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Title: U.S. Reports Five Soldiers Killed In Iraq
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Published: Mar 12, 2007
Author: UPI
Post Date: 2007-03-12 13:26:55 by Brian S
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Mar 12, 2007 The U.S. military said Monday five of its soldiers were killed and two others were injured in separate incidents in Iraq on Sunday. Three of the deaths were not combat-related, Kuwait's KUNA news agency reported. In Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on the motorcade of Iraq's minister of agriculture, killing one of his bodyguards and injuring another, CNN reported. Security officials said 21 bodies had been found scattered around the city on Sunday, most of which showed signs of torture. Sectarian fighting between Shiite and Sunni Muslims has plagued the Iraqi government's attempts at reconstruction for more than 14 months. About 60 miles from Baghdad in Muqdadiya, a New York Times correspondent said sectarian fighting turned to arson during the weekend. As many as 100 homes and other buildings were torched, the report said. Victims from both sects blamed Sunni extremists who have taken over several towns in the area and are demanding protection money, the report said. (c) UPI
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#41. To: BeAChooser, robin, Scrapper2, Arator (#38)
You don't have to be a health physicist to know the properties of uranium or depleted uranium. That is a fact. Many chemists, physicists, biologists, phyicians and others have a very good understanding of the effects of all forms of uranium on living organisms.
They are the experts when it comes to the effects of radiation and radioactive materials on people. Just like structural engineers are the experts when it comes to collapse of buildings. Which is why it's hard to believe a conspiracy theory where so few (if any) of the many health physicists (or structural engineers) in the world are supporters. Can you name any, Diana?
I would not trust sources on DU that are paid for by the military or anything connected to it. I would look for objective established sources which are easy enough to find in various reference books.
Again, health physicists are not the only ones who know about the properties of uranium. Have you ever heard of a field called industrial hygeine? If I'm not mistaken, health physicist is a relatively new field (or term), and the properties of uranium have been known for a long, long time. Properties of atoms and even many molecules have been esbablished long ago. As I said there are many reference books where such information can be found.
So are many PhD physicists, believe me.
BeAChooser: Your proof for this? Because health physicists ... who are the experts in such matters ... say it isn't. In fact, I couldn't find one who says it does. Seems there's rumbling coming out of Europe, too... Uranium 'killing Italian troops' By Christian Fraser BBC News, Rome 10 January 2007, 09:59 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ europe/6247401.stm Italian soldiers are still dying following exposure to depleted uranium in the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo, their relatives say. Troops who served during the wars in the 1990s believe they have contracted cancer and other serious illnesses from extended exposure to the munitions. The US says it fired around 40,000 depleted uranium rounds during the Bosnian and Kosovo conflicts. A pressure group says 50 veterans have died and another 200 are seriously ill. Depleted uranium is used on the tips of bullets and shells. Because of its density it can pierce the armour plating on tanks. But when it explodes it often leaves a footprint of chemically poisonous and radioactive dust. The Italians who served in Bosnia and Kosovo were involved in the clear-up of battlefields and came into close contact with exploded ammunition. Children with disabilities The association representing the soldiers, known as Anavafaf, says many of those who have died or are ill have contracted cancer. In 2002 the Italian defence ministry published a report compiled by independent scientists which found a higher than average number of servicemen were suffering from cancer. It said there was an excessive number of Hodgkin's disease victims among Italian Balkan peacekeepers. A number of children fathered by the soldiers have been born with disabilities. There are similar reports from soldiers' associations in Belgium, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands. Both the US and Britain acknowledge the dust from depleted uranium can be dangerous if inhaled but they insist the danger is short-lived and localised.
Again, Diana, don't you find it curious that NONE of the folks most qualified in the effects of radiation and radioactive materials on humans have joined the anti-DU bandwagon? But just for fun, why don't you give me the name of a PhD physicist who has and a link to what he/she claims. The ball is in your court if you think you actually have an expert.
BeAChooser: Your proof for this? Because health physicists ... who are the experts in such matters ... say it isn't. In fact, I couldn't find one who says it does. I think you'll see various "experts" named in Point #13 including a Japanese radiation expert, Professor Katsuma Yagasaki, ( and who should know better the health risks and dangers of radiation than Japanese researchers?) as well as a noted health expert on DU formerly employed by the US Government to do research on this very subject and who is currently doing similar research for the Canadian government, Dr. Durakovik. BAC, be careful what you wish for because sometimes you get your wish - stuffed into your ill-informed face. Tah tah - learn what the experts say about DU and also read how the judge ruled and his recommendations regarding the US gov'ts use of DU. http://www.ratical.or g/radiation/DU/ICTforAatT.html INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL TRIBUNAL FOR AFGHANISTAN AT TOKYO Final Written Opinion of Judge Niloufer Bhagwat 10 March 2004 THE PEOPLE Versus GEORGE WALKER BUSH President of the United States of America INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL TRIBUNAL FOR AFGHANISTAN AT TOKYO The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes: waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction, against the people of Afghanistan, with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States, UK and other forces deployed, and on countries in and around the region. ******************************************************************************* 13. Use of genocidal and omnicidal radioactive Depleted Uranium weapons in Afghanistan, a war crime, genocide, and omnicide The evidence presented before the Tribunal, which has shocked the conscience of the judges of this Tribunal, is the thoroughly researched evidence on the genocidal and omnicidal nature of Depleted Uranium weapons used in Afghanistan by United States military forces, with the Defendant as their Commander-in- Chief by Leuren Moret, President, Scientists For Indigenous People, City of Berkeley Environmental Commissioner; Professor Katsuma Yagasaki of the Faculty of Science of the Ryukyus University, Okinawa; and of Major Doug Rokke, Professor of Physics and Geosciences of Jacksonville State University, former Director of DU weapons project of the US army from 1994-1995 in charge of the cleaning up of DU in Iraq, himself affected by DU. These three witnesses made available to this Tribunal, details of their investigations, scientific documents, memorandum from the US army sources and the Manhattan project; statistical studies of people of Iraq, children and others exposed to DU ordnance after the first Gulf War, including from the Gulf War Veterans Association, on the nature of this weapon; which prove beyond doubt that the Defendant as Commander-in-Chief of US forces used DU weapons in Afghanistan, in the manner that Zyklon-B was used across Europe; as a weapon of mass murder in Afghanistan calculated to destroy