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Published: Mar 30, 2007
Author: John Kusumi
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OpEdNews Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_john_kus_070328_breaking_my_silence_.htm Breaking my silence on 9/11 Truth By John Kusumi Initially I preferred to keep silent about the 9/11 Truth Movement, to not be diverted from my issue. I've been associated with the China Support Network, being its founder, and in recent years, I give my speeches in that vein exclusively. That means, I have a cause and I don't need a spare cause, nor a soapbox, nor a reason to be known in the public discourse, where I've contributed since 1980. My 9/11 article is written, not oral; in any public appearance, I remain on the China issue. The article is volunteered and not sponsored; I simply think it fair to have the question, "What happened on 9/11?", and to have the indicated investigation that is genuine and impartial, rather than a whitewash. Read on, to where I suggest a role for Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly. Recently, Rosie O'Donnell raised the issue of 9/11 Truth, questioning how one or more of the buildings fell in New York City on September 11, 2001. Also, actor Charlie Sheen has come out with his own questions and concerns about what happened that day, and we've learned that he will narrate an updated version of Loose Change, a documentary that questions the official story of 9/11. This led to mentions on television by Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, top conservative commentators who seem to have replaced George Will and Bob Novak. (Note to youngsters: The latter were leading conservative commentators in the post-Watergate period. What's Watergate? Check Wikipedia.) I cannot be counted a fanatic on the issue of 9/11 truth. I do my share of writing, publishing, and speaking; and, but for one related blog post, this is my first article on the subject. The standard that I would like to uphold is truth, period -- something that all should care about, and that journalists in particular should be finicky to discern and record accurately. The field of journalism at least bills itself to be concerned about non-fiction and a first draft of history. I believe that non-fiction and truth are synonyms, and that to sweat these details ought to be right up the alley of U.S. journalists. Imagine if you will a bumper sticker that says: "Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt Knew." In the 1940s, there were many very staunch, patriotic citizens, who likely had full faith in their President Roosevelt (FDR) and for whom our hypothetical bumper sticker may hurt, or sting deeply. The sticker could be rejected on the simple basis that it is alien to the world view, held by those observers, of FDR as an upright and above-board U.S. President. More recent research, however, has convinced many historians that the sticker is indeed accurate. I believe that even our mainstream commentators have allowed the same, so that we now have an accepted view of history, to wit that Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor. If so, then the truth behind Pearl Harbor becomes LIHOP -- Let It Happen On Purpose. The above paragraph does NOT prove anything about 9/11. If people make bumper stickers saying, "9/11: Bush Knew," then they still must make their case. For those who assert provocatively, there is an onus or a burden of proof. Words are not "more true" on a bumper sticker, and "less true" elsewhere. The standard of proof is not in the placement of the words. However, I believe and would stand behind a bumper sticker that said: "Tiananmen Square: Bush Knew." (That refers to the elder President Bush, who gave a nod and a wink to Chinese leaders before their troops went to Tiananmen Square. Chinese leaders MIHOP -- Made It Happen On Purpose.) For those who are toying with the possibilities, alternate explanations for 9/11 include (a.) "we were surprised -- they got one by us (totally innocent);" (b.) "we were warned, but we failed to connect the dots (totally incompetent);" (c.) LIHOP (partial inside job, partially sinister); and (d.) MIHOP (an inside job, totally sinister). The official explanation has already migrated, since the early days, from (a.) to (b.). Perhaps one reason why I've avoided 9/11 Truth as a topic is due to its parallel with rejecting the "Roosevelt knew of Pearl Harbor" thought, as above. Explanations (c.) and (d.) for 9/11 entail the culpability of someone in our own government. It is alien to the world view that the U.S. Government protects Americans. In this case, Americans were harmed by perpetrators who were clearly evil, and it is harsh -- indeed anguishing -- to contemplate the case if it were that the hand of evil was partly domestic. Culpability within our own government would make 9/11 the crime of the century. I will not take up the job of re-iterating the case that's been made by the 9/11 Truth Movement. But, increasing numbers of questions have been uncovered, and