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Title: Violating the Constitution With an Illegal War
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Published: Oct 3, 2002
Author: Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Post Date: 2007-04-03 20:34:01 by robin
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Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, October 3, 2002 The last time Congress declared war was on December 11, 1941, against Germany in response to its formal declaration of war against the United States. This was accomplished with wording that took less than one-third of a page, without any nitpicking arguments over precise language, yet it was a clear declaration of who the enemy was and what had to be done. And in three-and-a-half years, this was accomplished. A similar resolve came from the declaration of war against Japan three days earlier. Likewise, a clear-cut victory was achieved against Japan. Many Americans have been forced into war since that time on numerous occasions, with no congressional declaration of war and with essentially no victories. Today’s world political condition is as chaotic as ever. We’re still in Korea and we’re still fighting the Persian Gulf War that started in 1990. The process by which we’ve entered wars over the past 57 years, and the inconclusive results of each war since that time, are obviously related to Congress’ abdication of its responsibility regarding war, given to it by Article I Section 8 of the Constitution. Congress has either ignored its responsibility entirely over these years, or transferred the war power to the executive branch by a near majority vote of its Members, without consideration of it by the states as an amendment required by the Constitution. Congress is about to circumvent the Constitution and avoid the tough decision of whether war should be declared by transferring this monumental decision-making power regarding war to the President. Once again, the process is being abused. Odds are, since a clear-cut decision and commitment by the people through their representatives are not being made, the results will be as murky as before. We will be required to follow the confusing dictates of the UN, since that is where the ultimate authority to invade Iraq is coming from – rather than from the American people and the U.S. Constitution. Controversial language is being hotly debated in an effort to satisfy political constituencies and for Congress to avoid responsibility of whether to go to war. So far the proposed resolution never mentions war, only empowering the President to use force at his will to bring about peace. Rather strange language indeed! A declaration of war limits the presidential powers, narrows the focus, and implies a precise end point to the conflict. A declaration of war makes Congress assume the responsibilities directed by the Constitution for this very important decision, rather than assume that if the major decision is left to the President and a poor result occurs, it will be his fault, not that of Congress. Hiding behind the transfer of the war power to the executive through the War Powers Resolution of 1973 will hardly suffice. However, the modern way we go to war is even more complex and deceptive. We must also write language that satisfies the UN and all our allies. Congress gladly transfers the legislative prerogatives to declare war to the President, and the legislative and the executive branch both acquiesce in transferring our sovereign rights to the UN, an un-elected international government. No wonder the language of the resolution grows in length and incorporates justification for starting this war by citing UN Resolutions. In order to get more of what we want from the United Nations, we rejoined UNESCO, which Ronald Reagan had bravely gotten us out of, and promised millions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer support to run this international agency started by Sir Julian Huxley. In addition, we read of promises by our administration that once we control Iraqi oil, it will be available for allies like France and Russia, who have been reluctant to join our efforts. What a difference from the days when a declaration of war was clean and precise and accomplished by a responsible Congress and an informed people! A great irony of all this is that the United Nations Charter doesn’t permit declaring war, especially against a nation that has been in a state of peace for 12 years. The UN can only declare peace. Remember, it wasn’t a war in Korea; it was only a police action to bring about peace. But at least in Korea and Vietnam there was fighting going on, so it was a bit easier to stretch the language than it is today regarding Iraq. Since Iraq doesn’t even have an Air Force or a Navy, is incapable of waging a war, and remains defenseless against the overwhelming powers of the United States and the British, it’s difficult to claim that we’re going into Iraq to restore peace. History will eventually show that if we launch this attack the real victims will be the innocent Iraqi civilians who despise Saddam Hussein and are terrified of the coming bombs that will destroy their cities. The greatest beneficiaries of the attack may well be Osama bin Ladin and the al Qaeda. Some in the media have already suggested that the al Qaeda may be encouraging the whole event. Unintended consequences will occur – what will come from this attack is still entirely unknown. It’s a well-known fact that the al Qaeda are not allies of Saddam Hussein and despise the secularization and partial westernization of Iraqi culture. They would welcome the chaos that’s about to come. This will give them a chance to influence post-Saddam Hussein Iraq. The attack, many believe, will confirm to the Arab world that indeed the Christian West has once again attacked the Muslim East, providing radical fundamentalists a tremendous boost for recruitment. An up or down vote on declaring war against Iraq would not pass the Congress, and the President has no intention of asking for it. This is unfortunate, because if the process were carried out in a constitutional fashion, the American people and the U.S. Congress would vote "No" on assuming responsibility for this war. Not only is it sad that we have gone so far astray from our Constitution, but it’s also dangerous for world peace and threatens our liberties here at home. Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas. 
Transferring authority to wage war, calling it permission to use force to fight for peace in order to satisfy the UN Charter, which replaces the Article I, Section 8 war power provision, is about as close to 1984 "newspeak" that we will ever get in the real world.
