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Title: Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad
Source: www.weeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conte ... icles/000/000/013/416urcoa.asp
Published: Mar 17, 2007
Author: William Kristol
Post Date: 2007-03-17 20:20:21 by BeAChooser
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Views: 3489
Comments: 224

Idiocy in D.C., Progress in Baghdad

The surge is working--that's what matters.

by William Kristol

03/26/2007, Volume 012, Issue 27

In order to preserve the cosmic harmony, it seems the gods insist that good news in one place be offset by misfortune elsewhere. It may well be that Gen. David Petraeus is going to lead us to victory in Iraq. He is certainly off to a good start. If the karmic price of success in Iraq is utter embarrassment for senior Bush officials in Washington, D.C.--well, in our judgment, the trade-off is worth it. The world will surely note our success or failure in Iraq. It will not long remember the gang that couldn't shoot straight at the Justice Department--or, for that matter, the antics of congressional Democrats--unless either so weakens the administration as to undercut our mission in Iraq.

Obviously, it's too early to say anything more definitive than that there are real signs of progress in Baghdad. The cocksure defeatism of war critics of two months ago, when the surge was announced, does seem to have been misplaced. The latest Iraq Update (pdf) by Kimberly Kagan summarizes the early effects of the new strategy backed up by, as yet, just one additional U.S. brigade deployed in theater (with more to be added in the coming weeks):

This "rolling surge" focuses forces on a handful of neighborhoods in Baghdad, and attempts to expand security out from those neighborhoods. . . . A big advantage of a "rolling surge" is that the population and the enemy sense the continuous pressure of ever-increasing forces. Iraqis have not seen such a prolonged and continuous planned increase of U.S. forces before. . . . The continued, increasing presence of U.S. forces appears to be having an important psychological, as well as practical, effect on the enemy and the people of Iraq. . . . [Meanwhile] in Ramadi, in the belt south of Baghdad stretching from Yusifiyah to Salman Pak, and northeast in Diyala Province, . . . U.S. and Iraqi forces have deprived al Qaeda of the initiative.

This sense of momentum is confirmed by many other reports in the media, and from Americans and Iraqis on the ground.

But back in Washington, congressional Democrats are still mired in the fall of 2006 and seem determined to be as irresponsible as ever. They're being beaten back--in part thanks to the fighting spirit of stalwart congressional Republicans. Last week, the Senate defeated a resolution that would have restricted the use of U.S. troops in Iraq and set March 31, 2008, as a target date for removing U.S. forces from combat.

On the same day, on a mostly party-line vote, the House Appropriations Committee reported out the Democratic version of a supplemental appropriations bill for the war. It was an odd piece of legislation--an appropriation to fight a war replete with provisions intended to ensure we lose it.

Here's what the Democratic legislation does, according to the Washington Post: "Under the House bill, the Iraqi government would have to meet strict benchmarks. . . . If by July 1 the president could not certify any progress, U.S. troops would begin leaving Iraq, to be out before the end of this year. If Bush did certify progress, the Iraqi government would have until Oct. 1 to meet the benchmarks, or troops would begin withdrawing then. In any case, withdrawals would have to begin by March 1, 2008, and conclude by the end of that summer."

Got that? Oh yes, in addition to the arbitrary timelines for the removal of troops, there's pork. As the Post explains, "Included in the legislation is a lot of money to help win support. The price tag exceeds the president's war request by $24 billion." Some of the extra money goes to bail out spinach farmers hurt by E. coli, to pay for peanut storage, and to provide additional office space for the lawmakers themselves. So much for an emergency war appropriations bill.

The legislation may collapse on the floor of the House this week. It certainly deserves to. Republicans can insist on a clean supplemental--no timelines to reassure the enemy that if they just hang on, we'll be gone before long, and no pork. They can win this fight--and if they do, combined with progress in Iraq, the lasting news from March 2007 will not be Bush administration haplessness; it will be that we are on the way to success in Iraq.

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#3. To: BeAChooser (#0)

Weekly Standard...

Proudly bearing the neozio war mongering standard.

BAC - come on - weekly standard? I would have hoped even you might have matured to reading a news source less TelAviv inspired...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   21:25:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2, ALL (#3)

Proudly bearing the neozio war mongering standard.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_security "Bomb deaths have gone down 30 percent in Baghdad since the U.S.-led security crackdown began a month ago. Execution-style slayings are down by nearly half. The once frequent sound of weapons has been reduced to episodic, and downtown shoppers have returned to outdoor markets — favored targets of car bombers."