the awareness of prior warnings, given to the U.S. government in advance, has increased. The number of warnings reported has risen since the early days -- the immediate aftermath of 9/11. This means that we know more now, than previously. For brevity, I'd care to focus on three points that I'll call, "Tip-off #1, Tip-off #2, and The Nub Of The Matter." To me, Tip-off #1 is a point that I earlier blogged: "It seems ridiculously implausible that the FBI tracked down 19 mug shots of 19 hijackers, and got that to the news media the same day as the attacks! Again, without inside knowledge, but with general awareness of the working world, how it goes, and what's plausible -- I look at that, and I say to myself, 'prepared slide.'" Each airplane had more than five passengers. Full investigation took less than a day, and the FBI knew precisely who among the passengers was "in" and "out" of the conspiracy. This was reported with certitude the same day, and the official slide with the 19 men remains an enduring memory, seared in there without additions or deletions. (Where we might have expected a developing story, the slide did not change, although some of the hijackers were reported to be alive and well, still living in the Middle East.) The mere fact that the FBI had those 19 mug shots "tips off" their prior familiarity with these men. Tip-off #2 is a recent point. In late February, 2007, the 9/11 Truth Movement released BBC video from 9/11, in which the BBC reported that building seven had collapsed IN ADVANCE. That is to say that the building was still standing while the BBC reported the demise of the building. The timing of their story was off. Half an hour later, the building came down and "got on the page." It seems that Aaron Brown over at CNN made a similar report, that the building was toast before it was in fact toast. 9/11 was certainly a day of "on the ground" events happening. But Tip-offs #1 and #2 each strongly suggest that 9/11 was also a day of news being spoonfed by the media. The early report of building seven collapsing (at BBC and CNN) was not from eyewitnesses on the ground. The faulty information had to come from somewhere (A prepared plan? A press release?) other than eyeballs on the scene. Where did the media get this information, and who was spoonfeeding it to them? Let's move to the nub of the matter. Many in the 9/11 Truth Movement are screaming that controlled demolition brought the buildings down. The original designs and plans for the World Trade Center were meant to withstand a jetliner impact, although we can admit that the designs probably contemplated earlier planes and less jet fuel. Hence, I believe that the towers natively would have withstood impact from a circa 1970 Boeing 737, and that the real difference in the case of 9/11 was "all that jet fuel." The official explanation of 9/11 hinges on the idea that "all that jet fuel" brought the towers down. (And, in my view, the official explanation cannot explain the fall of building seven, which did not even have an airplane impact.) What's true is this: jet fuel has a particular temperature at which it burns, and steel has a particular temperature at which it melts. These are empirically measurable, so there need not be different melting points for liberals, conservatives, mainstreamers, and "loony wack job internet conspiracy theorists." It is America's chronically-lame news media that is so quick to be so judgmental -- or at least, it was Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck who, on their shows, seemed to circle the wagons for "mainstream thinking" -- at the expense of others, who were the recipients for name-calling and ad hominem attacks. (Note to youngsters: Ad hominem or "to the man" attacks never prove anything. If person A says that "X is true," and then person B says "Yah well, A is a Communist," that does not prove that X is false. X will be true or false, independently of whether A is a Communist. Even Communists can say true things --so really, personal details about A are irrelevant to X.) In their recent televised statements, O'Reilly and Beck "took sides," fulfilling their (God-given? Bush-given?) roles as defenders of "official truth." And, it seems to me, this taking of sides was in the absence of kicking the tires or full investigation. (An entire separate article could be made with the reservations about the 9/11 Commission.) If we actually cared to get to the bottom of 9/11, I believe that we would measure the temperature of burning jet fuel, and the melting point of structural steel. I've never done it personally, so perhaps I could still join Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck -- I do not know the outcome of the test that I propose. (Are there published specifications that state these two temperatures? Yes, but the 9/11 Truth Movement is where arguments have broken out over empirical data. One side or the other might warn me against trusting a high school chemistry book, so I am now too skeptical for any approach that cannot "show me." It remains