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Title: There is no war on terrorism
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/76020-terorrism-0
Published: Apr 5, 2007
Author: Jack Duggan
Post Date: 2007-04-05 10:26:44 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 366
Comments: 38

All the stories we see in the TV news, print and Internet media today are like mice in a small room occupied by a grizzly bear. We can see the bear, hear him panting and growling as he attempts to stomp on us, but everyone pretends he's just not there, even though he's eating all the food and we mice are starving.

The bear is the U.S. government and media cover up of the 9/11 attacks. They never came close to proving that foreign "terrorists" were involved. Of all four missing planes' passenger manifests, not one Middle Easterner was on any of them. A jihadist who is bravely going to his death for the sake of his beliefs in Allah and Islam is a martyr and wants the whole world to know it. Martyr's families receive reverential praise and support in their communities for decades. Yet not one of the "terrorists" the American government insists were on the aircraft used their real names or were listed on the passenger lists. At least seven of the nineteen 'hijackers' are still alive.

The 9/11 attacks were created for justification of U.S. covert plans to grab influence over oil politics in the Middle East and as an excuse to take away the rest of Americans' liberties through a manufactured threat-scenario called, "The War On Terror."

What good are all the thousands of articles about politics, global warming, education, scandals, religion, economics and how we must always go out and vote so that we can "make a difference"? If our votes really did make a difference, they'd be illegal.

Who cares about such articles when the cover up of what really happened on 9/11 is hands-off, an untouchable leper? What good are they when in the name of a phony "terrorist attack," our way of life no longer exists except at the pleasure of corporate-driven federal socialists? We are being starved of our liberties by a ursus horribulus that stomps every mouse who dares get in his way or mention that he's there.

I see a lot of authors write all around the grizzly bear, almost approaching the truth, but none seem to have the conviction to call for an open door to run the bear out of the house. Our Founding Fathers would have made a bearskin rug.

I will tell you here and tell you now with no equivocation: THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE NOT DONE BY TERRORISTS.

There is absolutely no need for the PATRIOT Act, the FEMA Police, Homeland Security, airline and stadium searches and warrantless monitoring of every phone call and e-mail conversation we make.

In the name of a false threat that never existed, all of our rights and freedoms have been trivialized. Every branch of federal government has been suborned, including the U.S. Supreme Court, whose judicial activists invent law and have recently canceled our rights to own property, in Kelo v. City of New London, making eminent-domain confiscations of our homes to increase politicians' tax profits 'constitutional.'

Central government today is one-hundred times worse than under George III, yet how many Americans can see this? Perhaps most don't want to see it, because it might compel them to drop their precious remote controls.

There is no war on terror

If there was, the whole nation would be told to take up arms. Everybody would be armed, even on aircraft. Inexpensive AK47's would be stored in every closet, much like arms are stored in homes all over Switzerland because the Swiss government has nothing to fear from its populace. There is only a war against our freedom in the name of a created threat that doesn't exist. We have been duped into surrendering our liberty in the false name of security by a government that sends us out into the "War On Terror" unarmed because we cannot be trusted with guns. The most basic of all rights is the right of self defense against criminal attacks. A great equalizer between the weak and the strong, guns in the hands of women could reduce assaults upon them by stronger male attackers by 80%. How can it be said that women have equal rights if they cannot carry, yet Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton and Laura Bush all hide behind guns for their protection because they're much more important than our wives, sisters and daughters? Again, the only 'war' is on our freedoms.

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#1. To: More--Excellent article! (#0)

People are so used to being indoctrinated by government that they have actually been convinced to ignore their own eyes. Everyone who saw the videos of the World Trade Center Towers saw them fall exactly like other high-rise buildings that were dropped by sequential demolition charges, at the speed of gravity because there was no structural resistance below to impede their collapse into their basement footprints. Yet almost every viewer has been convinced by the lap-dog media that measly jet-fuel fires could melt the massive steel girders of both buildings, then make everything collapse. Just like a pilot's foot pedals could make a passenger jet burst into flames, then crash in Rockaway, NY. Apparently the federal government has learned that the public will buy any lie, no matter how absurd, if it's repeated often enough.