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BeAChooser (#11)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_security

From the same yahoo news article you quoted:

But while many Iraqis are encouraged, they remain skeptical how long the relative calm will last. Each bombing renews fears that the horror is returning. Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents are still around, perhaps just laying low or hiding outside the city until the operation is over.

U.S. military officials, burned before by overly optimistic forecasts, have been cautious about declaring the operation a success. Another reason it seems premature: only two of the five U.S. brigades earmarked for the mission are in the streets, and the full compliment of American reinforcements is not due until late May.

In the months before the security operation began Feb. 14, police were finding dozens of bodies each day in the capital — victims of Sunni and Shiite death squads. Last December, more than 200 bodies were found each week — with the figure spiking above 300 in some weeks, according to police reports compiled by The Associated Press.

Since the crackdown began, weekly totals have dropped to about 80 — hardly an acceptable figure but clearly a sign that death squads are no longer as active as they were in the final months of last year.

In the 27 days leading up to the operation, 528 people were killed in bombings around the capital, according to AP figures. In the first 27 days of the operation, the bombing death toll stood at 370 — a drop of about 30 percent.

Figures alone won't tell the story. In Vietnam, generals kept pointing to enemy body counts to promote a picture of success even when many U.S. soldiers and civilian officials realized the effort was doomed.

True success will be when Iraqis themselves begin to feel safe and gain confidence in their government and security forces. Only then can the economy, long on its heels and with unemployment estimated between 25 and 40 percent, rebound and start providing jobs and a future for Baghdad's people.

A long-term solution also must deal with the militias that sprang up after the ouster of Saddam Hussein.

Much of the relative calm may be due to a decision by Shiite cleric Muqtada al- Sadr to remove his armed militiamen, known as the Mahdi Army, from the streets. Al-Maliki warned the young cleric that he could not protect them from the Americans during the offensive.

U.S. troops rolled into the Mahdi stronghold of Sadr City on March 4 without firing a shot — a radical change from street battles there in 2004.

Some Mahdi Army fighters may have left the city. But Iraqis who live in Shiite neighborhoods say many others are still around, collecting protection money from shopkeepers and keeping tabs on people — albeit without their guns.

When American patrols pass by, Mahdi members step into shops or disappear into crowds until the U.S. troops are gone. Sunni militants remain in some areas of the city too, although last year's sectarian bloodletting drove many Sunnis from their traditional neighborhoods, depriving extremists of a support network.

If militants from both sects are indeed lying low, that suggests they may have adopted a strategy of waiting until the security operation is over, then re- emerging to fight each other for control of the capital.

But positive trends in Iraq have proven hard to sustain. Hopes for reconciliation are quickly shattered. There have been a series of failed security initiatives.

With so many uncertainties, public opinion appears mixed.

"We gain nothing from this government. No change," said Abu Zeinab, a Shiite father of two in Baghdad's Hurriyah district. "Today is like yesterday. What is the difference?"

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   21:48:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: scrapper2, ALL (#19)

But while many Iraqis are encouraged, they remain skeptical how long the relative calm will last. Each bombing renews fears that the horror is returning. Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents are still around, perhaps just laying low or hiding outside the city until the operation is over.

If the media had reported WW2 the way they've reported this war, we'd have lost WW2.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-17   21:52:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: BeAChooser (#21) (Edited)

If the media had reported WW2 the way they've reported this war, we'd have lost WW2.

We did lose WWII. We allowed Communism to prevail, which contributed to far greater numbers of deaths than Fascism.

In fact the event which triggered the start of WW II - the Germans invading Poland - speaks to our defeat - without a blink of an eye the communists claimed Poland and other Eastern European nations. The particularly sad thing about Poland was that its Christian citizens were killed by the Naziis in the same numbers as the Jews but to this day the World Jewish Congress is loathe to acknowledge that fact. "As historian Martin Gilbert pointed out, of the first 611 people who died at Auschwitz, 591 were Poles and 20 were Jews." The Poles were largely responsible for deciphering Enigma. Yet we let Stalin take Poland and its Eastern European brethren as part of his "spoils."

http://www.holocaustforgott en.com/Lucaire.htm

"We" hardly talk about that tragic result of WW II. Israel was born and Poland and other Eastern European nations were thrown to the communist wolves. Oh well.

Substitute the words "gulag" for "concentration camp" and "Christian" for Jews" and you get the picture.