of all living species exposed. Professor Albrecht Schott, Scientist, World Depleted Uranium Centre, Berlin in an address titled "Consequences of the Military and Civil Use of Depleted Uranium (DU)", at the public symposium on `American Policy and its Consequences', has described Depleted Uranium as "A Weapon Against This Planet." Prosecution Document E-130; this leads logically to the word "Omnicide" used by witness Leuren Moret, among other scientists while describing the effect of this weapon system; as going beyond the "silent genocide" it has inflicted on the Afghan and Iraqi people. Rosalie Bertell author of the classic book No Immediate Danger has given the following comprehensive meaning of the term Omnicide as: "The concept of species annihilation means a relatively swift, deliberately induced end to history, culture, science, biological reproduction and memory. It is the ultimate human rejection of the gift of life, an act which requires a new word to describe it as omnicide." The use of DU ordnance in Afghanistan by the United States military forces has not been denied. The US military forces with the Defendant as Commander-in- Chief, with full knowledge of the nature and impact of the weapons system, known to the Manhattan project as early as 1943; used DU ordnance by way of attack aircraft, AH-64 helicopter gun ships, advanced cruise missiles, CALCM among others. PGU-14 API uranium piercing munitions fired by Vulcan Canon installed on A10 Gun ships, and AH-64 Apache gun ships apart from the Bunker buster bombs (DU weapons) which were dropped from F-16 attack planes. It is authoritatively estimated by independent scientific investigations and reports on record before this Tribunal, and the prosecution conservatively estimates, that at the very minimum 500-600 tonnes of DU ordnance were used throughout Afghanistan including at Tora Bora, Shaikoot, Paktia, Mazare-e- Sharif, Jalalabad, Nangarhar, Khost, Kundoz and Kabul around Bagram from October 2001 after the bombings commenced on 7th October 2001, whereas Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki of the Afghanistan Recovery Fund refers to not less than 1000 tonnes of Depleted and undepleted Uranium being used. On 16th January 2002, the Secretary for Defense, Mr.Rumsfield in a briefing confirmed that "high levels of radioactive count" had been confirmed due to the result of "Depleted Uranium shells on some warheads" -- Prosecution Document Ex. E-122. Mr Philip Coyle Senior Adviser of the Centre for Defense Information in Washington DC, admitted that DU weapons had been used in Afghanistan. The documented reports of Marc Herold and Dai Williams, Prosecution documents at Ex. E-118 and E-119; the Survey of the Uranium Medical Research Centre, Washington DC; Prosecution Document E-120; the reports of Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki, Afghan Recovery Fund, referred to above, Prosecution Documents Ex. E- 137 and E-138, among other documents refer in detail to the widespread use and effects of DU weapons on the people in Afghanistan inflicting slow and painful death, termed the "silent genocide" affecting the unborn, altering irreversibly the genetic code of all those exposed. Testimonies of fathers and mother, made to the field teams of the Uranium Medical Research Centre (UMRC) are horrifying: "What else do the Americans want? They killed us, they turned our new borns into horrific deformations, and they turned our farm lands into grave yards and destroyed our homes. On top of all this their planes fly over and spray us with bullets . . . we have nothing to lose . . . we will fight them the same way we fought the previous invaders . . . (Sayed Gharib at Tora Bora). Ms Leuren Moret gave vital evidence of United States military policy, on the use of DU weapons, tracing the history of its creation and the politics of its use -- Prosecution document Ex. E 156. Ms Leuren Moret deposed that after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, an international outcry and taboo against nuclear weapons, prevented the further use of nuclear and radioactive weapons; this policy was abandoned in 1991; a decision was made by the Strategic Command in the USA to blur the distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons by introducing DU into the battlefield; this witness has aptly described DU as the "trojan horse" of nuclear weapons with similar effects. The witness maintained that it was the cost factor which made DU weaponry an attractive weapon for the arms industry though on the other hand the cost to humanity was an unacceptable cost; deposing further, that DU being a by-product from nuclear weapons and nuclear power industries, a "radioactive" hazard, a liability to the Department of Energy, millions of tons were passed on to the "military-industrial" complex for the manufacture of weapons. By selling depleted uranium weapons to more than 20 countries, the DOE has made a profitable business for the arms industry. The documents produced by this witness, handed over to her by Major Doug Rokke prove conclusively that the United States government and military were aware from 1943, of the genocidal and omnicidal nature of DU weapons. A memorandum dated 30th October 1943, received by General Groves in charge of the Manhattan Project (nuclear weapons project) from three physicians working under him, Prosecution document Ex. E 126, recommends that radiological materials be developed for use as a military weapon on the battlefield. It was a blueprint for depleted uranium weaponry. The aforesaid memorandum describing the property of DU weapons describes that "the material would be ground into particles of microscopic size and would be distributed, in the form of dust or smoke . . . by ground-fired projectiles, land vehicles, airplanes, or aerial bombs . . . inhaled by personnel. . . . It has been estimated that one millionth of a gram accumulating in a person's body would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such casualty . . . Areas so contaminated by radioactive dust and smokes, would be dangerous as long as a high enough concentration of material could be maintained. . . . Reservoirs or wells would be contaminated or food poisoned . . . Particles larger than 1 µ [micron] in size are likely to be deposited in nose, trachea or bronchi . . . Particles smaller than 1 µ [micron] are more likely to be deposited in alveoli where they will either remain indefinitely or be absorbed into the lymphatics or blood. . . . Beta and gamma emitting fission products may be absorbed from the lungs or G-I tract into the blood and so distributed throughout the body." In the second document produced, memorandum dated 1st March 1991 addressed by Lt.Col. M.V. Zeiman (after the first Gulf War of 1991) to Major Larsson of the Studies and Analysis Branch on the subject of "The Effectiveness of Depleted Uranium Penetrators," Prosecution Document Ex. E-127, emphasizes that "the impact of DU penetrators were very effective against Iraqi armour . . . there has been and continues to be concern regarding the impact of DU on the environment . . . DU rounds may become politically unacceptable . . . and thus be deleted from the arsenal . . . we should ensure their future existence . . . I believe we should keep this in mind when after action reports are written". The interpretation of this memorandum, by the witness Leuren Moret, that this memorandum in fact directed, that after action reports should be falsified, to conceal the real effects of DU weaponry, is correct. The third significant document produced by this witness, is the communication dated 19th August 1993, Prosecution Document Ex. E-128, by Brigadier Eric K. Shinskei, at the relevant time Brigadier General, GS, Director of Training forwarded to the Assistant Secretary of the Army (Installation, logistics and Environment) on the subject, Review of Draft Report to Congress -- Health and Environmental Consequences of Depleted Uranium in the US Army. This communication states that after Operation Desert Storm (the first Gulf War) the GAO examined the Army's