>PS: All that being said, there are sometimes when I drift into a melancholy mood and think they could probably load us into boxcars by the thousands and no one would give a shit.
I would.
But would you do anything about it? If our government really did that would you fight them, or continue to make excuses for them.
God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
Instead of responding in kind, FD4UMers have used the bozo filter in large numbers to avoid reading any of those posts, have thrown out mountains of adhominems and directed rivers of vulgar language at that poster, have begged that poster to leave, have called for his banning, and are now suggesting without any proof whatsoever that he's part of some zionist conspiracy.
After wiping the tears from my eyes, and regaining my composure, all I can say is...
YOU ARE A KOOK!
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
And it seems more than unusual that you'd be banned from LP for something so insignificent - what was it? criticizing GWB for his open borders policy or something minor like that? Is that all it took to push the LP mod over the edge? It seems so strange. Can you explain it better to me. And no I don't think anyone here believes you are part of a "Zionist conspiracy" - your words, not ours - but the timing of your departure and odd things coming up at LP - well it's all unsettling.
Ooser got banned because he was badgering Goldi on a amnesty bill thread to ban Uncle Bill, Scivener, TwentyTwelve, and any other "kooks" he could think of, including me.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
I read part of that LP exchange, and came across this post by BeAChooser to you:
137. To: AGAviator, ALL (#135)
What's important, Looser, is not who my friends are
I suspect who YOUR friends are is very important.
BeAChooser posted on 2006-12-07 00:29:28 ET Reply Trace
BeAChooser, what is that suppose to mean?
Also I find it curious how the citizens of Iraq were armed to the teeth, I do remember through the years seeing photos of men, ordinary men, holding and shooting machine guns. There seemed to be no gun control laws like we have in America, and I remembered reading that in Iraq having lots of guns was part of the culture.
Reading BAC's post #134 on that thread got me to thinking about that, how there were so many guns and ammunition all over Iraq.
It's just unusual in a dictatorship situation for the citizenry to have so many weapons, so many guns of all kinds available to them.
Isn't it amazing that so many FD4UM members are anxious to get rid of a poster who has been courteous, who hasn't labeled anyone or called anyone a name while at FD4UM, who hasn't been the least bit vulgar, who has posted hundreds of sourced facts about topics that should be of interest, and who has been willing to debate their accuracy whenever challenged?
THe reaction to you is not about whether you call somebody names.
It's about your obnoxious, thread-spamming, and frequently irrelevant remarks which you repeat over, and over, and over, and over - combined with a shameless acceptance of any claims the Bush Administation has to make explaining its actions.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
Ooser got banned because he was badgering Goldi on a amnesty bill thread to ban Uncle Bill, Scivener, TwentyTwelve, and any other "kooks" he could think of, including me.
It's about your obnoxious, thread-spamming, and frequently irrelevant remarks which you repeat over, and over, and over, and over - combined with a shameless acceptance of any claims the Bush Administation has to make explaining its actions.
Your use of that chart on this thread is a perfect example of your thread- spamming.
Carry on, fuckwit.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
"You clearly made the claim that the rise in government expenditures was responsible for the tremendous increase in GDP (to the tune of 2 billion a year) by the end of the five years since 9/11."
Yet, intelligent people [!!] still knew what I meant. Still could see my point. They could tell I just transposed two similar words in the rush to respond to you
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
No, unlike you I immediately acknowledged that I incorrectly wrote billion instead of trillion the moment it was pointed out. And of course, everyone on those threads knew what I had meant to say anyway. You, however, INSISTED that chart showed a 16 percent drop in housing prices despite multiple attempts to point out "the obvious".
"American soldiers are going to die whether we are in Iraq or not. That's one of the facts the American public needs to face.."
True.
a country this size can't sustain 9 KIA a day in a global war."
You really think this true? Well how in the world did we manage to stay in a war that cost America 300,000 dead and missing over a 3 year period?
a. "American soldiers are going to die whether we are in Iraq or not. That's one of the facts the American public needs to face.."
b. Well how in the world did we manage to stay in a war that cost America 300,000 dead and missing over a 3 year period?
a. Uh...why would our soldiers die whether we were in Iraq or not?