Stalin and the communists walked away the big winners at the end of WW II.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-17   22:34:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: scrapper2 (#39)

Substitute the words "gulag" for "concentration camp" and "Christian" for Jews" and you get the picture.

Stalin and the communists walked away the big winners at the end of WW II.

Brilliant post scrapper.

All too true.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-18   2:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Diana, scrapper2, ALL (#85)

Stalin and the communists walked away the big winners at the end of WW II.

Brilliant post scrapper.

You think so? Is the Soviet Union still around?

And I'm curious. If we'd not gotten involved in WW2, who do you two think would have walked away the big winners?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   14:09:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: BeAChooser (#103)

And I'm curious. If we'd not gotten involved in WW2, who do you two think would have walked away the big winners?

Everyone.

Nazi Germany would have been destroyed regardless, and the Soviet Union would not have become strengthened, and millions of Eastern Europeans, Baltics peoples and additional Russians would not have died. IMO.

Japan would have imploded in time as well.

Diana  posted on  2007-03-18   19:16:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Diana, BeAChooser (#125)

BeAChooser: And I'm curious. If we'd not gotten involved in WW2, who do you two think would have walked away the big winners?

diana: Everyone.

Nazi Germany would have been destroyed regardless, and the Soviet Union would not have become strengthened, and millions of Eastern Europeans, Baltics peoples and additional Russians would not have died. IMO.

Japan would have imploded in time as well.

Exactly, diana. Thanks for pitching in - I had lost track of BAC challenging me on this.

Russia lost 17-20 Million soldiers ( prodded onwards by the NKVD) fighting the Germans. In the course of battles, Russia ended up destroying 3/4 of the German ground forces. We stepped in after Hitler made his strategic error - Hitler's defeat was determined as soon as he decided to attack Russia.

The Brits survived the Battle of Britain. The Brits were winning on the African front.

America came in for clean up duty and to fight the Japanese. We lost approx. 300,000 men in WW II. Britain lost 600,000. Russia lost 17-20 Million. Can you imagine such numbers of losses?

There's no doubt that Stalin and his communist government would have fallen right after the Russian-Eastern European fighters changed their focus from defeating the Germans to bringing down Uncle Joe and hanging him in Red Square along with his NKVD officers.

Churchill and FDR gave communism an extension on life. Nothing much is written about the Eastern European lives that were condemned to servitude under communism generally or immediate death in the Soviet gulag camps. Oh well...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-18   20:55:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: scrapper2, Diana, ALL (#127)

Russia lost 17-20 Million soldiers ( prodded onwards by the NKVD) fighting the Germans. In the course of battles, Russia ended up destroying 3/4 of the German ground forces. We stepped in after Hitler made his strategic error - Hitler's defeat was determined as soon as he decided to attack Russia.

After the war, Hitler's foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop listed three main reasons for Germany's defeat (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4508901.stm ): (1) unexpectedly stubborn resistance from the Soviet Union, (2) the large-scale supply of arms and equipment from the US to the Soviet Union, under the lend-lease agreement, and (3) the success of the Western Allies in the struggle for air supremacy.

Consider this. During the war the US supplied the Soviets with 450,000 lorries. And that's just one category of support. "After the collapse of the Soviet system, Russian historians were able to look into the archival files and total up the real figures. One study, by M.N. Suprin, calculates the caloric content of Lend-Lease foodstuffs sent to the USSR, divides the total by the caloric needs of the Red Army and arrives at a stunning conclusion: "The foodstuffs provided by Lend-Lease to the USSR would have sufficed to feed an army of ten million men for 1,688 days, that is, for the course of the entire war." Another study, by Boris Sokolov, which translates as THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, estimates that the US supplied 92.7% of the USSR's railroad equipment, including locomotives and rails, and from 15% to 90% of production in all other categories. Weeks, who reads Russian, surveys these recent studies and cites them to show that Lend-Lease was indeed "Russia's Life-Saver." (http://www.amazon.com/Russias-Life-Saver-Lend-Lease-U-S-S-R-World/dp/0739107364 )

"Bombing diverted a lot of manpower and military equipment from the front in Russia, while it restricted the expansion of the German war economy." To suggest they, on their own, could have beaten Nazi Germany is highly optimistic. Especially since in technology, Germany was far ahead of the Soviets. A time would have come when that advantage in technology was decisive.

The Brits survived the Battle of Britain. The Brits were winning on the African front.

