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Title: Why do people love "Governments"?
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The No State Project
URL Source: http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/
Published: Mar 18, 2007
Author: Marc Stevens
Post Date: 2007-03-18 14:13:24 by Simmering Frog
Keywords: Government Crime
Views: 242
Comments: 22
From Marc Stevens: STILL LOVE GOVERNMENTS? Written by Marc Stevens Tuesday, 13 March 2007 It's truly amazing despite all the crimes committed by governments, people still religiously cling to the idea governments are necessary to protect life, liberty and property. You can even point out governments not only have no duty to protect anyone, but also do a disasterous job at whatever they bother doing. Despite overwhelming evidence government is not only unnecessary, corrupt and a cancer on the world, its victims continue to revere them. Maybe this will help convince them governments are nothing more than gangs of killers, thieves and liars. Show a friend who believes governments are necessary this copy of title 50 of the United States Code, section 1520. This "law" authorizes the "Department of Defense" to conduct chemical and biological warfare experiments on "civilian populations". You'll notice there is nothing in there about about informing the "civilian population" and getting their consent. While the only ones "notified" are "local civilian officials", there is nothing about getting consent first. I seem to remember hearing something about a dictator in the middle east being accused of doing something like this. It'll warm your heart to know chemical and biological agents are weapons of mass destruction. This means the "Department of Defense" conducts experiments on "civilian populations" with weapons of mass destruction. Maybe I'm just being cynical, I just don't think you protect people by attacking them with weapons of mass destruction. Maybe the anthrax attacks after 911 was just an authorized "experiment"? If you think I'm "paranoid", consider all the "programs" conducted by governments that are "classified", where governments deny their existence for decades. MK-Ultra and Operation Northwoods are good examples. If attacking "civilian populations" with weapons of mass destruction is admitted and shamelessly advertised in the United States Code, then what is being hidden or "classified"? Don't worry, you only need to wait fifty or so years to find out. Have any of the "local civilian officials" where you live ever notified you of a chemical and biological warfare "experiment" being conducted? Of course these "experiments" are harmless and for our benefit, that's why you and I are not informed. Once again, with government our consent is not necessary. Do you like the idea of being "experimented" on without your consent? Yes, governments are wonderful, after all, without governments who'll conduct those lovely chemical and biological warfare "experiments" on entire populations? Who'll steal trillions of "dollars" worth of our energy every year? Who'll conduct horrific mind control "experiments" and domestic terrorists acts? Just how do you wage wars without governments? Look at the hypocrisy, there are over 40,000 paramilitary raids conducted in the United States every year because "drugs are bad," while there are whole populations being attacked with weapons of mass destruction. Which group is doing the drugs here? The government solution to every problem is simple: launch another attack on the people. When you think about it, that's about the only thing governments are good at. So if you're still a skeptic or know one, remember 50 USC section 1520 where the "Department of Defense" is authorized to conduct chemical and biological warfare "experiments" on populations. Last Updated ( Thursday, 15 March 2007 ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From:
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#1. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
Marc won't find any gov-huggers here.
Because childhood is so much more appealing than adulthood?
Section 1520 was repealed, apparently, and possibly replaced by Section 1520a. Anyway, 1520a is the only reference I can find in Title 50 pertaining to biological and chemical weapons testing. The text of the original 1520 as found here:
#2. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
Why do people love "Governments"?
#3. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
(Edited)
l§ 1520. Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense; accounting to Congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian officials
(a) Not later than thirty days after final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense, whether directly or under contract, involving the use of human subjects for the testing of chemical or biological agents, the Secretary of Defense shall supply the Committees on Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives with a full accounting of such plans for such experiment or study, and such experiment or study may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date such accounting is received by such committees. (b)(1) The Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of any chemical or biological agent on civilian populations unless local civilian officials in the area in which the test or experiment is to be conducted are notified in advance of such test or experiment, and such test or experiment may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date of such notification. (2) Paragraph (1) shall apply to tests and experiments conducted by Department of Defense personnel and tests and experiments conducted on behalf of the Department of Defense by contractors.
That's screwed up. People should have been hung for passing that law.
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#4. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
Why do people exhibit altruistic behavior?
If you take the red pill, does Big Pharma still win?
#5. To: leveller (#2)
exactly. I was talking with a friend today about how mortgage lenders have been absolutely horrible the past couple of years, and have misled people into awful loans they cannot afford. and my friend said 'congress ought to look at this' and I was like 'no! people need to read what they sign, before they sign it'- that's what it comes down to. I absolutely agree some lenders have been awful. if they've violated existing laws they should be prosecuted. but every time we screw up, congress doesn't need to pat our heads and put us to bed while they take care of it. no wonder they think the american public is stupid. 'congress ought to look at this' is the *adult* equivalent of 'mommy! tommy's looking at me'
Because childhood is so much more appealing than adulthood?
#6. To: Critter (#3)
Sounds like the opening chapter of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy! ("It's your own lookout!")
The Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of any chemical or biological agent on civilian populations unless local civilian officials in the area in which the test or experiment is to be conducted are notified in advance of such test or experiment,
#7. To: Tauzero (#4)
Concern for others is not a vice or a weakness, even if it is not a moral or legal imperative. Love of government does not arise from altruism or from any other virtue. Love of government arises from habits of thought that children discard when they become adults, namely, that Mummy and Daddy a) will save them, b) are the source of everything good, c) owe them a living, d) have the right to intervene in every aspect of their lives, e) are to be obeyed without question, f) etc. The maternal and paternal State do not flourish because of altruism; they flourish because of subservience.
Why do people exhibit altruistic behavior?
#8. To: leveller (#7)
True. Love of government does not arise from altruism or from any other virtue. Perhaps not love of government, but the fact of government and altruistic behavior are two sides of the same coin.
