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Title: U.S. Reports Five Soldiers Killed In Iraq
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URL Source: http://www.postchronicle.com/news/b ... ingnews/article_21268681.shtml
Published: Mar 12, 2007
Author: UPI
Post Date: 2007-03-12 13:26:55 by Brian S
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Comments: 96
Mar 12, 2007 The U.S. military said Monday five of its soldiers were killed and two others were injured in separate incidents in Iraq on Sunday. Three of the deaths were not combat-related, Kuwait's KUNA news agency reported. In Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on the motorcade of Iraq's minister of agriculture, killing one of his bodyguards and injuring another, CNN reported. Security officials said 21 bodies had been found scattered around the city on Sunday, most of which showed signs of torture. Sectarian fighting between Shiite and Sunni Muslims has plagued the Iraqi government's attempts at reconstruction for more than 14 months. About 60 miles from Baghdad in Muqdadiya, a New York Times correspondent said sectarian fighting turned to arson during the weekend. As many as 100 homes and other buildings were torched, the report said. Victims from both sects blamed Sunni extremists who have taken over several towns in the area and are demanding protection money, the report said. (c) UPI
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#49. To: BeAChooser (#42)
How about that well-known expert on the effects of radiation on humans, Marie Curie? Eh, BeACurie?
http://www.aiha.org/Content/aiha.htm Wow! They sure seem concerned about DU. NOT. Do you actually have anything from the American Industrial Hygiene Association saying that DU is the threat you and the folks here at 4um (like robin) want everyone to believe? Anything? Are any of the folks being named as experts members of AIHA? Do any of them have a degree in it? The ball is in your court, Diana. http://hps.org/ Founded 1956. Try again.
Any Italian health physicists step forward? Or are their experts pretty much your *experts*?
Another "neo" something or other? Why have I grown cynical of that prefix?
If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost
Hey don't shoot the messenger, BAC. I'm merely bringing to your weeklystandardnewsmax eyes some new food for thought via the BBC. How did "my experts" even get into play with regards to the BBC article I posted to your attention in message #46? Grow up. It's the Italian government that must think the report compiled by INDEPENDENT SCIENTISTS had merit or the Italian Defense Ministry would not have published the report, do you think, perhaps, is that a safe bet? Duh. "In 2002 the Italian defence ministry published a report compiled by independent scientists which found a higher than average number of servicemen were suffering from cancer. It said there was an excessive number of Hodgkin's disease victims among Italian Balkan peacekeepers. A number of children fathered by the soldiers have been born with disabilities."
I also note under point 13 this: Major Doug Rokke, Professor of Physics and Geosciences of Jacksonville State University, former Director of DU weapons project of the US army from 1994-1995 in charge of the cleaning up of DU in Iraq, himself affected by DU. Most of which is false or highly exaggerated, as I've pointed out previously. Given that, how accurate can this law suit be? About as accurate as the lawsuit filed on behalf of the janitor Rodriguez? But I tell you what ... Let's look at your Japanese radiation expert, Professor Katsuma Yagasaki. Here's what the lawsuit says "Professor Yagasaki deposed that the total amount of 235U dispersed in Hiroshima was 61.2 kilograms; since it was estimated that about 500-600 tons of DU weapons were used in Afghanistan, DU pollution in Afghanistan is 8,170 tons more than in Hiroshima; that the adverse effects of radioactive contamination in Afghanistan and the internal radiation risk is beyond our imagination". Beyond our wildest imagination? What science! It also states "Professor Yagasaki in the paper on record before this Tribunal presented at the `World Uranium Conference Weapons Conference' in October 2003 calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of DU used in Iraq is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs". 250,000! Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this. Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this? For the same reason that structural engineers have missed the *obvious* explosive demolition of the WTC towers? They are morons? Do those pushing Yagasaki and his assertion mention that the weight of the material used in Iraq as compared to that used in the Japan nukes is not anywhere near as important as the the type of radiation each emits or the decay rates? Here's something from folks who probably do know a bit about DU.