You mean our soldiers would die eventually at old age around 75-80 like every one else? Or do you mean if our soldiers were not in Iraq your heroes, the war monger DC elites, would just have them fighting another useless war for lies elsewhere?
b. Uh...hello, BAC, anyone home?
We fought in World War II along with 2 other allies, who suffered incredible losses, against nations with standing armies in uniforms that had declared war on us.
Iraq did not declare war on us. Why should we be wanting to sustain a loss of 9 KIA a day for a nebulus war with no end in sight that we started for lies?
Not to mention the fact that we are the laughing stock of the universe for having caused this war and our so called "coalition of the willing" ( say what?) pals are dropping off like flies because their own public are so pissed off at being a part of this Iraq invasion for Israel/Halliburton/Exxon charade.
We fought in World War II along against nations with standing armies in uniforms that had declared war on us. Iraq did not declare war on us.
And within 6 months both the Battle of the Coral Sea and the Battle of Midway were won, and within 18 months the person responsible for Pearl Harbor - Admiral Yamamoto - was located and killed.
And all because the American media supported that war. Yup.
BWAHAHAHA!
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
Uh...why would our soldiers die whether we were in Iraq or not?
Thousands and thousands of islamo-fanatics have gone to Iraq ... and died there. If they weren't attacking us there, they'd likely be causing trouble elsewhere.
BEFORE we invaded Iraq, al-Zarqawi, operating out of Iraq, was plotting attacks against US allies and Americans. One such plot hoped to kill every American in the US embassy in Amman. What would you have done about him and his associates, given that Saddam was showing no willingness to stop him?
Why should we be wanting to sustain a loss of 9 KIA a day
The why is not the issue here. AGAviator (and you?) object to the notion that this country could sustain 9 KIA a day for years and years? Why in my opinion, that is just as silly as AGAviator claiming housing prices went down 16% in that graph I posted.
The why is not the issue here. AGAviator (and you?) object to the notion that this country could sustain 9 KIA a day for years and years?
We could sustain a lot more than that, but we can't sustain the monetary costs per day for this war. The Federal Reserve can print all the money it wants too, but there are consequences for doing so.
God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
And within 6 months both the Battle of the Coral Sea and the Battle of Midway were won, and within 18 months the person responsible for Pearl Harbor - Admiral Yamamoto - was located and killed.
And how many Americans had died in the first 6 months? With any end for the war still years away? How much of Americas resources were being spent on the war with any end years away? And fighting over what? Some tropical islands with no resources whatsoever? And if the American media reported those deaths, those expenses, and the costly progress of the war the same as they've reported Iraq, do you honestly think American morale would have been as high as it was? Or would America have been talking about suing for peace to end the nightmare?
BEFORE we invaded Iraq, al-Zarqawi, operating out of Iraq, was plotting attacks against US allies and Americans. One such plot hoped to kill every American in the US embassy in Amman. What would you have done about him and his associates, given that Saddam was showing no willingness to stop him?
The why is not the issue here. AGAviator (and you?) object to the notion that this country could sustain 9 KIA a day for years and years?
Let me be clearer to you - why SHOULD we sustain 9 KIA American citizens for a war for lies? Your Zarqawi tale ( even if it were true) did not give us authority to invade Iraq, which was no threat to our nation.
We invaded Iraq for Israel mainly and the defense industry and oil industry were served as secondary interests.
Our American citizen soldiers should not be fighting and dying at 1 KIA per day never mind 9 KIA per day for the national security interests of a foreign nation, which does not even want to sign a mutual defense treaty with America.
BeAChooser, do you feel our American soldiers should die for Israel's national security interests?
"IRAQ:War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser"
...Zelikow's casting of the attack on Iraq as one launched to protect Israel appears at odds with the public position of President George W. Bush and his administration, which has never overtly drawn the link between its war on the regime of former president Hussein and its concern for Israel's security.
The administration has instead insisted it launched the war to liberate the Iraqi people, destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and to protect the United States.
