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Title: Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad
Source: www.weeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conte ... icles/000/000/013/416urcoa.asp
Published: Mar 17, 2007
Author: William Kristol
Post Date: 2007-03-17 20:20:21 by BeAChooser
Keywords: None
Views: 3451
Comments: 224

Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad

The surge is working--that's what matters.

by William Kristol

03/26/2007, Volume 012, Issue 27

In order to preserve the cosmic harmony, it seems the gods insist that good news in one place be offset by misfortune elsewhere. It may well be that Gen. David Petraeus is going to lead us to victory in Iraq. He is certainly off to a good start. If the karmic price of success in Iraq is utter embarrassment for senior Bush officials in Washington, D.C.--well, in our judgment, the trade-off is worth it. The world will surely note our success or failure in Iraq. It will not long remember the gang that couldn't shoot straight at the Justice Department--or, for that matter, the antics of congressional Democrats--unless either so weakens the administration as to undercut our mission in Iraq.

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad. The cocksure defeatism of war critics of two months ago, when the surge was announced, does seem to have been misplaced. The latest Iraq Update (pdf) by Kimberly Kagan summarizes the early effects of the new strategy backed up by, as yet, just one additional U.S. brigade deployed in theater (with more to be added in the coming weeks):

This "rolling surge" focuses forces on a handful of neighborhoods in Baghdad, and attempts to expand security out from those neighborhoods. . . . A big advantage of a "rolling surge" is that the population and the enemy sense the continuous pressure of ever-increasing forces. Iraqis have not seen such a prolonged and continuous planned increase of U.S. forces before. . . . The continued, increasing presence of U.S. forces appears to be having an important psychological, as well as practical, effect on the enemy and the people of Iraq. . . . [Meanwhile] in Ramadi, in the belt south of Baghdad stretching from Yusifiyah to Salman Pak, and northeast in Diyala Province, . . . U.S. and Iraqi forces have deprived al Qaeda of the initiative.

This sense of momentum is confirmed by many other reports in the media, and from Americans and Iraqis on the ground.

But back in Washington, congressional Democrats are still mired in the fall of 2006 and seem determined to be as irresponsible as ever. They're being beaten back--in part thanks to the fighting spirit of stalwart congressional Republicans. Last week, the Senate defeated a resolution that would have restricted the use of U.S. troops in Iraq and set March 31, 2008, as a target date for removing U.S. forces from combat.

On the same day, on a mostly party-line vote, the House Appropriations Committee reported out the Democratic version of a supplemental appropriations bill for the war. It was an odd piece of legislation--an appropriation to fight a war replete with provisions intended to ensure we lose it.

Here's what the Democratic legislation does, according to the Washington Post: "Under the House bill, the Iraqi government would have to meet strict benchmarks. . . . If by July 1 the president could not certify any progress, U.S. troops would begin leaving Iraq, to be out before the end of this year. If Bush did certify progress, the Iraqi government would have until Oct. 1 to meet the benchmarks, or troops would begin withdrawing then. In any case, withdrawals would have to begin by March 1, 2008, and conclude by the end of that summer."

Got that? Oh yes, in addition to the arbitrary timelines for the removal of troops, there's pork. As the Post explains, "Included in the legislation is a lot of money to help win support. The price tag exceeds the president's war request by $24 billion." Some of the extra money goes to bail out spinach farmers hurt by E. coli, to pay for peanut storage, and to provide additional office space for the lawmakers themselves. So much for an emergency war appropriations bill.

The legislation may collapse on the floor of the House this week. It certainly deserves to. Republicans can insist on a clean supplemental--no timelines to reassure the enemy that if they just hang on, we'll be gone before long, and no pork. They can win this fight--and if they do, combined with progress in Iraq, the lasting news from March 2007 will not be Bush administration haplessness; it will be that we are on the way to success in Iraq.