Okay, okay I'm starting to see the problem... a. You don't like the testimony of Dr./Major Doug Rokke because you feel that his background and/or testimony are:"Most of which is false or highly exaggerated"... b. You disregard the views Dr. Sanjay Gupta, a neurologist and CNN health correspondent, because Dr. Gupta - what ??? - makes so much $ for his valued medical opinions and expertise??? c. You disregard the views of Dr/Colonel Asaf Durakovic, M.D. formerly employed by the US gov't to research DU health hazards because - why ???- hey, BAC, you should love Dr. Durakovic because he got in the face of your arch villain, Billy Jeff Clinton: An Army doctor specializing in nuclear medicine, Col. Asaf Durakovic, was in charge of conducting diagnostic tests of 24 DU-contaminated veterans. The records of the tests mysteriously disappeared, and Durakovic was "downsized" out of the army. Dr. Durakovic wrote to President Clinton in February, 1997: "The lost records, lost laboratory specimens and retaliations which are well-documented point to no less than conspiracy to terminate my efforts of proper management of Gulf War veterans." Dr. Durakovik is now studying DU health effects in Canada, a country that does not use DU weapons. d. You don't like Dr. Yagasaki's figures and/or testimony because they are "Beyond our wildest imagination? What science!" and Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this" and "Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this?" Uh...BAC...Dr. Yagasaki is a physicist and a well-respected nuclear radiation expert, from the University of the Ryukyus, Okinawahas. And yes, Dr. Yagasaki was invited to deliver a paper of public record at the World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg in October 2003 - you and your experts were no doubt invited to that conference as well, yes??? e.As a matter of fact Dr. Yagasaki's paper - whose findings your Botbunny self mocks and has great chuckles about - is referenced at another international conference, attended by physicians and hosted by physicians - Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, sponsored by Indian Doctors for Peace and Development physicians, held in New Delhi, India, February 29- March 02, 2004. BAC, you must admit at a int'l medical conference, with all those MD's present from around the globe, with their combined hundreds of years of medical science knowledge and training, you'd think one of them might have caught Dr. Yagasaki's lies, IF they were lies about DU, and shouted: "Beyond our wildest imagination? What science!" and Wow! It's really hard not to laugh at this" and "Given such *obvious* danger, how can the health physicists of the world possibly have missed this?" No MD at this int'l conference said any of those afore-mentioned bright light observations. Sorry, BAC, I guess no MD at the conference is AS STUPID AS THE PERSON WHO MADE THOSE COMMENTS. f. BAC, some other papers and books were also referenced at this New Delhi meeting of physicians, including Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki, Director Afghan DU Recovery Fund: Some cut and paste from the opening remarks: http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/Bhagwat-Silent-WMDs- DU29feb04.htm Beyond just the health consequences, DU munitions are in fact, weapons of Silent Mass Destruction in so far as the consequences of their usage are vast, indiscriminate and violate all Human Rights Conventions . Tora Bora ,Kabu , Paktia , Karises or underwater supply tunnels have been contaminated forever. All this has been documented in a comprehensive paper "Uranium wars:The Pentagon steps up its use of Radio-active Munitions," by Marc W. Herold. In another paper Dr Mohammed Daud Miraki, Director Afghan DU Recovery Fund, quotes George W Bush , "we will smoke them out," condemning the unborn, the living and the future generations of Afghans and the neighbouring people to a pre-determined, death sentence. After the destruction of our village, I realised that the Americans had sentenced us all to death. When I saw my deformed grandson I realised my hopes for the future have vanished . This time we are part of the invisiblegenocide brought on by America a silent death from which we will not escape ( Jooma Khan of Laghman province..March 2003.) Similar stories are repeated from Paktita province. Pregnant women are afraid of giving birth. U is cheap for the US, utilising nuclear waste, cheaper than titanium and tungsten. The Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC), Washington DC, and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (1991) - Steve Fetter and Frank Von Hippel have reported on extensive research by Field teams of the UMRC in Afghanistan. Testimonies of fathers and mothers are horrifying. 