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Title: The J.F. K. Flap
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Published: Apr 5, 2007
Author: Murray Rothbard
Post Date: 2007-04-05 05:48:34 by Zoroaster
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The J.F.K. Flap by Murray N. Rothbard by Murray N. Rothbard DIGG THIS This essay originally appeared in the May 1992 issue of The Rothbard-Rockwell Report. The most fascinating thing about JFK, as exciting and well-done as it is, is not the movie itself but the hysterical attempt to marginalize, if not to suppress it. How many movies can you remember where the entire Establishment, in serried ranks, from left (The Nation) through Center to Right, joined together as one in a frantic orgy of calumny and denunciation. Time and Newsweek actually doing so before the movie came out? Apparently, so fearful was the Establishment that the Oliver Stone movie might prove convincing that the public had to be thoroughly inoculated in advance. It was a remarkable performance by the media, and it demonstrates, as nothing else, the enormous and growing gap between Respectable Media opinion and what the public Knows in its Heart. You would think from the shock of the Respectable Media, that Stone's JFK was totally outlandish, off-the-wall, monstrous and fanciful in its accusations against the American power structure. And you would think that historical films never engaged in dramatic license, as if such solemnly hailed garbage as Wilson and Sunrise at Campobello had been models of scholarly precision. Hey, come off it guys! Despite the fuss and feathers, to veteran Kennedy Assassination buffs, there was nothing new in JFK. What Stone does is to summarize admirably the best of a veritable industry of assassination revisionism – of literally scores of books, articles, tapes, annual conventions, and archival research. Stone himself is quite knowledgeable in the area, as shown by his devastating answer in the Washington Post, to the smears of the last surviving Warren Commission member, Gerald Ford, and the old Commission hack, David W. Belin. Despite the smears in the press, there was nothing outlandish in the movie. Interestingly enough, JFK has been lambasted much more furiously than was the first revisionist movie, Don Freed's Executive Action (1973), an exciting film with Robert Ryan and Will Geer, which actually did go way beyond the evidence, and beyond plausibility, by trying to make an H.L. Hunt figure the main conspirator. The evidence is now overwhelming that the orthodox Warren legend, that Oswald did it and did it alone, is pure fabrication. It now seems clear that Kennedy died in a classic military triangulation hit, that, as Parkland Memorial autopsy pathologist Dr. Charles Crenshaw has very recently affirmed, the fatal shots were fired from in front, from the grassy knoll, and that the conspirators were, at the very least, the right-wing of the CIA, joined by its long-time associates and employees, the Mafia. It is less well established that President Johnson himself was in on the original hit, though he obviously conducted the coordinated cover-up, but certainly his involvement is highly plausible. The last-ditch defenders of the Warren view cannot refute the details, so they always fall back on generalized vaporings, such as: "How could all the government be in on it?" But since Watergate, we have all become familiar with the basic fact: only a few key people need be in on the original crime, while lots of high and low government officials can be in on the subsequent cover-up, which can always be justified as "patriotic," on "national security" grounds, or simply because the president ordered it. The fact that the highest levels of the U.S. government are all-too capable of lying to the public, should have been clear since Watergate and Iran-Contra. The final fallback argument, getting less plausible all the time is: if the Warren case isn't true, why hasn't the truth come out by this time? The fact is, however, that the truth has largely come out, in the assassination industry, from books – some of them best-sellers – by Mark Lane, David Lifton, Peter Dale Scott, Jim Marrs, and many others, but the Respectable Media pay no attention. With that sort of mindset, that stubborn refusal to face reality, no truth can ever come out. And yet, despite this blackout, because books, local TV and radio, magazine articles, supermarket tabloids, etc. can't be suppressed – but only ignored – by the Respectable Media, we have the remarkable result that the great majority of the public, in all the polls, strongly disbelieve the Warren legend. Hence, the frantic attempts of the Establishment to suppress as gripping and convincing a film as Stone's JFK. Conservatives, as well as centrists, are smearing JFK because Stone is a notorious leftist. Well, so what? It is not simply that the ideology of the teller has no logical bearing on the truth of the tale. The case is stronger than that. For in a day when the Moderate Left to Moderate Right constitute an increasingly monolithic Establishment, with only nuanced variations among them, we can only get the truth from people outside the Establishment, either on the far right or far left, or even from the highly non-respectable supermarket tabloids. And it is no accident that it is an open secret that the heroic "Deep Throat" figure in JFK is Colonel Fletcher Prouty, who is certainly no leftist. And one of the outstanding Revisionist writers is the long-time libertarian Carl Oglesby. One particularly welcome aspect of JFK, by the way, is its making Jim Garrison the central heroic figure. Garrison, one of the most viciously smeared figures in modern political history, was simply a district attorney trying to do his job in the most important criminal case of our time. Kevin Costner's expressionless style fits in well with the Garrison role, and Tommy Lee Jones is outstanding as the evil CIA-businessman conspirator Clay Shaw. All in all, a fine movie, for the history as well as the cinematics. There are some minor problems. It is unfortunate that the founding Kennedy Revisionist Mark Lane, felt that he had to leave the movie-making early, with the result that the film does not bring out the crucial testimony of Cuban ex-CIA agent Marita Lorenz, who has identified right-wing CIA operative E. Howard Hunt, Bill Buckley's pal and control in the CIA, as paymaster for the assassination. (See the brilliant new book by Lane, Plausible Denial.) According to Lane, heat from the CIA during the filming led Stone to underplay the CIA's role by spreading the blame a little too thickly to the rest of the Johnson administration. As the case for revisionism piles up, there is evidence that some of the more sophisticated members of the Establishment are preparing to jettison the Warren legend, and fall back on an explanation less threatening than blaming E. Howard Hunt or the CIA: that is to lay blame solely on the Mafia, specifically on Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, and Jimmy Hoffa, none of whom are around to debate the issue. A convincing attack on the Mafia-only thesis was leveled by Carl Oglesby in his Afterward to Jim Garrison's book of a few years back (which formed one of the bases for JFK) On the Trail of the Assassins. The Mafia simply did not have the resources, for example, to change the route or call off military or Secret Service protection. Many conservatives and libertarians will surely be irritated by one theme of the film: the old-fashioned view of Kennedy as the shining young prince of Camelot, the great hero about to redeem America who was chopped down in his prime by dark reactionary forces. That sort of attitude has long been discredited by a very different kind of Revisionism – as tales have come out about the sleazy Kennedy brothers, Judith Exner, Sam Giancana, Marilyn Monroe, et al. Well, OK, but look at it this way: a president was murdered, for heaven's sake, and good, bad, or indifferent, it is surely vital to get to the bottom of the conspiracy, and bring the villains to justice, if only at the bar of history. Let the chips fall where they may. One happy result of the film was the conclusive Stoneian argument: if everything is on the up and up, why not open up all the secret government files on the assassination? It looks as if the pressure for opening will win out, but once again, phony "national security" will prevail, so we won't get the really incriminating stuff. And some of the crucial material is long gone, e.g., the famed Kennedy brain, which mysteriously never made it into the National Archives.
