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Title: 2nd Debris Field Found 6 miles from United 93 Crash Site
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWi0JpI__M
Published: Mar 27, 2007
Author: CNN
Post Date: 2007-03-27 18:54:41 by honway
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#17. To: wbales (#13)
For the next few hours, Hankinson gathered charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual -- she remembers a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport -- and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports. "And there was some black webbing -- a lot of people found that," she said. The webbing, flexible where it hadn't burned, crisp where it had, was from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner. Are you saying that paper and other light debris (that was mostly what was found 8 miles away) can't travel that distance on a windy day? Come on guys stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
How did light material remain airborn for nearly 50 minutes? It had to be high enough in the air to get over trees and such, remember? It wasn't just blowing across an open parking lot or something.
I bet BeAChooser could rationally explain it.
#18. To: Destro (#16)
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#19. To: Critter (#18)
That is your made up calculation on how long the material remained airborne - and the light material in question is paper and webbing straps and the like - paper can fall down be picked up by the wind and fall down again - happens in parks all the time. Or do you claim that heavy airplane parts were found 8 miles away?
How did light material remain airborn for nearly 50 minutes?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#20. To: honway (#14)
I guess the wind was blowing in two directions that day. To the southeast and to the north.
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#21. To: Destro (#19)
How did it get over trees, hills, and other terrain? Light material catches on things like shrubs, in trees, in high grass... At 10 mph it would takle fifty minutes flying straight there without ever landing. That is not some whipped out of thin air guess. Physics got suspended in shanksville too on 9/11?
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#22. To: Critter (#21)
and who says some did not? The debris filed was not blank in between - there was a wind carried trail all the way the wind blew. Want to carry an experiment? Take a bag of paper and other light materials and scatter into the wind on a day like that day and a similar field and see how far it carries. You would be surprised.
How did it get over trees, hills, and other terrain? Light material catches on things like shrubs, in trees, in high grass...
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#23. To: Destro (#22)
It will blow to the first tree line and die. Knock off the BS.
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#24. To: Critter (#23)
The trees are made of tar? You cut out the fantasy land BS.
It will blow to the first tree line and die. Knock off the BS.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#25. To: Destro (#24) (Edited)
Now I know you're a shill. I suspected it in the past, but tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Anyone that wants to see what this debris had to magically fly over, go to google maps, enter Shanksville, PA, and then click on Hybrid on the upper right corner. You'll see what the magic debris had to traverse to get to New Baltimore. New Baltimore in slightly south and very east of Shanksville.
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#26. To: Critter (#25)
That is the sign of lunacy when you think anyone who disagrees with you is a shill or an agent, etc. That line is used when you guys can't fight back usually. You are upset because I ruined your party and you can't deny that no airplane parts were found 8 miles away - a position you guys were hinting at but dared not say because you can't back it up. By the way, I don't deny that there was a possible if not probable conspiracy on 9/11 involving the highest levels of officialdom - I just think you are being delusional in looking for jets being shot down or explosions being carried out by squibbs, etc.
Now I know you're a shill. I suspected it in the past, but tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#27. To: Destro (#22)
Do this. Find a bridge. Drop pages of a newspaper off the bridge in a 10 mph wind. Watch how far the newspaper pages are blown by the wind.
Want to carry an experiment? Take a bag of paper and other light materials and scatter into the wind on a day like that day and a similar field and see how far it carries. You would be surprised.
#28. To: Destro (#26)
If debris was influenced by wind in the manner you suggest, every time there was a 10 mph wind and leaves were falling we would expect leaves to travel miles before reaching the ground.
#29. To: honway (#27)
If you do the google map hybrid thing, you'll see that the debris had to cross, one, maybe two ridgelines, and probably the PA turnpike on its journey. lmao!
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#30. To: honway (#28)
Cool! I never have to rake again! Oh wait, I'll have to rake the guy's leaves who lives 10 miles the other way. Shit.
If debris was influenced by wind in the manner you suggest, every time there was a 10 mph wind and leaves were falling we would expect leaves to travel miles before reaching the ground.