ability to contend with Depleted Uranium contamination. The GAO published a draft memorandum which was accepted by the Department of Defence on 15th January 1993 which was a tasking memorandum directing the Secretary of Army to - Provide adequate training for personnel who may come in contact with DU contaminated equipment; Complete medical testing of all personnel exposed to DU contamination. Develop a plan for DU contaminated equipment recovery during future operation. Leuren Moret, concluding her testimony deposed, that from the properties of DU weapons its radioactive particles travelling through air, water and food sources it is not only countries where these weapons are used which are in the affected zone, but all countries within a radius of approximately 1000 miles of the use of DU weapons due to the wind factor and atmospheric dusts; a map was displayed indicating the countries in the DU affected zone from the use of the weaponry in Afghanistan and Iraq, placed on record of this Tribunal which indicates that Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China and India are among the countries affected by the use of DU weaponry in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Turkey, Iran are among the countries affected by the use DU weapons in Iraq during both the military attacks against Iraq. Major Doug Rokke Director of the DU project from 1994 to 1995, himself a victim of the DU weapons, clean up operations after the first Gulf War was interviewed at the Hamburg Conference on DU in October 2003, by Prosecutor Kazuko Ito; the video of interview is Prosecution document Ex. E 124; amicus curiae who has seen the interview has raised no objections to its production. Major Doug Rokke commenting on his attempts to focus on the risks of DU weapons while in charge of the DU program of the US army stated: "military officers from the UK, Australia, Canada and Germany participated in the project to study the risk of DU weapons and I was directed by the Army to direct the team . . . we submitted recommendations which were completely ignored . . . the US army has not taken any measures to protect soldiers. Although we made a proposal that clean-up is essential, complete clean up is impossible. Therefore we proposed not to use DU weapons any longer. However our proposal was ignored by the upper level of the government and completely ignored by NATO, UK, Australia and others." Referring to the videos which had been made for the Pentagon about DU weapons on risks, clean up measures, method of measuring radioactivity etc. for the US army, the witness emphasized that these videos were never used and the U.S. decided to seal this DU project because the results revealed that DU weapons were extremely risky and its use would be prohibited by international pressure. The United States government the witness stated, continues to use these weapons because they are inexpensive and effective, and also because it is a milestone to make fourth generation nuclear ordnance acceptable by advancing the proposition that contamination of fourth generation nuclear weapons would not exceed the levels of radioactive contamination of DU. The evidence of Major Doug Rokke, has to be assessed in the light of the report on Gulf War Veterans. By now half of all the 697,000 soldiers involved in the 1991 Gulf War have reported serious illnesses. According to the Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% are chronically ill. Children born to soldiers of coalition personnel after the Gulf War were born deformed or with serious birth defects; including those who had healthy babies earlier. Recently a soldier in the UK has succeeded after several years of struggle, in obtaining a judgement which recognizes the DU weapons had caused serious physiological effects. The third witness before the Tribunal on the issue of the use of DU weapons as a War Crime, Professor Katsuma Yagasaki, Prosecution documents Ex. E 158 and 159 presented oral and documentary evidence clarifying that the term "depleted" seems to convey the incorrect impression that DU is uranium that does not contain radioactivity any more, which is not the case as DU ammunition causes radioactive contamination and is no less serious than nuclear weapons. Even one DU particle has adequate capacity to cause cancer and once absorbed into the body can transform genes, cells and affect all the organs and lymph nodes. Professor Yagasaki deposed that the total amount of 235U dispersed in Hiroshima was 61.2 kilograms; since it was estimated that about 500-600 tons of DU weapons were used in Afghanistan, DU pollution in Afghanistan is 8,170 tons more than in Hiroshima; that the adverse effects of radioactive contamination in Afghanistan and the internal radiation risk is beyond our imagination, as the alpha ray from the DU damages the DNA irreversibly and that the entire concept of low radiation risk was misleading with respect to internal exposure, as DU is absorbed by inhalation and internal contamination. Professor Yagasaki in the paper on record before this Tribunal presented at the `World Uranium Conference Weapons Conference' in October 2003 calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of DU used in Iraq is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs. Professor Yagasaki affirmed that DU shells are atrocious radioactive weapons which should not be used and that DU has a long life of 4.5 billion years remaining in the soil, air, water in all affected zones. The Tribunal on an issue vital for this trial had to deal with the ambiguity of the WHO report; this report Prosecution document Ex. E-123 was placed before Professor Yagasaki by the Tribunal, to elicit his scientific response to the document, since it was relied on by amicus curiae to defend the use of this weapons system by the Defendant stating that the WHO report did not refer to such horrific consequences; the WHO report was found to be vague and evasive, partly admitting, partly in denial, not in conformity with the overwhelming and authoritative evidence from 1943, deposed to by the witnesses; moreover the WHO report was not signed; no scientist or panel of scientists had authenticated this report. In his paper on `Undiagnosed Illnesses and Radioactive Warfare' Dr.Asaf Durakovik who first identified the "Gulf War Syndrome" caused by exposure to DU ordnance, Prosecution document Ex. E-120; has on the basis of investigations carried out on Gulf War Veterans in Canada and elsewhere reported that DU accumulates in the bone, kidney, reproductive systems, brain and lung, with verified genotoxic, mutagenic and carcinogenic properties, as well as reproductive and teratogenic alterations even 10 years after inhalation exposure or receiving of shrapnel wounds; this contradicts the WHO report. Professor Yagasaki gave details to the Tribunal on the unscientific nature of the WHO report on material particulars, in particular on the inability of the report to analyze the properties of DU. "On reading the unsigned report of the WHO report on DU munitions, I find that while concealing the serious effects of the weapons system it attempts to take a safe and evasive position, in the eventuality of the report being faulted by the on the ground situation, by mentioning that": ". . . following conflict, levels of DU contamination in food and water may be detected in affected areas after a few years. This should be monitored . . . " ". . . where possible, clean up operations in impact zones should be undertaken, if there are substantial number of radioactive projectiles remaining and where qualified experts deem contaminated levels to be unacceptable . . ." The WHO is contradicted by its own scientist, Dr.Michael H. Repacholi of the WHO who is quoted by Dr. Mohammed Daud Miraki in his report "Silent Genocide from America" Prosecution document Ex. E-137, as having reported that: "DU is released from fired weapons in the form of small particles which may be inhaled, ingested or remain in the environment. . . . Children . . . may be considered to be more at risk of DU exposure . . . within a war zone