The reality is that Britain is a island, and it was completely dependent on the US help to provide the materials needed to battle the Axis and to get those materials to the island. Without the US taking sides to make sure that materials were available and arrived, Britain would have been starved out in no time. Prior to our entry in the war, the US provided huge quantities of arms and other materials. The US turned over destroyers to Britain to fight the submarine menance. US ships were involved in prewar shooting incidents to protect the British supply line. The ONLY thing keeping Britain afloat was US assistance. Had we sued for peace, the Axis would have starved them out and eventually unleashed weapons that were far ahead of everyone else on them. The Second Battle of Britain would have been a far different engagement.

America came in for clean up duty

ROTFLOL! There you have it folks ... scrapper's view of our role in WW2.

and to fight the Japanese.

But we weren't going to fight the Japanese. Under your presidency, we were going to apologize to Japan after they attacked Pearl Harbor (after all, we forced them to do it) and sue for peace to avoid hundreds of thousands of dead and the economic costs of fighting such a war. The media would make sure of it. Right?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-18   22:52:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: BeAChooser, robin, diana (#142) (Edited)

a. the US supplied 92.7% of the USSR's railroad equipment, including locomotives and rails, and from 15% to 90% of production in all other categories. Weeks, who reads Russian, surveys these recent studies and cites them to show that Lend-Lease was indeed "Russia's Life-Saver."

b. ROTFLOL! There you have it folks ... scrapper's view of our role in WW2.

a. While the lend-lease program helped Russia, it wasn't all rosey for us ( ie. America, in case you get confused about the nation I'm speaking about, BAC). If you had looked at the next reader comment to the one you cut and pasted from re: the amazon title, you might have discovered that the lend-lease program was not exactly in America's best interests or in the interests of the world - Stalin, the bloodiest Dictator of the 20th century - and that Professor Weeks paints Roosevelt's role in helping Stalin as somewhat questionable:

"...But Prof. Weeks doesn't stop there, he also paints a lively picture of the political developments leading to the decision of President Roosevelt to come to the rescue of the bloodiest Dictator of the 20th century, Joseph Stalin, in his fight against his opponent and recent collaborator, Hitler.

Prof. Weeks also demonstrates that Stalin was actively working through the channels of his espionage agencies to influence the US administration to deliver material aid to the USSR (he cites the Venona decrypts and material from Russia, most notably the NKVD's "Operation Snow"). It becomes clear that the large-scale infiltration of various US government branches by the Soviet espionage agencies played an important role in the speedy decision to send vast amounts of military and civilian goods to Stalin's Soviet Union. Stalin also ordered his agents to obtain military secrets from the US, both before and during the war, even when the Soviet Union was a nominal ally of the US.

At times, aid to the USSR was given priority over aid to Britain by President Roosevelt. Roosevelt's dubious and naive role in his dealings with Stalin is presented in some detail as well.

Weeks also shows that Stalin always rightly understood the might and potential of the American economic potential. US technical assistance had already played a major role in the mechanisation of both the Soviet agriculture and the Red Army. Stalin has been able to use the huge "tractor factories", built with the help of Ford, among others, to establish the necessary industrial base for the mechanisation of his huge tank forces before the outbreak of the Second World War..."

b. It's not just my view. There are a multitude of books that allude to the same thing. In fact, the Brits and Canadians in particular and Europeans generally take offense over the bravado and swagger of chest beating tinhorn macho men like yourself, BAC, who claim it was America that won the war. Au contraire. America's entry helped but the war was already on the way to being lost by Hitler due to his choice to attack Russia. That meant Hitler was committed to fighting on 3 fronts. The Germans were doomed. The British maintained naval superiority and had survived the Battle of Britain - no way would Hitler take Britain. Rommel was getting his butt kicked on the North African front. And if the US had not jumped in - Russia would have finished off Hitler and soon after Uncle Joe would have fallen - the communists could not have survived the uprising of their own people and the Eastern Europeans if FDR and Churchill had not backed the Stalinists' villanous asses and called them "allies."

As for Pearl Harbor -HA! -faux reason that caused 300,000 US servicemen deaths including the 2500 at Pearl Harbor - American boys' blood on FDR's hands - read the book "Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor" by Robert Stinnett. From Amazon " Robert Stinnett served the U.S. Navy with distinction during World War II examines recently declassified American documents and concludes that, far more than merely knowing of the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt deliberately steered Japan into war with America."

c. And you still have not answered my question, did we liberate Poland at the end of the war - the matchstick that triggered the start of WWII - if there's any single measure of who won the war, it's who liberated Poland, yes?

