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Title: Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad
Source: www.weeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conte ... icles/000/000/013/416urcoa.asp
Published: Mar 17, 2007
Author: William Kristol
Post Date: 2007-03-17 20:20:21 by BeAChooser
Keywords: None
Views: 3429
Comments: 224

Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad

The surge is working--that's what matters.

by William Kristol

03/26/2007, Volume 012, Issue 27

In order to preserve the cosmic harmony, it seems the gods insist that good news in one place be offset by misfortune elsewhere. It may well be that Gen. David Petraeus is going to lead us to victory in Iraq. He is certainly off to a good start. If the karmic price of success in Iraq is utter embarrassment for senior Bush officials in Washington, D.C.--well, in our judgment, the trade-off is worth it. The world will surely note our success or failure in Iraq. It will not long remember the gang that couldn't shoot straight at the Justice Department--or, for that matter, the antics of congressional Democrats--unless either so weakens the administration as to undercut our mission in Iraq.

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad. The cocksure defeatism of war critics of two months ago, when the surge was announced, does seem to have been misplaced. The latest Iraq Update (pdf) by Kimberly Kagan summarizes the early effects of the new strategy backed up by, as yet, just one additional U.S. brigade deployed in theater (with more to be added in the coming weeks):

This "rolling surge" focuses forces on a handful of neighborhoods in Baghdad, and attempts to expand security out from those neighborhoods. . . . A big advantage of a "rolling surge" is that the population and the enemy sense the continuous pressure of ever-increasing forces. Iraqis have not seen such a prolonged and continuous planned increase of U.S. forces before. . . . The continued, increasing presence of U.S. forces appears to be having an important psychological, as well as practical, effect on the enemy and the people of Iraq. . . . [Meanwhile] in Ramadi, in the belt south of Baghdad stretching from Yusifiyah to Salman Pak, and northeast in Diyala Province, . . . U.S. and Iraqi forces have deprived al Qaeda of the initiative.

This sense of momentum is confirmed by many other reports in the media, and from Americans and Iraqis on the ground.

But back in Washington, congressional Democrats are still mired in the fall of 2006 and seem determined to be as irresponsible as ever. They're being beaten back--in part thanks to the fighting spirit of stalwart congressional Republicans. Last week, the Senate defeated a resolution that would have restricted the use of U.S. troops in Iraq and set March 31, 2008, as a target date for removing U.S. forces from combat.

On the same day, on a mostly party-line vote, the House Appropriations Committee reported out the Democratic version of a supplemental appropriations bill for the war. It was an odd piece of legislation--an appropriation to fight a war replete with provisions intended to ensure we lose it.

Here's what the Democratic legislation does, according to the Washington Post: "Under the House bill, the Iraqi government would have to meet strict benchmarks. . . . If by July 1 the president could not certify any progress, U.S. troops would begin leaving Iraq, to be out before the end of this year. If Bush did certify progress, the Iraqi government would have until Oct. 1 to meet the benchmarks, or troops would begin withdrawing then. In any case, withdrawals would have to begin by March 1, 2008, and conclude by the end of that summer."

Got that? Oh yes, in addition to the arbitrary timelines for the removal of troops, there's pork. As the Post explains, "Included in the legislation is a lot of money to help win support. The price tag exceeds the president's war request by $24 billion." Some of the extra money goes to bail out spinach farmers hurt by E. coli, to pay for peanut storage, and to provide additional office space for the lawmakers themselves. So much for an emergency war appropriations bill.

The legislation may collapse on the floor of the House this week. It certainly deserves to. Republicans can insist on a clean supplemental--no timelines to reassure the enemy that if they just hang on, we'll be gone before long, and no pork. They can win this fight--and if they do, combined with progress in Iraq, the lasting news from March 2007 will not be Bush administration haplessness; it will be that we are on the way to success in Iraq.

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#16. To: BeAChooser, All (#0)

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad.

Those ever-optimistic neocons!

When/if they bring the troops home, no matter the circumstances, we will be told we won the war, we were victorious.

The many paralells between our neocon's and the old Soviet leader's behaviors and mindset never cease to amaze me.

A truth and a lie make little difference, only agenda matters.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-17   21:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Diana, ALL (#16)

A truth and a lie make little difference, only agenda matters.