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#1. To: BeAChooser (#0)

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad. The cocksure defeatism of war critics of two months ago, when the surge was announced, does seem to have been misplaced.

fuck you and your lying douchebag hero, asshole.

Roundup of violence in Iraq -- March 17, 2007

By Sahar Issa

McClatchy Newspapers

The daily Iraq violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It’s posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy’s Washington Bureau.

Baghdad

-- 8:00 am: 2 killed in Baia. The Security Officer (Lieutenant Colonel) of The Directorate of Education of Al-Karkh Al-Thania, and his deputy (First Lieutenant), were both shot by gunmen as they were on their way to work and killed.

-- 01:45 pm: A suicide bomber driving a dark car targeted the checkpoint in Kindi Street, Al-Harthiya, west Baghdad. The checkpoint is manned by Iraqi National Police and the explosion killed 2 civilians and 1 policeman, wounding 2 civilians and 3 policemen.

-- 3:00 p.m. Two civilians were injured when a road side bomb exploded in Al Sileikh area.

-- 4:45 p.m. A mortar shell landed on a house in Al Madaen, south east of Baghdad. The shelling claimed the life of 2 residents and injured 15.

-- 4:45 p.m. a road side bomb targeting civilians in Al Khadraa neighborhood, west Baghdad. One civilian was killed.

At sunset gunmen raided a Sunni mosque in Dora and bombed the mosque.

-- Police found 19 unidentified bodies throughout Baghdad in the following neighborhood: 6 bodies in Amil, 4 bodies in Yarmouk, 3 bodies in Shoala, 2 bodies in Ghazaliya, 2 bodies in Jihad and 2 bodies in Ur.

Tikrit -- 09:00 am: Police Force Lieutenant Colonel killed on his way to work in the Directorate of Inter-urban Motorways, 7 km to the east of Tikrit by gunmen driving a recent vintage Toyota.

Hilla -- 08:30 am: IED explodes targeting a patrol of the Scorpion Force, killing one and wounding four in Nadir district in Hilla.

Diyala

-- Insugents Killed 5 civilians. In the town of Khalis, (20 km to the north of Baqouba) a group of insurgents attacked a fish farm in the district of Beni Saad. The owner of the farm, his father, their two partners (brothers) and a farm hand were killed and thrown to the fish in the fish pond.

-- In the area of Imam Mohammed Al-Sakran, not far from Beni Saad, another group assassinated 3 civilians. It is noteworthy to mention that this is the second operation carried out by insurgents, after they assassinated the workers and guards of a petrol station on Wednesday last, who were five.

Samarra

-- IED explodes in a market place, Meryem, in the centre of the city and kills 2 civilians, early this morning.

hammerdown  posted on  2007-03-17   20:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hammerdown (#1)

fuck you and your lying douchebag hero, asshole.

Thank you for demonstrating the type of *debate* 4um members often employ.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BeAChooser (#0)

Weekly Standard...

Proudly bearing the neozio war mongering standard.

BAC - come on - weekly standard? I would have hoped even you might have matured to reading a news source less TelAviv inspired...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   21:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BeAChooser (#2)

hammerdown  posted on  2007-03-17   21:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BeAChooser (#2)

LOL, doofus, it get's your attentention, Now let's go attack some Serbs, nigger! Come On! Do it!

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BeAChooser (#0)

PNAC ring leader William Kristol confronted on 9/11

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-03-17   21:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#3)

Proudly bearing the neozio war mongering standard.


Eeeek!

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:32:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BeAChooser (#2)

*debate*

the only debate here is your chromosomal deficiency.

hammerdown  posted on  2007-03-17   21:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BeAChooser (#2)

Thank you for demonstrating

care to trade places with my son, Mr, Fuckin' Badass?

hammerdown  posted on  2007-03-17   21:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hammerdown, BeAChooser (#8)

LOL, BaChooser is pretty godamned stupid now that I think about it...Who else would worship George "Dickhead" Bush?