1. In the 2003 war, the Iraqis were subjected to the Pentagon's radioactive arsenal, mainly in the urban centers, unlike in the deserts in 1991. The aggregate effects of illnesses and long term disabilities and genetic birth defects will be apparent only 2008 onwards. 2. By now, half of all the 697,000 US soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% of these soldiers are chronically ill, and receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration. 3. The number of disabled veterans is shockingly high. They are in their mid- thirties and should have been in the prime of health. 4. Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels. 5. At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation. 6. The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the US and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor piercing shells made of DU during attacks in March-April 2003, far more than the 1991 Gulf War (this does not include air dispensed DU munitions and missiles), wrote the Post Intelligencer. 7. An otherwise useless by-product of the uranium enrichment process, DU is attractive to military contractors because it is so cheap and often offered for free by the Government. 8. The long term effects, as Dr Asaf Durakovic elaborates, after the early neurological symptoms are cancer, and related radiation illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, joint and muscle pain, neurological and/or nerve damage, mood disturbances, auto-immuno deficiciencies, lung and kidney damage, vision problems, skin rupture, increase in miscarriages, maternal mortality and genetic birth defects/deformation. 9. For years the US government described the Gulf War Syndrome as a post traumatic stress disorder. It was labelled as a psychological problem or simply as mysterious unrelated ailments much in the same way as health problems of Vietnam veterans suffering from Agent Orange poisoning g. Oh btw did you know that DU was first used in military armaments by the Germans in WWII? ( I thought you'd be pleased to learn that tidbit of military trivia). But Germany no longer uses DU. We picked up from where the Naziis left off I guess you could say. http://weeklywire.com/ww/07-03-00/alibi_feat4.html "Heavy Metal or Death Metal? Depleted Uranium Draws Criticism At Home and Abroad" By Lou Nicholas 07/03/00 Long article - both sides are presented but here's the kicker: Germany Says Nein to DU Although at least 17 countries have DU weapons, it's ironic that the country who first produced DU munitions, Germany, currently has none in its own military. Klaus Huesing, a nuclear physicist who works at the German weapons test center at Meppen, explains, "We refuse to use it as an armor or as an ammunition because it's very difficult and toxic to handle." What about being at a disadvantage on the battlefield? Huesing said, "We don't have much concern because we are still pretty good with our munitions, and we have nearly the same effectiveness with tungsten. ... We have reactive armor for our tanks and other new advantages. So we don't need any radioactive materials. But depleted uranium has one advantage: It's cheap!"
BAC's enterprise appears to be one giant diversion. He habitually focuses on details such as the exact number of Iraqi's killed, or whether a scientific consensus exists on the hazards of DU. In doing so, he hopes to confound the critics of the Bush agenda, by miring them in a bog of usually meaningless data. Debating just how many angels actually danced on the head of that pin allows him to ignore big-picture issues, such as whether the War on the Iraqi People was justified or legal.
You read that on a DU site. I bet you can't tell me anything else about him. Why do you say he's well respected? What awards has he gotten. What organizations does he belong to? What exact degrees does he have? What papers has he published at that university? What are his medical credentials? I'll bet you can't tell me any of that because ALL you have is the single line regurgitated on a hundred DU-is-the-evil-to-end-all-evil websites. And lastly, doesn't Yagasaki know there's more to comparing Nagasaki and Iraq then comparing the weight of the radioactive material. Apparently not. Well of course he was. It a DU fanatics conference and he's their man. You must know that wasn't a "medical conference". It was a conference filled with folks of like mind and all wearing blinders. And incestuous group of KOOKS. I'll bet you that Dr Rokke was even an invitee ... which just proves they weren't interested in the truth or facts. Just pushing their agenda. And I'll bet you there wasn't a health physicist among them. NOT ONE. Care to prove this or is this just another of this group's lies? Ditto.