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#18. To: SKYDRIFTER, Zoroaster, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Diana (#13)
Being Jewish does not make you an agent of Mossad - especially when you are in a crew that answers to a Sicilian godfather.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Where did you hear that? Especially not the CIA from the 60s.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Where did you get that the CIA did not trust the mafia? The CIA and the mafia had a partnership that predated the founding of the CIA when OSS formed a partnership with Lucky Luciano - a twenty plus year relationship by the 60s. A spook group would be at great risk in seeking a favor of this magnitude from other foreign agencies because it opens your own agency to blackmail and loss of control - they instead use the black hand - mafia - criminal gangs who live by codes of silence. Lastly, evidence that this is BS is that linking of Mossad to JFK only came about late in the history of the conspiracy story because the facts of JFK had become more like myth making and the bogyman of the time - Mossad was incorporated into the mix.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Another missing link: John F. Kennedy vs The Federal Reserve http://John-F-Kennedy.net Message Board Post | Read On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid. When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage - signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency - money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America. "United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a "Federal Reserve Note" issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a "United States Note" from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy's Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says "Federal Reserve Note" on the top while the other says "United States Note". Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number. President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes. Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something. Again, according to our own research, just five months after Kennedy was assassinated, no more of the Series 1958 "Silver Certificates" were issued either, and they were subsequently removed from circulation. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. It seems very apparent that President Kennedy challenged the "powers that exist behind U.S. and world finance". With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt: 1) war (Viet Nam); and, 2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank. Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289 AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY. By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows: SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended - (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): "(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof. SECTION 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made. JOHN F. KENNEDY THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963 Once again, Executive Order 11110 is still valid. According to Title 3, United States Code, Section 301 dated January 26, 1998: Executive Order (EO) 10289 dated Sept. 17, 1951, 16 F.R. 9499, was as amended by: EO 10583, dated December 18, 1954, 19 F.R. 8725; EO 10882 dated July 18, 1960, 25 F.R. 6869; EO 11110 dated June 4, 1963, 28 F.R. 5605; EO 11825 dated December 31, 1974, 40 F.R. 1003; EO 12608 dated September 9, 1987, 52 F.R. 34617 The 1974 and 1987 amendments, added after Kennedy's 1963 amendment, did not change or alter any part of Kennedy's EO 11110. A search of Clinton's 1998 and 1999 EO's and Presidential Directives has also shown no reference to any alterations, suspensions, or changes to EO 11110. The Federal Reserve Bank, a.k.a Federal Reserve System, is a Private Corporation. Black's Law Dictionary defines the "Federal Reserve System" as: "Network of twelve central banks to which most national banks belong and to which state chartered banks may belong. Membership rules require investment of stock and minimum reserves." Privately-owned banks own the stock of the FED. This was explained in more detail in the case of Lewis v. United States, Federal Reporter, 2nd Series, Vol. 680, Pages 1239, 1241 (1982), where the court said: "Each Federal Reserve Bank is a separate corporation owned by commercial banks in its region. The stock-holding commercial banks elect two thirds of each Bank's nine member board of directors". The Federal Reserve Banks are locally controlled by their member banks. Once again, according to Black's Law Dictionary, we find that these privately owned banks actually issue money: "Federal Reserve Act. Law which created Federal Reserve banks which act as agents in maintaining money reserves, issuing money in the form of bank notes, lending money to banks, and supervising banks. Administered by Federal Reserve Board (q.v.)". The privately owned Federal Reserve (FED) banks actually issue (create) the "money" we use. In 1964, the House Committee on Banking and Currency, Subcommittee on Domestic Finance, at the second session of the 88th Congress, put out a study entitled Money Facts which contains a good description of what the FED is: "The Federal Reserve is a total money-making machine. It can issue money or checks. And it never has a problem of making its checks good because it can obtain the $5 and $10 bills necessary to cover its check simply by asking the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving to print them". Any one person or any closely knit group who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is exactly what the privately owned FED is! No man did more to expose the power of the FED than Louis T. McFadden, who was the Chairman of the House Banking Committee back in the 1930s. In describing the FED, he remarked in the Congressional Record, House pages 1295 and 1296 on June 10, 1932: "Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government Board, has cheated the Government of the United States and he people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks acting together have cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States; has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the maladministration of that law by which the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions, departments, or agencies. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. Those 12 private credit monopolies were deceitfully placed upon this country by bankers who came here from Europe and who repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. The FED basically works like this: The government granted its power to create money to the FED banks. They create money, then loan it back to the government charging interest. The government levies income taxes to pay the interest on the debt. On this point, it's interesting to note that the Federal Reserve Act and the sixteenth amendment, which gave congress the power to collect income taxes, were both passed in 1913. The incredible power of the FED over the economy is universally admitted. Some people, especially in the banking and academic communities, even support it. On the other hand, there are those, such as President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, that have spoken out against it. His efforts were spoken about in Jim Marrs' 1990 book Crossfire:" Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency. Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks". In a comment made to a Columbia University class on Nov. 12, 1963, Ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy allegedly said: "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight." In this matter, John Fitzgerald Kennedy appears to be the subject of his own book... a true Profile of Courage. This research report was compiled for Lawgiver. Org. by Anthony Wayne What is the Federal Reserve Bank? What is the Federal Reserve Bank (FED) and why do we have it? by Greg Hobbs November 1, 1999 The FED is a central bank. Central banks are supposed to implement a country's fiscal policies. They monitor commercial banks to ensure that they maintain sufficient assets, like cash, so as to remain solvent and stable. Central banks also do business, such as currency exchanges and gold transactions, with other central banks. In theory, a central bank should be good for a country, and they might be if it wasn't for the fact that they are not owned or controlled by the government of the country they are serving. Private central banks, including our FED, operate not in the interest of the public good but for profit. There have been three central banks in our nation's history. The first two, while deceptive and fraudulent, pale in comparison to the scope and size of the fraud being perpetrated by our current FED. What they all have in common is an insidious practice known as "fractional banking." Fractional banking or fractional lending is the ability to create money from nothing, lend it to the government or someone else and charge interest to boot. The practice evolved before banks existed. Goldsmiths rented out space in their vaults to individuals and merchants for storage of their gold or silver. The goldsmiths gave these "depositors" a certificate that showed the amount of gold stored. These certificates were then used to conduct business. In time the goldsmiths noticed that the gold in their vaults was rarely withdrawn. Small amounts would move in and out but the large majority never moved. Sensing a profit opportunity, the goldsmiths issued double receipts for the gold, in effect creating money (certificates) from nothing and then lending those certificates (creating debt) to depositors and charging them interest as well. Since the certificates represented more gold than actually existed, the certificates were "fractionally" backed by gold. Eventually some of these vault operations were transformed into banks and the practice of fractional banking continued. Keep that fractional banking concept in mind as we examine our first central bank, the First Bank of the United States (BUS). It was created, after bitter dissent in the Congress, in 1791 and chartered for 20 years. A scam not unlike the current FED, the BUS used its control of the currency to defraud the public and establish a legal form of usury. This bank practiced fractional lending at a 10:1 rate, ten dollars of loans for each dollar they had on deposit. This misuse and abuse of their public charter continued for the entire 20 years of their existence. Public outrage over these abuses was such that the charter was not renewed and the bank ceased to exist in 1811. The war of 1812 left the country in economic chaos, seen by bankers as another opportunity for easy profits. They influenced Congress to charter the second central bank, the Second Bank of the United States (SBUS), in 1816. The SBUS was more expansive than the BUS. The SBUS sold franchises and literally doubled the number of banks in a short period of time. The country began to boom and move westward, which required money. Using fractional lending at the 10:1 rate, the central bank and their franchisees created the debt/money for the expansion. Things boomed for a while, then the banks decided to shut off the debt/money, citing the need to control inflation. This action on the part of the SBUS caused bankruptcies and foreclosures. The banks then took control of the assets that were used as security against the loans. Closely examine how the SBUS engineered this cycle of prosperity and depression. The central bank caused inflation by creating debt/money for loans and credit and making these funds readily available. The economy boomed. Then they used the inflation which they created as an excuse to shut off the loans/credit/money. The resulting shortage of cash caused the economy to falter or slow dramatically and large numbers of business and personal bankruptcies resulted. The central bank then seized the assets used as security for the loans. The wealth created by the borrowers during the boom was then transferred to the central bank during the bust. And you always wondered how the big guys ended up with all the marbles. Now, who do you think is responsible for all of the ups and downs in our economy over the last 85 years? Think about the depression of the late '20s and all through the '30s. The FED could have pumped lots of debt/money into the market to stimulate the economy and get the country back on track, but did they? No; in fact, they restricted the money supply quite severely. We all know the results that occurred from that action, don't we? Why would the FED do this? During that period asset values and stocks were at rock bottom prices. Who do you think was buying everything at 10 cents on the dollar? I believe that it is referred to as consolidating the wealth. How many times have they already done this in the last 85 years? Do you think they will do it again? Just as an aside at this point, look at today's economy. Markets are declining. Why? Because the FED has been very liberal with its debt/credit/money. The market was hyper inflated. Who creates inflation? The FED. How does the FED deal with inflation? They restrict the debt/credit/money. What happens when they do that? The market collapses. Several months back, after certain central banks said they would be selling large quantities of gold, the price of gold fell to a 25-year low of about $260 per ounce. The central banks then bought gold. After buying at the bottom, a group of 15 central banks announced that they would be restricting the amount of gold released into the market for the next five years. The price of gold went up $75.00 per ounce in just a few days. How many hundreds of billions of dollars did the central banks make with those two press releases? Gold is generally considered to be a hedge against more severe economic conditions. Do you think that the private banking families that own the FED are buying or selling equities at this time? (Remember: buy low, sell high.) How much money do you think these FED owners have made since they restricted the money supply at the top of this last current cycle? Alan Greenspan has said publicly on several occasions that he thinks the market is overvalued, or words to that effect. Just a hint that he will raise interest rates (restrict the money supply), and equity markets have a negative reaction. Governments and politicians do not rule central banks, central banks rule governments and politicians. President Andrew Jackson won the presidency in 1828 with the promise to end the national debt and eliminate the SBUS. During his second term President Jackson withdrew all government funds from the bank and on January 8, 1835, paid off the national debt. He is the only president in history to have this distinction. The charter of the SBUS expired in 1836. Without a central bank to manipulate the supply of money, the United States experienced unprecedented growth for 60 or 70 years, and the resulting wealth was too much for bankers to endure. They had to get back into the game. So, in 1910 Senator Nelson Aldrich, then Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, in collusion with representatives of the European central banks, devised a plan to pressure and deceive Congress into enacting legislation that would covertly establish a private central bank. This bank would assume control over the American economy by controlling the issuance of its money. After a huge public relations campaign, engineered by the foreign central banks, the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was