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Title: France Opens Secret UFO Files Covering 50 Years
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007032 ... p/sciencespaceufo_070322143210
Published: Mar 22, 2007
Author: AFP
Post Date: 2007-03-22 12:17:08 by Brian S
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France became the first country to open its files on UFOs Thursday when the national space agency unveiled a website documenting more than 1,600 sightings spanning five decades. The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists. "It is a world first," said Jacques Patenet, the aeronautical engineer who heads the office for the study of "non-identified aerospatial phenomena." Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption. "Cases such as the lady who reported seeing an object that looked like a flying roll of toilet paper" are clearly not worth investigating, said Patenet. But many others involving multiple sightings -- in at least one case involving thousands of people across France -- and evidence such as burn marks and radar trackings showing flight patterns or accelerations that defy the laws of physics are taken very seriously. A phalanx of beefy security guards formed a barrier in front of the space agency (CNES) headquarters where the announcement was made, "to screen out uninvited UFOlogists," an official explained. Of the 1,600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25 percent are classified as "type D", meaning that "despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain," Patenet said. On January 8, 1981 outside the town of Trans-en-Provence in southern France, for example, a man working in a field reported hearing a strange whistling sound and seeing a saucer-like object about 2.5 meters (eight feet) in diameter land in his field about 50 meters (yards) away. A dull-zinc grey, the saucer took off, he told police, almost immediately, leaving burn marks. Investigators took photos, and then collected and analyzed samples, and to this day no satisfactory explanation has been made. The nearly 1,000 witness who said they saw flashing lights in the sky on November 5, 1990, by contrast, had simply seen a rocket fragment falling back into earth's atmosphere. Patenet's answer to questions about evidence of life beyond Earth was sure to inflame the suspicions of those convinced the government is holding back: "We do not have the least proof that extra-terrestrials are behind the unexplained phenomena." But then he added: "Nor do we have the least proof that they aren't." The CNES fields between 50 and 100 UFO reports ever year, usually written up by police. Of these, 10 percent are the object of on-site investigations, Patenet said. Other countries collect data more or less systematically about unidentified flying objects, notably in Britain and in the United States, where information can be requested on a case-by-case basis under the Freedom of Information Act. "But we decided to do it the other way around and made everything available to the public," Patenet said. The aim was to make it easier for scientists and other UFO buffs to access the data for research. The website itself -- which crashed host servers hours after it was unveiled due to heavy traffic -- is extremely well organized and complete, even including scanned copies of police reports. To visit the website: www.cnes-geipan.fr.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Yep. Going to be slammed for quite some time, I'm sure.
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I like OVNI better. I wonder if Rense has anything on this, it's one subject I skip on his website. I figure these sighting, when verified, are some govt high-tech shenanigans.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"UFO's" started off as a stupid craze that just happened to coincide with the sci fci genre and the beginnings of space travel. Now- it is a government run psy-op and stupid distraction. There are no effing aliens. No little grey man sticking probes up poop shoots. No vistors from distant planets. I am always amused by people reporting seeing stange "lights" in the sky at night. Like aliens smart enough to travel faster than light- are going to need "lights" on their space craft for any reason whatsoever.
I am always amused by people reporting seeing stange "lights" in the sky at night. Like aliens smart enough to travel faster than light- are going to need "lights" on their space craft for any reason whatsoever. You are flat out wrong Burkeman.
Don't think so. Little green man don't exist for all intent and purpose, and what is more- even if man could travel to distant stars in a matter of days- we would still- never ever come into contact with another intelligent life form. It is mathematically impossible. I have little doubt that somewhere else- even in our galaxy- intelligent life exists- but the vastness (do you really have a concept of what we are talking about - 100 billion stars just in this galazy) and size of this space makes it all but impossible that two intelligent life forms- even with sophisticated and quick space travel would ever even bump into each other. Imagine a stretch of beach 40 feet long by 25 feet wide- now say there is about a million grains of sand in each cubic foot of this portion of beach. That is 100 billion stars. Now take every grain of sand out from this beach and then seperate each grain of sand from each other by anywhere between 1 to 10 miles. Now- imagine that on about 100 of these grains of sand there existed a little intelligent civilization of microbes. Now- imagine these microbes developed technology to travel to the other grains of sand miles away. What do you think the odds are that any of these intelligent microbes would ever even bump into each other? Hint- about 50 times less likely than me winning the lottery. And I am not even factoring into this time- that these civiliazations would even exist during the same time frames or levels of advancement.
To better illustrate what I am talking about- if you just seperated each of our 100 billion grains of sand from each other by 1 mile- the grains of sand would encompass an area 30 times larger than our solar system.