Says someone who accepts the lies when it comes to bombs in the WTC, no Flight 77, John Hopkins' claiming 655,000 Iraqi dead and DU is the scourge of the millennium.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:50:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BeAChooser (#20)

DU is the scourge of the millennium.

I simply said to ingest it causes health problems which is already known and well-documented.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-17   21:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Diana, ALL (#24)

I simply said to ingest it causes health problems

You've done more than that, Diana.

One need only read this thread

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47761&SC=1&EC=40#C1

to see that.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:04:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: BeAChooser, Diana (#26)

So Ooser, are you again trying to pass off Depleted Uranium (you know, the stuff that's contaminated with highly radioactive Plutonium and Transuranics) as being safe as cotton candy?

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-17   22:19:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#34)

So Ooser, are you again trying to pass off Depleted Uranium (you know, the stuff that's contaminated with highly radioactive Plutonium and Transuranics) as being safe as cotton candy?

So, FormerLurker, are you again trying strawmen instead of facts?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:24:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: BeAChooser (#37)

So, FormerLurker, are you again trying strawmen instead of facts?

And what strawman would that be BAC? You wish a link that describes the transuranics and how they got there?

DU Contaminated With Plutonium and Neptunium

From The quantitative analysis of depleted uranium isotopes in British, Canadian, and U.S. Gulf War veterans.

Weyman's is one of a few texts drawing attention to the extreme hazard of nuclear waste recycled into uranium alloys for manufacture of "conventional" weapons. The most hazardous additive are so-called transuranics, which are tens of thousands of times more radioactive than pure Depleted Uranium (DU, mostly Uranium 238, some U234 and 235) or pure, Non-Depleted Uranium (Virgin Uranium):

"The contents of recycled uranium are exponentially more radioactive than pure, Virgin Uranium and pure Depleted Uranium. This mix of materials contains “transuranic elements, fission products, spent fuel products and nuclear activation products” of plutonium 239, 241, 242, uranium-236, and neptunium (and a host of other elements...)

...Both independent and government radiological analyses of DU penetrators collected from DU[21] battlefields have detected trace amounts of transuranics, including plutonium-239 in the metal. Independent studies have detected traces of uranium-236 in veterans’ urine; adding a new dimension to the inhalational exposure risks to veterans from recycled uranium elements."

From US Dirty Bombs: Radioactive Shells Spiked with Plutonium

The discovery of uranium-236 contamination in spent munitions used against Kosovo revealed that the DU was not obtained before the nuclear reaction process. The Pentagon, NATO and the British Ministry of Defense have always downplayed the danger of DU saying it was "less radioactive than uranium ore." But at least half of the DU (250,000 metric tons) is now known to have been left over from the reprocessing of irradiated reactor fuel (done to extract weapons-grade plutonium), leaving it salted with fission products.(18)

"If it has been through a reactor, it does change our idea on depleted uranium," says Dr. Michael Repacholi of the World Health Organization, which has demanded to know how much plutonium is in DU ammunition. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is still working on an answer to that question.

As early as January 2000, the DOE admitted that its DU munitions are spiked with plutonium, neptunium and americium – "transuranic" (heavier than uranium) fission wastes from inside nuclear reactors.(19) The health consequences here are fearsome: americium -- with a half-life of 7,300 years -- decays to plutonium-239, which is more radioactive than the original americium.

DU "contains a trace amount of plutonium," said the DOE’s Assistant Secretary David Michaels, who wrote to the Military Toxics Project's Tara Thornton January 20, 2000. "Recycled uranium, which came straight from one of our production sites, e.g. Hanford [Reservation, in Richland, Washington], would routinely contain transuranics at a very low level...." Michaels wrote. "We have initiated a project to characterize the level of transuranics in the various depleted uranium inventories," he said.

Dr. Von Hippel says in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that plutonium-239 is 200,000 times more radioactive than U-238. Plutonium "is probably the most carcinogenic substance known," according to Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER, writing in his 1992 book Plutonium.

International Physicians Against DU

On the DU-Watch list on February 19th, 2001, renowned anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott wrote about the “impure” contents of DU in armour and bullets:

However there is another transuranic element like plutonium and as deadly called neptunium which is present in much higher concentrations [...] This material was mixed with contaminants that came from the reprocessed uranium from military reactors. The concentrations were as follows: uranium 236 – 188,000 parts per billion, technetium 99 – 270,000 parts per billion, neptunium 237 – 19,600 ppb, plutonium 238 – 0.0055 ppb and plutonium 239 – 124 ppb, americium – 0.43 ppb.