You are going off the deep end, BAC. You are even transgressing - once again - the promises you made to christine and 4um in February: No more use of Kook you said as I recall. Okay okay now I see the progression of your "feelings" towards the experts robin/I have brought to your attention who posit that DU poses serious health risks. You went from character assassination of Dr./Major Doug Rokke to ignoring the views of Dr. Sanja Gupta, MD. neurologist and CNN health expert and disregarding the views of Dr/Colonel Asaf Durakovic, M.D. - who identified Gulf War Syndrome, btw, as one of his many accomplishments in research medicine. Then you laughed at Dr. Yagasaki's paper - he is merely a physicist and a nuclear radiation expert who delivered a paper at the World Uranium Weapons Conference. Then you ridicule and go ballistic over the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War even going so far as to accuse them of not being MD's, but rather KOOKS ( in your words). It's clear you don't like MD's, period. They're well educated in both science and medicine. That's what irritates you about this international conference of MD's that was hosted by Indian MD's. That these MD's want to save lives not destroy them, that's what has got your goat. How dare these men of science want peace? how dare they speak out against secret wmd ie. depleted uranium? You like those voodoo war doctors at newsmax and weekly standard and the AEI. You love to swallow everything those black hearted witch doctors dispense to you. Btw, the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War are the real deal - the organization was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985. I don't think "kooks" get Nobel Peace Prizes. Also it draws physician members from over 40 countries of the world. The founding members were American and Russian physicians - once again - no kooks on board. But thanks for revealing yourself - once again - for being a KOOK par excellence yourself. http://www.ippnw.org/IPPNWNobel.html Here's what the Nobel Peace Prize Committee said about IPPNW: "The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985 to the organization International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War. It is the committee's opinion that this organization has performed a considerable service to mankind by spreading authoritative information and by creating an awareness of the catastrophic consequences of atomic warfare. The committee believes that this in turn contributes to an increase in the pressure of public opposition to the proliferation of atomic weapons and to a redefining of priorities, with greater attention being paid to health and other humanitarian issues. Such an awakening of public opinion as is now apparent both in the East and the West, in the North and in the South, can give the present arms limitation negotiations new perspectives and a new seriousness. In this connection, the committee attaches particular importance to the fact that the organization was formed as a result of a joint initiative by Soviet and American physicians and that it now draws support from the physicians in over 40 countries all over the world. It is the committee's intention to invite the organization's two founders, who share the title of president -- Professor Bernard Lown from the USA and Professor Eugueni Chazov from the Soviet Union -- to receive the Peace Prize on behalf of their organization.
DU-laced semen, perhaps?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Scrapper, I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush agree, and she annihilates him every time. what's amusing is that he's the only one who can't see it. well, him and his imaginary lurker friends. :P
You recall wrong. I said I wouldn't call anyone on 4um a label. And I haven't. I've been most civil ... in the face of a great deal of uncivility. A credit to me. No, I simply pointed out the truth about the man. He's a LIAR. He claimed he was a health physicist. He was not. He wasn't even a physicist. His degree was in EDUCATION. Nor was he the top man in Iraq where DU is concerned. How do you know that? Because a DU website says? Many of them also say Doug Rokke is a health physicist or a nuclear physicist. Where'd Yagasaki get his degree? What papers has he published over the years? What experience does he have in the medical effects of radiation? Pardon my skepticism but as we've seen in the case of bombs in the wtc proponents, the story behind the *experts* is often quite revealing. Any health physicists among them? Maybe. But they tend to know little about radiation. Or the collapse of buildings. That's IAEA and you do know what that is, don't you? Good for them. What percentage of them think DU is all that you folks claim? The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium. And no links to anything on DU. There aren't even any publications on DU. Strange, isn't it. You sure we are talking about an organization that supports your cause?
Too bad that robin only sees what scrapper posts. I guess she likes making her decisions with only half the information ... the incorrect half. But I guess a bozo filter gives one a sense of security so good for her. ROTFLOL!
Can you help me, christine? Maybe I'm missing something. Do you see ANY mention of DU on the IPPNW website? ANY mention at all? ROTFLOL!
Wrong again! They have an entire statement on the subject. Here ya go: Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
ROTFLOL!!!!! indeed! damn, that smack was deafening!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
arator: Wrong again! They have an entire statement on the subject. Here ya go: IPPNW: "The fact that military authorities in both the US and NATO advise their own soldiers to take precautions when handling DU munitions and have prepared detailed training manuals and videos to ensure troop safety [12], while issuing blanket denials of health risks to the public, strikes us as hypocritical at the very least, and reinforces our judgment that these weapons should be withdrawn from service." Arator, you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response - ouch, that had to hurt our resident Botbunny's ego. Congratulations, arator!
Thanks, but I'm just sweeping up the remnants at your slaughterhouse, scrapper. ;^)
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Nice link. Thanks.