slipped through Congress during the Christmas recess, with many members of the Congress absent. President Woodrow Wilson, pressured by his political and financial backers, signed it on December 23, 1913. The act created the Federal Reserve System, a name carefully selected and designed to deceive. "Federal" would lead one to believe that this is a government organization. "Reserve" would lead one to believe that the currency is being backed by gold and silver. "System" was used in lieu of the word "bank" so that one would not conclude that a new central bank had been created. In reality, the act created a private, for profit, central banking corporation owned by a cartel of private banks. Who owns the FED? The Rothschilds of London and Berlin; Lazard Brothers of Paris; Israel Moses Seif of Italy; Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg of Germany; and the Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs and the Rockefeller families of New York. Did you know that the FED is the only for-profit corporation in America that is exempt from both federal and state taxes? The FED takes in about one trillion dollars per year tax free! The banking families listed above get all that money. Almost everyone thinks that the money they pay in taxes goes to the US Treasury to pay for the expenses of the government. Do you want to know where your tax dollars really go? If you look at the back of any check made payable to the IRS you will see that it has been endorsed as "Pay Any F.R.B. Branch or Gen. Depository for Credit U.S. Treas. This is in Payment of U.S. Oblig." Yes, that's right, every dime you pay in income taxes is given to those private banking families, commonly known as the FED, tax free. Like many of you, I had some difficulty with the concept of creating money from nothing. You may have heard the term "monetizing the debt," which is kind of the same thing. As an example, if the US Government wants to borrow $1 million ó the government does borrow every dollar it spends ó they go to the FED to borrow the money. The FED calls the Treasury and says print 10,000 Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) in units of one hundred dollars. The Treasury charges the FED 2.3 cents for each note, for a total of $230 for the 10,000 FRNs. The FED then lends the $1 million to the government at face value plus interest. To add insult to injury, the government has to create a bond for $1 million as security for the loan. And the rich get richer. The above was just an example, because in reality the FED does not even print the money; it's just a computer entry in their accounting system. To put this on a more personal level, let's use another example. Today's banks are members of the Federal Reserve Banking System. This membership makes it legal for them to create money from nothing and lend it to you. Today's banks, like the goldsmiths of old, realize that only a small fraction of the money deposited in their banks is ever actually withdrawn in the form of cash. Only about 4 percent of all the money that exists is in the form of currency. The rest of it is simply a computer entry. Let's say you're approved to borrow $10,000 to do some home improvements. You know that the bank didn't actually take $10,000 from its pile of cash and put it into your pile? They simply went to their computer and input an entry of $10,000 into your account. They created, from thin air, a debt which you have to secure with an asset and repay with interest. The bank is allowed to create and lend as much debt as they want as long as they do not exceed the 10:1 ratio imposed by the FED. It sort of puts a new slant on how you view your friendly bank, doesn't it? How about those loan committees that scrutinize you with a microscope before approving the loan they created from thin air. What a hoot! They make it complex for a reason. They don't want you to understand what they are doing. People fear what they do not understand. You are easier to delude and control when you are ignorant and afraid. Now to put the frosting on this cake. When was the income tax created? If you guessed 1913, the same year that the FED was created, you get a gold star. Coincidence? What are the odds? If you are going to use the FED to create debt, who is going to repay that debt? The income tax was created to complete the illusion that real money had been lent and therefore real money had to be repaid. And you thought Houdini was good. So, what can be done? My father taught me that you should always stand up for what is right, even if you have to stand up alone. If "We the People" don't take some action now, there may come a time when "We the People" are no more. You should write a letter or send an email to each of your elected representatives. Many of our elected representatives do not understand the FED. Once informed they will not be able to plead ignorance and remain silent. Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution specifically says that Congress is the only body that can "coin money and regulate the value thereof." The US Constitution has never been amended to allow anyone other than Congress to coin and regulate currency. Ask your representative, in light of that information, how it is possible for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and the Federal Reserve Bank that it created, to be constitutional. Ask them why this private banking cartel is allowed to reap trillions of dollars in profits without paying taxes. Insist on an answer. Thomas Jefferson said, "If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Jefferson saw it coming 150 years ago. The question is, "Can you now see what is in store for us if we allow the FED to continue controlling our country?" "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he breaks, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." John P. Curran Source: http://www.roc- grp.org/jfk.html
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
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Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Have you ever heard of James Jesus Angleton? To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
UH HUH. THERE YOU HAVE IT!
now isn't that interesting. yet no one in government does a damn thing about it. it's oh so obvious who has all the power, isn't it?
To the point of this nation becoming a fascist-style authoritarian nation run by the banks and corporations. If the people do not wake up soon, there is no hope. But, if they do, the blood of these criminals will run in the streets and many thousands of them will be left swinging from lamp posts. We need more rope.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
They're waking up ... and I think you're correct that investments in rope will generate tremendous rewards.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Eminently.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
In the JFK murder, Mosaad WAS lurking about pushing the deed but never reaching the extent of blatant, overt involvement. I think this explains Johnson's otherwise incomprehensible handling of the USS Liberty incident. Subsequent to USN jets leaving the deck of the USS America, Israel told Johnson that they would expose Johnson's complicity in JFK's violent impeachment. The fighters were recalled and the rest is history--thier version thereof.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Hummm... That makes more sense than anything else I have heard.
Israel's initial attack focused on Liberty's communications. While the attack was on-going, the Liberty crew re-established contact with the Sixth Fleet and reported that the USS Liberty was under attack by Israeli forces. Had this not occurred, the following day's headlines across America would have been along the lines of: "Egypt Sinks US Ship in Mediterranean".