1 ppb is one part per billion, i.e. per one thousand million parts. Summing up, DU contains transuranics in the amount of almost 500,000 parts per billion, or 500 parts per million (ppm). The British nuclear physicist Sir Brian Flowers had grave concerns about plutonium in a 1976 UK Royal Commission report. Dr. Gordon Edwards from Project Ploughshares wrote in Plutonium, anyone? in the spring 1995 issue of The Ploughshares Monitor:

A person inhaling a few micrograms of plutonium [...] is likely to develop a fatal lung cancer 10 or 20 years after exposure, as some of the cells damaged by alpha radiation begin to multiply uncontrollably.

One microgram is one-millionth of a gram, that is, one milligram has one thousand micrograms. Dr. Edwards also wrote:

A person who inhales just a few milligrams of plutonium -- a barely visible speck -- will die in a matter of months due to massive fibrosis of the lungs as delicate lung tissues, bombarded by alpha radiation, develop scar tissue, choking off oxygen to the blood. Death follows from a kind of internal asphyxiation.

So if all “impure” specks of DU dust were ingested or inhaled, they alone could kill millions of people. The longer the deadly particles will linger unchecked for generations, the more chance that they would be taken in. Once inside the body, they work diligently at destroying cells and DNA.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-17   22:41:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#41)

What's the problem, Formerlurker?

Give up on Rokke?

DU Contaminated With Plutonium and Neptunium

That link quote or link the views of any health physicists? No???

From The quantitative analysis of depleted uranium isotopes in British, Canadian, and U.S. Gulf War veterans.

http://hps.org/documents/dufactsheet.pdf

The Pentagon, NATO and the British Ministry of Defense have always downplayed the danger of DU saying it was "less radioactive than uranium ore."

IPPNW: http://www.ippnw.org/DUStatement.html "peer-reviewed studies of health effects from natural uranium exposure are weighted against the probability that DU exposure, in and of itself, is likely to have caused an increase in leukemias or other cancers in the relatively short time since it has been dispersed in the Balkans environment"

On the DU-Watch list on February 19th, 2001, renowned anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott wrote about the “impure” contents of DU in armour and bullets:

"World Health Organization fact sheet on Depleted Uranium (Fact Sheet No. 257, updated January 2003)"

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   23:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: BeAChooser (#55)

Give up on Rokke?

He's just one of many voices that speak the truth BAC. Something you wouldn't know much about.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-17   23:42:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#60)

"Give up on Rokke?"

He's just one of many voices that speak the truth BAC.

Like telling audiences that he is a health physicist when, in fact, he is not?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   0:49:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: BeAChooser (#65)

Like telling audiences that he is a health physicist when, in fact, he is not?

Well here's what Dr. Rokke has to say about DU.

Dr. Doug Rokke Address on Depleted Uranium

He says that he SERVED for the US Army as a health physicist. Do you have any evidence that he didn't?

Regardless, it doesn't remove the transuranics from the DU the military is using as ammunition, does it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-18   2:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#87)

Dr. Doug Rokke Address on Depleted Uranium

He says that he SERVED for the US Army as a health physicist. Do you have any evidence that he didn't?

We've been over this numerous times before. Why do you pretend ignorance?

To begin with, Doug Rokke was NOT a health physicist. He has a degree in EDUCATION. His calling himself a "health physicist" is like a garbage man calling himself a sanitation engineer. Nor did he get a degree in physics per se. And certainly not nuclear physics. He LIED about his credentials.

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http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

Comments by Dr. Otto Raabe, Health Physicist, in regard to Doug Rokke

The following text was published on the Radsafe list. It is from Dr. Otto Raabe, former President of the Health Physics Society. Dr. Raabe has far more education and experience in Health Physics than Doug Rokke.

November 26, 2002 Davis, CA

Last night I went to hear Doug Rokke's performance at the Davis Community Church concerning the "poisoning of whole nations by the use of DU munitions by the U.S. military". In his talk Rokke made numerous technical errors concerning uranium toxicology and health physics including saying that a beta dose to the skin of 300 mrem exceeded the standard for whole body exposure. I strongly objected to his misrepresentation of the DU toxicology facts during the comment period. I think my objections fell on closed minds, however, since this was a cultist group of "peace activists" who think disarmament of our nation will lead to peace. Rokke's stated purpose is to get the U.S. to stop using some of our best field weapons that employ DU projectiles.