There were dozens and dozens of reports by rescue workers on the ground at the WTC complex that heard explosions over an hour after the planes crashed into the towers. They felt explosions under their feet that were so powerful that seismographs registered them at 2.1 and 2.3 on the Richter scale. Only explosions could have caused them.

The weekend before the 9/11 WTC demolition, all power was shut down to install "computer cables." No one was allowed inside and all security cameras and alarms had no power for 30 hours. Computer cables don't connect with building electricity, so the need to turn off and close both towers to do so is indicative of another motive, like planting charges without alarms and video surveillance. Marvin Bush, brother to President George and Jeb, was a principal in Securacom, which was in charge of security for the World Trade Center. Didn't hear that on the TV news, did you?

Suckers who still buy into the monumental lie that aircraft crashes caused the collapse of both WTC Towers, cannot explain how a steel beam weighing twice as much as a Boeing 767 flew from one WTC building over 390 feet to bury itself very deeply into the neighboring American Express building. Even harder to explain is why WTC Building 7, a block away, collapsed "because of fire," when it received no damage from the Twin Towers' collapse. No other skyscraper in the world ever collapsed because of a fire of any type, including that from a B25 bomber crashing into the Empire State Building decades ago. Of all the air crashes in the USA over the past three decades, how many ground crashes resulted in not recovering their black boxes, containing pilots' voices (CVR's) and aircraft telemetries (FDR's) before and during impact? Yet not one usable black box was ever recovered from any of the four planes that reputedly were hijacked on 9/11. Not one. Flight 93 that contained the "Let's roll!" myth, where four passengers supposedly tried to overpower the hijackers, did not crash into one small area like it should have. Its debris was spread over 8 miles, indicating that it was shot down by a military fighter jet, exploding in the sky and raining down debris over eight miles, "like confetti."

The WTC was the biggest crime, mass murder, 'hijackings' and air crashes in US history. Yet all the forensic evidence was immediately removed, buried or shipped to smelters so that not one investigator from any agency could inspect it. Who has that kind of power?

President Bush and all his staff swore to God to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America , then apparently went on to violate their oaths of office by completely ignoring the Constitution. Bush maintains that he can ignore the U.S. Constitution and tap into private computers, phone lines, medical records and any other private citizens' data whenever he wants, by his self-declared doctrine of "Unitary Executive.” He claims that as Commander-In-Chief the president is the sole judge of the law, is unbound by the Geneva Conventions against torture and possesses inherent authority to subordinate the entire government to his rule - including Congress and the courts.

christine  posted on  2007-04-05   10:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

thanks for excellent article. I think written by an American. but published in Russian paper. If he worked for Ameican paper he'd meet same fait as Gary Webb.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-04-05   10:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluedogtxn, SKYDRIFTER, Kamala, YertleTurtle, Diana, robin, Destro, AGAviator, Critter, wbales, scrapper2, ..., HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, Minerva, Morgana Le Fay, a vast rightwing conspiracy, JohnGalt, angle, FormerLurker, Eoghan, all (#1) (Edited)

Bush also originated "Extraordinary Rendition.” This program, also condoned by Vice President Dick Cheney, involves the clandestine transfer of suspected terrorists to countries ruled by regimes that torture and commit other forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. Dr. William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA, referring to a set of CIA flight logs obtained by his organization, said the logs were “...irrefutable proof that the United States is ‘disappearing’ people into secret facilities where they are held incommunicado without charge, trial, or access to the outside world.”

The American Reichstag Fire of the 9/11 "terrorist attacks" was created so that the American public would back the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Iran in the name of "The War On Terror," while stripping away the rights of the same American public. The results have been the same as in Nazi Germany, suspensions of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and private ownership of property. Citizens are forbidden to own the same weapons that their "servants," their police and military, carry to defend themselves. There is literally more freedom in most Third-World countries than now in the USA, which has ten times the per-capita prison population than the People's Republic of China.