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#31. To: honway (#27)
I live in NY city I see paper blow many miles.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#32. To: Critter, honway (#30)
If the 8 miles away paper and light fabric debris trail is proof Flt 93 was shot down - where are the airplane parts that would be part of the falling debris rain along those 8 miles? All you have is paper and fabric. Shucks.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#33. To: Critter (#20)
You must be onto something if Destro is here trying to distract you.
I guess the wind was blowing in two directions that day. To the southeast and to the north.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#34. To: Destro (#32)
Well lets think about that for a minute. What would carry farther in the wind from an altidtude of say 10,000 feet? From up there, I could see lightweight debris floating on the breeze for a bunch of miles. Heavier debris would carry less far in the wind and land closer to the main wreckage. The evidence points much more toward being shot down than crashing.
If the 8 miles away paper and light fabric debris trail is proof Flt 93 was shot down - where are the airplane parts that would be part of the falling debris rain along those 8 miles?
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#35. To: Destro (#31)
Can you explain why they did not find debris from American Flight 77 eight miles away?
#36. To: angle, honway (#33)
Actually, Honway was onto it before me, and I'm just going along for the ride. hehehe But you're right. Destro seems pretty desperate to hide this little goodie.
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#37. To: Destro (#17) (Edited)
Extremely UNlikely given the angle of the crash--almost straight in. The close up of the impact crater, here: http://stj911.org/ evidence/flight93.html#debris_fields shows papers laying about but NO identifiable plane parts: how can paper survive but identifiable plane parts not?? Perhaps, this is the same type of indestrucable paper product from which a highjackers passport was made from-- the one found on the New York City sidewalk after the WTC conflagration. Light debris would get caught up in terrain features prior to traveling 8 miles. Further, an engine core was reported to have been found 2000 feet from the impact crater. Another point: the burned trees adjacent to the impact crater indicate the jet was traveling west.
Are you saying that paper and other light debris (that was mostly what was found 8 miles away) can't travel that distance on a windy day? Come on guys stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
#38. To: Critter (#25)
I don't really know what happened to United 93, but if I get your implication, you beleive that Flight 93 was shot down? If that is so, why would the "extra" debris field be located "slightly south and very east of Shanksville"? Presumably the "extra" debris would be caused by a primary impact of a missile with the known debris field being the final crash site. In other words, a missile hits the plane at point "A" causing the "extra" debris field and then the plane continues on for a bit until it crashes at point "B". The problem with this hypothesis is that the plane's flight path was from the northwest. Which means that if there was a primary impact, i.e. from the missile, it would be north and west of Shanksville, not south and east. How do you account for that?
New Baltimore in slightly south and very east of Shanksville.
#39. To: wbales (#37)
you got it!
shows papers laying about but NO identifiable plane parts: how can paper survive but identifiable plane parts not?? Perhaps, this is the same type of indestrucable paper product from which a highjackers passport was made from-- the one found on the New York City sidewalk after the WTC conflagration.
#40. To: Critter (#30)
Oh wait, I'll have to rake the guy's leaves who lives 10 miles the other way. Shit. funny :P
Cool! I never have to rake again!
#41. To: Critter, angle, honway (#36)
Um, no. Not hiding anything. You guys weaken the level of discourse here. You are Freepers in mentality if no in loyalty.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#42. To: wbales, loopy (#37) (Edited)
Paper was reported in various stages of intactness from partially burned to intact. If it was blown up in the air the momentum would have carried parts over but it did not. I see plane parts everywhere around the impact zone- the plane broke up into small pieces - there are no substantial plane debris outside the impact area. Thus using fabric and paper bits found some miles away downwind as proof it was shot down is weak at best - deceptive at worst. When things explode in the air traveling at speed they don't fall straight down - they fall towards their previous momentum. Newtonian physics. PS: I hold an airframe and power plant license since High School.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#43. To: Destro (#42)
Well then. I thought you worked for a steel plant. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 'It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluations... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
PS: I hold an airframe and power plant license since High School.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#44. To: All, christine (#43) (Edited)
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#45. To: angle (#43) (Edited)
I did. I graduated a vocational aviation high school - I got a high school diploma while I was taking shop courses. Since my grades were good enough I went to college and never worked in the field. Honey Pot Operation: A honey pot operation, is one in which the government attracts overwhelming attention to an easily disprovable issue, making it the cornerstone of for example the 9/11 truth movement. According to Chris Farrell, the Director of Investigations & Research at Judicial Watch a honey pot operation is "a baited trap, it draws somebody into a situation in which they're compromised."