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
… Ben-Gurion was desperate for a close working relationship with America, and he and Kollek went to Washington in 1950. There, they met with the director of the recently created Central Intelligence Agency, General Walter Bedell Smith. Ben- Gurion offered the Americans access to the information gathered from the Russian immigrants--not just summaries, but the transcripts of the interviews. Smith put Angleton in charge. At first, Angleton was suspicious of Kollek and the others, but over time he became impressed--and emotionally attached. The relationship was so close that it provided America with the greatest intelligence breakthrough in the history of the Cold War. … Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
I think this explains Johnson's otherwise incomprehensible handling of the USS Liberty incident. Subsequent to USN jets leaving the deck of the USS America, Israel told Johnson that they would expose Johnson's complicity in JFK's violent impeachment. The fighters were recalled and the rest is history--thier version thereof. There is little doubt of LBJ's complicity in the assassination. But one thing which is overlooked continually is the fact that JFK opposed Israel's development of nuclear weapons. Ben-Gurion was livid with JFK over this issue, and it is beyond doubt that the Israelis had a hand in the assassination. Mike Piper, in his blockbuster bestseller, Final Judgement, says that the real assassins were members of the Corsican mafia who were recruited by Mossad and surreptitiously inserted to co-opt the CIA plot of a failed attempt on JFK, which was meant as a shot across JFK's bow (to use the old naval axiom of a warning shot to heave to) to warn him off of his intended course of action. This Mossad activity has been well used on several occasions, with variations thereof. See Victor Ostrovsky's books By Way of Deception and The Other Side of Deception for more information. Another reason is JFK's move (and his intent to scatter the CIA to the "four winds") toward withdrawal from South East Asia, which would have interfered with the CIA and their heroin smuggling operation. The old saying "follow the money" holds true in this instance (Richard Armitage cut his teeth as a CIA bagman for those heroin smuggling runs.) and we are all aware of the CIA involvement in running drugs, guns and other nefarious activities which were used to outflank Congressional oversight of CIA funding. The funding of CIA black ops provided by these blatantly illegal acivities is well known.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
JFK made a lot of enemies. Don't forget the American University speech, the Test Ban Treaty, the plans for detente and an end to the Cold War, and how the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex must have reacted.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No, MI6 did. Angleton, may have EVENTUALY turned into an advocate of Israel but in the early 60s when JFK was killed the CIA old guard distrusted and disliked the Israelis. Again focus - you are claiming Mossad helped the CIA kill JFK - I say that is highly in fact NOT likely because if the CIA did it they were the old guard who wer enot Israeli boosters. They would not trust a delicate/sensitive thing as regicide to a group they viewed as no better than Soviet catspaws. From your source: Relations with America at the time were strained. Many top U.S. intelligence, diplomatic, and military leaders believed Israel was a communist cats' paw in the Middle East. It was a socialist country, after all, and the Soviet Union was one of the first countries to recognize Israeli independence. When you people get serious and figure out how to use logic let me know. This is like having a discussion of history with a special ed class.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
In other words beyond doubt to you. Mossad was not part of the JFK hit.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Angleton's big coup through Mossad was getting the text of Khrushchev's speech. That was in 1956.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The Corsicans were used by everyone as independent agents - they did not take orders from Mossad and would do a hot for the Soviets or the Americans or the French or the British. If the CIA was behind the hit they would cetrainly have used Corsicans though in fact the hit was probably done by local Americans. Barr McClellan, father of Bush spoke's person Scott McClellan published 'Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK', a best-seller in November 2003. In the book McClellan presents facts that Lyndon B. Johnson and Edward Clark were involved in the planning and cover-up of the Kennedy assassination. McClellan also named Malcolm Wallace as one of the assassins. The killing of Kennedy, he alleged, was paid for by oil millionaires such as Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt. McClellan details how Clark got $6 million for this work. French journalist William Reymond published a book the same year in which he reaches the same conclusions as Barr McClellan. Many other authors have reached the same conclusions. The assassination of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. According to McClellan this resulted in a saving of over 100 million dollars to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent. Malcolm Wallace is, in our opinion, the key figure in the Kennedy assassination. He was positively identified by Loy Factor as one of the sixth floor gunmen, as well as the recruiter and organizer of the conspiracy. [Wallace's prints were lifted off the Italian rifle byt the FBI refused to certify this]. Madeleine Brown, the mistress of LBJ, also positively verified that Wallace was LBJ's "hatchet man" and was a professional killer. Billie Sol Estes, in the newly released "Estes documents" states that Wallace carried out eight murders at the direct command of LBJ. One of those eight murders was that of John F. Kennedy. Some things we know about Malcolm Wallace. 1. Born in 1921, he was killed in a single-car "accident" in Pittsburg, Texas, in 1971. He was 50 years old. 2. He was convicted of for the first degree murder of John Douglas Kinser in 1952. Due to a rigged jury, and the legal help of John Cofer and Polk Shelton (two of LBJ's finest attorneys) Wallace received a five (5) year SUSPENDED sentence. 3. He worked in aerospace / defense firms from 1953 to 1968. Two of his employers were Temco Aircraft and Ling Electronics - later to become Ling Temco Vought. (LTV) 4. According to Estes' statement, as well as Loy Factor's account, Wallace also recruited Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Is that beyond doubt to you?