true, for me, that seeing is believing.) I want to see a test in which they try to melt steel with jet fuel. While I personally lack a handy supply of either, there are 50 State Governors who could order their National Guard to undertake this test (and, if Fox and CNN want to save their credibility, they could fund this test). A vat of jet fuel should be prepared, perhaps sunken into the ground as in a foundation or a back yard swimming pool. A steel girder meeting the same specifications as WTC columns should be placed across this vat. I don't require a re-creation of the towers; just one girder. For good measure, one could place a heavy weight like a wrecking ball atop the girder. Then simply ignite the vat and let the jet fuel burn. Show me that jet fuel can melt steel. Here, I have devolved the case to a test of an empirical nature with a boolean outcome: the test either will, or will not, melt the steel. If it will, then I will be more ready to believe the official story. If it will not, then "Houston, we have a problem," and a full explanation of 9/11 must then involve more effort to bring down the towers; more than merely the thought of letting the jet fuel burn to do its thing. What's notable about America's news media has been its LACK of inquiry, curiosity, and skepticism. As one of the biggest atrocities against Americans on our own soil, 9/11 should logically be the MOST deserving of investigation, skepticism, and critical inquiry. O'Reilly and Beck share that "oh so certain" quality of the suave, sophisticated media announcers who read the news from Easy Street, while truth-seekers are derided for being "out of the mainstream." How sure are they, really? How will they react to my proposal of this test? Are they just smoothies who are putting one past the public? This test could tell us the answer, and for one more requirement: --I want it to be Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck who presses the button to ignite the jet fuel. Either the girder, or their credibility, will become toast. Authors Website: http://www.kusumi.com Authors Bio: John Kusumi, in 1984, was the independent "18-year-old" for U.S. President. Presidential politics has no earlier introduction of "the politics of practical idealism," which Kusumi championed with his "People Are Important" bumper stickers. He continues to work on a manuscript, 'Genocidal Correctness' to define and debunk "the reservation" of "mainstream thinking." See http://Kusumi.com.
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#1. To: Kamala (#0)
Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly are paid propagandists. Both play to their audience's ego driven sense of self importance and baseless sense of superior intelligence to guide the mesmerized morons of fake patriotism to support the ridiculous claims against the arab world. Beck, like Medved, Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly, is a full blown nazi- propagandist for the "State of Israel", all of which use the brain dead evangelical Christian populace to orchestrate genocide on an unprecedented scale. These pied pipers of propaganda are paid puppets and pussies that use fear tactics and "islamo-fascism" to further their zionazi master's agenda for promoting a world government that feels it must confiscate the arab oil while subjugating the populations of the middle-east to accept the filth promoted by these sick fucks throughout the western world. No population on earth has ever been subjected to the intensity of fraud and propaganda as Americans are currently under.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
How about jet fuel melting steel across the street? WTC-7 is a REAL eye opener. (Among NUMEROUS others).
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Beck, like Medved, Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly, is a full blown nazi- propagandist for the "State of Israel", all of which use the brain dead evangelical Christian populace to orchestrate genocide on an unprecedented scale. These pied pipers of propaganda are paid puppets and pussies that use fear tactics and "islamo-fascism" to further their zionazi master's agenda for promoting a world government that feels it must confiscate the arab oil while subjugating the populations of the middle-east to accept the filth promoted by these sick fucks throughout the western world. No population on earth has ever been subjected to the intensity of fraud and propaganda as Americans are currently under. Well-written rant: "Brevity," Shakespeare said, " is the soul of wit."
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I understand that there is a concerted effort to initiate a theory that demonstrates the "real" truth related to the building collpases. The theory is that the fires that brought down the buildings were caused by the ignition of tonnes of horseshit provided by the mainstream media and the government.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Why is that goofball Alan Colmbes even on that show--Hannity's doormat?