through contaminated food and water . . ." A recent BBC Television report of February 2004 quoted Dr. Keith Baverstock, Senior Radiation Specialist to the WHO, who stated that he was the co-author of a WHO Report 2001, on the affects of DU on health which was classified as "Secret" by WHO to prevent its release to the public. On October 20, 2002 Dr Asaf Durakovik, Professor of nuclear medicine at George Town University whose report has been submitted to the Tribunal reported preliminary test results on sick civilians from Southern Afghanistan at Qatar. "Specimens contained 100 times the normal level of uranium concentration. Curiously this was undepleted and not depleted uranium . . . Dr Asaf said in an interview to Al-Jazeera television in November 2002, that the US forces had used more DU in Afghanistan than they had in the first Gulf War and the Balkans." "A large number of health specialists in Afghanistan . . . regard the increasing birth defects to be the result of the dropping DU munitions on Afghanistan . . . children were born with no eyes, no limbs, tumours protruding from their mouth . . . with deformed genitalia" It was noticed that soldiers, birds in large numbers died after bleeding from their mouths, noses and ears; many people died without any physical injuries after having developed unusual symptoms. Marc. W Herold of the University of New Hampshire in the detailed study titled "Uranium Wars: The Pentagon Steps Up Its Use of Radioactive Munitions" has reported that - "in the Afghan campaign, a new generation of uranium weapons is suspected to have been used extensively for targeting underground facilities and caves . . . Intensely bombed hard target zones . . . may now be heavily contaminated with DU oxide . . . During the course of the operation, US planes conducted 950 sorties and dropped more than 3,450 bombs." "risks to US and Afghan troops being sent out to check out bombed cave systems are horrendous . . . even more serious are . . . in densely populated target zones like Kabul" "Given the heavy US bombing of the mountains of eastern Afghanistan, it seems probable that large amounts of DU have found their way into the rivers of the Hindu basin whose source is precisely in the mountains of the Hindu Kush. After heading east from Kabul . . . the Kabul river crosses into Pakistan and feeds the Indus river. In arid areas like Southern Afghanistan, most of the uranium oxide would remain as surface dust where it is easily dispersed by wind." "In mid-December, the Pentagon announced the development of another new, high- tech bunker busting bomb in Afghanistan. The laser-guided bomb is called a `thermobaric' weapon, and uses a high temperature, high pressure explosive that destroys underground caves and tunnels." ****************************************************************************** 17. Verdict I find the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces guilty - Under Article 2 of the Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan and under International Criminal Law, for waging a war of aggression against Afghanistan and the Afghan people; Under Article 3, Part I, clause (a), (b), (c), (d), (f), (g) and Article 3, Part II, clause (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f), (h), (i), (k), (l), (n), (o), (p), (q) of the Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan, under International Criminal Law and International Humanitarian Law, in respect of War Crimes committed against the people of Afghanistan by the use of weapons prohibited by the laws of warfare causing death and destruction to the Afghan people, maiming men, women and children; Under Article 4, clause (a), (b), (d), (e), (f), (h) and (i) of the Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal and International Humanitarian Law, for Crimes Against Humanity committed against the people of Afghanistan, resulting in inhumane acts affecting large sections of the population cause by the military invasion, bombing, and lack of humanitarian relief; Under Article 3, Part I, clause (a), (b), (c), (f), (g) and Article 3, Part II clause (f), (k), (p), and (q) of the Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan, under International Criminal Law and the Hague Convention and Geneva Convention (III) of 1949 in respect of the torture and killings of Talban and other prisoners of war who had surrendered and their torture and inhumane conditions of detention and deportation of innocent civilians; In respect of the transport of prisoners in sealed Containers and their death due to suffocation and filing of rifle shots at the Container for creating holes for ventilation with the prisoners inside and for conditions at Sheberghan prison; the Defendant is entitled to benefit of doubt at this trial however the issues are left open for trial, before any other court/Tribunal as the evidence before the Tribunal is not conclusive on the involvement of United States forces; Under Article 3, Part I (c) and (g); Article 3 Part 2 (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (h), (i), (l) and Article 4 (b), (l) of (n), (p), (q) of the ICTA in respect of the serious humanitarian situation resulting from the refugee exodus in Afghanistan due to the bombing of civilian population and civilian infrastructure in a country already affected by serious famine resulting in mass exodus of people and death from bombing, hunger, displacement, disease and absence of humanitarian relief; Under Article 3, Part II, clause (o), (p) and under Article 4 clause (a), (b) and (l) of the statute of the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan, and under International Criminal Law and International Humanitarian Law; in respect of the DU weapons used on the people of Afghanistan to exterminate the population and for the crime of "Omnicide" the extermination of life, contamination of air, water and food resources and the irreversible alteration of the genetic code of all living organisms including plant life as a direct consequence of the use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan affecting countries in the entire region; Under Article 3, Part II, clause (o), (p) and under Article 4 (a) and (i) of the Statute of the International Tribunal for Afghanistan, under International Criminal Law, for exposing soldiers and other personnel of the United States, UK and other soldiers of coalition forces to radioactive contamination by the use of DU weapons, hazarding their lives, their physiology, and that of their future progeny by irreversible alteration of the genetic code. 18. Direction The Defendant is a convicted war criminal consequently unfit to hold public office; citizens, soldiers and all civil personnel of the United States would be constitutionally and otherwise justified in withdrawing all co-operation from the Defendant and his government and in declining to obey illegal orders of the Defendant and his administration including military orders threatening other nations or the people of the United States on the basis of the Nuremberg Principle, that illegal orders of Superior must not be obeyed. 19. Recommendations Immediate cessation of the use of Depleted Uranium Munitions -- Moratorium on production, stockpiling and manufacture. It has been conclusively proved that DU Weapons are Radioactive, Omnicidal nuclear weapons (the by product of the uranium enrichment process of manufacture of nuclear weapons and nuclear fuel) used as weapons of "silent genocide" in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Balkans and destructive of all life on earth irreversibly altering the genetic code of all exposed. The manufacture, stockpiling and use of such weapons is strictly prohibited by existing Conventions of International Humanitarian Law and must cease immediately. Corporations producing these weapons, heads of State, heads and personnel of Defense departments, military officers and others involved in decisions for its use, are liable to be criminally prosecuted before the International Criminal Court, or within national legal systems, and/or face suits for compensation.