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2, ALL (#3)

Proudly bearing the neozio war mongering standard.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_security "Bomb deaths have gone down 30 percent in Baghdad since the U.S.-led security crackdown began a month ago. Execution-style slayings are down by nearly half. The once frequent sound of weapons has been reduced to episodic, and downtown shoppers have returned to outdoor markets — favored targets of car bombers."

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#0)

They're sending the requested 3,000 on top of the 21,000 Bush requested - some sign of "progress."

What't the deal, do they want to test the gas masks for chlorine?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-17   21:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hammerdown, ALL (#8)

the only debate here is your chromosomal deficiency.

From reuters, "BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Civilian deaths and car bombs have fallen sharply in Baghdad since a U.S.-backed crackdown began a month ago, but attacks outside the capital were rising as militants change tactics, Iraqi officials said on Wednesday. In an upbeat assessment of the first 30 days of the security plan, Iraqi military spokesman Brigadier Qassim Moussawi said the number of Iraqis killed by violence in Baghdad since February 14 was 265, down from 1,440 killed in the previous month. The number of car bombings, a favourite weapon used by suspected Sunni Arab militants fighting the Shi'ite-led government, was down to 36 from 56, Moussawi told reporters."

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hammerdown, ALL (#9)

care to trade places with my son, Mr, Fuckin' Badass?

If your son is in Iraq, HE has my respect.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BeAChooser (#13)

Why don't you sign up, go to Bagdad?

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BeAChooser, All (#0)

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad.

Those ever-optimistic neocons!

When/if they bring the troops home, no matter the circumstances, we will be told we won the war, we were victorious.

The many paralells between our neocon's and the old Soviet leader's behaviors and mindset never cease to amaze me.

A truth and a lie make little difference, only agenda matters.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-17   21:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BeAChooser (#14)

Help me steal the Litani River, hater.

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: scrapper2 (#3)

a news source less TelAviv inspired...

Inspired? Nah. Transcribed.

duckhunter  posted on  2007-03-17   21:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BeAChooser (#11)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_security

From the same yahoo news article you quoted:

But while many Iraqis are encouraged, they remain skeptical how long the relative calm will last. Each bombing renews fears that the horror is returning. Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents are still around, perhaps just laying low or hiding outside the city until the operation is over.

U.S. military officials, burned before by overly optimistic forecasts, have been cautious about declaring the operation a success. Another reason it seems premature: only two of the five U.S. brigades earmarked for the mission are in the streets, and the full compliment of American reinforcements is not due until late May.

In the months before the security operation began Feb. 14, police were finding dozens of bodies each day in the capital — victims of Sunni and Shiite death squads. Last December, more than 200 bodies were found each week — with the figure spiking above 300 in some weeks, according to police reports compiled by The Associated Press.

Since the crackdown began, weekly totals have dropped to about 80 — hardly an acceptable figure but clearly a sign that death squads are no longer as active as they were in the final months of last year.

In the 27 days leading up to the operation, 528 people were killed in bombings around the capital, according to AP figures. In the first 27 days of the operation, the bombing death toll stood at 370 — a drop of about 30 percent.

Figures alone won't tell the story. In Vietnam, generals kept pointing to enemy body counts to promote a picture of success even when many U.S. soldiers and civilian officials realized the effort was doomed.

True success will be when Iraqis themselves begin to feel safe and gain confidence in their government and security forces. Only then can the economy, long on its heels and with unemployment estimated between 25 and 40 percent, rebound and start providing jobs and a future for Baghdad's people.

A long-term solution also must deal with the militias that sprang up after the ouster of Saddam Hussein.

Much of the relative calm may be due to a decision by Shiite cleric Muqtada al- Sadr to remove his armed militiamen, known as the Mahdi Army, from the streets. Al-Maliki warned the young cleric that he could not protect them from the Americans during the offensive.

U.S. troops rolled into the Mahdi stronghold of Sadr City on March 4 without firing a shot — a radical change from street battles there in 2004.