Thanks for locating that page, Arator. Here are a few other excerpts from that page: "We urge caution, however, in making categorical assertions or denials about health effects until systematic, independent, peer-reviewed studies of depleted uranium exposure have been conducted." "peer-reviewed studies of health effects from natural uranium exposure are weighted against the probability that DU exposure, in and of itself, is likely to have caused an increase in leukemias or other cancers in the relatively short time since it has been dispersed in the Balkans environment" And did you note this? " Allied soldiers and Iraqi soldiers and civilians were exposed to many other health hazards before, during, and after the Gulf War. These included multiple vaccines, insecticides, and chemical weapon protectives. Any chemical weapons released as a result of the bombing of Iraqi munitions-dumps would be an additional hazard (as would chemical weapon residues from the prior Iran-Iraq war). The petrochemical fires that raged for weeks at the conclusion of the war added to the toxic burden. In the former Yugoslavia, chemical factories were targeted and destroyed during NATO air strikes, and large amounts of toxic chemicals, some of them known carcinogens, were released." And I don't know if you noticed this, but that page links the WHO for more information. For example "World Health Organization study: Depleted Uranium: Sources, Exposure and Health Effects (PDF) (April 2001)" and "World Health Organization fact sheet on Depleted Uranium (Fact Sheet No. 257, updated January 2003)" The later (most recent), states the following: ******** "A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low." ... snip ... "Potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium "In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure." "In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer." "Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks)." "No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver." "No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans." "Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported." ************** Not quite the picture you folks have been painting, is it.
Don't forget to actually READ post #71, christine.
You too, scrapper.
so eating depleted uranium is just like eating a vitamin pill. That's great - you satan worshipers can keep it. I advise you to take your depleted uranium pills and shove it up your ... ... face. let the satanists eat the DU dust and bring our soldiers home.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
You speak nothing but treason, BAC - but you ARE consistent. You give queers a bad (but deserving) name.
She can't see your posts unless someone quotes you in theirs. What a shame. So much great info that many will never see because you don't understand one of the simplest fundamentals about the human condition. Even if it is as you may say "their loss", the inescapable truth is that you're not an effective messenger because people despise you so much that they won't read your posts. In fact, I can picture a point in the near future when no one replies and you simply don't exist here anymore. You'll be like an old forgotten man pushing a shopping cart and muttering to himself, and sadly, you'll still try to convince yourself that you have some relevance. BTW, I'm not going to flag chris because she trusts me and I wouldn't want to quote you then have her read it. It's a real shame too, because it's a great post! Darn! What a shame you don't care about the people you seem to want to educate. You put so much effort into posts that many will never read....*sigh* Although I don't have you blocked I don't read your posts. So, if you reply to this I probably won't see it unless you can get someone to take pity and flag me and quote your comments to me. Sorry, but, that's the way it has to be. You must have a sponsor to get many people to read what you write. So, for the remainder of your time here please try not to irritate the folks who haven't bozo'ed you yet, okay?
let the satanists eat the DU dust and bring our soldiers home. Maj. Doug Rokke said that his army physician flatly refused to write the medical report truthfully, and there can be little doubt that the reason there is "no evidence" is because that is this standing order-DO NOT COMPILE ANY EVIDENCE! ARMY TIMES and PROCEEDINGS (journal of THE NAVAL INSTITUTE) will show the pix and tell the DU horror stories, such as the ALA guard unit that has suffered a 67% rate of serious birth defects including babies born with no eyes or limbs or brain stems since the unit returned from Desert Storm. But, there won't be any official documentation. That way the shills can proudly boast (well, as proud as anonymous shills can be) that there is "no evidence". And, anyone who contradicts the official line is a "liar". One shill told me that the culprit may be "paint and diesel fumes". There's something about them in the M.E. that make them harmful, because none of the service members stateside suffered the symptoms despite exposure. here's an example. The article steers clear of the number one suspect, and this is no accident: "Birth Defects Seen in Gulf War Vets' Kids Main Category: Public Health News Article Date: 05 Jun 2003 - 0:00 PDT | email this article | printer friendly | view or write opinions | sign up to our weekly newsletter Sign up for news alerts Useful Article? * Digg It * Del.icio.us * NewsVine * Reddit Gov't Study Finds Higher Rates of Specific Birth Defects in Children of Gulf War Vets (USA) Children of veterans of the first Gulf War are more likely to have three specific birth defects than those of soldiers who never served in the gulf, a government study has found. Researchers found the infants born to male veterans of the 1991 war had higher rates of two types of heart valve defects. They also found a higher rate of a genital urinary defect in boys conceived after the war to Gulf War veteran mothers. In addition, Gulf War veterans' children born after the war had a certain kidney defect that was not found in Gulf War veterans' children born before the war. The researchers said they did not have enough information to link the birth defects to possible exposures to poisonous gases, pesticides and other toxic substances, which many Gulf War veterans suspect are culprits of their mysterious illnesses and their children's health problems."
