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Title: Feds say family has no rightful claim to 1933 'double eagle' coins
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.yorkdispatch.com/pennsylvania/ci_5434174
Published: Mar 14, 2007
Author: AP
Post Date: 2007-03-14 15:08:44 by Neil McIver
Keywords: None
Views: 367
Comments: 29

Feds say family has no rightful claim to 1933 'double eagle' coins

MARYCLAIRE DALE The Associated Press Article Last Updated: 03/14/2007 11:44:47 AM EDT

PHILADELPHIA -- A family that asked the U.S. Mint to authenticate 10 extremely rare coins cannot prove they were obtained legally and has no right to them, government lawyers argue in court papers.

The gold coins, 1933 "double eagles" that were never circulated, could be worth millions of dollars apiece. A comparable one sold for $7.59 million in 2002 -- the highest price ever paid for a coin.

Plaintiffs Joan S. Langbord and her two sons say they discovered the cache in 2003 in a safety deposit box belonging to her late father, Philadelphia jeweler Israel Switt.

They approached the Mint the next year and agreed to turn them over to be authenticated, the Langbords say. But the Mint -- after vouching for them -- refuses to return them on grounds they were stolen U.S. property.

"Plaintiffs fail ... to plead any fact to support their implication that Switt legally obtained the 1933 Double Eagles," Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel M. Sweet wrote in the brief filed Friday. "(That) supports a reasonable inference that Switt obtained the Advertisement 1933 Double Eagles knowing that they were stolen property."

Langbord, 76, still works at her father's store on Jeweler's Row, a few blocks from the Mint. She was out of the country Tuesday and could not be reached for comment, a business partner said.

In her December 2006 suit, she and sons Roy Langbord of New York City and David Langbord of Virginia Beach, Va., ask for the return of the coins or a settlement of up to $40 million.

At a minimum, they say, they deserve a trial over the alleged seizure.

Prosecutors argue there was no forfeiture involved because the Langbords never had rightful ownership in the first place.

"A thief cannot convey good title to stolen property," Sweet wrote.

More than 445,000 of the gold double eagles were minted in 1933, but they were melted into gold bars after President Franklin D. Roosevelt took the country off the gold standard.

In 1944, the Secret Service traced 10 separate double eagle coins that had surfaced to Switt. He acknowledged selling nine of the coins but said he did not recall how he had gotten them.

"Every single one of the 1933 Double Eagles traced back to Israel Switt," prosecutors said.

Switt was not prosecuted because the statute of limitations had run out. However, he was convicted of violating the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 in a separate case, and had his license to deal scrap gold -- which involved him with the Mint on occasion -- revoked.

Prosecutors also argue in their brief that someone other than Switt stashed the coins in the bank deposit box. The Wachovia Bank box was rented in 1996, six years after Switt died, they said.

And the family did not list the coins or pay taxes on them when his will was executed, they said.

Roy Langbord, an entertainment lawyer in New York, referred questions to the family's lawyer. His brother did not immediately return messages.

"We strongly disagree with the government's positions, and we're looking forward to making our arguments to the court," said family lawyer Eric Tirschwell.

Double eagles, first struck in 1850, are so named because they had a face value of $20, twice the amount of gold coins known as eagles.

Two of the 1933 coins, which feature a flying eagle on one side and a figure representing liberty on the other, were permitted to be spared from the melting pot and are at the Smithsonian Institution, but a handful of others also mysteriously survived.

The coins at the center of the lawsuit were briefly displayed last year for an American Numismatic Association's convention in Denver. They have been secured at the U.S. Bullion Depository in Fort Knox, Ky.

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#7. To: Neil McIver (#0)

First off- legally their father was never convicted of stealing the coins. So the government referring to the coins as stolen property is not in evidence. They don't have a leg to stand on. But- with judges these days- the Feds don't need a leg to stand on. They are the Feds and they can do what they want.

But neverminding that- what did this family think was going to happen? That the Feds would pat them on the head and give them a certificate of authentification? Geessus. Gubmint aint your friend. It is always the best policy to keep contact with government down to the bare bare minimum- even if your think they can help you in some small way- the potential that they will turn around on you and screw you 10 times harder than you would have benefitted is just too great.

You would think that this family would have been aware of the half dozen cases the Feds have brought against treasure hunters who had retrieved- at great expense of both time and money- sunken treasure from the floor of the oceans. Yup- the feds (and various state governments) have actually laid claims to treasure pulled up off the ocean floor by hunters who have spent their lives looking for these wrecks- that never ever would have been retrieved by the government.

Everyone's policy toward interaction with government should be- to keep it to only what is required or compelled and if you can afford it- to always interface with government through your lawyer- even on small transactions. NEVER volunteer anything to government. Never initiate elective contact with government.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-03-14   17:09:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Burkeman1, HOWNDDAWG, robin, Axenolith, Uncle Bill, Neil McIver, Hmmmmm, MUDDOG, TommyTheMadArtist, ALL (#7) (Edited)

First off- legally their father was never convicted of stealing the coins. So the government referring to the coins as stolen property is not in evidence. They don't have a leg to stand on.

You're right. It also should be taken into consideration that some in the numismatic world have advanced an argument that Switt could have legally obtained the 1933 coins when he was exchanging gold bullion for coins. Although the Mint records clearly show that no 1933 Double Eagles were issued, there were allegedly three weeks in 1933 when new Double Eagles could possibly have been legally obtained. The Mint began striking double eagles on March 15 and Roosevelt's Executive Order to ban them wasn't finalized until April 5. I noticed in the article it says "Plaintiffs fail ... to plead any fact to support their implication that Switt legally obtained the 1933 Double Eagles," Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel M. Sweet wrote in the brief filed Friday. I would definitely be dealing with that situation with the above argument.

Right again.

innieway  posted on  2007-03-15   9:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: innieway, Burkeman1, HOWNDDAWG, robin, Axenolith, Uncle Bill, Neil McIver, Hmmmmm, MUDDOG, TommyTheMadArtist, (#10)

Plaintiffs fail ... to plead any fact to support their implication that Switt legally obtained the 1933 Double Eagles," Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel M. Sweet wrote in the brief filed Friday.

Shouldn't it be that the government has to prove that the coins were obtained illegally, versus their argument that the plaintiffs need to prove they weren't?

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-15   17:25:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#26. To: FormerLurker, Burkeman1 (#24)

Shouldn't it be that the government has to prove that the coins were obtained illegally, versus their argument that the plaintiffs need to prove they weren't?

uh...yeah, you'd think so, wouldn't you? but the truth of the matter is, the government's out to steal your stuff. we'd all do well to follow Burkeman's advice here:

Everyone's policy toward interaction with government should be- to keep it to only what is required or compelled and if you can afford it- to always interface with government through your lawyer- even on small transactions. NEVER volunteer anything to government. Never initiate elective contact with government.

christine  posted on  2007-03-15 17:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#24)

Shouldn't it be that the government has to prove that the coins were obtained illegally,

Only under a constitutional form of government, one like we used to have.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2007-03-15 17:57:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#24)

Shouldn't it be that the government has to prove that the coins were obtained illegally, versus their argument that the plaintiffs need to prove they weren't?

They were never put in circulation. If there was no legal avenue of ownership, then....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-03-15 19:29:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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