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Title: National Review: Brit Wimps
Source: National Review Online
URL Source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/po ... ZkNWU5ZGQ2YTAxMmJiNmQ3MDRmNmU=
Published: Apr 4, 2007
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2007-04-04 13:22:20 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 404
Comments: 22

Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me—I've been there—have a LOT of rocks).

Now, I confess, I wouldn't shed a tear if some worse fate befell them.

The only coherent response I get to these sentiments is: "How do you know what they've been through? How would YOU stand up?" To which the obvious reply is the one Dr. Johnson gave in some similar case: "I may criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a table myself. It is not my job to make tables." It is the job of a Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told! I nurse a quiet hope that if put to the test, I would stand up as well as any Marine. Whether or not I would, however, is irrelevant. Whether or not I could stand up well to torture, I expect Marines to.

And in any case, there was no evidence of torture or mistreatment in any of the filmed cases I have seen. They look just fine. You can't fake that. The girl sailor had that headscarf on within hours. From what I've heard of torture, even weaker cases can hold out for a few days.

As for the argument that these people might have buckled under threats to hurt their comrades, I should think a soldier's answer would be: "They are soldiers, same as me. They know the risks of service, and they'll answer for themselves."

In any case, a trained soldier will have been instructed that these Iranian fanatics are without any scruples. They practice what Lenin called "revolutionary morality"—i.e. whatever advances the revolution is good, whatever does not, is bad. It should be assumed that everything the Iranians say is a lie. If they say: "Do this, and we won't harm your mates," and you do it, they will harm your mates anyway. Of course, this kind of truth is much harder to get across to young people who have been brainwashed from elementary school to believe that their own culture is corrupt, evil, and false, while the cultures of Third World barbarians are morally superior...

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#11. To: Brian S (#0)

National Review is an idiot magazine. I used to read it before it went neo- con. This is the same rag that told jokes about the murder of Rachel Corrie.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-04-04   15:30:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Red Jones (#11)

National Review is an idiot magazine. I used to read it before it went neo- con. This is the same rag that told jokes about the murder of Rachel Corrie.

NR has always been about managing and steering the "conservative" movement into accepting a massive DC warfare/welfare state. But it did have a grand and rich intellectual tradition in which some damn fine articles were published from serious and accomplished scholars. Now it is a dumping ground for the cheap polemics of prep school dabbler wise asses and whored out MIC think tank "intellectuals" who take whatever position they are told to and will say anything. They are straight up shills for the Beltway and they offer nothing of substance. They seem to exist in order to convince people that supporting a souped up federal security state with an elected dictator at the helm and being for a state of permanent war against "Islam" is now "conservatism" while questioning these self serving statist fraud positions is "leftist".

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#22. To: Burkeman1 (#21)

I agree. and I'll just echo that National Review used to back in 1960's & 1970's and even into some of the 1980's had real intellectuals writing for it. Now it is garbage.

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