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
What do you think of the claim / theory that Shakespeare was Francis Bacon ???
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
They had to look long and hard to find someone that could make Hannity appear normal ... and Alan was the best they could do.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Outstanding de-bunking article - thanks.
It looks to me like Hannity and Combes changed roles in recent years. Remember when it was Colmbes defending Clinton at all cost, no matter how stupid he had to look, and no matter how many truths he had to completely discount? Now Colmbes is the voice of reason on the show and Hannity is defending Bush at all cost, no matter how stupid he has to look, and no matter how many truths he has to completely discount... If you listen between the lines in Colmbes' questioning of guests concerning 9/11 truth, you will hear a truther dying to come out, but afraid to do so.
#2. To: Kamala (#0)
Then simply ignite the vat and let the jet fuel burn. Show me that jet fuel can melt steel.
#3. To: noone222 (#1)
Kamala Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly are paid propagandists. Both play to their audience's ego driven sense of self importance and baseless sense of superior intelligence to guide the mesmerized morons of fake patriotism to support the ridiculous claims against the arab world.
#4. To: wbales (#2)
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#5. To: noone222 (#1)
Hannity
#6. To: Zoroaster (#3)
#7. To: wbales (#5)
#8. To: Kamala (#0)
#9. To: wbales (#5)
Why is that goofball Alan Colmbes even on that show--Hannity's doormat?
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#10. To: Kamala, ALL (#0)
Yes, do that and realize that if the mainstream media, anti-war movement and anti-government conspiracists had been allowed to act then as they have now ... we'd have lost World War 2. Consider the implications of THAT, folks. Actually, the designs didn't incorporate jet fuel at all. According to the head structural engineer on the project, Les Robertson. Furthermore, the 911 *Truth* Movement won't acknowledge that the design impact had at least 7 times less energy than the energy of the impacts on 9/11. Again, according to the head structural engineer. The difference is not just "all that jet fuel". First, melting steel is not necessary to bring down the towers. It isn't even postulated in the official theory put forth by NIST. Therefore, the only reason the 911 *Truth* Movement keeps bringing up "melting" is as strawman. Second, the 911 *Truth* Movement seems incapable of recognizing that fuel was only the starter of the fire ... that other things in buildings can burn and some of them can burn very very hot. A temperature of over 1400 F was MEASURED at the Windsor Tower fire and that was a fire where jet fuel played no part. Add plastics to the mix and temperatures can get even hotter. This is something that 911 *Truth*ers simply will not acknowledge no matter how many times you point them to sources proving it. Strawman. A dishonest debating tactic. That is all this is. Shame on you John Kusumi. But you will probably make a great democRAT *politician*.
Imagine if you will a bumper sticker that says: "Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt Knew."
The original designs and plans for the World Trade Center were meant to withstand a jetliner impact, although we can admit that the designs probably contemplated earlier planes and less jet fuel.
What's true is this: jet fuel has a particular temperature at which it burns, and steel has a particular temperature at which it melts.
I want to see a test in which they try to melt steel with jet fuel.
#11. To: BeAChooser, Kamala (#10)
BAC: Yes, do that and realize that if the mainstream media, anti-war movement and anti-government conspiracists had been allowed to act then as they have now ... we'd have lost World War 2. Consider the implications of THAT, folks. BAC, wait a minute - stop your cut and paste and think for yourself for a change. Don't you believe that citizens should be informed if a President or a gov't agency lies to the public and in fact uses lies to get our nation into a war? If FDR could have prevented Pearl Harbor, don't you think that fact should have been made known to the public? Isn't that the obligation of our press/media - to inform its readers? If GWB consciously used manipulated intel to get us into the Iraq War, should that not be made known, regardless of whether the truth comes from individual groups or the media - the President and gov't agencies are accountable to US citizenry, they are not running their own show for their own pleasure or personal goals.