Some Mahdi Army fighters may have left the city. But Iraqis who live in Shiite neighborhoods say many others are still around, collecting protection money from shopkeepers and keeping tabs on people — albeit without their guns.

When American patrols pass by, Mahdi members step into shops or disappear into crowds until the U.S. troops are gone. Sunni militants remain in some areas of the city too, although last year's sectarian bloodletting drove many Sunnis from their traditional neighborhoods, depriving extremists of a support network.

If militants from both sects are indeed lying low, that suggests they may have adopted a strategy of waiting until the security operation is over, then re- emerging to fight each other for control of the capital.

But positive trends in Iraq have proven hard to sustain. Hopes for reconciliation are quickly shattered. There have been a series of failed security initiatives.

With so many uncertainties, public opinion appears mixed.

"We gain nothing from this government. No change," said Abu Zeinab, a Shiite father of two in Baghdad's Hurriyah district. "Today is like yesterday. What is the difference?"

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   21:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Diana, ALL (#16)

A truth and a lie make little difference, only agenda matters.

Says someone who accepts the lies when it comes to bombs in the WTC, no Flight 77, John Hopkins' claiming 655,000 Iraqi dead and DU is the scourge of the millennium.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: scrapper2, ALL (#19)

But while many Iraqis are encouraged, they remain skeptical how long the relative calm will last. Each bombing renews fears that the horror is returning. Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents are still around, perhaps just laying low or hiding outside the city until the operation is over.

If the media had reported WW2 the way they've reported this war, we'd have lost WW2.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BeAChooser (#21)

How long have you been addicted to opiates?

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   21:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BeAChooser (#20)

Says someone who accepts the lies when it comes to bombs in the WTC, no Flight 77, John Hopkins' claiming 655,000 Iraqi dead and DU is the scourge of the millennium.

Again, can you find the posts where I wrote of the bombs placed in the WTC?

I'd like to see them since you've mentioned them before, I must've misremembered writing those posts so I'd like to get a reminder so that would be great if you can dig them up, thanks!

Diana  posted on  2007-03-17   21:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BeAChooser (#20)

DU is the scourge of the millennium.

I simply said to ingest it causes health problems which is already known and well-documented.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-17   21:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Diana, ALL (#23)

Again, can you find the posts where I wrote of the bombs placed in the WTC?

Can you show us the posts where you've challenged the bombs in the WTC assertions? You've certainly been on enough threads where this was being discussed to have done so by now. So can you?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Diana, ALL (#24)

I simply said to ingest it causes health problems

You've done more than that, Diana.

One need only read this thread

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47761&SC=1&EC=40#C1

to see that.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: BeAChooser (#21)

If the media had reported WW2 the way they've reported this war, we'd have lost WW2.

Psst....if the internet were around in 1941 the American public would have known quickly that FDR was aware - or should have been aware - of the Japanese attack on PH. He, like all good internationalists, despised our isolationism and used PH to join with England in world war.

Jews and their pets - click me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-03-17   22:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

LOL, you get a +2 for prentending BAC is human.

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   22:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#27)

Psst....if the internet were around in 1941 the American public would have known quickly that FDR was aware - or should have been aware - of the Japanese attack on PH. He, like all good internationalists, despised our isolationism and used PH to join with England in world war.

Thank you for proving my point.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BeAChooser, Uncle Bill (#25)

Hey BAC, what's this sound like to you?

What's THIS BAC?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-17   22:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

Pearl Harbor Decption

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm

Sacrafice at Pearl Harbor

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-03-17   22:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#26)

BAC - there is no doubt that the ingestion od DU is a health hazard; no one disuptes that. It's all a matter of the form of ingestion & the assimilation of the particles, versus possible expulsion of those particles.

You're beating a dead horse on this one; add tha stats of the disable vets.

(You're just plain old "fucked-up,' BAC!)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-17   22:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#20)

...... is the scourge of the millennium.

The inside-job of 9-11 is the scourge of the millennium.