Also, you don't seem too concerned about the millions upon millions of Eastern European Christians who were doomed to Uncle Joe's brutal rule and gulag camps. Oh well. They're only Catholics and Orthodox Christians - they don't count much in your books, BAC. They are not "special."

d. As for Japan - the Russians beat them up pretty good as well - they crushed their supply lines.

http://www.ncesa.org/html/hirosh ima.html

"Hiroshima: Historians Reassess"

by Gar Alperovitz

Foreign Policy (Summer 1995) No. 99: 15-34.

Copyright 1995 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

scrapper2  posted on  2007-03-19   0:45:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: scrapper2, diana, robin, ALL (#151)

Stalin, the bloodiest Dictator of the 20th century

I didn't suggest that Stalin was a nice guy. Or not a problem himself. I'm only saying that had we not helped the Soviets and the British, Hitler would likely have won WW2. And then where would we be today?

In fact, the Brits and Canadians in particular and Europeans generally take offense over the bravado and swagger of chest beating tinhorn macho men like yourself, BAC, who claim it was America that won the war.

I didn't say or suggest that either. You folks seem to rely mostly on strawmen. What I said is that without US help, Hitler would have won the war against Britain and the Soviets. There is a difference although perhaps its too subtle for you?

America's entry helped but the war was already on the way to being lost by Hitler due to his choice to attack Russia.

No, the only thing that kept the Soviets afloat was support from the US. US built equipment moved their army and supplies. US foodstuffs fed their army. And US support of the UK and the threat of US invasion keep large portions of the German military from moving against the Soviets. The Soviets hung on by a thin thread and US support was vital to keeping that thread from breaking.

The British maintained naval superiority

Like I said. Without US support Britain would have starved.

and had survived the Battle of Britain

The British won the Battle of Britain primarily because of radar superiority and the failure of Germans to recognize its use. But by the end of that period, German technology in radar, aircraft and many other fields had far surpassed that of Britain (and the US). The Second Battle of Britain would have been much different had the US not been a partner to the British. British morale was high ONLY because the convoys were still getting through. Without US help to ensure that happened, Britain would have ended up isolated, starving and vulnerable once again.

- Rommel was getting his butt kicked on the North African front.

Oh ... is that why in May 1942 Rommel won a stunning victory at Gazala and captured Tobruk? Because the British were kicking his butt? Is that why he drove them back to Egypt? Because they were kicking his butt? The Battle of Alam el Halfa, which finally turned things around, took place between August 30 and September 6, 1942 ... 9 months after the US joined the war. The US invaded North Africa in November 42. It was Operation Torch which broke the back of the Germans in Africa. And guess who did it? An American general named ... Patton. But had there been no US help and Britain was still hanging on by its own thin thread ...

And if the US had not jumped in - Russia would have finished off Hitler and soon after Uncle Joe would have fallen

Two can play this game. Had Hitler been deposed, German generals would have been free to fight the war as they saw fit. A very good case can be made that it was Hitler's mistakes against Britain, in North Africa and against the Soviets that kept Germany from winning in each case. And Hitler was lot closer to being deposed than Stalin ever was. With the US out of the picture perhaps the Generals would have seen the light?

As for Pearl Harbor -HA! -faux reason that caused 300,000 US servicemen deaths including the 2500 at Pearl Harbor

You only prove my point. Folks like you would have ensured the US didn't enter the war had the media of today reported the situation back then like it has reported the WOT. Or at least guaranteed that the mantra "FDR LIED, GIS DIED" would have ensured we lost that war or sued for peace before US might was really felt.

Also, you don't seem too concerned about the millions upon millions of Eastern European Christians who were doomed to Uncle Joe's brutal rule and gulag camps. Oh well.

ROTFLOL! I hate to tell you this, but your allies against the Iraq war, liberal democRATS and other leftists, are the ones who in the 80's and 90's wanted to appease and learn to live with the Soviet machine. It took a Republican President, a Catholic Pope and good ol' Margaret to bring it down.

As for Japan - the Russians beat them up pretty good as well - they crushed their supply lines.

And when did this happen? Oh yes ... long, long, long after the US entered the war when US forces were knocking on Japan's door. I guess you missed that little detail.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-03-19   11:23:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: BeAChooser (#165)

I hate to tell you this, but your allies against the Iraq war, liberal democRATS and other leftists, are the ones who in the 80's and 90's wanted to appease and learn to live with the Soviet machine. It took a Republican President... to bring it down.

You mean by resuming the subsidized grain shipments to the USSR that Carter stopped?

If nothing else, you're good for a mid-day belly laugh.

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