How about that well-known expert on the effects of radiation on humans, Marie Curie? Eh, BeACurie?
http://www.aiha.org/Content/aiha.htm Wow! They sure seem concerned about DU. NOT. Do you actually have anything from the American Industrial Hygiene Association saying that DU is the threat you and the folks here at 4um (like robin) want everyone to believe? Anything? Are any of the folks being named as experts members of AIHA? Do any of them have a degree in it? The ball is in your court, Diana. http://hps.org/ Founded 1956. Try again.
Any Italian health physicists step forward? Or are their experts pretty much your *experts*?
Another "neo" something or other? Why have I grown cynical of that prefix?
If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost
Hey don't shoot the messenger, BAC. I'm merely bringing to your weeklystandardnewsmax eyes some new food for thought via the BBC. How did "my experts" even get into play with regards to the BBC article I posted to your attention in message #46? Grow up. It's the Italian government that must think the report compiled by INDEPENDENT SCIENTISTS had merit or the Italian Defense Ministry would not have published the report, do you think, perhaps, is that a safe bet? Duh. "In 2002 the Italian defence ministry published a report compiled by independent scientists which found a higher than average number of servicemen were suffering from cancer. It said there was an excessive number of Hodgkin's disease victims among Italian Balkan peacekeepers. A number of children fathered by the soldiers have been born with disabilities."
I also note under point 13 this: Major Doug Rokke, Professor of Physics and Geosciences of Jacksonville State University, former Director of DU weapons project of the US army from 1994-1995 in charge of the cleaning up of DU in Iraq, himself affected by DU. Most of which is false or highly exaggerated, as I've pointed out previously. Given that, how accurate can this law suit be? About as accurate as the lawsuit filed on behalf of the janitor Rodriguez? But I tell you what ... Let's look at your Japanese radiation expert, Professor Katsuma Yagasaki. Here's what the lawsuit says "Professor Yagasaki deposed that the total amount of 235U dispersed in Hiroshima was 61.2 kilograms; since it was estimated that about 500-600 tons of DU weapons were used in Afghanistan, DU pollution in Afghanistan is 8,170 tons more than in Hiroshima; that the adverse effects of radioactive contamination in Afghanistan and the internal radiation risk is beyond our imagination". Beyond our wildest imagination? What science! It also states "Professor Yagasaki in the paper on record before this Tribunal presented at the `World Uranium Conference Weapons Conference' in October 2003 calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of DU used in Iraq is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs". 250,000! Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this. Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this? For the same reason that structural engineers have missed the *obvious* explosive demolition of the WTC towers? They are morons? Do those pushing Yagasaki and his assertion mention that the weight of the material used in Iraq as compared to that used in the Japan nukes is not anywhere near as important as the the type of radiation each emits or the decay rates? Here's something from folks who probably do know a bit about DU.
Okay, okay I'm starting to see the problem... a. You don't like the testimony of Dr./Major Doug Rokke because you feel that his background and/or testimony are:"Most of which is false or highly exaggerated"... b. You disregard the views Dr. Sanjay Gupta, a neurologist and CNN health correspondent, because Dr. Gupta - what ??? - makes so much $ for his valued medical opinions and expertise??? c. You disregard the views of Dr/Colonel Asaf Durakovic, M.D. formerly employed by the US gov't to research DU health hazards because - why ???- hey, BAC, you should love Dr. Durakovic because he got in the face of your arch villain, Billy Jeff Clinton: An Army doctor specializing in nuclear medicine, Col. Asaf Durakovic, was in charge of conducting diagnostic tests of 24 DU-contaminated veterans. The records of the tests mysteriously disappeared, and Durakovic was "downsized" out of the army. Dr. Durakovic wrote to President Clinton in February, 1997: "The lost records, lost laboratory specimens and retaliations which are well-documented point to no less than conspiracy to terminate my efforts of proper management of Gulf War veterans." Dr. Durakovik is now studying DU health effects in Canada, a country that does not use DU weapons. d. You don't like Dr. Yagasaki's figures and/or testimony because they are "Beyond our wildest imagination? What science!" and Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this" and "Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this?" Uh...BAC...Dr. Yagasaki is a physicist and a well-respected nuclear radiation expert, from the University of the Ryukyus, Okinawahas. And yes, Dr. Yagasaki was invited to deliver a paper of public record at the World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg in October 2003 - you and your experts were no doubt invited to that conference as well, yes??? e.As a matter of fact Dr. Yagasaki's paper - whose findings your Botbunny self mocks and has great chuckles about - is referenced at another international conference, attended by physicians and hosted by physicians - Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, sponsored by Indian Doctors for Peace and Development physicians, held in New Delhi, India, February 29- March 02, 2004. BAC, you must admit at a int'l medical conference, with all those MD's present from around the globe, with their combined hundreds of years of medical science knowledge and training, you'd think one of them might have caught Dr. Yagasaki's lies, IF they were lies about DU, and shouted: "Beyond our wildest imagination? What science!" and Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this" and "Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this?" No MD at this int'l conference said any of those afore-mentioned bright light observations. Sorry, BAC, I guess no MD at the conference is AS STUPID AS THE PERSON WHO MADE THOSE COMMENTS. f. BAC, some other papers and books were also referenced at this New Delhi meeting of physicians, including Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki, Director Afghan DU Recovery Fund: Some cut and paste from the opening remarks: http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/Bhagwat-Silent-WMDs- DU29feb04.htm Beyond just the health consequences, DU munitions are in fact, weapons of Silent Mass Destruction in so far as the consequences of their usage are vast, indiscriminate and violate all Human Rights Conventions . Tora Bora ,Kabu , Paktia , Karises or underwater supply tunnels have been contaminated forever. All this has been documented in a comprehensive paper "Uranium wars:The Pentagon steps up its use of Radio-active Munitions," by Marc W. Herold. In another paper Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki, Director Afghan DU Recovery Fund, quotes George W Bush , "we will smoke them out," condemning the unborn, the living and the future generations of Afghans and the neighbouring people to a pre-determined, death sentence. After the destruction of our village, I realised that the Americans had sentenced us all to death. When I saw my deformed grandson I realised my hopes for the future have vanished . This time we are part of the invisiblegenocide brought on by America a silent death from which we will not escape ( Jooma Khan of Laghman province..March 2003.) Similar stories are repeated from Paktita province. Pregnant women are afraid of giving birth. U is cheap for the US, utilising nuclear waste, cheaper than titanium and tungsten. The Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC), Washington DC, and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (1991) - Steve Fetter and Frank Von Hippel have reported on extensive research by Field teams of the UMRC in Afghanistan. Testimonies of fathers and mothers are horrifying. 