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Title: Scientists Say Everyone Can Read Minds
Source: livescience
URL Source: http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050427_mind_readers.html
Published: Apr 5, 2007
Author: By Ker Than
Post Date: 2007-04-05 12:27:11 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: None
Views: 134
Comments: 7

By Ker Than Special to LiveScience posted: 27 April 2005 07:01 am ET

Empathy allows us to feel the emotions of others, to identify and understand their feelings and motives and see things from their perspective. How we generate empathy remains a subject of intense debate in cognitive science.

Some scientists now believe they may have finally discovered its root. We're all essentially mind readers, they say.

The idea has been slow to gain acceptance, but evidence is mounting.

Mirror neurons

In 1996, three neuroscientists were probing the brain of a macaque monkey when they stumbled across a curious cluster of cells in the premotor cortex, an area of the brain responsible for planning movements. The cluster of cells fired not only when the monkey performed an action, but likewise when the monkey saw the same action performed by someone else. The cells responded the same way whether the monkey reached out to grasp a peanut, or merely watched in envy as another monkey or a human did.

Because the cells reflected the actions that the monkey observed in others, the neuroscientists named them "mirror neurons."

Later experiments confirmed the existence of mirror neurons in humans and revealed another surprise. In addition to mirroring actions, the cells reflected sensations and emotions.

"Mirror neurons suggest that we pretend to be in another person's mental shoes," says Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. "In fact, with mirror neurons we do not have to pretend, we practically are in another person's mind."

Since their discovery, mirror neurons have been implicated in a broad range of phenomena, including certain mental disorders. Mirror neurons may help cognitive scientists explain how children develop a theory of mind (ToM), which is a child's understanding that others have minds similar to their own. Doing so may help shed light on autism, in which this type of understanding is often missing.

Theory theory

Over the years, cognitive scientists have come up with a number of theories to explain how ToM develops. The "theory theory" and "simulation theory" are currently two of the most popular.

Theory theory describes children as budding social scientists. The idea is that children collect evidence -- in the form of gestures and expressions -- and use their everyday understanding of people to develop theories that explain and predict the mental state of people they come in contact with.

Vittorio Gallese, a neuroscientist at the University of Parma in Italy and one of original discovers of mirror neurons, has another name for this theory: he calls it the "Vulcan Approach," in honor of the Star Trek protagonist Spock, who belonged to an alien race called the Vulcans who suppressed their emotions in favor of logic. Spock was often unable to understand the emotions that underlie human behavior.

Gallese himself prefers simulation theory over this Vulcan approach.

Natural mind readers

Simulation theory states that we are natural mind readers. We place ourselves in another person’s "mental shoes," and use our own mind as a model for theirs.

Gallese contends that when we interact with someone, we do more than just observe the other person’s behavior. He believes we create internal representations of their actions, sensations and emotions within ourselves, as if we are the ones that are moving, sensing and feeling.

Many scientists believe that mirror neurons embody the predictions of simulation theory. "We share with others not only the way they normally act or subjectively experience emotions and sensations, but also the neural circuits enabling those same actions, emotions and sensations: the mirror neuron systems," Gallese told LiveScience.

Gallese points out, however, that the two theories are not mutually exclusive. If the mirror neuron system is defective or damaged, and our ability to empathize is lost, the observe-and-guess method of theory theory may be the only option left. Some scientists suspect this is what happens in autistic people, whose mental disorder prevents them from understanding the intentions and motives of others.

Tests underway

The idea is that the mirror neuron systems of autistic individuals are somehow impaired or deficient, and that the resulting "mind-blindness" prevents them from simulating the experiences of others. For autistic individuals, experience is more observed than lived, and the emotional undercurrents that govern so much of our human behavior are inaccessible. They guess the mental states of others through explicit theorizing, but the end result is a list -- mechanical and impersonal -- of actions, gestures and expressions void of motive, intent, or emotion.

Several labs are now testing the hypothesis that autistic individuals have a mirror neuron deficit and cannot simulate the mental states of others.

One recent experiment by Hugo Theoret and colleagues at the University of Montreal showed that mirror neurons normally active during the observation of hand movements in non-autistic individuals are silent in those who have autism.

"You either simulate with mirror neurons, or the mental states of others are completely precluded to you," said Iacoboni.

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

interesting theory bump

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-04-05   12:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick (#1)

i knew you were gonna say that.

“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson

“Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson

gengis gandhi  posted on  2007-04-05   12:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

And now to discover different groups have different mirror neurons.

Q: What happens when we imagine a conversation with a dead loved one?

Seems to me the distinction between mind simulator and mind is false. When we imagine a dead loved one, then, we speak with a part of them that is right there in our heads. Each person we meet contains a part of us, but not all of us. Distributed ghosts, in parallel.

The Christian ethic then could be viewed as way to achieve a happy distributed afterlife. "Perfection in heaven" follows from limited information storage capacity and nostalgia. Alternatively, some are remembered as devils.

If different groups have different mirror machinery, that might provide an interpretation of the jewish idea of different souls. The broadest genetic cluster classifications that yield more than one cluster find 3 or 4 races.

If our mirror machinery really is different, then not only can't we just easily get along, we cannot so easily contribute to each others' distributed afterlives. Heaven is segregated, each group happiest in its own custom Nirvana.

Not that I believe any of that, but it's fun to think about.

Remember the movie Groundhog Day? Good flick. What if instead of waking up over and over to the same day, time went on, but everyone in the town suffered from a recurring amnesia? And what if instead of falling in love, Bill Murray's protagonist wanted to be mayor? That'd be a neat movie.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-04-05   13:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

i knew you were gonna say that.

lol - well done.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-04-05   13:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Very strange thing happened to me about a month ago. For some reason, the idea came into my head to listen to a CD clip of the early Sinatra singing "Blue Skies" with the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra. A friend of mine living five hundred miles away tells me the same idea came into her head around the same time.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-05   14:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5)

sure. and if you are more sensitive to the possibility of such things, you will find they are occuring quite a bit.

everyone has personal examples of intuition that transcends mere chance. but until you are aware of the tendency, you won't know it when it happens, or will ignore it and rationalize it according to western cultural/societal programming.

“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson

“Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson

gengis gandhi  posted on  2007-04-05   14:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Scientists Say Everyone Can Read Minds

It's true. I read George Bush's mind once. It said:

" .... "

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-05   16:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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