Alexis de Tocqueville wisely observed, “I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.”

The 'War On Terror' is a sham to enable U.S. power to confiscate, to torture, to imprison without due process and to invade any country that the military- industrial complex fancies. When God was kicked out of public life, we know who stepped in.

Where are the cries for impeachment?

Where are the defenders of liberty? None of them seem to work in the broadcast or print media.

When are citizens going to demand that the cover up of 9/11 be kicked out the door along with the people who invented it? When will the truth be told, that THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR, but only on oil and on citizens' rights?

The bear is there, but where are the mice with the courage to force him out the door?

christine  posted on  2007-04-05   10:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

says it all bump

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-04-05   11:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#1)

Of all the air crashes in the USA over the past three decades, how many ground crashes resulted in not recovering their black boxes, containing pilots' voices (CVR's) and aircraft telemetries (FDR's) before and during impact? Yet not one usable black box was ever recovered from any of the four planes that reputedly were hijacked on 9/11. Not one.

Hebrew speaking "Islamofascist terrorists" are pretty hard to explain away with the wave of a hand.

That's the same reason you'll never see or hear the video the jew mossad agents dressed up as Arabs shot of the attacks. (The ONLY people ever arrested with any connection to the attacks.)

Is there any question these people are the enemy within? Freepers are the cadre from which totalitarian regimes draw executioniers, torturers, rats, and informants. - Burkeman1

Esso  posted on  2007-04-05   11:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#3)

Great rant bump!

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-05   12:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

If our votes really did make a difference, they'd be illegal.

Effing Brilliant line.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-05   15:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, ALL (#0)

Yet not one of the "terrorists" the American government insists were on the aircraft used their real names or were listed on the passenger lists.

This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE, christine.

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http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_on_the_manifests.html

No Hijackers on the Manifests

The story...

Another problem in the official account is that, although we are told that four or five of the alleged hijackers were on each of the four flights, no proof of this claim has been provided. The story, of course, is that they did not force their way onto the planes but were regular, ticketed passengers. If so, their names should be on the flight manifests. But the flight manifests that have been released contain neither the names of the alleged hijackers nor any other Arab names... http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-Myth-Reality-Griffin30mar06.htm

Our take...

There are several arguments used to advance the “no hijackers on the passenger manifests” case, but they’re not nearly as definitive as their proponents like to pretend. David Ray Griffin’s assertion above, for instance, is footnoted with this explanation:

The flight manifest for AA 11 that was published by CNN can be seen at http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html. The manifests for the other flights can be located by simply changing that part of the URL. The manifest for UA 93, for example, is at http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html . http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-Myth-Reality-Griffin30mar06.htm

There’s an obvious clue here in the URL, which tells us it’s a “victims” list. Is it really surprising that the suspected hijackers wouldn’t be included? And in fact if you look on the site you’ll find CNN specifically say those names have been left out.

Further, the CNN lists aren’t an official manifest anyway. They were compiled from press reports, not names obtained directly from the airlines. We’ve more on this here.

When we’ve made this point, a common response has been: why? Why did CNN have to cobble together a list in this way, why didn’t they get the details direct from the airlines? Look at what one of the airlines says, though, and there’s an obvious answer: a UAL press release says that “At the request of the victims' families, a number of names have been withheld from release”. The same press release does list many passenger names, however (see here or here).

If the airlines wanted to contact family members before releasing names, then this would also explain why the hijackers details would be held back. It would plainly take longer to get in touch with citizens of other countries, than the families of Americans.

At least one newspaper reported that it had obtained the manifests from the two planes hijacked from Boston, though, and the hijackers did appear on the lists. They even printed their seat numbers. See the details here.

This early release of information tends to be ignored, though, in favour of other evidence showing “no Arab names on the passenger lists”. One commonly-quoted example was produced by Thomas Olmsted, who filed a Freedom of Information Act Request for the names of the Flight 77 victims. A list eventually arrived which did not include the names of hijackers, which he claimed indicated that they were not aboard (see an article here). But he’s wrong. Here’s why.