Zelikow made his statements about the unstated threat during his tenure on a highly knowledgeable and well-connected body known as the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), which reports directly to the president.
He served on the board between 2001 and 2003.
Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel, Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.
And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell, said Zelikow...
Thousands and thousands of islamo-fanatics have gone to Iraq ... and died there.
Thousands and thousands of islamo-fanatics have been created by American support of Israel, invading Afghanistan and invading Iraq.
If they weren't attacking us there, they'd likely be causing trouble elsewhere.
They have every right to attack us there.
It's their land, not ours, you fucking nitwit.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
WW2 cost 130 percent of GDP. Even at AGAviator's two trillion, the Iraq war would only be a 5 to 10 percent of current GDP.
False.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
Did you read the thread in question, Diana? The answer lies within...
Yes I read that long thread, but that's a cryptic answer.
So what did you mean, first he said it's not important who his friends are, then you gave him that somewhat ominous answer and I wondered what you meant by that.
And when Scrapper2 said something about being taken away in a boxcar, and you said you would care, did you mean you'd care as in you'd be against it, that you would want no harm to come to her or did you mean you'd care in that you'd be all for it? Sometimes you're not real clear on those issues.
And if the American media reported those deaths, those expenses, and the costly progress of the war the same as they've reported Iraq, do you honestly think American morale would have been as high as it was?
You're living in a dream world.
Go read some newspapers from the time.
The fact is, within 6 months the US was on its way to winning because they had some political and military leadership who knew how to lead.
Oh yeah, and the President at the time was a Democrat!
ROTFLAMO!
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
why SHOULD we sustain 9 KIA American citizens for a war
Not the issue. AGAviator claimed we could NOT sustain such losses. 300,000 plus dead and missing in WW2 proves that isn't true.
Your Zarqawi tale ( even if it were true)
It is true. Didn't you pay any attention to the news? The terrorists were even convicted of the plot. One of those convicted was al-Zarqawi.
did not give us authority to invade Iraq, which was no threat to our nation.
Not the question. What would you have done about al-Zarqawi if he'd killed a few hundred or thousand Americans in such a plot (not to mention tens of thousands of Jordanians) given that Saddam wasn't doing anything to curtail his activities?
We invaded Iraq for Israel
Well, that's your opinion.
the defense industry and oil industry were served as secondary interests
Again, your opinion. Opinions are a dime a dozen. So are "advisors".
The fact is, within 6 months the US was on its way to winning because they had some political and military leadership who knew how to lead.
But at what cost? To win the war they spent over 300,000 American lives and a fantastic percentage of the GDP. Over what? A few islands? And a case can be made that we forced the Japanese into attacking us when we cutoff their access to oil. What right did we have to do that?
2 trillion divided by 10 trillion per year for 3 years
You're so full of yourself.
Only this year's GDP is "current."
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
The war was not won or lost because of the media or the Democrats.
In fact, the Democrats were the party in power.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
Again, your opinion. Opinions are a dime a dozen. So are "advisors".
a. Oh my, do I detect seething white hot anger in the ever so polite and civil, BeAChooser, because I used the name of Precious ( aka Israel) in vain? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Do you wuv Israel, BAC, so much that you believe American citizen-soldiers should fight and die in ME wars for Israel's benefit? Please answer my question.
b. As for Philip Zelikow's position and stature...
I got news for you, Boozer, Philip Zelikow is not just a run of the mill "advisor" as you would like the lurkers/visitors to think.
Professor Philip Zelikow was appointed by the President of the U-S-A ( the highest elected officer in the land)to be the Executive Director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on America in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission. Professor Zelikow is a big shot. Get it, BAC? Also, Professor Zelikow is Jewish American so don't try to claim he is a KKK white supremacist or an anti-semite ( favorite character assassination techniques).
"...Zelikow made his statements about "the unstated threat" during his tenure on a highly knowledgeable and well-connected body known as the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), which reports directly to the president. He served on the board between 2001 and 2003.
"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat [is] and actually has been since 1990 - it's the threat against Israel," Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on September 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of September 11 and the future of the war on al-Qaeda.