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Wow - and from there that CIA will trust a group they consider Soviets themselves with a hit of the president??? Not The Dulles brothers who had a grudge against JFK and not about to trust the hit to commie sympathizers like Mossad.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You sure are anxious to deny the possibility of any Mossad involvement in as murky a matter as the JFK assassination. I wonder why.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Because its bullshit and distracts from the more likely scenario of who did it - an internal US plot - Texan style. It shows me you know little of actual US history, US intelligence history and the thinking of men of those times. What you are doing is projecting your modern biases on the JFK plot. It is more likely that Oswald carried out the hit by himself then Mossad being involved. You seem anxious to involve Mossad in the murky a matter as the JFK assassination. I wonder why.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Yes. Meria With Barr McClellan - Blood, Money & Power, How LBJ killed JFK LISTEN Barr McClellan, noted LBJ Authority and personal attorney joins me for an explosive interview today. You can get more information at www.BarrMcClellan.com; Why are two former Presidents & Lady Bird calling out the History Channel against the documentary “The Guilty Men”? Who are the Presidents? Who were the “media” involved? Some of these names are going to SHOCK you. Why are Jackie Kennedy’s papers still sealed? Why did Jackie order her own investigation? What crimes was LBJ guilty of before taking office (and I mean taking); Who was Edward Clark? Who owned (owns?) the Texas courts? Was JFK getting ready to replace LBJ on his ticket? What did Kellogg, Brown & Root have to do with it and Johnson? (familiar name?); Barr says Texas was run by white anglo-saxon men in LBJ’s days and it was (is?) a good ole’ boy network for sure. He knows. He was there. He was on the inside of the attorney-client privilege and has told all he knows in this book. Lyndon Johnson stuffed ballot boxes long before electronic voting. He was known as “Lyin Lyndon”. A man suffering depression (and paranoia?) who gifted his psychologist $1 million. Was it “hush” money? Barr is calling for transparency in Government, and a full disclosure of ALL the papers on JFK’s assassination. He agrees that the Warren Commission was one big joke/conspiracy. As Barr says on the one lone nut theory, Jack Ruby was also another lone nut, so that makes 2, meaning there was a conspiracy. Did Jack Ruby say it was Johnson before his mysterious cancer killed him? This book, and interview sounds so much like the entire mess going on with the current administration it’s unmistakable who is running and ruining our country according to a long thought out and executed plan. “The only way to regain democracy is with more democracy.” - Barr McClellan. According to Barr McClellan it was now decided by Edward Clark that the investigation into Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker had to be brought to an end. McClellan claims that Clark recruited Wallace to organize the assassination of John F. Kennedy. When Johnson became president he managed to bring an end to the Senate investigations into Estes and Baker. McClellan later claimed that the killing of Kennedy was paid for by oil millionaires such as Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt. McClellan claims that Clark got $2 million for this work. The death of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. According to McClellan this resulted in a saving of over $100 million to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent. Wallace went to work for Harry Lewis and L & G Oil. In 1970 he returned to Dallas and began pressing Edward Clark for more money for his part in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. According to Barr McClellan it was then decided to kill Wallace. "He had to be eliminated. After driving to see his daughter in Troup, Texas, he went by L & G's offices in Longview, Texas. There his exhaust was rigged for part of it to flow into his car."On 7th January, 1971, Malcolm Wallace was killed while driving into Pittsburg, Texas. He appeared to have fallen asleep and after leaving the road crashed his car. Wallace died of massive head injuries. Soon afterwards Clifton C. Carter died aged 53. 1971 was also the year Billie Sol Estes was due to leave prison. According to Clint Peoples, a Texas Ranger based in Austin, Billie Sol Estes had promised to tell the full story of the death of Henry Marshall when he obtained his freedom. On 9th August, 1984, Estes' lawyer, Douglas Caddy, wrote to Stephen S. Trott at the U.S. Department of Justice. In the letter Caddy claimed that Wallace, Billie Sol Estes, Lyndon B. Johnson and Cliff Carter had been involved in the murders of Henry Marshall, George Krutilek, Harold Orr, Ike Rogers, Coleman Wade, Josefa Johnson, John Kinser and John F. Kennedy. Caddy added: "Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who executed the murders." In May 1998 Walt Brown called a press conference in Dallas to discuss a previously unidentified fingerprint at the "sniper's nest" in the Texas Book Depository. According to Brown this fingerprint had now been identified as belonging to Wallace. In 2003 Barr McClellan published Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK. In the book McClellan argues that Lyndon B. Johnson and Edward Clark were involved in the planning and cover-up of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. McClellan also named Wallace as one of the assassins. The killing of Kennedy was paid for by oil millionaires such as Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt. McClellan claims that Clark got $2 million for this work. Brown, a former special agent of the Justice Department, is a longtime researcher of the Warren Commission and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He is also the editor of JFK/Deep Politics and the author of several books on the subject including: The People V. Lee Harvey Oswald (1992), Treachery in Dallas (1995), Referenced Index Guide to the Warren Commission (1995), JFK Assassination Quizbook (1995) and the The Warren Omission (1996). Brown's most ambitious project was The Global Index to the JFK Assassination, a CD-ROM of 2400 pages, which indexed not just the WC, but also the HSCA, and 100+ of the best known JFK books. There are 17,185 names and over 4 million references, and it is cross-referenced by 175 categories; so if you cannot remember the name of a particular Secret Service agent (or 174 other possible categories), you look through the alphabetic listing of the hundreds of SS agents listed, find the name, and then go to that listing in the Index. A Texas-based assassination research group has publicly named a man believed to have left a previously unidentified fingerprint on a box making up the so- called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. At a May 29 press conference in Dallas, researcher and author Walt Brown said that the fingerprints belong to Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Baines Johnson. The fingerprints have been officially unidentified since President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between Wallace's fingerprint card, obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety, and the previously unidentified print, a copy of which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with certification by the International Association of Identifiers. The Texas researchers forwarded their findings to the Dallas Police Department, who passed it on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Copies have also gone to Assassination Records Review Board, the federal panel created to oversee the identification and release of records relating to the JFK assassination. Malcolm Wallace, convicted in a 1951 murder and suspected in others, has been linked to the 1961 death of U.S. Department of Agriculture investigator Henry Marshall. Marshall was reportedly close to connecting Lyndon Johnson to fraudulent activities involving businessman and convicted swindler Billy Sol Estes. Estes alleged in 1984 that LBJ ordered the killings of Marshall, President Kennedy, and half a dozen others, and that Wallace carried them out. A grand jury decided that same year that Henry Marshall was murdered as a result of a conspiracy involving then-Vice President Johnson, his aide Clifton Carter, and Wallace. No charges were possible since all three men were by then deceased. Wallace was killed in a single car automobile accident in January 1971. Barr McClellan, a Houston attorney and part of the Texas research team, told Fair Play that he began to focus on Wallace during his work as attorney-partner with Ed Clark, whom he described as an Austin power broker and one of those behind the assassination. "John Cofer, Wallace's attorney from the start, was our partner specializing in criminal cases," McClellan said. "From that position of insight, I knew Wallace played a key role in the assassination." In the petition filed with the ARRB, McClellan wrote: "My direct involvement with Clark as his law partner and sole attorney occurred when he sought an additional payoff for the assassination." Negotiations for the payoff, McClellan told Fair Play, were "in May 1974 in a secret meeting with two members of the Railroad Commission." The Wallace fingerprint match by Darby has been disputed by Glen Sample, who represents California-based researchers whose investigation parallels the Texas research. While Sample says the California group still believes Wallace "was one of the shooters" of President Kennedy, they do not believe his fingerprints are those from the TSBD box.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Have you ever been a member of any "communist" party, or hidden documents in your socks for aforementioned?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
I said it's possible and that I suspect Mossad was a junior partner in what I suspect was primarily a domestic conspiracy. You say flatly that Mossad was not involved. You said flatly, until I pointed out the facts contradict you, that there was no connection between the CIA and Mossad until years after the JFK assassination.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I read no further than this so if I repeat something already written.. Her papers were sealed for fifty years after her death, to be extended until her last child is dead. The only possible reason for this is that what is in her papers (which by now can be assume to have been corrupted) would be fatal to her offspring. This alone provides strong evidence that the "Lone Gunman" idea, that the current head of the Senate Judicuary, Specter, promotes, is a crock, and so is Specter.
