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Title: Lots of Ice Found at the South Pole
Source: NASA
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 2, 2007
Author: Nasa geeks
Post Date: 2007-04-02 16:30:56 by bluedogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 110
Comments: 9

Mars' South Pole Ice Deep and Wide

03.15.07

Pasadena, Calif. -- New measurements of Mars' south polar region indicate extensive frozen water. The polar region contains enough frozen water to cover the whole planet in a liquid layer approximately 11 meters (36 feet) deep. A joint NASA-Italian Space Agency instrument on the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft provided these data.

This new estimate comes from mapping the thickness of the ice. The Mars Express orbiter's radar instrument has made more than 300 virtual slices through layered deposits covering the pole to map the ice. The radar sees through icy layers to the lower boundary, which is as deep as 3.7 kilometers (2.3 miles) below the surface.

Image right: This map shows the thickness of the south polar layered deposits of Mars, an ice-rich geologic unit that was probed by the Mars Advanced Radar for Subsurface and Ionospheric Sounding (MARSIS). Image Credit: NASA/JPL/ASI/ESA/Univ. of Rome/MOLA Science Team/USGS + Full image and caption + View more images

"The south polar layered deposits of Mars cover an area bigger than Texas. The amount of water they contain has been estimated before, but never with the level of confidence this radar makes possible," said Jeffrey Plaut of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena Calif. Plaut is co-principal investigator for the radar and lead author of a new report on these findings published in the March 15 online edition of the journal Science.

The instrument, named the Mars Advanced Radar for Subsurface and Ionospheric Sounding (MARSIS), also is mapping the thickness of similar layered deposits at the north pole of Mars.

"Our radar is doing its job extremely well," said Giovanni Picardi, a professor at the University of Rome "La Sapienza," and principal investigator for the instrument.

"MARSIS is showing itself to be a very powerful tool to probe underneath the Martian surface, and it's showing how our team's goals, such as probing the polar layered deposits, are being successfully achieved," Picardi said. "Not only is MARSIS providing us with the first-ever views of Mars subsurface at those depths, but the details we are seeing are truly amazing. We expect even greater results when we have concluded an ongoing, sophisticated fine-tuning of our data processing methods. These should enable us to understand even better the surface and subsurface composition."

Polar layered deposits hold most of the known water on modern Mars, though other areas of the planet appear to have been very wet at times in the past. Understanding the history and fate of water on Mars is a key to studying whether Mars has ever supported life, since all known life depends on liquid water.

The polar layered deposits extend beyond and beneath a polar cap of bright-white frozen carbon dioxide and water at Mars' south pole. Dust darkens many of the layers. However, the strength of the echo that the radar receives from the rocky surface underneath the layered deposits suggests the composition of the layered deposits is at least 90 percent frozen water. One area with an especially bright reflection from the base of the deposits puzzles researchers. It resembles what a thin layer of liquid water might look like to the radar instrument, but the conditions are so cold that the presence of melted water is deemed highly unlikely.

Detecting the shape of the ground surface beneath the ice deposits provides information about even deeper structures of Mars. "We didn't really know where the bottom of the deposit was," Plaut said. "Now we can see that the crust has not been depressed by the weight of the ice as it would be on the Earth. The crust and upper mantle of Mars are stiffer than the Earth's, probably because the interior of Mars is so much colder."

The MARSIS instrument on the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter was developed jointly by the Italian Space Agency and NASA, under the scientific supervision of the University of Rome "La Sapienza," in partnership with JPL and the University of Iowa, Iowa City. JPL manages NASA's roles in Mars Express for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington.

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit: www.nasa.gov

POSTER COMMENT: I'd already have my friggin' Martian villa if the gummint would stop wasting money on tanks and bombs, dammit.