Kamala: Imagine if you will a bumper sticker that says: "Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt Knew."
#12. To: wbales (#2)
That's what I keep coming back to. WTC 7 is THE smoking gun of 9/11 - and that's why I keep hammering on it over and over and over. It's an old technique - find the weakest spot on your opponent and keep hitting it over and over until they crumble. I'm sure it must drive the government apologists crazy that more and more people are openly doubting the official story. Too bad for them, my heart just bleeds, really. And golly, wasn't it just amazing how Rumsfeld just happened to give a press conference the afternoon of September 10th, 2001 talking about how 2.3 TRILLION dollars were simply "missing" from the Pentagon budget? Gosh, isn't that something? It's almost like he knew something was going to happen the next morning to push that little story right out of the headlines. And gee, wasn't it just a darn shame that the collapse of WTC 7 just happened to wipe out literally TONS of incriminating documents regarding scores of corporate crimes and stock manipulations (indluding a majority of Enron's SEC filings) that were being investigated by the SEC, who just happened to have their offices in - wait for it - WTC 7? Golly gee willikers, and that's just the proverbial "tip of the iceberg" of all of the amazing "coincidences" that happened regarding 9/11, the "trigger event" that has now pushed this nation into a condition of never ending permawar. Well, just don't think about it. Wave that flag, eat that cheeseburger, and shop till you drop. Just don't ever, EVER think for yourself. Because that could be dangerous for you, you know...
How about jet fuel melting steel across the street? WTC-7 is a REAL eye opener. (Among NUMEROUS others).
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#13. To: Kamala (#0)
Damn. That's fucking brilliant. Score a major point for 9-11 truth.
To me, Tip-off #1 is a point that I earlier blogged: "It seems ridiculously implausible that the FBI tracked down 19 mug shots of 19 hijackers, and got that to the news media the same day as the attacks! Again, without inside knowledge, but with general awareness of the working world, how it goes, and what's plausible -- I look at that, and I say to myself, 'prepared slide.'" Each airplane had more than five passengers. Full investigation took less than a day, and the FBI knew precisely who among the passengers was "in" and "out" of the conspiracy. This was reported with certitude the same day, and the official slide with the 19 men remains an enduring memory, seared in there without additions or deletions. (Where we might have expected a developing story, the slide did not change, although some of the hijackers were reported to be alive and well, still living in the Middle East.) The mere fact that the FBI had those 19 mug shots "tips off" their prior familiarity with these men.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#14. To: wbales (#2)
WTC 7 is a big issue with me, too. As for whether the planes crashing into the twin towers could have brought them down, I am satisfied that it could have and probably did. The reason I say this is that the planes hitting the towers alone would have accomplished all the objectives that 9-11 (assuming it was an inside job) planners could have hoped for. What use in blowing up the buildings in addition (and assuming the additional risk of being caught)? Building 7 is a horse of a different color, and it sure looks like a controlled demo to me.
How about jet fuel melting steel across the street? WTC-7 is a REAL eye opener. (Among NUMEROUS others).
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#15. To: BeAChooser (#10)
You're saying that without FDR in office we'd have lost WWII? That's absurd.
Yes, do that and realize that if the mainstream media, anti-war movement and anti-government conspiracists had been allowed to act then as they have now ... we'd have lost World War 2. Consider the implications of THAT, folks.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#16. To: BeAChooser, Kamala, all... (#10)
Weird how you made no mention of building 7 there, BAC....
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#17. To: BeAChooser (#10)
He did know, not necessarily the minutae of the attack, but he sure as hell poked them repeatedly knowing full well they'd attack, and that would activate their mutual pact with the Germans, getting us into a European war which at the time was an extremely unpopular concept with Americans. I'm not saying that was a bad strategic decision either, at that particular time. The discussion of that train of thought would need to include the wisdom or folly of letting the Germans emerge from WWI victorious rather than sidling in on the French/British side to protect a bunch of bankers interests...