You have a loose definition of connections. The connections involving Mossand and the CIA were not enough for them to be brought on board as killers of the president. You contradicted nothing. You stretched a CIA connection to Mossad the way Cheney stretched how Saddam had contacts with al-Qaeda. You say 'I said it's possible' - possible does not make it credible. We have a Texan oil connection - a connection in Texas means that at that time Texas was linked to the CIA - via the Dulles brothers to the White House via Johnson - linked to the Mafia via Don Santo Trafficante - who was so at home in Texas he went there to die in his old age (Trafficante's health had declined in his older years, and he died in Houston, Texas, where he had gone for heart surgery, in 1987.). Lastly, Oswald was linked to the Mob via family ties. Oswald's uncle, a man named Charles "Dutz" Murret, [was] an ex-prize fighter and promoter who was also a bookie. He was under the control of Carlos Marcello, who at that time was the head of the Mafia in New Orleans. These were the people who were in the sphere of Lee Harvey Oswald's life as a child. [Owald was a Mob brat the way other kids grow up as Army brats.] When Oswald and his mother returned to New Orleans they lived on Exchange Place above a pool hall. That street at that time was one den of iniquity after another. Strip joints, gambling joints. It was a place where every hustler and pimp in New Orleans plied his trade. Oswald grew up in a community and environment of crime and corruption. He went to Beauregard High School. It was a place that molded a character; it was a place that distorted a character. So what more do you need?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
She seems to have married Onassis for protection.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You think that, because it's probable that Texas, the CIA, and the Mafia were involved in the assassination, therefore it's IMPOSSIBLE that the Mossad was also involved? I'm sorry, but I really fail to see the logic in that.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Yes, you know - you get to a point in probability where you can say that based on the available evidence. I would like to know why you would include an IMPROBABLE Mossad connection to killing JFK? We have had names - a finger print ID to the Sniper's Nest linked to the Texas Oilers and the mafia for a long time. What gives you a hard on about Mossad involved? Which is way down the list of probably players? I don't discount Mossad because I like those murdering bastards I discount them because they were not part of the scene. PS: Another Texas connection to JFK - Bush the elder - and unlike his son he and his pals are not known to have been Heb/Zio-philes and would not have let in people OUTSIDE their club (and the Mafia was well within their club - Texas oilmen and Mafia dons partied at private resorts in Texas for decades) in on such a delicate hit. "Fuck 'em, they didn't vote for us." - Bush Secretary of State Jim Baker on American Jews in March 1992.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Because it's known that JFK quarreled with Israel about their nukes. Because it would explain the alacrity with which the media fanatically adopted the Warren Commission fiction. Because it would explain that the person LBJ called when he became concerned about the Garrison investigation of the assassination was Abe Fortas. Because it would explain LBJ's behavior over the attack on the USS Liberty.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
My apologies, Del Charro resort was in California not Texas but was owned by a Texas oil man built with Mafia help. So you can see that the Mafia dons, CIA and FBI men, US military men (who worked with the mob since WW2 and probably enjoyed their mob pals who provided them whores and cash since the occupation Italy) and Texas oil men all were interconnected and knew each other. They were a closed club. Such a dicey thing as killing a president would be carried out within this club and they would not be letting in UNTRUSTED outsiders. http://www.motherbird.com/de ep_politics.html A perfect example of deep politics between business, government and organized crime is the career of Dallas oil millionaire Clint Murchison whose money was important in building the career of Lyndon Johnson first as Senator and then as Kennedy's vice-president. One of the main investors in Murchison's oil company was Mafia figure Gerardo Catena. Murchison was also a close friend of Lyndon Johnson's next door neighbor, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. Murchison let Hoover take free vacations at Rancho del Charro, a resort which he owned. While such blatant Mafia figures as Gerardo Catena did not take their holidays at Rancho del Charro, others with strong but less obvious organized crime ties such as Sid Levison did. One of the humorous oil men who vacationed at Rancho del Charro said that Murchison exhibited Hoover to his friends at the resort to show them that Murchison “had the sheriff on his side.” This meant that any deals they wanted to make with Murchison and his organized crime contacts would not be prosecuted. Murchinson was the co-owner of the Dallas Cowboys with Gordon McLendon, the owner of radio and TV station KRLD in Dallas. Jack Ruby said that McLendon was one of his six best friends in Dallas. Ruby arranged for illegal gambling games for McLendon and his associates. Twelve years after the Kennedy assassination McLendon started the Association of former Intelligence Agents with Clare Booth Luce, widow of Henry Luce, publisher of Time and Life. McLendon and Luce and the former intelligence agents who joined them were trying to stop the investigations chaired by Senator Frank Church, Democrat of Idaho, which exposed the CIA plots with the Mafia against the life of Fidel Castro.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
Wrong on all of the above. Because it's known that JFK quarreled with Israel about their nukes. JFK had a tussle with the KGB as well and they were much better at the killing thing than the relatively newly born Mossad was. Because it would explain the alacrity with which the media fanatically adopted the Warren Commission fiction. See the link I posted above which answers that. Murchinson was the co-owner of the Dallas Cowboys with Gordon McLendon, the owner of radio and TV station KRLD in Dallas. Jack Ruby said that McLendon was one of his six best friends in Dallas. Ruby arranged for illegal gambling games for McLendon and his associates. Twelve years after the Kennedy assassination McLendon started the Association of former Intelligence Agents with Clare Booth Luce, widow of Henry Luce, publisher of Time and Life. McLendon and Luce and the former intelligence agents who joined them were trying to stop the investigations chaired by Senator Frank Church, Democrat of Idaho, which exposed the CIA plots with the Mafia against the life of Fidel Castro. Because it would explain that the person LBJ called when he became concerned about the Garrison investigation of the assassination was Abe Fortas. Maybe because the guy was a supreme court judge and he could put pressure on a prosecutor somehow? Is that a little more logical? Occam's Razor. Or does any contact with an American Jew mean Mossad to you? Because it would explain LBJ's behavior over the attack on the USS Liberty. No. What could LBJ do? Attack Israel at the same time Soviet Arab client states were also attacking Israel? Sure, it would punish Israel if America joined forces with the USSR in attacking Israel but at a time when America was bleeding in Vietnam I don't think LBJ wanted to hand a victory to the Soviet bloc even if it let the Israelis who attacked the USS Liberty off the hook.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I would have used "than" in place of your "then". Don't you understand english, do you feel alright?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
I would capitalize the proper noun "English". "The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Capitals are part of empire system, hell with them.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
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#19. To: noone222, aristeides (#14)
I have heard it said the the CIA and the MOSSAD enjoy a seamless relationship.