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#1. To: bluedogtxn (#0) (Edited)

Lots of Ice Found at the South Pole

No shit? Who'd have thought! LOL

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-04-02   16:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

Lots of Ice Found at the South Pole No shit? Who've thought! LOL

I thought the title might reel some folks in. You do realize that this means Mars doesn't have a water shortage after all. The water is 99% pure and enough for a veritable Martian ocean. All we have to do is figure out a way to atmospherize and pressurize the surface...

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-02   16:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluedogtxn (#2)

All we have to do is figure out a way to atmospherize and pressurize the surface...

Actually I thought about that very problem quite a bit 10 years ago. I pretty much got it all licked, at least short (in geological terms) period.

Mars has several problems:

1) Its gravity isn't high enough to keep an atmosphere captive.

2) No atmosphere means no heat.

3) There is very little to no nitrogen on Mars.

I envisioned self-replicating robots on the surface, creating themselves from the iron in the soil and whatnot, powered by the sun. These are not such a far-fetched idea--I stole the idea from an article in Discover magazine about how these proposed robots "called auxons" might replicate themselves in the world's deserts, binding CO2 to Ca and removing it from the atmosphere.

The process of refining iron ore and manufacturing would release heat, which would melt the CO2 ice, which would contribute to an atmosphere. Eventually conditions would be warm enough where H2O ice would melt and provide a source of water.

The problem was the lack of nitrogen, since you can't make an amino acid without it. Pretty much puts the kibosh on the whole terraforming thing, as I can't imagine you could mine and ship enough over there to make a difference.

The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-04-02   17:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: bluedogtxn (#0)

Now we can bring democracy to Mars.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-04-02   18:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluedogtxn (#2)

You do realize that this means Mars doesn't have a water shortage after all. The water is 99% pure and enough for a veritable Martian ocean. All we have to do is figure out a way to atmospherize and pressurize the surface...

I wrote a paper on this in college, though with a global liquid water estimate of around 10 feet. Covering the ices (CO2 and H2O) with impact generated dust would raise albedo, subsequently releasing the gasses in the absorbtion generated warming which would create a feedback loop reaching a higer temperature equilibrium. The resultant atmospheric pressure would be equal to around the 25,000 to 30,000 foot elevation on earth, higher at lower elevations. Bonus materials, mass, and heat using impact objects like asteroids and comets. If the government had taken the initiative and started the process 30 years ago, the first astronauts there would be able to get by on warm clothing and bottled oxygen when they stepped out...

The tricky aspect is that, without a rotating molten/semi-molten core, the planet has a weak magnetic field that provides little protection from cosmic radiation and solar particles. Added atmosphere would shield against some of this, but you'd probably have to seek shelter during strong Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) and flare events. You might be able to aquire enough mass with Ceres and some of the other extra large asteroids to jump start a core as their mass would probably allow them to sink through the crust, fractionally melt, and donate the nickel iron fraction to what would evolve into a core dynamo.

"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"

Axenolith  posted on  2007-04-02   18:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Axenolith (#5)

You might be able to aquire enough mass with Ceres and some of the other extra large asteroids to jump start a core as their mass would probably allow them to sink through the crust, fractionally melt, and donate the nickel iron fraction to what would evolve into a core dynamo.

Given the small size of the Martian moons, you'd think they'd been left there on purpose for just such a use.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-03   9:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Axenolith (#5)

without a rotating molten/semi-molten core, the planet has a weak magnetic field

It also means that any added atmosphere would be washed away by solar winds as would the earth's without gravity.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-04-03   9:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: (#7) (Edited)

Arete  posted on  2007-04-03   9:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Arete (#7)

Yea, but the millions of years that would take would be plenty enough time for us to evolve into "Peacefull Light Beings" ;-)

Actually, as far as time and expense go, it would be a lot easier to deploy a few square miles (~50-200) of reflective sheeting at a geostationary point over Venus. Just enough so that the net radiation of heat is greater than the solar input, along with something that would catylize out that cloud layer. Things could settle down then and we'd have a nice, near earth sized, dirt ball. Not having tides could be problematic though...

"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"

Axenolith  posted on  2007-04-03   10:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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