Olmsted also tries to compare his list with the CNN list to show there are inconsistencies. And that doesn’t stand up, either.

Further, journalist and author Terry McDermott reports that he obtained passenger lists from the FBI while researching a book, and they did contain the hijackers names. Read more details and see the full lists here.

And the complete passenger lists have subsequently been released as part of an exhibit at the Moussaoui trial, where a Flash applet details exactly who sat where, who made phone calls, and more. We’ve uploaded it to this page, though beware, in total these are more than 15MB in size so you’ll need a broadband connection.

Anyway, if you just want to see the lists without waiting around, or you don’t have the Flash player installed anyway, then try this page of images instead.

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When are 4umers going to realize that you won't find the truth by repeating lies?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-05   19:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluedogtxn (#7)

If our votes really did make a difference, they'd be illegal. Effing Brilliant line.

isn't it. i thought this article was outstanding.

christine  posted on  2007-04-05   19:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine, ALL (#1)

Everyone who saw the videos of the World Trade Center Towers saw them fall exactly like other high-rise buildings that were dropped by sequential demolition charges

This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE, christine. Which is why NOT ONE demolition expert anywhere in the world is on record saying that the towers were brought down by explosives. NOT ONE. This is a much simpler explanation:

http://www.debunking911.com/collapse.htm

, at the speed of gravity because there was no structural resistance below to impede their collapse

This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE, christine. Just because I'm *evil* doesn't make your claim true. To collapse at the "speed of gravity", the towers would have to have collapsed in under 10 seconds. But videos and photos prove the collapses took about 15 seconds.

Yet almost every viewer has been convinced by the lap-dog media that measly jet-fuel fires could melt the massive steel girders of both buildings, then make everything collapse.

This is a STRAWMAN, christine. Neither the government, NIST or any structural engineers or demolitions experts are now saying that melting steel had anything to do with the collapse of the towers. Why do you persist in this nonsense, christine? I know you think I'm *evil* but that doesn't change the facts into what you claim.

They felt explosions under their feet that were so powerful that seismographs registered them at 2.1 and 2.3 on the Richter scale. Only explosions could have caused them.

That's not what the seismologists say. ALL who have spoken on the subject anywhere in the world, including those who recorded the data, are on record saying there is no indication of explosives or anything besides what is postulated in NIST's scenario in the seismic records. Lerner-Lam said "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers. That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context." ImplosionWorld, experts in demolition stated "In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibrations during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration "spikes" documented by any seismograph, and we are unaware of any entity possessing such data. This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive demolition. The laws of physics dictate that any detonation powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have transferred excess energy through those same columns into the ground, and would certainly have been detected by at least one of the monitors that were sensitive enough to record the structural collapses. However, a detailed analysis of all available data reveals no presense of any unusual or abnormal vibration events." So why do you persist in this, christine, even though this has already been pointed out to you several times?

Suckers who still buy into the monumental lie that aircraft crashes caused the collapse of both WTC Towers,

That would be ALL the real experts in the world, I guess. The only non-suckers are you, a couple janitors, a sub-atomic particle physicist, a water treatment expert, a theologian, a couple philosophers, a dental material expert, a lawyer and sundry others with absolutely no experience in structures, impact, fire, steel, concrete, demolition, buckling, seismology or macro-world physics. ROTFLOL!

cannot explain how a steel beam weighing twice as much as a Boeing 767 flew from one WTC building over 390 feet to bury itself very deeply into the neighboring American Express building.

This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE, christine. Explanations have been presented on more than one occasion. Here is one: http://www.911myths.com/html/explosive_force.html The problem is that you simply ignore them. Which only makes you look foolish.

Even harder to explain is why WTC Building 7, a block away, collapsed "because of fire," when it received no damage from the Twin Towers' collapse.

This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE, christine. WTC7 was badly damaged by the collapse of the towers. And numerous experts, fireman statements and photos document this. Why do you insist on this nonsense ... going so far as to misrepresent the facts? Are you that obsessed?