(Whether you approve, or not, BAC!)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-03-17   22:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: BeAChooser, Diana (#26)

So Ooser, are you again trying to pass off Depleted Uranium (you know, the stuff that's contaminated with highly radioactive Plutonium and Transuranics) as being safe as cotton candy?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-03-17   22:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: FormerLurker (#34)

Stupid lying fucker would never eat DU unless we forced him, and I'm sure we'd be in the wrong in doing so regardless of all hims sins.

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   22:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SKYDRIFTER, Diana, ALL (#32)

BAC - there is no doubt that the ingestion od DU is a health hazard; no one disuptes that.

No one is disputing that. What's disputed is how big a health hazard.

REAL experts don't think it's anywhere near as big a health hazard as you folks.

You're just plain old "fucked-up,' BAC!

And you are just proving what I've said about 4um members.

They seem to think foul language is a substitute for facts.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#34)

So Ooser, are you again trying to pass off Depleted Uranium (you know, the stuff that's contaminated with highly radioactive Plutonium and Transuranics) as being safe as cotton candy?

So, FormerLurker, are you again trying strawmen instead of facts?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   22:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: BeAChooser (#36)

No one is disputing that. What's disputed is how big a health hazard.

How much DU have you been exposed to, twink?

If you look carefully at my lips, you'll realize that I'm actually saying something else. I'm not actually telling you about the several ways I'm gradually murdering Joan. - Tom Frost

Dakmar  posted on  2007-03-17   22:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: BeAChooser (#21) (Edited)

If the media had reported WW2 the way they've reported this war, we'd have lost WW2.

We did lose WWII. We allowed Communism to prevail, which contributed to far greater numbers of deaths than Fascism.

In fact the event which triggered the start of WW II - the Germans invading Poland - speaks to our defeat - without a blink of an eye the communists claimed Poland and other Eastern European nations. The particularly sad thing about Poland was that its Christian citizens were killed by the Naziis in the same numbers as the Jews but to this day the World Jewish Congress is loathe to acknowledge that fact. "As historian Martin Gilbert pointed out, of the first 611 people who died at Auschwitz, 591 were Poles and 20 were Jews." The Poles were largely responsible for deciphering Enigma. Yet we let Stalin take Poland and its Eastern European brethren as part of his "spoils."

http://www.holocaustforgott en.com/Lucaire.htm

"We" hardly talk about that tragic result of WW II. Israel was born and Poland and other Eastern European nations were thrown to the communist wolves. Oh well.

Substitute the words "gulag" for "concentration camp" and "Christian" for Jews" and you get the picture.

Stalin and the communists walked away the big winners at the end of WW II.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   22:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: BeAChooser (#14)

HE has my respect.

spare me your lies, you worthless shit. YOU can shove your respect 'where the sun don't shine'. it's because of football head, bootlicking, wannabe Schutzstaffel like you that couldn't pull your own head out of your ass long enough to see you've been scammed over the last five years, that he has to be there in the first place. Fuck You, Pal!

hammerdown  posted on  2007-03-17   22:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: BeAChooser (#37)

So, FormerLurker, are you again trying strawmen instead of facts?

And what strawman would that be BAC? You wish a link that describes the transuranics and how they got there?

DU Contaminated With Plutonium and Neptunium

From The quantitative analysis of depleted uranium isotopes in British, Canadian, and U.S. Gulf War veterans.

Weyman's is one of a few texts drawing attention to the extreme hazard of nuclear waste recycled into uranium alloys for manufacture of "conventional" weapons. The most hazardous additive are so-called transuranics, which are tens of thousands of times more radioactive than pure Depleted Uranium (DU, mostly Uranium 238, some U234 and 235) or pure, Non-Depleted Uranium (Virgin Uranium):

"The contents of recycled uranium are exponentially more radioactive than pure, Virgin Uranium and pure Depleted Uranium. This mix of materials contains “transuranic elements, fission products, spent fuel products and nuclear activation products” of plutonium 239, 241, 242, uranium-236, and neptunium (and a host of other elements...)