1. In the 2003 war, the Iraqis were subjected to the Pentagon's radioactive arsenal, mainly in the urban centers, unlike in the deserts in 1991. The aggregate effects of illnesses and long term disabilities and genetic birth defects will be apparent only 2008 onwards. 2. By now, half of all the 697,000 US soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% of these soldiers are chronically ill, and receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration. 3. The number of disabled veterans is shockingly high. They are in their mid- thirties and should have been in the prime of health. 4. Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels. 5. At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation. 6. The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the US and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor piercing shells made of DU during attacks in March-April 2003, far more than the 1991 Gulf War (this does not include air dispensed DU munitions and missiles), wrote the Post Intelligencer. 7. An otherwise useless by-product of the uranium enrichment process, DU is attractive to military contractors because it is so cheap and often offered for free by the Government. 8. The long term effects, as Dr Asaf Durakovic elaborates, after the early neurological symptoms are cancer, and related radiation illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, joint and muscle pain, neurological and/or nerve damage, mood disturbances, auto-immuno deficiciencies, lung and kidney damage, vision problems, skin rupture, increase in miscarriages, maternal mortality and genetic birth defects/deformation. 9. For years the US government described the Gulf War Syndrome as a post traumatic stress disorder. It was labelled as a psychological problem or simply as mysterious unrelated ailments much in the same way as health problems of Vietnam veterans suffering from Agent Orange poisoning g. Oh btw did you know that DU was first used in military armaments by the Germans in WWII? ( I thought you'd be pleased to learn that tidbit of military trivia). But Germany no longer uses DU. We picked up from where the Naziis left off I guess you could say. http://weeklywire.com/ww/07-03-00/alibi_feat4.html "Heavy Metal or Death Metal? Depleted Uranium Draws Criticism At Home and Abroad" By Lou Nicholas 07/03/00 Long article - both sides are presented but here's the kicker: Germany Says Nein to DU Although at least 17 countries have DU weapons, it's ironic that the country who first produced DU munitions, Germany, currently has none in its own military. Klaus Huesing, a nuclear physicist who works at the German weapons test center at Meppen, explains, "We refuse to use it as an armor or as an ammunition because it's very difficult and toxic to handle." What about being at a disadvantage on the battlefield? Huesing said, "We don't have much concern because we are still pretty good with our munitions, and we have nearly the same effectiveness with tungsten. ... We have reactive armor for our tanks and other new advantages. So we don't need any radioactive materials. But depleted uranium has one advantage: It's cheap!"
BAC's enterprise appears to be one giant diversion. He habitually focuses on details such as the exact number of Iraqi's killed, or whether a scientific consensus exists on the hazards of DU. In doing so, he hopes to confound the critics of the Bush agenda, by miring them in a bog of usually meaningless data. Debating just how many angels actually danced on the head of that pin allows him to ignore big-picture issues, such as whether the War on the Iraqi People was justified or legal.
You read that on a DU site. I bet you can't tell me anything else about him. Why do you say he's well respected? What awards has he gotten. What organizations does he belong to? What exact degrees does he have? What papers has he published at that university? What are his medical credentials? I'll bet you can't tell me any of that because ALL you have is the single line regurgitated on a hundred DU-is-the-evil-to-end-all-evil websites. And lastly, doesn't Yagasaki know there's more to comparing Nagasaki and Iraq then comparing the weight of the radioactive material. Apparently not. Well of course he was. It a DU fanatics conference and he's their man. You must know that wasn't a "medical conference". It was a conference filled with folks of like mind and all wearing blinders. And incestuous group of KOOKS. I'll bet you that Dr Rokke was even an invitee ... which just proves they weren't interested in the truth or facts. Just pushing their agenda. And I'll bet you there wasn't a health physicist among them. NOT ONE. Care to prove this or is this just another of this group's lies? Ditto.
You are going off the deep end, BAC. You are even transgressing - once again - the promises you made to christine and 4um in February: No more use of Kook you said as I recall. Okay okay now I see the progression of your "feelings" towards the experts robin/I have brought to your attention who posit that DU poses serious health risks. You went from character assassination of Dr./Major Doug Rokke to ignoring the views of Dr. Sanja Gupta, MD. neurologist and CNN health expert and disregarding the views of Dr/Colonel Asaf Durakovic, M.D. - who identified Gulf War Syndrome, btw, as one of his many accomplishments in research medicine. Then you laughed at Dr. Yagasaki's paper - he is merely a physicist and a nuclear radiation expert who delivered a paper at the World Uranium Weapons Conference. Then you ridicule and go ballistic over the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War even going so far as to accuse them of not being MD's, but rather KOOKS ( in your words). It's clear you don't like MD's, period. They're well educated in both science and medicine. That's what irritates you about this international conference of MD's that was hosted by Indian MD's. That these MD's want to save lives not destroy them, that's what has got your goat. How dare these men of science want peace? how dare they speak out against secret wmd ie. depleted uranium? You like those voodoo war doctors at newsmax and weekly standard and the AEI. You love to swallow everything those black hearted witch doctors dispense to you. Btw, the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War are the real deal - the organization was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985. I don't think "kooks" get Nobel Peace Prizes. Also it draws physician members from over 40 countries of the world. The founding members were American and Russian physicians - once again - no kooks on board. But thanks for revealing yourself - once again - for being a KOOK par excellence yourself. http://www.ippnw.org/IPPNWNobel.html Here's what the Nobel Peace Prize Committee said about IPPNW: "The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985 to the organization International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War. It is the committee's opinion that this organization has performed a considerable service to mankind by spreading authoritative information and by creating an awareness of the catastrophic consequences of atomic warfare. The committee believes that this in turn contributes to an increase in the pressure of public opposition to the proliferation of atomic weapons and to a redefining of priorities, with greater attention being paid to health and other humanitarian issues. Such an awakening of public opinion as is now apparent both in the East and the West, in the North and in the South, can give the present arms limitation negotiations new perspectives and a new seriousness. In this connection, the committee attaches particular importance to the fact that the organization was formed as a result of a joint initiative by Soviet and American physicians and that it now draws support from the physicians in over 40 countries all over the world. It is the committee's intention to invite the organization's two founders, who share the title of president -- Professor Bernard Lown from the USA and Professor Eugueni Chazov from the Soviet Union -- to receive the Peace Prize on behalf of their organization.
DU-laced semen, perhaps?
