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Title: National Review: Brit Wimps
Source: National Review Online
URL Source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/po ... ZkNWU5ZGQ2YTAxMmJiNmQ3MDRmNmU=
Published: Apr 4, 2007
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2007-04-04 13:22:20 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 975
Comments: 22

Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me—I've been there—have a LOT of rocks).

Now, I confess, I wouldn't shed a tear if some worse fate befell them.

The only coherent response I get to these sentiments is: "How do you know what they've been through? How would YOU stand up?" To which the obvious reply is the one Dr. Johnson gave in some similar case: "I may criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a table myself. It is not my job to make tables." It is the job of a Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told! I nurse a quiet hope that if put to the test, I would stand up as well as any Marine. Whether or not I would, however, is irrelevant. Whether or not I could stand up well to torture, I expect Marines to.

And in any case, there was no evidence of torture or mistreatment in any of the filmed cases I have seen. They look just fine. You can't fake that. The girl sailor had that headscarf on within hours. From what I've heard of torture, even weaker cases can hold out for a few days.

As for the argument that these people might have buckled under threats to hurt their comrades, I should think a soldier's answer would be: "They are soldiers, same as me. They know the risks of service, and they'll answer for themselves."

In any case, a trained soldier will have been instructed that these Iranian fanatics are without any scruples. They practice what Lenin called "revolutionary morality"—i.e. whatever advances the revolution is good, whatever does not, is bad. It should be assumed that everything the Iranians say is a lie. If they say: "Do this, and we won't harm your mates," and you do it, they will harm your mates anyway. Of course, this kind of truth is much harder to get across to young people who have been brainwashed from elementary school to believe that their own culture is corrupt, evil, and false, while the cultures of Third World barbarians are morally superior...

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#4. To: Brian S. everyone here (#0)

Do we know if those sailors were armed?

Lod  posted on  2007-04-04   13:41:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#4)

there were at least some among the 15 Brits who did have guns. It was reported in UK newspapers that when the Iranians pulled up the commander of the 15 Brits was on the radio to the Cornwall to ask what their response should be and they patched the radio call immediately to Tony Blair's office. and the commander of the 15 was told to hold their fire. and I read that some of the video shows them holding their weapons during the ride to Iran after they'd been captured.

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#14. To: Red Jones (#9)

It was reported in UK newspapers that when the Iranians pulled up the commander of the 15 Brits was on the radio to the Cornwall to ask what their response should be and they patched the radio call immediately to Tony Blair's office. and the commander of the 15 was told to hold their fire. and I read that some of the video shows them holding their weapons during the ride to Iran after they'd been captured.

Thanks for this false-flag update.

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