OVNI = Objet volant non identifié.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 , by Richard M. Dolan, is my current bedside reading.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You are most probably right about the "little green men." The chances of them bumping into each other in the Newtonian billiard ball universe you describe are remote indeed. However, we'ere learning that the universe operates at levels which bugger the mind. Physicist claim that they have teleported particle and that there are wave forms or particles that exceed the speed of light. Human intelligence has only been around on the order of hundreds of thousands of years. The past hundred years alone has given birth to a number of revolutions in the manner in which we perceive, understand and manipulate the world around us. What might another hundred years bring us? What knoledge might an intelligence cultivate in, say, a million years? There's a lot of stuff that we don't know, but we're off in the realm of the unknown - the many known unknowns and the world of the unknown unknowns that may be even more immense. But "little green men," "grays," "alien abduction," etc. I haven't seen a convincing shred of evidence for any of it, Dicovery Channel notwithstanding. I'm prone to agree with the Mexican Air Force Pilot whom I talked to who had the famous UFO's on his FLIR off the Yucatan. He said, "There are a lot of strange things up there which we see sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they come from outer space.
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Musings of a cigarette smoking man.
People used to think the earth was flat and that it rode on the back of an elephant too..
Hey, they could be from our own future, but I wouldn't exclude space. Each star is a sun and most probably have planets revolving around them. As much as one planet or more per star could have intelligent life on it, with the odds of advanced civilizations existing on some of them overwhelming. So to exclude space travelers is being highly unrealistic.
Highly advanced civilizations would not be bounching around like random tennis balls in space. They would seek out other worlds where there are signs of intelligent activity, such as artificially modulated electromagnetic radiation (radio waves). For all we know, they haven't just solved the problem of interstellar travel, they may have found the means of time travel. Hell, we can even theorize on how to do it today, the only problem would be in creating a ring singularity. Such singularities are theorized to exist in the confines of a black hole. What would 1000 years of scientific progress reveal? What would 10,000 years bring?
Psst. Over here... I wish that they hadn't cheaped-out on their server - still no-go here.
Being as it's in France, it's probably on government-mandated vacation.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
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I tried to go to the link last night but couldn't.
How can anyone know that for sure though? We don't know everything there is, our senses are very limited considering, there's so much we don't know and don't understand, we don't know much of anything for sure, compared to all the knowledge in the universe. For some reason a lot of people become confrontational and angry when aliens are mentioned, I'm not sure why.
Math only works in the physical world we're familiar with. There could be other dimensions going on, you can't possibly know for sure that's not so.
Not only is it NOT mathematically impossible, is is PROBABLE. And that is using CURRENT DAY math.
YIKES!!!
ss . . ssanibsurdansinuoashin - Geo. W. Bush
A mysterious aerial device falls in Somalia. By: Mohamed Amiin. Mogadishu 26, March.07 ( Sh.M.Network) A mysterious device looking like a satellite or UFO has landed and spotted near buulo burde town in south Somalia. Villagers report that the device fell five days ago in area which lies forty kilo meters north of Buulo burde town. The device is occupying in an area of one hundred Meters Square as villagers who spotted this device confirmed to Shabelle Radio. “In the evening of last Wednesday, a large device flew over our head and moments later, we heard a large sound, BAM” said Ilyas Ali, a villager who lives nearby where this large device has fallen. Ilyas spoke of the device, telling that in the daylight it glitters and in a nighttime, it turns lights and speaks a strange language which can’t be understood by the villagers. The impact of the unidentified device has killed a camel which was grazing nearby. Because of the remote area it fell, news of the device is emerging gradually now despite its fall of five days ago.
They're gonna have to beef-up their server.
#2. To: lodwick (#1)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption.
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
#5. To: Burkeman1 (#4)
"UFO's" started off as a stupid craze that just happened to coincide with the sci fci genre and the beginnings of space travel. Now- it is a government run psy-op and stupid distraction. There are no effing aliens. No little grey man sticking probes up poop shoots. No vistors from distant planets.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#6. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#7. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#8. To: Brian S (#0)
#9. To: Brian S (#0)
#10. To: Burkeman1 (#6)
#11. To: Brian S (#0)
I've already said too much.
#12. To: Burkeman1 (#6)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#13. To: randge (#10)
He said, "There are a lot of strange things up there which we see sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they come from outer space.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#14. To: Burkeman1 (#6)
Don't think so. Little green man don't exist for all intent and purpose, and what is more- even if man could travel to distant stars in a matter of days- we would still- never ever come into contact with another intelligent life form. It is mathematically impossible. I have little doubt that somewhere else- even in our galaxy- intelligent life exists- but the vastness (do you really have a concept of what we are talking about - 100 billion stars just in this galazy) and size of this space makes it all but impossible that two intelligent life forms- even with sophisticated and quick space travel would ever even bump into each other.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#15. To: randge (#10)
But "little green men," "grays," "alien abduction," etc. I haven't seen a convincing shred of evidence for any of it, Dicovery Channel notwithstanding.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#16. To: Brian S. UFO enthusiasts here (#2)
Dammit
#17. To: lodwick (#16)
still no-go here.
#18. To: Brian S (#2)
#19. To: lodwick, Brian S (#1)
They're gonna have to beef-up their server. http://www.cnes-geipan.fr./
#20. To: Burkeman1, robin (#4)
There are no effing aliens.
#21. To: Burkeman1, FormerLurker (#6)
It is mathematically impossible.
#22. To: Burkeman1, Diana (#6)
It is mathematically impossible.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#23. To: FormerLurker (#15)
#24. To: Brian S (#0)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
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