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Scrapper, I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush agree, and she annihilates him every time. what's amusing is that he's the only one who can't see it. well, him and his imaginary lurker friends. :P
You recall wrong. I said I wouldn't call anyone on 4um a label. And I haven't. I've been most civil ... in the face of a great deal of uncivility. A credit to me. No, I simply pointed out the truth about the man. He's a LIAR. He claimed he was a health physicist. He was not. He wasn't even a physicist. His degree was in EDUCATION. Nor was he the top man in Iraq where DU is concerned. How do you know that? Because a DU website says? Many of them also say Doug Rokke is a health physicist or a nuclear physicist. Where'd Yagasaki get his degree? What papers has he published over the years? What experience does he have in the medical effects of radiation? Pardon my skepticism but as we've seen in the case of bombs in the wtc proponents, the story behind the *experts* is often quite revealing. Any health physicists among them? Maybe. But they tend to know little about radiation. Or the collapse of buildings. That's IAEA and you do know what that is, don't you? Good for them. What percentage of them think DU is all that you folks claim? The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium. And no links to anything on DU. There aren't even any publications on DU. Strange, isn't it. You sure we are talking about an organization that supports your cause?
Too bad that robin only sees what scrapper posts. I guess she likes making her decisions with only half the information ... the incorrect half. But I guess a bozo filter gives one a sense of security so good for her. ROTFLOL!
Can you help me, christine? Maybe I'm missing something. Do you see ANY mention of DU on the IPPNW website? ANY mention at all? ROTFLOL!
Wrong again! They have an entire statement on the subject. Here ya go: Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
ROTFLOL!!!!! indeed! damn, that smack was deafening!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
arator: Wrong again! They have an entire statement on the subject. Here ya go: IPPNW: "The fact that military authorities in both the US and NATO advise their own soldiers to take precautions when handling DU munitions and have prepared detailed training manuals and videos to ensure troop safety [12], while issuing blanket denials of health risks to the public, strikes us as hypocritical at the very least, and reinforces our judgment that these weapons should be withdrawn from service." Arator, you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response - ouch, that had to hurt our resident Botbunny's ego. Congratulations, arator!
Thanks, but I'm just sweeping up the remnants at your slaughterhouse, scrapper. ;^)
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Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Nice link. Thanks.
Thanks for locating that page, Arator. Here are a few other excerpts from that page: "We urge caution, however, in making categorical assertions or denials about health effects until systematic, independent, peer-reviewed studies of depleted uranium exposure have been conducted." "peer-reviewed studies of health effects from natural uranium exposure are weighted against the probability that DU exposure, in and of itself, is likely to have caused an increase in leukemias or other cancers in the relatively short time since it has been dispersed in the Balkans environment" And did you note this? " Allied soldiers and Iraqi soldiers and civilians were exposed to many other health hazards before, during, and after the Gulf War. These included multiple vaccines, insecticides, and chemical weapon protectives. Any chemical weapons released as a result of the bombing of Iraqi munitions-dumps would be an additional hazard (as would chemical weapon residues from the prior Iran-Iraq war). The petrochemical fires that raged for weeks at the conclusion of the war added to the toxic burden. In the former Yugoslavia, chemical factories were targeted and destroyed during NATO air strikes, and large amounts of toxic chemicals, some of them known carcinogens, were released." And I don't know if you noticed this, but that page links the WHO for more information. For example "World Health Organization study: Depleted Uranium: Sources, Exposure and Health Effects (PDF) (April 2001)" and "World Health Organization fact sheet on Depleted Uranium (Fact Sheet No. 257, updated January 2003)" The later (most recent), states the following: ******** "A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low." ... snip ... "Potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium "In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure." "In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer." "Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks)." "No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver." "No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans." "Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported." ************** Not quite the picture you folks have been painting, is it.
Don't forget to actually READ post #71, christine.
You too, scrapper.
so eating depleted uranium is just like eating a vitamin pill. That's great - you satan worshipers can keep it. I advise you to take your depleted uranium pills and shove it up your ... ... face. let the satanists eat the DU dust and bring our soldiers home.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
You speak nothing but treason, BAC - but you ARE consistent. You give queers a bad (but deserving) name.
She can't see your posts unless someone quotes you in theirs. What a shame. So much great info that many will never see because you don't understand one of the simplest fundamentals about the human condition. Even if it is as you may say "their loss", the inescapable truth is that you're not an effective messenger because people despise you so much that they won't read your posts. In fact, I can picture a point in the near future when no one replies and you simply don't exist here anymore. You'll be like an old forgotten man pushing a shopping cart and muttering to himself, and sadly, you'll still try to convince yourself that you have some relevance. BTW, I'm not going to flag chris because she trusts me and I wouldn't want to quote you then have her read it. It's a real shame too, because it's a great post! Darn! What a shame you don't care about the people you seem to want to educate. You put so much effort into posts that many will never read....*sigh* Although I don't have you blocked I don't read your posts. So, if you reply to this I probably won't see it unless you can get someone to take pity and flag me and quote your comments to me. Sorry, but, that's the way it has to be. You must have a sponsor to get many people to read what you write. So, for the remainder of your time here please try not to irritate the folks who haven't bozo'ed you yet, okay?
let the satanists eat the DU dust and bring our soldiers home. Maj. Doug Rokke said that his army physician flatly refused to write the medical report truthfully, and there can be little doubt that the reason there is "no evidence" is because that is this standing order-DO NOT COMPILE ANY EVIDENCE! ARMY TIMES and PROCEEDINGS (journal of THE NAVAL INSTITUTE) will show the pix and tell the DU horror stories, such as the ALA guard unit that has suffered a 67% rate of serious birth defects including babies born with no eyes or limbs or brain stems since the unit returned from Desert Storm. But, there won't be any official documentation. That way the shills can proudly boast (well, as proud as anonymous shills can be) that there is "no evidence". And, anyone who contradicts the official line is a "liar". One shill told me that the culprit may be "paint and diesel fumes". There's something about them in the M.E. that make them harmful, because none of the service members stateside suffered the symptoms despite exposure. here's an example. The article steers clear of the number one suspect, and this is no accident: "Birth Defects Seen in Gulf War Vets' Kids Main Category: Public Health News Article Date: 05 Jun 2003 - 0:00 PDT | email this article | printer friendly | view or write opinions | sign up to our weekly newsletter Sign up for news alerts Useful Article? * Digg It * Del.icio.us * NewsVine * Reddit Gov't Study Finds Higher Rates of Specific Birth Defects in Children of Gulf War Vets (USA) Children of veterans of the first Gulf War are more likely to have three specific birth defects than those of soldiers who never served in the gulf, a government study has found. Researchers found the infants born to male veterans of the 1991 war had higher rates of two types of heart valve defects. They also found a higher rate of a genital urinary defect in boys conceived after the war to Gulf War veteran mothers. In addition, Gulf War veterans' children born after the war had a certain kidney defect that was not found in Gulf War veterans' children born before the war. The researchers said they did not have enough information to link the birth defects to possible exposures to poisonous gases, pesticides and other toxic substances, which many Gulf War veterans suspect are culprits of their mysterious illnesses and their children's health problems."