Rokke's performance was clever and polished. I think he has had professional drama coaching. Not since Helen Caldicott have I heard such masterful manipulation of the audience. He credited himself at every turn with being highly principled while always casting the U.S. military as nefarious and cold-blooded. He claimed he was fired by the government because of his dedication to health and safety.

Much of his talk involved references to toxic chemicals released by our military action in the Gulf War, contaminated food provided by the Saudis, and claimed poisoning of people by DU dust. He said he was a "health physicist" (BAC - which proves Rokke is the ultimate source of the lies identified in this post) and implied that he had a Ph.D. in physics by reference to being in his "physics lab" while working on his doctorate. Actually, his doctorate is in "Education Methodology", which I got him to admit during the questioning. He is certainly not a qualified health physicist. According to reliable sources, he is currently a substitute teacher in a middle school in Urbana, Illinois, and a director of a children's camp in the summers (BAC - this pro-Rokke source, http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/Rokke-Depleted-Uranium-DU21apr03.htm, confirms that).

Rokke said that in the Gulf War he was the "Director of the Army Depleted Uranium Project," and that virtually everyone who worked on the project was sick from exposure to DU. The diseases and ailments that he claimed for DU conflict with 50 years of research on DU toxicology and with the findings of the Department Defence who are carefully evaluating military personnel who were exposed to high levels of airborne DU aerosols. See http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/du_ii

Unfortunately, the audience of about 100 people were enthralled with Rokke and angry with me for objecting to his erroneous statements and misrepresentation, but I think it was important to cast some doubt on this charlatans's proclamations.

Otto

Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D. CHP
Center for Health and the Environment
University of California, Davis, CA 95616

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And he LIED about his role in Iraq.

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http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

30 Dead or Zero Dead?

Military Spokesman Contradicts Fatalities Claim by Doug Rokke

I recently received an email (indirectly) from a military source having the following email address: (special.assistant@deploymenthealth.osd.mil)

The gist of the email is that Doug Rokke's claims about the health effects in members of his gulf war clean up team are not accurate. I decided to see what I could find on the Internet about those claims before posting this government response. The most common claim, attributed to Doug Rokke, is that 30 members of his "100 member team" have died, with the implication being that the death was from depleted uranium. Here is a typical quote where the information seems to come from Doug Rokke. This article is by Larry Johnson in the Seattle Post - Intelligencer but it is certainly not the only one as there appear to be dozens of similar texts on the Internet:

"Rokke and his primary team of about 100 performed their cleanup task without any specialized training or protective gear. Today, Rokke said, at least 30 members of the team are dead, and most of the others -- including Rokke -- have serious health problems".

... snip ...

.........................................................

The following information from the military "Special Assistant on Deployment Health" paints a quite different picture. Unless Rokke can come up with the names of most of the 30 who he alleges have died, I will have to believe the government information, rather than Rokke's claim. Rokke seems to have exaggerated both his role and the number of people who have died since the cleanup. Here is the email from the official government source:

We can offer some accurate information to correct the record. Rokke is a private citizen and does not represent the Department of Defense. Following the ground war, Rokke was attached for duty to assist technical experts in the recovery and decontamination of radioactive material and equipment. The team of approximately 10 people was led, not by Rokke, but by a civilian from the Army Munitions and Chemical Command (AMCCOM). Rokke's primary role was to facilitate the recovery operations by ensuring the team had the proper support. Over the past years, Doug Rokke has reported varying numbers of ill or dead members of "his team." These claims have been researched and are unsubstantiated.

In 1998, our office compiled a list of 29 names of people Rokke reported to be on "his team." Staff members were able to interview 22 of them. Approximately 15 of the 29 people Doug Rokke had identified as being on "his team" actually worked on DU-contaminated vehicles. Two of the 29 had died, however, in interviews with the others, neither of these two veterans was named as having worked with depleted uranium. While we respect Rokke's right to express his opinions, the fact that he presents himself as an expert, does not make it so. His role in the Gulf War and at the Chemical School, as well as the specifics of his educational background, do not qualify him as a depleted uranium expert. These areas fall well outside of his area of expertise and responsibility.