...Both independent and government radiological analyses of DU penetrators collected from DU[21] battlefields have detected trace amounts of transuranics, including plutonium-239 in the metal. Independent studies have detected traces of uranium-236 in veterans’ urine; adding a new dimension to the inhalational exposure risks to veterans from recycled uranium elements."

From US Dirty Bombs: Radioactive Shells Spiked with Plutonium

The discovery of uranium-236 contamination in spent munitions used against Kosovo revealed that the DU was not obtained before the nuclear reaction process. The Pentagon, NATO and the British Ministry of Defense have always downplayed the danger of DU saying it was "less radioactive than uranium ore." But at least half of the DU (250,000 metric tons) is now known to have been left over from the reprocessing of irradiated reactor fuel (done to extract weapons-grade plutonium), leaving it salted with fission products.(18)

"If it has been through a reactor, it does change our idea on depleted uranium," says Dr. Michael Repacholi of the World Health Organization, which has demanded to know how much plutonium is in DU ammunition. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is still working on an answer to that question.

As early as January 2000, the DOE admitted that its DU munitions are spiked with plutonium, neptunium and americium – "transuranic" (heavier than uranium) fission wastes from inside nuclear reactors.(19) The health consequences here are fearsome: americium -- with a half-life of 7,300 years -- decays to plutonium-239, which is more radioactive than the original americium.

DU "contains a trace amount of plutonium," said the DOE’s Assistant Secretary David Michaels, who wrote to the Military Toxics Project's Tara Thornton January 20, 2000. "Recycled uranium, which came straight from one of our production sites, e.g. Hanford [Reservation, in Richland, Washington], would routinely contain transuranics at a very low level...." Michaels wrote. "We have initiated a project to characterize the level of transuranics in the various depleted uranium inventories," he said.

Dr. Von Hippel says in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that plutonium-239 is 200,000 times more radioactive than U-238. Plutonium "is probably the most carcinogenic substance known," according to Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER, writing in his 1992 book Plutonium.

International Physicians Against DU

On the DU-Watch list on February 19th, 2001, renowned anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott wrote about the “impure” contents of DU in armour and bullets:

However there is another transuranic element like plutonium and as deadly called neptunium which is present in much higher concentrations [...] This material was mixed with contaminants that came from the reprocessed uranium from military reactors. The concentrations were as follows: uranium 236 – 188,000 parts per billion, technetium 99 – 270,000 parts per billion, neptunium 237 – 19,600 ppb, plutonium 238 – 0.0055 ppb and plutonium 239 – 124 ppb, americium – 0.43 ppb.

1 ppb is one part per billion, i.e. per one thousand million parts. Summing up, DU contains transuranics in the amount of almost 500,000 parts per billion, or 500 parts per million (ppm). The British nuclear physicist Sir Brian Flowers had grave concerns about plutonium in a 1976 UK Royal Commission report. Dr. Gordon Edwards from Project Ploughshares wrote in Plutonium, anyone? in the spring 1995 issue of The Ploughshares Monitor:

A person inhaling a few micrograms of plutonium [...] is likely to develop a fatal lung cancer 10 or 20 years after exposure, as some of the cells damaged by alpha radiation begin to multiply uncontrollably.

One microgram is one-millionth of a gram, that is, one milligram has one thousand micrograms. Dr. Edwards also wrote:

A person who inhales just a few milligrams of plutonium -- a barely visible speck -- will die in a matter of months due to massive fibrosis of the lungs as delicate lung tissues, bombarded by alpha radiation, develop scar tissue, choking off oxygen to the blood. Death follows from a kind of internal asphyxiation.

So if all “impure” specks of DU dust were ingested or inhaled, they alone could kill millions of people. The longer the deadly particles will linger unchecked for generations, the more chance that they would be taken in. Once inside the body, they work diligently at destroying cells and DNA.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

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