I don't think you understand. There is no politics when it comes to such things. The folks most qualified in the effects radioactive materials don't need to speak out because the facts are already there, and have been for years. Some who are concerned about the issue are speaking out, other posters have been posting such material, I thought you would have noticed that, or do you not bother to read their posts? Properties of atoms and molecules don't change to suit anyone's agendas. It just doesn't work that way.
Would you be willing to inhale a few grams of DU dust?
Exellent and well-explained post scrapper. However it's now obvious that no matter how much evidence BeAChooser is faced with regarding DU, he will find reasons, no matter how ridiculous, to discredit it as he is unwilling to admit the problem with DU, because for some reason he's unable to accept it. It's that 3 year old mentality at work again, if he doesn't want it to be true, well then in his mind he will make it not true, no matter what.
According to BAC's logic, if a policeman doesn't witness a rape; there has been none - just "sex." He's that simple.
*listen to crickets chirping while we wait for a reply*
*listen to crickets chirping while we wait for a reply* Still waiting...
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush Where'd he go? He didn't leave or get banned did he?
He didn't leave or get banned did he? Boozer may have gone to get his photo professionally taken so he can appear with his like-minded compadres here - I put my money on oozer being Gal Luft in real life - check out the "do" - tee hee: http://www.fightingterror .org/members/index.cfm "Committee on the Present Danger"
you did see the KO Arator delivered, didn't you? maybe (hopefully) BAC's still down for the count. :P
You are saying she's bozo'd herself to keep from seeing both sides of the debate? ROTFLOL! Well see ... Is your motto Friends Keep Friends In The Dark And Looking Foolish? Both these statements can't be true. You are just demonstrating yet another sign of the pathology of 4um members when it comes to the truth. That's fine. Because I'm not replying to you, Dawg. Haven't you figured that out yet?
Diana, I shall just quote scrapper's nobel prize winning source: "There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure." "because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer." "Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks)." "No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver." "No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans." "Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported." You really should look in the mirror Diana. ROTFLOL!
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestso few (if any) of the many health physicists (or structural engineers) in the world are supporters. Can you name any, Diana?
#50. To: Diana, ALL (#44)
Have you ever heard of a field called industrial hygeine
If I'm not mistaken, health physicist is a relatively new field (or term)
#51. To: scrapper2, All (#46)
#52. To: Diana (#44)
If I'm not mistaken, health physicist is a relatively new field (or term),
#53. To: BeAChooser (#51)
Any Italian health physicists step forward? Or are their experts pretty much your *experts*?
#54. To: scrapper2, ALL (#48)
I think you'll see various "experts" named in Point #13
#55. To: BeAChooser, robin, diana, leveller, Burkeman1, Brian S, All (#54)
#56. To: scrapper2 (#55)
#57. To: scrapper2, ALL (#55)
Dr. Yagasaki is a physicist and a well-respected nuclear radiation expert, from the University of the Ryukyus, Okinawahas.
Dr. Yagasaki was invited to deliver a paper of public record at the World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg in October 2003
is referenced at another international conference, attended by physicians and hosted by physicians - Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, sponsored by Indian Doctors for Peace and Development physicians, held in New Delhi, India, February 29- March 02, 2004.
BAC, you must admit at a int'l medical conference,
4. Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels.
5. At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation.
#58. To: BeAChooser, robin, leveller, diana, christine (#57)
You must know that wasn't a "medical conference". It was a conference filled with folks of like mind and all wearing blinders. And incestuous group of KOOKS. I'll bet you that Dr Rokke was even an invitee ... which just proves they weren't interested in the truth or facts. Just pushing their agenda. And I'll bet you there wasn't a health physicist among them. NOT ONE.
#59. To: scrapper2 (#58)
You like those voodoo war doctors at newsmax and weekly standard and the AEI. You love to swallow everything those black hearted witch doctors dispense to you.