"And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell," said Zelikow..."
c. Also, the highly esteemed Professors Mearsheimer and Walt, from U of Chicago and Harvard, just published a research study in March 2006 that confirmed what Zelikow said - the Iraq invasion was mainly for Israel's benefit.
Israel refuses to sign a mutual defense treaty with America. It would appear that Israel can't be bothered to fight and die for America. Nice.
Ummm, not to BOT a brain they don't. The very act of defending your nation, or even seeking to defend your nation with modern weapons is "aggression" to the BOT brain and the DCniks. Indeed- defending your country from American invasion (which, BOTS believe "the people" of these weakling countries actually want to be invaded and bombed by America as we are that good and bring utopia where ever we go) is itself seen as "terrorism" and therefore illegitimate. Any resistance to American military aggression is evil to the BOT. The enemy subhuman and thus deserving of no rights or quarter- meat to be murdered or tortured to death at a whim. To the BOT- America, by definition cannot wage an immoral or evil war because BOTS believe (and this is why they are not conservatives at all but radicals and fascists) that America is destined to bring the world into a "New Age"- some believe chosen by GOD to do this while others just think of it in Proto Marxian terms as "inevitiable". They see history as drawing to a climatic close- and America is leading the charge of progress into a bright perfect peaceful future. Thus- any who opposse America in this most noble of God or Providence given quests for the betterment of Humanity are "Evil".
Thus to even raise arms in defense of your nation, your city, your town, even your family . . . from American arms is the act of vermin scum who must be exterminated from the face of the earth. BOTS don't view Moslems as enemies per se- but as literally vermin to be wiped away if they don't submit.
Their precious DC can literally do no wrong (oh- they sometimes bitch about taxes but they don't mean it). Oh sure- there are "mistakes" and "war is hell" stuff. But they are never ever "Systematic" and never ever does America "mean" to kill a whole lot of people. It is just that the terrorists make them do it . . .
Report finds no Saddam, Zarqawi ties By Rowan Scarborough and Charles Hurt THE WASHINGTON TIMES September 9, 2006
Post-Iraq invasion intelligence concluded there was no relationship between Saddam Hussein's regime and the al Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi, casting doubt on President Bush's statements as recently as last month that there was a link.
A report released yesterday by the Senate intelligence committee said the CIA concluded last year that the Zarqawi-Saddam nexus did not exist.
"Postwar information indicates that Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and that the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi," the bipartisan report concluded. It focused on comparing prewar intelligence on Iraq with post-invasion information from seized documents and interrogations of Saddam regime figures.
But of course, let's not allow the America-hating media to publish these facts, or the America-hating CIA to investgate them, or a bipartisan America-hating Congressional panel to come to this conclusion.
After all, that would be bad for morale.
Now I can pretty much guarantee that Looser is going to come up with some lame brain, off-the-wall excuse about why this story is not true and why his Weekly Standard botshill drivel should be taken as Gospel.
And that is why (s)he has no respect on this site.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser
#90. To: Scrapper2, Burkeman1, BeAChooser (#71)(Edited)
KANSAS CITY, Missouri
(Reuters) - Tomas Young was 22 years old and working as a waiter for a Kansas City-area eatery in 2001 when attacks on the World Trade Center spurred him to a patriotic act.
"I wanted to go to Afghanistan to exact some retribution on the people who attacked us," said Young, who joined the Army days after the September 11 attacks.
Today, the 27-year-old is paralyzed from the chest down because of a bullet he took in Iraq, not Afghanistan. He spends his days trying to convince others not to enlist -- part of a growing movement of Iraq war veterans, military family members and others determined to stop a war they see as ill-advised and possibly illegal.
Never mind that someone - unlike Looser - joined the Army, and took a bullet which paralyzed him in a country which never attacked us and posed no threat to us.
He's been brainwashed by the media, according to the 'bots.
Just because [Christine] exercises this type of tolerance for the absurd (ie. you)...doesn't mean she has to smell your droppings up close. - Scrapper2 to BeALooser