Imagine if you will a bumper sticker that says: "Pearl Harbor: Roosevelt Knew."
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#18. To: BeAChooser (#10)
Sometimes it isn't best for a country -- never mind for humanity in general -- to win a war. Germany, for example, is better off now for having lost World War II. There's no reason to think that that is a unique case.
Yes, do that and realize that if the mainstream media, anti-war movement and anti-government conspiracists had been allowed to act then as they have now ... we'd have lost World War 2. Consider the implications of THAT, folks.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#19. To: Elliott Jackalope, wbales, ALL (#12)
Melted steel (presumably) was found in the ruins of WTC7 for the same reason it was found in the rubble that was WTC1 and WTC2. And that explanation has little to do with jet fuel other than as an initiator of a hot fire.
wbales - How about jet fuel melting steel across the street? WTC-7 is a REAL eye opener. ... snip ...
That's what I keep coming back to. WTC 7 is THE smoking gun of 9/11
#20. To: bluedogtxn, ALL (#14)
So let's see if we have your theory right ... The planes hitting WTC1 and WTC2, and bringing them down, was just a cover for the deliberate destruction of WTC7. Is that it???
Building 7 is a horse of a different color, and it sure looks like a controlled demo to me.
#21. To: BeAChooser (#20)
The planes hitting WTC1 and WTC2, and bringing them down, was just a cover for the deliberate destruction of WTC7. Is that it??? I don't have a theory. I'm a liberal and we're open minded. What I'm saying is that I haven't heard you come up with a coherent reason for building 7 coming down, or the fact that it was announced as having collapsed before it did by the BBC and others, or the fact that someone said "we made the decision to pull-it", or the fact that when it comes down the roofline stays intact and it collapses into its own footprint. I haven't heard a reasonable explanation for WTC7 from the official conspiracy theorists like yourself that rebuts the unofficial conspiracy theorists. I seems perfectly reasonable to me that if a bunch of highly connected American people wanted to bring down the WTC they could co-opt a former CIA asset (Bin- Laden) to recruit some crazy Muzzies to fly the planes, and plant some explosives to make sure the job got done completely. Who knows? Maybe the plane that went down in PA was supposed to hit building 7. All I know is that there's no good reason why a structurally sound building with only minor fires that was located across the street from the Towers should have collapsed. You've posted fairly convincing diagrams of the impacts of planes on the Pentagon and the Twin Towers; and I don't have to believe they were blown up to understand how they could have collapsed from being hit by planes. What I haven't seen is a solid explanation for the collapse of WTC 7, which fell like a house of cards collapsing.
So let's see if we have your theory right ...
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#22. To: bluedogtxn (#21)
Here's the best part. A poll by the New York Times and CBS news done last September / October showed that only sixteen percent of the American people now believe the official story about what happened on 9/11. Sixteen percent. The same poll shows 53% of the public believes that the government is "hiding something" and 28% believe the government is "mostly lying". Another 3% are "not sure". So, the recent efforts by government apologists to convince people that the "official story" is true is quite understandable. After all, if that story crumbles our current "democratic" regime is going to be very seriously weakened. So don't worry about the government apologists and their endless repetition of weak arguments. Most people aren't buying those arguments anyways. The fact that the government spent only $600,000 investigating 9/11 versus $40,000,000 investigating President Clinton's misdeeds with Monica Lewinsky in and of itself speaks volumes to most intelligent people. So, instead focus on the weakest parts of their "official" story, and keep planting seeds of doubt in people's minds, until finally enough people wake up to the lies they've been told, and become angry enough to demand real change in this desperately corrupt regime.