#60. To: scrapper2 (#58)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#61. To: robin, scrapper2 (#60)
I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
#62. To: scrapper2, robin, leveller, diana, christine, ALL (#58)
No more use of Kook you said as I recall.
You went from character assassination of Dr./Major Doug Rokke
Then you laughed at Dr. Yagasaki's paper - he is merely a physicist and a nuclear radiation expert
the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
They're well educated in both science and medicine.
and the AEI.
the Int'l Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War are the real deal - the organization was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 1985.
#63. To: robin, scrapper2, ALL (#60)
Scrapper, I commend you for your dedication and tenacity. You actually read what BAC posts and yet you continue to have a polite and accurate response, always hitting every nail on the head.
#64. To: christine, scrapper2, all (#61)
and she annihilates him every time
#65. To: BeAChooser (#62)
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The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium.
#66. To: Arator, BeAChooser, robin, scrapper2, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, Kamala, Diana, SKYDRIFTER, IndieTx, bluedogtxn, ALL (#65)
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#67. To: Arator, BeAChooser, robin, christine, leveller, diana, All (#65)
BeAChooser: The funny thing is ... if you visit their website (http://www.ippnw.org/SiteMap.html ), you don't see anything on depleted uranium.
#68. To: scrapper2 (#67)
Arator, you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response - ouch, that had to hurt our resident Botbunny's ego.
#69. To: Arator (#65)
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#70. To: Arator (#65)
#71. To: Arator, scrapper2, christine, ALL (#65)
IPPNW: "The fact that military authorities in both the US and NATO advise their own soldiers to take precautions when handling DU munitions and have prepared detailed training manuals and videos to ensure troop safety [12], while issuing blanket denials of health risks to the public, strikes us as hypocritical at the very least, and reinforces our judgment that these weapons should be withdrawn from service."
#72. To: christine, ALL (#66)
damn, that smack was deafening!!!
#73. To: scrapper2 (#67)
you win the highly coveted boozer smack down prize for your quick but ever so lethal response
#74. To: BeAChooser (#71)
#75. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#73)
#76. To: BeAChooser, (#72)
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Don't forget to actually READ post #71, christine.
#77. To: Red Jones, SKYDRIFTER (#74)
so eating depleted uranium is just like eating a vitamin pill. That's great - you satan worshipers can keep it. I advise you to take your depleted uranium pills and shove it up your ... ... face.
#78. To: BeAChooser, robin, Scrapper2, Arator (#47)
Again, Diana, don't you find it curious that NONE of the folks most qualified in the effects of radiation and radioactive materials on humans have joined the anti-DU bandwagon? But just for fun, why don't you give me the name of a PhD physicist who has and a link to what he/she claims. The ball is in your court if you think you actually have an expert.
#79. To: BeAChooser (#73)
#80. To: scrapper2, BeAChooser (#55)
#81. To: Diana, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Kamala, All (#80)
It's that [BAC's] 3 year old mentality at work again, if he doesn't want it to be true, well then in his mind he will make it not true, no matter what.
#82. To: Diana (#79)
Would you be willing to inhale a few grams of DU dust?
#83. To: HOUNDDAWG, Diana (#82)
Would you be willing to inhale a few grams of DU dust?
(About the quote: Speaking on the war in Kosovo.)
#84. To: robin, HOUNDDAWG, BeAChooser (#83)
Still waiting...
#85. To: Diana, robin, HOUNDDAWG, BeAChooser (#84)
Where'd he go?
#86. To: Diana (#84)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47761&Disp=65#C65
#87. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, ALL (#76)
She can't see your posts unless someone quotes you in theirs.
In fact, I can picture a point in the near future when no one replies and you simply don't exist here anymore.
BTW, I'm not going to flag chris because she trusts me and I wouldn't want to quote you then have her read it.
It's a real shame too, because it's a great post!
Although I don't have you blocked I don't read your posts.
So, if you reply to this I probably won't see it unless you can get someone to take pity and flag me and quote your comments to me.
#88. To: Diana, scrapper2, ALL (#80)
However it's now obvious that no matter how much evidence BeAChooser is faced with regarding DU, he will find reasons, no matter how ridiculous, to discredit it as he is unwilling to admit the problem with DU, because for some reason he's unable to accept it.
It's that 3 year old mentality at work again, if he doesn't want it to be true, well then in his mind he will make it not true, no matter what.
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