Well then. I thought you worked for a steel plant.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#46. To: Destro (#45)
I guess you got your power plant license in high school as well. Did you learn the aerodynamics of debris there as well? And, conveniently, you work in a steel plant? Simply amazing coincidence.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#47. To: honway, Christine, Brian S, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#2)
The answer is that the debris fields came out of the ass-end of a C-130. {Hey BAC, you evade the Flight 93 issue; any comments, yet? In fact, your silence on the topic - when I was building up my web site - was my clue that something important was to be discovered there.}
#48. To: angle (#46)
No longer, we were taken over in a hostile takeover and I started a new job - in the print media!! It's a conspiracy!!! I also went to school to get my teaching license but never finished that because the private sector paid better.
I guess you got your power plant license in high school as well. Did you learn the aerodynamics of debris there as well? And, conveniently, you work in a steel plant? Simply amazing coincidence.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#49. To: angle (#46)
Yup - my A&P by 18. Never worked in the field though. I went to the vocational school to avoid my zone school which was in the ghetto. As a white guy I did not want to be a human target at my designated ghetto school and my parents were too poor to send me to private school.
I guess you got your power plant license in high school as well
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#50. To: AGAviator (#43)
Du bist piloten, ja? any info you can add?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#51. To: AGAviator (#43) (Edited)
PS: I think they think I had a hand in bringing down the WTC towers.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#52. To: Destro (#51)
This tower? Hell, no. It fell down by itself. Within each trade tower there were 47 steel columns at the core and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns in total. According to the official story, random spread out fires on different floors caused all these columns to totally collapse at the same time and at a free fall speed, with no resistance from undamaged parts of the structure.
I had a hand in bringing down the WTC towers
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#53. To: honway (#27)
Well destro says he sees debris blown for miles in NYC, so I don't know what to tell ya. (Can you even see for miles in NYC?)
Drop pages of a newspaper off the bridge in a 10 mph wind.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#54. To: Loopy (#38)
The problem with this hypothesis is that the plane's flight path was from the northwest. Which means that if there was a primary impact, i.e. from the missile, it would be north and west of Shanksville, not south and east. How do you account for that? http://stj911.org/ evidence/flight93.html#debris_fields In that link there is a photo indicating the impact direction to be to the WEST. It is discussed there. If the plane was hit while traveling west, a debris field might be located to the south and east.
If that is so, why would the "extra" debris field be located "slightly south and very east of Shanksville"? Presumably the "extra" debris would be caused by a primary impact of a missile with the known debris field being the final crash site. In other words, a missile hits the plane at point "A" causing the "extra" debris field and then the plane continues on for a bit until it crashes at point "B".
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
#55. To: angle (#52) (Edited)
I don't know why that impresses you - Compared to a better building structure in terms of strength would be internal columns - the way say the Empire State Building is built - the WTC's design - new for its day - comes off as weak - designed to remove internal columns to make WTC an open office space. See the box frame construction of the Empre State Bldg. If it was built like the Empire State Bld below it would probably have not collapsed. Within each trade tower there were 47 steel columns at the core and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns in total.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#56. To: Destro (#55)
If the Empire State Building were rigged with explosives, it too would have collapsed like the WTC. Lessee what you got on the debris field 8 miles away from a crashed airplane.
If it was built like the Empire State Bld below it would probably have not collapsed.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
#57. To: angle (#56)
You mean paper and bits of cloth? You have low standards for evidence. When you can point to a piece or pices of the fuselage 8 miles away let me know.
Lessee what you got on the debris field 8 miles away from a crashed airplane.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
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