End of quote.

My comments: It seems that as of 1998, not a single member of the team had died of exposure to uranium, contrary to Rokke's claim. Before posting the above text, I contacted Doug Rokke and asked him to comment on this material. He refused to say anything in support of his earlier claim that 30 people had died from his organization and instead showed an intense desire to change the subject.

*******************

From this Australian government document:

House:Legislative Council Statement

Date Wednesday, 13 August 2003

... snip

Lancelin Defence Training Area

HON FRANK HOUGH (Agricultural) [5.39 pm]: In early July I was made aware of a brochure that was being circulated in Lancelin by the Greens (WA), which was titled “Depleted Uranium: The Silent Killer”. I listened to the Liam Bartlett show on the radio and heard people say that their property values had halved because the Americans were using bombs with uranium tips in Lancelin, which would contaminate the water. I obtained a copy of the brochure issued by Hon Dee Margetts. It states that Dr Doug Rokke, a United States expert on depleted uranium, visited Lancelin on 6 July 2003. It also states, in part -

"Dr Rokke was a major in the US Army and former head of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium Project, responsible for training US personnel in preparation for Gulf War I in terms of their exposure to environmental hazards including radiation. Dr Rokke holds a PhD in Philosophy and a Master of Science."

I was rather annoyed when I read that. It was obviously based on information the member received and not from either Senator Robert Hill or the United States Consul General in Perth, Oscar De Soto. I took the time to write to Oscar De Soto and Senator Robert Hill. My letter to the Consul General states, in part -

"I am writing to seek the Consulates assurance that the United States of America has not used and will not use Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions at the Lancelin Defence Training Area (LTDA) in Western Australia."

I received a reply from the Consul General this morning. It states -

QUOTE: "Thank you for your letter dated July 17 regarding Depleted Uranium . . . Firstly, let me make clear that the United States, as a matter of policy and practicality, does not use DU munitions at the Australian Lancelin Defence Forces range. DU munitions are seldom used in training anywhere because they are too costly to expend for training. Furthermore, the U.S. military uses the Lancelin Range only infrequently, and only by invitation of the Australian Government. When U.S. forces use the range, it is always jointly with Australia and in compliance with all Australian laws and environmental rules. The U.S. military utilizes Australian environmentalist planners on each and every use. Secondly, Dr. Doug Rokke has made exaggerated and untrue claims during his visit to Australia. Dr. Rokke has exaggerated his background. He is not, and has never been “the foremost U.S. military expert on DU,” as he was described in the June 18th Canberra Times. He is not a medical doctor. His Ph.D is in education. He earned a Ph.D in Science/Technology Education from the University of Illinois, Urbana in 1992."

If he was finishing his PhD in 1992 he was certainly not, as Hon Dee Margetts claims, running the Gulf War as a major in 1991. He was still at university. The letter continues -

QUOTE: "Dr. Rokke did not join the U.S. as a medical officer in 1967, as reported in the Canberra Times. He joined as an airman, an avionics technician. According to the Department of Defense, Dr. Rokke was not “in charge of cleaning up radioactive waste” after the 1991 Gulf War, as was described in a June 18th ABC broadcast. As a First Lieutenant, Dr. Rokke was assigned to the 12th Preventative Medical Detachment of the 330th Medical Brigade prior to and during the war. There were 66 people assigned to the unit; he was the most junior of 14 officers."

He was one level from being a gopher! He was a junior lieutenant. That is a long way from being a major. They have different pips. He may not have been able to distinguish them! The letter continues -

QUOTE: "Initially, he was responsible for conducting nuclear, biological and chemical training."

Hon Peter Foss: He sounds like a fraud.

Hon FRANK HOUGH: He does. Others sell snake oil. They get carried away. What is worse is that they get mixed up with the Greens (WA) and try to pull the wool over our eyes. I know I could go to America and become Surgeon General and an honorary brigadier and take people for a ride. The people in Lancelin should not be subject to charlatans who tell them their water is full of depleted uranium. The letter from the Consul General concludes -

QUOTE: "In closing, let me reiterate that the U.S. military does not use DU munitions in Lancelin. I urge you to share this information with your constituents and other Members of Parliament. . . . Yours sincerely, Oscar De Soto, Consul General of the United States of America"

I spoke to the consulate office this morning and I was guaranteed the information is very accurate. The consulate probably has a system linked with the Central Intelligence Agency to pull the records. The details of the letter were not made up overnight. The Consul General took three and a half weeks to research the situation. He was quite clear in determining the facts. Another part of the letter states -

QUOTE: "While Dr. Rokke presents himself as an expert, this does not make it so. His role in the 1991 Gulf War, at the US Army Chemical School, and his educational background do not qualify him as an expert on the purported health effects of depleted uranium. . . . It is important to make a clear-cut distinction between Dr. Rokke’s technical qualifications and those of certified medical health physicists who are qualified to assess the medical implications of radiation exposures."

