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Title: 2nd Debris Field Found 6 miles from United 93 Crash Site
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWi0JpI__M
Published: Mar 27, 2007
Author: CNN
Post Date: 2007-03-27 18:54:41 by honway
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#1. To: honway (#0)
Another one of those reports that the media and the gov desperately try to ignore now, eh?
There are only two possibilities here. 1.The 9/11 Commission lied in their report concerning the crash of United 93. 2. There was a second debris field 6 or more miles away from the primary crash site. It really is that simple. If it can be confirmed there was a 2nd debris field, the 9/11 Commission deliberately lied to the American people and participated in a cover-up of mass murder.
Well, that report did say they had a crw on their way out to the new debris field. I wonder if they ever got there and did a report from there?
It would definitely be valuable footage, of the 'smoking gun' kind.
16 minutes into this clip, the spin begins:
The FBI is saying debris was found 8 miles away. They say that it was found to the southeast, and that there was a 9 knot wind blowing to the southeast. They said that the NTSB said not only is it feasible for lightweight debris to be carried 8 miles in that wind, but probable. 9 knots is 10.3 mph. In order for debris to be blown 8 miles, it would have had to remain airborn for about 50 minutes. 50 minutes! Is that about as ludicrous a contention as you ever heard?
I bet BeAChooser could rationally explain it.
For the next few hours, Hankinson gathered charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual -- she remembers a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport -- and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports. "And there was some black webbing -- a lot of people found that," she said. The webbing, flexible where it hadn't burned, crisp where it had, was from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner. Are you saying that paper and other light debris (that was mostly what was found 8 miles away) can't travel that distance on a windy day? Come on guys stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
Extremely UNlikely given the angle of the crash--almost straight in. The close up of the impact crater, here: http://stj911.org/ evidence/flight93.html#debris_fields shows papers laying about but NO identifiable plane parts: how can paper survive but identifiable plane parts not?? Perhaps, this is the same type of indestrucable paper product from which a highjackers passport was made from-- the one found on the New York City sidewalk after the WTC conflagration. Light debris would get caught up in terrain features prior to traveling 8 miles. Further, an engine core was reported to have been found 2000 feet from the impact crater. Another point: the burned trees adjacent to the impact crater indicate the jet was traveling west.
Paper was reported in various stages of intactness from partially burned to intact. If it was blown up in the air the momentum would have carried parts over but it did not. I see plane parts everywhere around the impact zone- the plane broke up into small pieces - there are no substantial plane debris outside the impact area. Thus using fabric and paper bits found some miles away downwind as proof it was shot down is weak at best - deceptive at worst. When things explode in the air traveling at speed they don't fall straight down - they fall towards their previous momentum. Newtonian physics. PS: I hold an airframe and power plant license since High School.
Well then. I thought you worked for a steel plant. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 'It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluations... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
PS: I think they think I had a hand in bringing down the WTC towers.
This tower? Hell, no. It fell down by itself. Within each trade tower there were 47 steel columns at the core and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns in total. According to the official story, random spread out fires on different floors caused all these columns to totally collapse at the same time and at a free fall speed, with no resistance from undamaged parts of the structure.
I don't know why that impresses you - Compared to a better building structure in terms of strength would be internal columns - the way say the Empire State Building is built - the WTC's design - new for its day - comes off as weak - designed to remove internal columns to make WTC an open office space. See the box frame construction of the Empre State Bldg. If it was built like the Empire State Bld below it would probably have not collapsed.
If the Empire State Building were rigged with explosives, it too would have collapsed like the WTC. Lessee what you got on the debris field 8 miles away from a crashed airplane.
You mean paper and bits of cloth? You have low standards for evidence. When you can point to a piece or pices of the fuselage 8 miles away let me know.
The NIST has low standards for evidence. I use intelligence, common sense and observation. Again, where do you live in NYC where you can see debris blown for miles? I find that fascinating.
Ok, using your observations - where is the fuselage debris that would be found up to 8 miles away as would be expected to be found if the plane was broken apart in flight by a missile and continued to fall forwards due to momentum. Newtonian physics state that an object in motion stays in motion until acted upon. So we should see debris of a heavier nature outside of the crash zone.
What kind of missile? What kind of plane? How fast was it flying? How far was the plane from the ground? Exactly where was the plane when it was hit by the missile? In what direction was the plane flying? How much weight was the plane carrying?
#63. To: angle (#60)
Your theory - you tell us.
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#2. To: Critter (#1)
Another one of those reports that the media and the gov desperately try to ignore now, eh?
#3. To: honway (#2)
#4. To: Critter (#3)
I wonder if they ever got there and did a report from there?
#8. To: honway (#4)
#9. To: All (#8)
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#13. To: Critter, honway (#9)
Is that about as ludicrous a contention as you ever heard?
#17. To: wbales (#13)
I bet BeAChooser could rationally explain it.
#37. To: Destro (#17)
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Are you saying that paper and other light debris (that was mostly what was found 8 miles away) can't travel that distance on a windy day? Come on guys stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
#42. To: wbales, loopy (#37)
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#43. To: Destro (#42)
PS: I hold an airframe and power plant license since High School.
#51. To: AGAviator (#43)
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#52. To: Destro (#51)
I had a hand in bringing down the WTC towers
#55. To: angle (#52)
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Within each trade tower there were 47 steel columns at the core and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns in total.
#56. To: Destro (#55)
If it was built like the Empire State Bld below it would probably have not collapsed.
#57. To: angle (#56)
Lessee what you got on the debris field 8 miles away from a crashed airplane.
#58. To: Destro (#57)
#59. To: angle (#58)
I use intelligence, common sense and observation.
#60. To: Destro (#59)
Replies to Comment # 60. What kind of missile? What kind of plane?
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