I don't think you understand. There is no politics when it comes to such things. The folks most qualified in the effects radioactive materials don't need to speak out because the facts are already there, and have been for years. Some who are concerned about the issue are speaking out, other posters have been posting such material, I thought you would have noticed that, or do you not bother to read their posts? Properties of atoms and molecules don't change to suit anyone's agendas. It just doesn't work that way.
Would you be willing to inhale a few grams of DU dust?
Exellent and well-explained post scrapper. However it's now obvious that no matter how much evidence BeAChooser is faced with regarding DU, he will find reasons, no matter how ridiculous, to discredit it as he is unwilling to admit the problem with DU, because for some reason he's unable to accept it. It's that 3 year old mentality at work again, if he doesn't want it to be true, well then in his mind he will make it not true, no matter what.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI posted what HEALTH PHYSICISTS believe. They are the experts in such matters. Just like structural engineers are the experts in building collapses. If you choose to ignore their experience, education and wisdom, it is no skin off my back. But I sure wish you wouldn't post falsehoods like the above to folks (like robin) who have bozo'd themselves from my side of the conversation because then they will be further misinformed.
#42. To: Diana (#41)
You don't have to be a health physicist to know the properties of uranium or depleted uranium.
#43. To: BeAChooser (#32)
#44. To: BeAChooser (#42)
#45. To: BeAChooser (#42)
They are the experts when it comes to the effects of radiation and radioactive materials on people.
#46. To: BeAChooser, robin (#23)
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robin: DU is killing our soldiers.
#47. To: Diana, ALL (#45)
So are many PhD physicists
#48. To: BeAChooser, robin, diana, leveller, Burkeman1, Brian S, All (#23)
robin: DU is killing our soldiers.
#49. To: BeAChooser (#42)
so few (if any) of the many health physicists (or structural engineers) in the world are supporters. Can you name any, Diana?
#50. To: Diana, ALL (#44)
Have you ever heard of a field called industrial hygeine
If I'm not mistaken, health physicist is a relatively new field (or term)
#51. To: scrapper2, All (#46)
#52. To: Diana (#44)
If I'm not mistaken, health physicist is a relatively new field (or term),
#53. To: BeAChooser (#51)
Any Italian health physicists step forward? Or are their experts pretty much your *experts*?
#54. To: scrapper2, ALL (#48)
I think you'll see various "experts" named in Point #13
#55. To: BeAChooser, robin, diana, leveller, Burkeman1, Brian S, All (#54)
#56. To: scrapper2 (#55)
#57. To: scrapper2, ALL (#55)
Dr. Yagasaki is a physicist and a well-respected nuclear radiation expert, from the University of the Ryukyus, Okinawahas.
Dr. Yagasaki was invited to deliver a paper of public record at the World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg in October 2003
is referenced at another international conference, attended by physicians and hosted by physicians - Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, sponsored by Indian Doctors for Peace and Development physicians, held in New Delhi, India, February 29- March 02, 2004.
BAC, you must admit at a int'l medical conference,
4. Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels.
5. At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation.
#58. To: BeAChooser, robin, leveller, diana, christine (#57)
You must know that wasn't a "medical conference". It was a conference filled with folks of like mind and all wearing blinders. And incestuous group of KOOKS. I'll bet you that Dr Rokke was even an invitee ... which just proves they weren't interested in the truth or facts. Just pushing their agenda. And I'll bet you there wasn't a health physicist among them. NOT ONE.
#59. To: scrapper2 (#58)
You like those voodoo war doctors at newsmax and weekly standard and the AEI. You love to swallow everything those black hearted witch doctors dispense to you.
#60. To: scrapper2 (#58)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#61. To: robin, scrapper2 (#60)
I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
#62. To: scrapper2, robin, leveller, diana, christine, ALL (#58)
No more use of Kook you said as I recall.
You went from character assassination of Dr./Major Doug Rokke
Then you laughed at Dr. Yagasaki's paper - he is merely a physicist and a nuclear radiation expert
the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
They're well educated in both science and medicine.
and the AEI.
the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War are the real deal - the organization was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985.
#63. To: robin, scrapper2, ALL (#60)
Scrapper, I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
#64. To: christine, scrapper2, all (#61)
and she annihilates him every time
#65. To: BeAChooser (#62)
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The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium.
#66. To: Arator, BeAChooser, robin, scrapper2, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, Kamala, Diana, SKYDRIFTER, IndieTx, bluedogtxn, ALL (#65)
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#67. To: Arator, BeAChooser, robin, christine, leveller, diana, All (#65)
BeAChooser: The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium.
#68. To: scrapper2 (#67)
Arator, you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response - ouch, that had to hurt our resident Botbunny's ego.
#69. To: Arator (#65)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#70. To: Arator (#65)
#71. To: Arator, scrapper2, christine, ALL (#65)
IPPNW: "The fact that military authorities in both the US and NATO advise their own soldiers to take precautions when handling DU munitions and have prepared detailed training manuals and videos to ensure troop safety [12], while issuing blanket denials of health risks to the public, strikes us as hypocritical at the very least, and reinforces our judgment that these weapons should be withdrawn from service."
#72. To: christine, ALL (#66)
damn, that smack was deafening!!!
#73. To: scrapper2 (#67)
you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response
#74. To: BeAChooser (#71)
#75. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#73)
#76. To: BeAChooser, (#72)
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Don't forget to actually READ post #71, christine.
#77. To: Red Jones, SKYDRIFTER (#74)
so eating depleted uranium is just like eating a vitamin pill. That's great - you satan worshipers can keep it. I advise you to take your depleted uranium pills and shove it up your ... ... face.
#78. To: BeAChooser, robin, Scrapper2, Arator (#47)
Again, Diana, don't you find it curious that NONE of the folks most qualified in the effects of radiation and radioactive materials on humans have joined the anti-DU bandwagon? But just for fun, why don't you give me the name of a PhD physicist who has and a link to what he/she claims. The ball is in your court if you think you actually have an expert.
#79. To: BeAChooser (#73)
#80. To: scrapper2, BeAChooser (#55)
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