Concern for others is not a vice or a weakness
If you take the red pill, does Big Pharma still win?
#9. To: Tauzero (#8)
As far as I can tell, government doesn't arise from concern for the welfare of others, but from the desire to exploit others. I've never seen a better account of this than Oppenheimer's "The State."
the fact of government and altruistic behavior are two sides of the same coin.
#10. To: Critter (#3)
Indeed.
People should have been hung for passing that law.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#11. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
You should see the drug reps fighting over market share and profits at my local hospital. Their products KILL over 100,000 people (Mercola, NewsTarget, Whitaker, Williams, et al) per year, and they are still walking free. Someone gets caught with marijuana (which has never killed ANYONE, to my knowledge), and it's off to prison for them. The drug reps should be twitching at the end of a rope. They are accessories to murder.
Look at the hypocrisy, there are over 40,000 paramilitary raids conducted in the United States every year because "drugs are bad," while there are whole populations being attacked with weapons of mass destruction. Which group is doing the drugs here?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#12. To: who knows what evil (#11)
You're right. But which ones are the actual murderers? Is it the doctor, or the pharmaceutical company? What really stinks is that the pharma companies KNOW their "customers" are playing Russian Roulette. Death in this country each year due to legal drugs accounts for an order of magnitude of 17 times MORE than from illegal drugs. This doesn't even take into account the other forms of "medical mistakes" which result in death... And we label this group as PROFESSIONALS!!! What a joke! But as outlandish as this is, it seems if there's one thing people love more than their government, it's their DOCTOR... Nearly everybody at least has a "family doctor" to run to. I don't. I do my own "doctoring", not only for illness (which is easily prevented in the first place), but also for the "emergencies". I sliced my hand pretty bad a few weeks ago - bad enough that most people would have gone in and gotten it stitched (and 2 people that saw it told me I'd "better do that"). I just applied direct pressure till the bleeding had stopped as long as the cut was closed, wrapped it up with gauze and vet wrap for several hours, unwrapped it, poured colloidal silver over it, dried it, and super glued it shut. It never got infected, is nearly completely healed now - and there will hardly be a scar. I've done a few other things too - like "popping back in" dislocated joints... It's amazing what a good pain killer 151 rum is!!!
Their products KILL over 100,000 people (Mercola, NewsTarget, Whitaker, Williams, et al) per year, and they are still walking free. Someone gets caught with marijuana (which has never killed ANYONE, to my knowledge), and it's off to prison for them. The drug reps should be twitching at the end of a rope. They are accessories to murder.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#13. To: innieway (#12)
Not me. If I can't figure it out; I'm pretty much dead. :-)
Nearly everybody at least has a "family doctor" to run to.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#14. To: innieway (#12)
If people knew the TRUTH about infection rates in major hospitals; they would run screaming for the exit.
Death in this country each year due to legal drugs accounts for an order of magnitude of 17 times MORE than from illegal drugs. This doesn't even take into account the other forms of "medical mistakes" which result in death... And we label this group as PROFESSIONALS!!! What a joke!
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#15. To: Simmering Frog (#0)
Love? I don't know anyone who loves the government, even in places where the government is generally benign, like Canada. Govt. only looks good in comparison to the alternative. I don't think anyone wants to go to survival of the most psychotic.
#16. To: leveller (#9)
There is no altruism without competition.
If you take the red pill, does Big Pharma still win?
#17. To: who knows what evil (#14)
Me too... No kidding!!! My cousin found out the hard way... His wife was in for something and while there got a very nasty staff infection. That mess nearly killed her - she wound up hospitalized for nearly a month over it, was on IV antibiotics and such!
Not me. If I can't figure it out; I'm pretty much dead. :-)
If people knew the TRUTH about infection rates in major hospitals; they would run screaming for the exit.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
#18. To: innieway (#17)
Staph is EXACTLY what is making the rounds of hospitals in east Tennessee at the current time...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#19. To: Tauzero (#16)
Now you're just toying with me. You'll write any absurdity, just to get me to overanalyze it and respond with an a devastating but ridiculous rhetorical volley at a straw man. Writing a check to the American Cancer Society (would they be disappointed if the cure for cancer emerged tomorrow?) is a form of altruism, even if I am not locked in a Darwinian death struggle for resources with their members or beneficiaries.
There is no altruism without competition.
#20. To: leveller (#19)
Well, no. Universal altruism, that is altruism without distinctions, is impossible precisely because there is no competitive basis to support it. There will always be a finite cohort, perhaps small (or perhaps not), that does not reciprocate altruism. Governments form to save knowledge costs, and protect -- primarily from other groups that form governments. They're very much like street gangs or mafias writ large (or less negatively, a family.) Those within the gang can expect to be treated a little better by their fellows than by others. One of the strongest examples of in-group bonds and outsider distinctions can be found among combat veterans who served together in the same unit. Writing a check to the American Cancer Society... is a form of altruism. Perhaps not, if there's a name on the check. "Verily I say unto you, they have their reward."
Now you're just toying with me.
If you take the red pill, does Big Pharma still win?
#21. To: leveller, Tauzero (#19)
You never can tell with Tauzero. He's pretty adept at taking a scalpel to that fine line between a profundity and nonsense.
Now you're just toying with me. You'll write any absurdity, just to get me to overanalyze it and respond with an a devastating but ridiculous rhetorical volley at a straw man.
#22. To: SmokinOPs (#21)
One day after I sent my dad a particular article, as he arrived at my home for a visit he gave me the Nazi salute, with the exclamation "Chumrot!" Without missing a beat I returned the salute, with the exclamation "Frumkeit!" Chip off the old block, I am.
If you take the red pill, does Big Pharma still win?
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