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#23. To: Kamala, REDPANTHER (#0)
BUMP
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may know peace." -Thomas Paine
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
- - IndieTX
#24. To: bluedogtxn, SKYDRIFTER, MINERVA, DIANA, all (#21)
BAC has no coherent reason for anything. He is a copy/paste artist and his debate skills are limited to answering questions with questions. In other words, he is a disingenuous shill.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may know peace." -Thomas Paine
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
- - IndieTX
#25. To: IndieTX, noone222, wbales, Zoroaster, Critter, lodwick, BeAChooser, scrapper2, Elliott Jackalope, bluedogtxn, Axenolith, aristeides, Kamala (#23) (Edited)
This is an hr and a half long video that finally addresses the 'real issue'. The most likely suspects are the least likely suspects. The Arabs enemies, The Jews, more accurately, the "ZIONISTS". Their motto is "By Deception we shall make War". They have gained control of our Government 'officials' and Military leaders through BLACKMALE concerning homosexual activities. Iraq, 911, and The Elaphant in the room. 1 hr 29 min 19 sec - Mar 28, 2007 http://www.rys2sense.com Finally a 911 movie that doesn't ignore Israel. This is the full version of the "All Roads" video. From http://Anti-Neocons.com uncover the lies about Iraq and 911 and how and why it is covered up by the media.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#26. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25)
Bookmarked.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#27. To: bluedogtxn, Christine, Diane, Robin (#14)
But in order to have a controlled demo of building 7 not look bad, they had to know the towers would collapse. The only way to know that for sure was to rig them to collapse. There is a theory that the tower collapses were supposed to cover the controlled demo of building 7, but something went wrong in that controlled demo, and 7 was still standing after the towers were gone. However, 7 had to go to cover up the crime, so the problem was repaired, and the demoliton carried out later in the day, only to be blamed on fire instead. I subscribe to that theory. Christine, I believe, knows where to find that theory on the web. Or at least one of the ladies here does.
Building 7 is a horse of a different color, and it sure looks like a controlled demo to me.
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#28. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, redpanther (#25)
Thanks. But do you have a website link to a transcript of that video? The music on that one is too rank to listen to for an hour..I can read faster. The vid looks like it's going to be excellent on content!
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"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may know peace." -Thomas Paine
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
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#29. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *9-11* (#25)
bookmarked, will watch this evening!
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
#30. To: noone222, Kamala (#4)
hahahahahahaha!!!! that was great.
I understand that there is a concerted effort to initiate a theory that demonstrates the "real" truth related to the building collpases. The theory is that the fires that brought down the buildings were caused by the ignition of tonnes of horseshit provided by the mainstream media and the government.
#31. To: Elliott Jackalope (#22)
Good observation.
The fact that the government spent only $600,000 investigating 9/11 versus $40,000,000 investigating President Clinton's misdeeds with Monica Lewinsky in and of itself speaks volumes to most intelligent people.
#32. To: bluedogtxn (#14) (Edited)
Have you watched 911 Mysteries: Demolition? If you haven't, please do, and let me know if you still believe that it's possible for the planes alone to have caused these buildings to IMPLODE (two buildings bursting into POWDER from top to bottom at FREEFALL speed).
As for whether the planes crashing into the twin towers could have brought them down, I am satisfied that it could have and probably did.
#33. To: Kamala (#0)
good article, Mark. thanks for the post.
What's notable about America's news media has been its LACK of inquiry, curiosity, and skepticism. As one of the biggest atrocities against Americans on our own soil, 9/11 should logically be the MOST deserving of investigation, skepticism, and critical inquiry. O'Reilly and Beck share that "oh so certain" quality of the suave, sophisticated media announcers who read the news from Easy Street, while truth-seekers are derided for being "out of the mainstream." How sure are they, really? How will they react to my proposal of this test? Are they just smoothies who are putting one past the public? This test could tell us the answer, and for one more requirement: --I want it to be Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck who presses the button to ignite the jet fuel. Either the girder, or their credibility, will become toast.