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#141. To: BeAChooser (#139)
ROTFLOL! You really are paranoid. ROTFLOL! No, I read the page you posted as support for the bullshit quote you made up. That's what it said and you know it. You deliberately used this page because you could tap dance about the page change if you got busted for your dishonest shit - as you did get busted. But you know that. And so does everyone else incidently.
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And I'm trying to figure out who you remind me of over at LP. Hurling insults? Tactic number two? And you are a proven liar. You deliberately fabricated a quote and then posted a bullshit link to support it. You did this twice this evening and you got caught for it. That is why you are now doing your pathetic tap dance here. You are a proven liar and that doesn't seem to bother you.
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It doesn't matter how you dance, the ISG report still said "The most interesting discovery has been a 152mm binary Sarin artillery projectile—containing a 40 percent concentration of Sarin—which insurgents attempted to use as an Improvised Explosive Device (IED). The existence of this binary weapon not only raises questions about the number of viable chemical weapons remaining in Iraq and raises the possibility that a larger number of binary, long-lasting chemical weapons still exist." ROTFLOL!
I don't think you are going to spin out of this. I bookmarked the page. You think you are going to be able to wait a few days and then deny the indcident, but I am not going to let you do this. You are a proven liar and I am going to see you live with that.
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You have absolutely no credibility. How do I know you are not making that up like you did that last quote you posted to me? What's next? A 4th bogus link to back up your doctored quotes?
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If you are going to tell bald faced lies, as you have just done on this forum, it is best not to be caught at it, as you were just caught at it on this forum. When you get caught telling bald faced lies, repeatedly, as you were just caught, your credibility goes out the window. But you somehow don't realize that. Odd culture you come from.
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Who sold Saddam the Sarin, you suppose?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
Does this look like a hole that is no larger than 20 feet in diameter, folks? The 9/11 report got it wrong ... like they got many things wrong. It's amazing that someone who claims we must trust our eyes about the towers being demolitions doesn't trust her eyes when she looks at real time video clips that clearly show the towers collapsed in about 15 seconds. It's amazing that she doesn't trust her eyes when she reads NIST saying that the FIRST PANELS of the perimeter reached the ground in about 10 seconds and various conspiracy sites confirm that.
And I note that you didn't just post dead links to support quotes you fabricated, you later came back on this forum and posted quotes on unrelated subjects and claimed that these were the quotes you were trying to reference. In other words, you lied through your teeth to hide the fact that you had been busted in a bald faced lie -- twice.
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No christine, the 9/11 commission reported this. They made a mistake. One of many. NIST (which is the OFFICIAL government report on the collapse) said the FIRST PANELS reached the ground in 10 seconds. And video clips confirm this. So tell me again why I am evil. I'm not the one trying to deceive people here.
He's still dropping the same sentence you caught him dropping before. http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, an eyewitness at the Pentagon on 9/11: "The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Did you fabricate the photos? That would be my first guess given that you are willing to fabricate quotes and use fake links to support them.
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hahahah-fu...hahahaha!
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
How do we know? You are a proven serial liar. Why should we take your word on anything?
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So are you denying ever posting at LP or are you saying that posting at LP would have been beneath you?
Maybe we should compile a list of the times we've caught Chooser using deliberately dishonest tactics. That would be interesting.
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Bravo, that's the way to hound someone.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
Ahhhh. Chooser tactic number one. Changing the subject. But back to the point. You are a proven serial liar. Why should we take your word for anything? You have been shown to use fake references. Why should we believe any of your cites?
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Are you incapable of visiting the link Nolu provided for Annex F? Are you incapable of visiting the revised link I provided to Annex F?
Well the UN said he made it. Did you know that?
Ahhh. Chooser tactic number one, hurling insults. But back to the point, you have been proven to be a serial liar this evening. You have fabricated evidence for your bullshit and you have posted fake quotes. Why should we now take your word for anything?
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Why should we believe anythihg you say? You are a proven serial liar.
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Just keep digging your hole deeper, ...
Then why was Rumsfeld selling him missiles?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
Is that some sort of threat? Does it bother you to be exposed for what you are? A proven serial liar who makes up quotes and then posts bogus links to support them?
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Apparently robin doesn't realize that all the photos I posted where taken BEFORE the roof collapsed. They either show a hole that is much larger than 20 feet or those firemen are mighty small. ROTFLOL!
He's trying to say the 9/11 Commission is not the govt. The seismic data and the 9/11 Commission say 10 seconds, but the 9/11 truth movement says 14 seconds, per video evidence. The 9/11 truth websites explain very carefully how the falling building met with no resistance from the floors beneath them, which is why they fell so fast, not quite freefall, which 9.2 seconds. The energy released pulverized cement and threw large steel beams like arrows into neighboring buildings. The steel core disappeared. The buildings fell with symmetry. They were demolished with preset explosives. Opportunities to set the explosions have also been explained in eyewitness testimony about odd work done in the weeks before 9/11.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Figures......after all his hero is dickhead!
Keep digging your hole deeper, ... You are only making a complete mockery of this forum.