The member should apologise to the people of Lancelin. She has been badly misinformed and badly misinformed them. She should write to the Consul General and apologise sincerely for having a go at the US Navy. We have enough problems with trying to establish relationships with other countries without having to deal with this type of rubbish. If she is not prepared to do that, she should enjoy life as something other than a parliamentarian. She is abdicating her responsibilities by putting out this type of rubbish and putting fear in the hearts of people who live in the broader community. This is one of the ploys that people work through. Another part of the letter states -

QUOTE: "Regarding allegations in the pamphlet that the U.S. Navy plans to establish a permanent base at Cockburn Sound in Western Australia as part of the Sea Swap program, I can confirm the United States has no plans to establish a base in Western Australia or anywhere else in Australia. The Australian Marine Complex at Cockburn Sound is a Western Australian public-private commercial project. If the U.S. Navy uses the Complex for maintenance, it will be on the same terms as any other customer. That Dr. Rokke’s baseless claims regarding DU are associated with the U.S. Navy’s activities in Western Australia appear aimed at provoking anxiety and perpetuating disinformation in the community."

I am extremely annoyed. I think I have contained myself very well. I have been rather humble and subtle in this because this type of rubbish has got to cease. People must not go to the broader community rumour mongering and making up stories for the betterment of their own. I often see the fairy-floss dancers on the sand hills at Lancelin at night dropping petals. I have people ringing me saying their house at Lancelin has halved in value. These are the people they appeal to. I hope my house at Lancelin has not halved in value, because I know who I will be chasing for the other half of the value. I believe the member might be getting a pay rise!

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http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/0311/msg00401.html

Dear Editor:

I thought that you might want to correct some errors and false implications in your article, "Nuclear physicist to give presentation on weapons at Franklin College."

Doug Rokke is a retired U.S. Army Reserve major. He did not retire from the Regular Army. He is not old enough to collect his Army Reserve retirement pay.

He is not a nuclear physicist and he is not a health physicist. He is occasionally employed as a substitute teacher. It appears his primary function is to travel around the world getting paid for speaking against depleted uranium.

He was not a director of the U.S. Army depleted-uranium project. No such project with that name ever existed. In addition, he was not a director of anything else as far as I know.

He is a Gulf War veteran, not a Gulf War combat veteran. He was never involved in combat.

As background information, I am a nuclear physicist and a health physicist, have been a director, am retired from the Regular Army, and was in combat in Vietnam. I do not consider Rokke my peer in any of those areas.

I realize that you were passing on information given to you to publicize the event. Hopefully, my corrections will indicate that the speaker has an agenda that tends to ignore the facts.

Robert Cherry, Ph.D Certified Health Physicist Colonel, U.S. Army (retired)

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He LIED, FormerLurker. About virtually everything.

But you insist on believing him. On citing him as an expert.

What does that say about you?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   14:26:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#113. To: BeAChooser (#106)

What does that say about you?

You're the one that brought up Rokke, not I. My original post was well sourced material indicating that the DU used in munitions is contaminated with highly radioactive transuranic elements, including plutonium, neptunium, U-239, U-236, and others.

My post had nothing to do with Rokke, it is you that used him as a straw man. Additionally, I'm not so sure if your "sources" are credible as much of what you posted is based on anonymous sources, or people that are not speaking officially for the US Army. And BTW, there is no such rank in the Army as a "junior lieutenant", as one of your sources claimed Rokke to be. It is either 2nd lieutenant or 1st lieutenant.

So what's all that say about YOU, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-18 16:35:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: BeAChooser (#106)

Rokke's stated purpose is to get the U.S. to stop using some of our best field weapons that employ DU projectiles.

They're not the "best" weapons when they poison the people that use them.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-18 16:38:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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