#34. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25)
Thanks, I'm downloading it right now.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
#35. To: bluedogtxn, noone222, Elliott Jackalope, wbales, Zoroaster, lodwick, Critter, scapper2, aristeides, IndieTX, robin, Christine, Itisa1mosttoolate, *9-11* (#21)
Business: Saturday, February 27, 1993 Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision Eric Nalder Engineers had to consider every peril they could imagine when they designed the World Trade Center three decades ago because, at the time, the twin towers were of unprecedented size for structures made of steel and glass. "We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an AIRPLANE HITTING THE SIDE," said JOHN SKILLING, HEAD STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. "However, back in those days people didn't think about terrorists very much." Skilling, based in Seattle, is among the WORLD'S TOP STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. He is responsible for much of Seattle's downtown skyline and for several of the world's tallest structures, including the Trade Center. Concerned because of a case where an airplane hit the Empire State Building, Skilling's people did an analysis that showed THE TOWERS WOULD WITHSTAND THE IMPACT OF A BOEING 707. "Our analysis indicated the BIGGEST PROBLEM would be the fact that ALL THE FUEL (from the airplane) WOULD DUMP INTO THE BUILDING. THERE WOULD BE A HORRENDOUS FIRE. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "THE BUILDING STRUCTURE WOULD STILL BE THERE." Skilling - a recognized expert in tall buildings - doesn't think a single 200-pound car bomb would topple or do major structural damage to a Trade Center tower. THE SUPPORTING COLUMNS ARE CLOSELY SPACED and even if SEVERAL WERE DISABLED, the OTHERS WOULD CARRY THE LOAD. "However," he added, "I'm not saying that PROPERLY APPLIED explosives - SHAPED explosives - of that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage." He took note of the fact that smoke and fire spread throughout the building yesterday. He said that is possibly because the pressurizing system that stops the spread of smoke didn't work when the electric power went off. Skilling, 72, was not involved in the design of the building mechanics. Although Skilling is not an explosives expert, he says THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW ENOUGH about BUILDING DEMOLITION TO BRING A STRUCTURE LIKE THE TRADE CENTER DOWN. "I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with EXPLOSIVES, I WOULD BET THAT HE COULD DO IT." Copyright (c) 1993 Seattle Times Company, All Rights Reserved. See post 10. "It" is a complete LIAR. "It" has zero credibility. "It" is nothing more than a patsy shill for "Its" handlers.
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=1687698&date=19930227
Mark
"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
#36. To: Kamala (#35)
YEP.
See post 10. "It" is a complete LIAR. "It" has zero credibility. "It" is nothing more than a patsy shill for "Its" handlers.
#37. To: noone222, christine (#1)
Very, very well said. This bothers me a lot, as it plays on and brings out a very ugly and evil side of human nature and thereby spreads that evil mindset like a bad virus.
Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly are paid propagandists. Both play to their audience's ego driven sense of self importance and baseless sense of superior intelligence to guide the mesmerized morons of fake patriotism to support the ridiculous claims against the arab world.
#38. To: Elliott Jackalope (#22)
the believers of the government LIE are the minority.
A poll by the New York Times and CBS news done last September / October showed that only sixteen percent of the American people now believe the official story about what happened on 9/11. Sixteen percent. The same poll shows 53% of the public believes that the government is "hiding something" and 28% believe the government is "mostly lying". Another 3% are "not sure".
#39. To: scrapper2, christine, skydrifter, all (#11)
What BAC is saying is that The ends, which must benefit TheStateInc, always justify the means of TheStateInc. IOW, he is holding the lighter while Chimp holds the Constitution up to the flame.
BAC: Yes, do that and realize that if the mainstream media, anti-war movement and anti-government conspiracists had been allowed to act then as they have now ... we'd have lost World War 2. Consider the implications of THAT, folks
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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
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#40. To: BeAChooser (#19)
Right it could have been high frequency electromagnetic weaponry.
Melted steel (presumably) was found in the ruins of WTC7 for the same reason it was found in the rubble that was WTC1 and WTC2. And that explanation has little to do with jet fuel other than as an initiator of a hot fire.
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