#20. To: aristeides, noone222, Arator (#15)
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They didn't trust the Mafia either, but they certainly used it.
#21. To: SKYDRIFTER (#13)
#22. To: christine (#21)
#23. To: Destro (#19)
Especially not the CIA from the 60s.
Beginning in 1951 Angleton was responsible for cooperation with Israel's Mossad and Shin Bet agencies, a relationship he managed closely for virtually the remainder of his career. It has been claimed that, in this capacity, Angleton directed CIA assistance to the Israeli nuclear weapons program.
#24. To: wbales (#22)
On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.
#25. To: wbales (#22)
The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.
#26. To: noone222 (#1)
Americans have a tendency to see themselves as immune to the communistic/fascistic attacks that have decimated empires throughout history. This form of denial is dangerous to say the least because a cognitive dissonance replaces reflective analysis, and allows the nonsense such as National Security to stifle real evidence that contradicts the contrived storyline.
#27. To: BTP Holdings (#26)
If the people do not wake up soon
#28. To: christine (#25)
it's oh so obvious who has all the power, isn't it?
#29. To: aristeides, christine (#23)
#30. To: wbales (#29)
otherwise incomprehensible handling of the USS Liberty incident. Subsequent to USN jets leaving the deck of the USS America, Israel told Johnson that they would expose Johnson's complicity in JFK's violent impeachment. The
#31. To: tom007 (#30)
#32. To: aristeides (#23)
#33. To: Destro (#32)
Agleton helped the Israeli set up Mossaad.
#34. To: wbales, aristeides, christine, tom007 (#29)
In the JFK murder, Mosaad WAS lurking about pushing the deed but never reaching the extent of blatant, overt involvement.
#35. To: BTP Holdings (#34)
#36. To: wbales (#33)
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Agleton helped the Israeli set up Mossaad.
#37. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, aristeides, christine, tom007 (#34)
and it is beyond doubt that the Israelis had a hand in the assassination.
#38. To: Destro (#36)
#39. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, aristeides, christine, tom007 (#34)
Mike Piper, in his blockbuster bestseller, Final Judgement, says that the real assassins were members of the Corsican mafia who were recruited by Mossad
#40. To: Destro (#37)
Mossad was not part of the JFK hit.
#41. To: aristeides (#38)
Angleton's big coup through Mossad was getting the text of Khrushchev's speech. That was in 1956.
#42. To: Destro (#41)
#43. To: aristeides (#42)
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You sure are anxious to deny the possibility of any Mossad involvement in as murky a matter as the JFK assassination. I wonder why.
#44. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, aristeides, christine, tom007 (#40)
Is that beyond doubt to you?
#45. To: Destro (#43)
You seem anxious to involve Mossad in the murky a matter as the JFK assassination. I wonder why.
#46. To: Destro (#43)
You seem anxious to involve Mossad in the murky a matter as the JFK assassination. I wonder why.
#47. To: Destro (#44)
Why are Jackie Kennedy’s papers still sealed?
#48. To: aristeides (#46)
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You say flatly that Mossad was not involved. You said flatly, until I pointed out the facts contradict you, that there was no connection between the CIA and Mossad until years after the JFK assassination.
#49. To: tom007 (#47)
This alone provides strong evidence that the "Lone Gunman" idea, that the current head of the Senate Judicuary, Specter, promotes, is a crock, and so is Specter.
#50. To: Destro (#48)
#51. To: aristeides (#50)
You think that, because it's probable that Texas, the CIA, and the Mafia were involved in the assassination, therefore it's IMPOSSIBLE that the Mossad was also involved? I'm sorry, but I really fail to see the logic in that.
#52. To: Destro (#51)
I would like to know why you would include an IMPROBABLE Mossad connection to killing JFK?
#53. To: aristeides (#51)
PS: Another Texas connection to JFK - Bush the elder - and unlike his son he and his pals are not known to have been Heb/Zio-philes and would not have let in people OUTSIDE their club (and the Mafia was well within their club - Texas oilmen and Mafia dons partied at private resorts in Texas for decades) in on such a delicate hit.
#54. To: Destro (#51)
Imus himself has referred to one African-American journalist as "a cleaning lady," another as a "quota hire," and tennis player Amelie Mauresmo as "a big old lesbo." Imus taunted another reporter as a "beanie-wearing little Jewboy," called a disabled colleague "the cripple," and has said that he picked one of his producers to do "nigger jokes" (60 Minutes, 7/19/98).
#55. To: aristeides (#52)
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Because it's known that JFK quarreled with Israel about their nukes. Because it would explain the alacrity with which the media fanatically adopted the Warren Commission fiction. Because it would explain that the person LBJ called when he became concerned about the Garrison investigation of the assassination was Abe Fortas. Because it would explain LBJ's behavior over the attack on the USS Liberty.
#56. To: Destro (#55)
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much better at the killing thing then the
#57. To: Dakmar (#56)
Don't you understand english, do you feel alright?
#58. To: Destro (#57)
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