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Title: National Review: Brit Wimps
Source: National Review Online
URL Source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/po ... ZkNWU5ZGQ2YTAxMmJiNmQ3MDRmNmU=
Published: Apr 4, 2007
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2007-04-04 13:22:20 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 967
Comments: 22

Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me—I've been there—have a LOT of rocks).

Now, I confess, I wouldn't shed a tear if some worse fate befell them.

The only coherent response I get to these sentiments is: "How do you know what they've been through? How would YOU stand up?" To which the obvious reply is the one Dr. Johnson gave in some similar case: "I may criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a table myself. It is not my job to make tables." It is the job of a Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told! I nurse a quiet hope that if put to the test, I would stand up as well as any Marine. Whether or not I would, however, is irrelevant. Whether or not I could stand up well to torture, I expect Marines to.

And in any case, there was no evidence of torture or mistreatment in any of the filmed cases I have seen. They look just fine. You can't fake that. The girl sailor had that headscarf on within hours. From what I've heard of torture, even weaker cases can hold out for a few days.

As for the argument that these people might have buckled under threats to hurt their comrades, I should think a soldier's answer would be: "They are soldiers, same as me. They know the risks of service, and they'll answer for themselves."

In any case, a trained soldier will have been instructed that these Iranian fanatics are without any scruples. They practice what Lenin called "revolutionary morality"—i.e. whatever advances the revolution is good, whatever does not, is bad. It should be assumed that everything the Iranians say is a lie. If they say: "Do this, and we won't harm your mates," and you do it, they will harm your mates anyway. Of course, this kind of truth is much harder to get across to young people who have been brainwashed from elementary school to believe that their own culture is corrupt, evil, and false, while the cultures of Third World barbarians are morally superior...

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#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me—I've been there—have a LOT of rocks).

HAHAHAHAHA.

This is precious - John Derbyshire (who has never served a day in the military) denigrates the UK sailors referring to them as "cowards" and hopes they are court-martialed on their return and made to do hard labor, splitting rocks ( and Derbyshire calls on his own vacation memories to name the perfect punishment site for cowards)...HAHAHA...there's good irony here.

It's great fun to see that the neocons are imploding, exploding, going off the deep end - all because neither the UK navy nor the UK gov't allowed this event to function as a tripwire for WW III.

Derbyshire and Ralph Peters ( who at least served in the military) are on the same page all right - it's called the Looney Tunes page of the Perpetual War book written by Leon Trotsky.

Shut the fudge up, John. You are a big fat ugly phoney, through and through. An empty suit with a big mouth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /John_Derbyshire

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#18. To: scrapper2 (#2)

It is the job of a Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told!

Well- they weren't fighting for their country. They are mercs fighting for a cabal of trans atlantic oligarchs. Granted- I doubt one of them would subscribe to my views of their "service" as Mercs but they generally know on some level- especially marines- that they are not going to be defending the white cliffs of Dover from foreign aramadas poised to invade or in any real way be "defending" their country. They know damn well that they will be deployed abroad in third world hell holes to kill and subjugate peoples who don't toe the line of their first world shadowy masters- of course it isn't put in those terms- flowery crap like "Liberation" and junk about "human rights abuses" are used to justify their self serving interventions.

But when push comes to shove I doubt two marines in either the UK or US would "suffer and Die" in Iranian captivity so as merely to avoid embarassing warmonger cowards like Derbyshire.

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