No other skyscraper in the world ever collapsed because of a fire of any type,

Again, this is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. All portions of the Windsor Tower in Madrid that relied solely on a steel frame for support did in fact collapse due to fire ... one not even started by jet fuel and one that was fought by firemen.

Furthermore, no other skyscrapers in the world of WTC-like construction have ever been hit by commercial jets filled with fuel and traveling at maximum speed and then burned without firefighting of any kind for over an hour.

Why do you persist in this nonsense, christine? You only discredit the effort to find out what really happened on 9/11 by doing this. You will never find the truth on a foundation of misinformation and delusion.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-05   19:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#3)

Very good article, says it all.

It's more like a war on American citizens, though I continue to ask and wonder why this is being done to us, what do they hope to accomplish by taking away our rights slowly (maybe not so slowly) and surely, just what is the reason for this whole thing. It's like a cloud of evil has descended on this country.

Diana  posted on  2007-04-05   19:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BeAChooser (#10)

BeAChooser, the government could sell you shit and you'd think it Shinola.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2007-04-05   20:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#3)

I know it's happened before in history in various places, but I just don't understand the mentality behind it, except perhaps a type of evil takes over.

Diana  posted on  2007-04-05   20:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BeAChooser (#8)

When are 4umers going to realize that you won't find the truth by repeating lies?

OH my goodness look who shows up.

Diana  posted on  2007-04-05   20:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BeAChooser, christine (#10)

Are you that obsessed?

you mean you're not obsessed but get paid for doing this?

Diana  posted on  2007-04-05   20:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Diana (#11)

though I continue to ask and wonder why this is being done to us, what do they hope to accomplish by taking away our rights

I'm not sure either - money? power?

kiki  posted on  2007-04-05   20:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: beachooser, Minerva, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#8)

When are 4umers going to realize that you won't find the truth by repeating lies?

BAC doesn't like us.

Hmmmm!

Damn, Christine; maybe it's time for him to move onward.

As much energy as you put into deceit, BAC, you can't recognize the truth if you were drowning in it. But, you being a treasonous queer, we can't expect too much of you, I guess.



SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-05   21:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: beachooser, Destro, Minerva, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#10)

To collapse at the "speed of gravity", the towers would have to have collapsed in under 10 seconds.

The point being that with the factual speed of the collapse, at whatever timing you care to cite, only controlled demolition could have accomplished that.

OR; BAC - you treasonous queer - are you saying that all those firemen didn't hear the charges going off? Are they qualified to identify an explosion?

Well ...... ?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-05   21:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BeAChooser (#10)

shalom fish breath.

could you give us a one page synopsis of your nutty rant above?

"NO ONE has quoted the Constitution or US law as to the form a Declaration of War must take" -- Fish Breath's Famous Red Herring

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-04-05   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#10)

Damn, Christine, BAC is really laying the personalized psyops/coercive persuasion shame-guilt trip all over you. You've been "targeted!"

A "good" person would agree with BAC!

{Right, BAC, you asshole?}


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-05   21:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Christine, All (#10)

Darn, Christine, notice that BAC refuses to capitalize your name?

Do you feel diminished, Christine? BAC is really working on you. That's the stuff of "Coercive Persuasion;" the Jonestown formula.

Gotta watch that BAC; that worthless piece of shit that he is.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-05   21:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BeAChooser (#10)

shalom fish breath.

when you get banned here you can go to aka stone's forum. it is called http://libertysflame.com. con op and TLBSHOW are there so you will fit right in. they don't have many posters and they want more. so they will probably even take you. or at least they will until they can attract more people.

"NO ONE has quoted the Constitution or US law as to the form a Declaration of War must take" -- Fish Breath's Famous Red Herring

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-04-05   22:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SKYDRIFTER (#21)

Sky, the fact that he doesn't capitalize my name doesn't bother me. afterall, i don't capitalize it. the fact that bac demeans the forum and all of its members (most knew him from LP and FR) is what is disrespectful. i'm not going to tolerate it anymore.

christine  posted on  2007-04-05   22:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#17)

Damn, Christine; maybe it's time for him to move onward.