Why don't you make up a fake quote to support that and then post a link to a defunct government site to support the quote? Maybe some fool won't click the link and will buy your bullshit.
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That really does explain everything.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
If you don't like being exposed for the type of slimebag that posts fake quotes and bogus links, then act like a normal human being and stop doing it. Don't threaten other people for exposing your slime.
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As opposed to what ... has tried to do since I joined 4um? ROTFLOL!
A facade is not a roof, so as usual his comments have no meaning. http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/damage/compare.html
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Maybe if there is a change of government in Israel, some action will happen. Nethanhyu may be the man who could strike Iran. Otherwise, unless some disaster happen in US, they will keep talking. Same situation as the one we have seen before in Korea and in nazi Germany. Posted by: Rémi Houle | 4-Apr-07 7:07:51 AM Friends of yours, oozer?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
I am just exposing you for the liar that you are. You posted a fake quote and a bogus link to support it. You did it twice within an hour. Both times you needed that particular quote to save your ass. I am doing a public service. If you don't like people knowing what you are, then change.
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Is truth realy that horrible to you? Creepy.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
I thought your position was explained to you. We know what a lying scumbag you are. We let you on so we could kick you around. You were told that from the start. It's on the public board.
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Frankly, I don't understand why chrissie and zip feel the need to let this dickwad continue to spread this bullshit on their forum. Just about the time you think its done, back it comes with the original bullshit. Big waste of time to continually explain to lurkers and readers all the bullshit that is being flung at the fan by this government shill. Personally, I believe when shills act like this they should be forced to have a tag line, in bold red, explaining they are a shill and/or troll. EDIT: Any more comments, robin, I would prefer be private mail--I don't want to add to the bumping of this drivel.
Like the health warning on cigarettes ;)
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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#142. To: BeAChooser (#140)
'm beginning to think you have a real problem.
#143. To: ..., ALL (#141)
I read the page you posted as support for the bullshit quote you made up.
#144. To: BeAChooser (#140)
#145. To: BeAChooser (#143)
It doesn't matter how you dance, the ISG report still said
#146. To: BeAChooser (#143)
#147. To: BeAChooser (#143)
ROTFLOL!
#148. To: robin, ALL (#132)
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, an eyewitness at the Pentagon on 9/11: ...the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter.
Left side and center hole damage 
central hole and right side damage 
Right side damage. 
Collage of what the damage looked like pre-collapse 
region impacted compared to size of plane 
light pole damage and damaged columns in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds.
#149. To: BeAChooser (#143)
#150. To: christine, ALL (#133)
you evil liar. you know damn well that your own government reported 10 seconds on one of the towers
#151. To: rowdee (#148)
...the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.
#152. To: BeAChooser (#148)
he 9/11 report got it wrong ... like they got many things wrong.
#153. To: BeAChooser (#150)
tell me again why I am evil. I'm not the one trying to deceive people here.
#154. To: BeAChooser (#150)
No christine, the 9/11 commission reported this.
#155. To: ..., ALL (#142)
"And I'm trying to figure out who you remind me of over at LP."
Hurling insults? Tactic number two?
#156. To: robin (#151)
He's still dropping the same sentence you caught him dropping before.
#157. To: BeAChooser (#155)
#158. To: BeAChooser (#155)
So are you denying ever posting at LP or are you saying that posting at LP would have been beneath you?
#159. To: ..., Nolu_Chan, ALL (#145)
You have absolutely no credibility. How do I know you are not making that up like you did that last quote you posted to me?
#160. To: Dakmar, ALL (#147)
Who sold Saddam the Sarin, you suppose?
#161. To: BeAChooser (#159)
Are you incapable of visiting the link Nolu provided for Annex F?
#162. To: BeAChooser (#160)
Well the UN said he made it. Did you know that?
#163. To: ..., ALL (#149)
#164. To: BeAChooser (#160)
#165. To: BeAChooser, Christine (#163)
Just keep digging your hole deeper, ...
#166. To: robin, ALL (#151)
Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight
#167. To: ... (#154)
#168. To: robin (#151)
#169. To: ..., ALL (#152)
Did you fabricate the photos?
#170. To: BeAChooser (#166)
Apparently robin doesn't realize that all the photos I posted where taken BEFORE the roof collapsed.
#171. To: rowdee (#168)
#172. To: BeAChooser (#169)
You are only making a complete mockery of this forum.
#173. To: Dakmar, ..., christine, ALL (#157)
Bravo, that's the way to hound someone.
#174. To: ..., rowdee (#170)
Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight
#175. To: ..., BeAChooser (#162)
#176. To: BeAChooser (#173)
As opposed to what ... has tried to do since I joined 4um?
#177. To: BeAChooser (#173)
As opposed to what ... has tried to do since I joined 4um?
#178. To: BeAChooser (#173)
As opposed to what ... has tried to do since I joined 4um?
#179. To: robin (#171)
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#180. To: rowdee (#179)
Personally, I believe when shills act like this they should be forced to have a tag line, in bold red, explaining they are a shill and/or troll.
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