Isn't it amazing that when specific claims are proven to be false by me, the only thing SKYDRIFTER can do is call for my expulsion. One might think he's afraid of the truth. And without truth, there can be no freedom.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-06   0:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine, SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#23)

Sky, the fact that he doesn't capitalize my name doesn't bother me. afterall, i don't capitalize it.

Did you not notice that SKYDRIFTER?

In fact, I try to call people exactly what they call themselves on this forum ... capitalization and all that.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-06   0:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: BeAChooser (#24)

One might think he's afraid of the truth. And without truth, there can be no freedom.

Truth? Such as your claim that Ron Brown got shot just as the nose of the plane impacted?

BAC, that's not truth. That's bullshit from a guy who can't read NewsMax with a critical eye.

.

...  posted on  2007-04-06   0:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: BeAChooser (#25)

BAC, if NewsMax ever tells you that beating off at the bus stop promotes good health and long life, come talk to me before heading down to catch the bus.

.

...  posted on  2007-04-06   0:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER, Minerva, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala (#18)

The point being that with the factual speed of the collapse

What is the speed it is supposed to fall at?

Nimords.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   0:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#28)

What is the speed it is supposed to fall at?

Makes no difference, inasmuch as it is somewhere under 20 secongs certifying that only controlled demolition could have achieved that.

Who cares about the sometimes-interesting nit-noy details?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-06   0:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: SKYDRIFTER (#29)

Makes no difference, inasmuch as it is somewhere under 20 secongs certifying that only controlled demolition could have achieved that.

And if no explosives it would fall under what speed? Slow mo like in the movies?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   1:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#30)

And if no explosives it would fall under what speed? Slow mo like in the movies?

Makes no difference, inasmuch as it is somewhere under 20 secongs certifying that only controlled demolition could have achieved that.

Any kind of "structural failure" collapse would have taken minutes to hours - if not days. The abrupt collapse of the core columns in the two towers says it was demolition, add the video captures and witnesses.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-06   1:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)

Any kind of "structural failure" collapse would have taken minutes to hours - if not days.

Really? Please point out the study that indicates that. Pulling a theory out of your arse ain't science.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   2:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#32)

Common sense doesn't require a science degree or a study.

(You and BAC, eh?)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-06   10:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Destro, Skydrifter (#32)

Pulling a theory out of your arse ain't science

It's unfortunate that your ability to think & analyze destro is apparently crippled.

I think that Skydrifter is correct. and I studied structural engineering in college. on each floor those steel columns would take time to fail. His 'under 20 second' statement is correct.

you don't have to do a study, just read a basic textbook about steel properties & structures. it takes time for the steel to fail. it bows out, it shakes, then it fails, the process takes time.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-04-06   12:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)

, inasmuch as it is somewhere under 20 secongs certifying that only controlled demolition could have achieved that.

Really? State the demolition expert(s) who informed you of this....

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   13:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Red Jones (#34) (Edited)

you don't have to do a study, just read a basic textbook about steel properties & structures. on each floor those steel columns would take time to fail. His 'under 20 second' statement is correct.

Let me know when your side provides a scientific model proving this hypothesis.

I worked in the Steel business for 10 years. Not one of the Metallurgists (all Europeans) viewed what happened to the steel under those conditions as unusual. I know because I asked when I started to read these theories online.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   14:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Red Jones (#34)

you don't have to do a study, just read a basic textbook about steel properties & structures.

I had to do it - and mine was in French - Sacre Blue!

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-06   14:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Destro, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#35)

Really? State the demolition expert(s) who informed you of this....

Listen up, R-U-BAC-2, inasmuch as the collapse time is somewhere under 20 secongs; that certifies that only controlled demolition could have achieved that - common sense prevailing; whether you approve or not.

Add the video captures and the reports of the fire fighters.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-06   18:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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