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Title: Cheney Sticks to His Delusions
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... /04/06/BL2007040601116_pf.html
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: Dan Froomkin
Post Date: 2007-04-06 15:32:46 by ...
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Cheney Sticks to His Delusions

By Dan Froomkin
Special to Friday,>http://washingtonpost.com
Friday,
April 6, 2007; 1:20 PM

Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, even President Bush has backed off his earlier inflammatory assertions about links between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

But Vice President Cheney yesterday, in an interview with right-wing talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, continued to stick to his delusional guns.

Cheney told Limbaugh that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was leading al-Qaeda operations in Iraq before the U.S. invasion in March 2003.

"[A]fter we went into Afghanistan and shut him down there, he went to Baghdad, took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq; organized the al-Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene, and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June. He's the guy who arranged the bombing of the Samarra Mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni. This is al-Qaeda operating in Iraq," Cheney said. "And as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq." (Think Progress has the audio clip.)

But Cheney's narrative is wrong from beginning to end. For instance, Zarqawi was not an al-Qaeda member until after the war. Rather, intelligence sources now agree, he was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents. And although he worked hard to inflame sectarian violence after the invasion, he certainly didn't start it.

As it happens, just in case anyone needed more evidence of the spuriousness of Cheney's views, yesterday also marked the release of yet another report confirming that that al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government were not working together before the invasion.

The report also further documents how Cheney willfully ignored reliable intelligence in favor of broadcasting invented assertions emerging from a rogue Defense Department office -- a habit he apparently has yet to break.The Latest Report

R. Jeffrey Smith writes in The Washington Post: "Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides 'all confirmed' that Hussein's regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.

"The declassified version of the report, by acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble, also contains new details about the intelligence community's prewar consensus that the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda figures had only limited contacts, and about its judgments that reports of deeper links were based on dubious or unconfirmed information."

According to the report, "a key Pentagon office -- run by then-Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith -- had inappropriately written intelligence assessments before the March 2003 invasion alleging connections between al-Qaeda and Iraq that the U.S. intelligence consensus disputed.

"The report, in a passage previously marked secret, said Feith's office had asserted in a briefing given to Cheney's chief of staff in September 2002 that the relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda was 'mature' and 'symbiotic,' marked by shared interests and evidenced by cooperation across 10 categories, including training, financing and logistics."

Those conclusions, running so contrary to traditional intelligence findings, were "leaked to the conservative Weekly Standard magazine before the war" and then "were publicly praised by Cheney as the best source of information on the topic."

Tony Capaccio writes for Bloomberg that the report draws "a direct connection between the Sept. 16 White House briefing and Cheney's public comments thereafter.

"Four days later, Cheney referred at fundraiser to a 'well-established pattern of cooperation between Iraq and terrorists.'

"And on Dec. 2, Cheney warned in a speech that Hussein's regime 'has had high-level contact with al-Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al-Qaeda terrorists.' His language mirrored that on briefing chart entitled 'Summary of Known Iraq-al-Qaeda Contacts -- 1990-2002.'"

Here is the full text of the report; as well as the slides used by Feith's office in its presentation to senior White House officials.

On one slide entitled "Fundamental Problems with How Intelligence Community is Assessing Information," Feith's office suggests that the CIA and others were underestimating how hard Iraq and Al Qaeda would be trying to hide their relationship -- so that, in their words, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

That, of course, is highly reminiscent of the administration's key pre-war assertion that the lack of evidence of Iraqi WMDs proved how diligently Saddam was hiding them. In both cases, the administration stood traditional intelligence-gathering methodology on its head by insisting that lack of evidence was more indicative than evidence -- in other words that conviction trumped facts.The Limbaugh Connection

It's not a coincidence that Cheney was talking to Limbaugh yesterday. The show has been one of Cheney's favorite venues.

As I wrote in my January 29 column, The Unraveling of Dick Cheney, Cheney is increasingly out of touch with reality. He seems to think that by asserting things that are simply untrue, he can make others believe they are so.

In Limbaughland, he's right.

In Limbaughland, not only were Saddam and Al Qaeda linked but -- more significantly -- liberals hate America. In Limbaughland, Cheney can say a lot simply by failing to disagree with his host's assertions.

Consider a few of yesterday's exchanges.

Limbaugh was complaining to Cheney about how the Democrats seem to be primarily motivated by a desire "to make sure we come home defeated."

Limbaugh: "Can you share with us whether or not you understand their devotion, or their seeming allegiance to the concept of U.S. defeat?"

Cheney: "I can't."

I wrote yesterday about Bush's recess appointment of three controversial officials including Sam Fox, whose nomination to be ambassador to Belgium was opposed by Democrats on account of his 2004 donation to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Limbaugh called Fox "a great American" and praised the White House for making an end-run around Democratic opposition.

Limbaugh: "This is the kind of move that garners a lot of support from the people in the country. This shows the administration willing to engage these people and not allow them to get away with this kind of -- well, my term -- you don't have to accept it -- Stalinist behavior from these people on that committee."

Cheney: "Well, you're dead on, Rush."

The two also chuckled about the White House move.

Limbaugh: "You go on vacation, this is what happens to you."

Cheney: "If you're a Democrat." They both laughed.

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#8. To: ..., ALL (#0)

But Cheney's narrative is wrong from beginning to end. For instance, Zarqawi was not an al-Qaeda member until after the war. Rather, intelligence sources now agree, he was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents.

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq? They were convicted, by the way. The fact is that al-Zarqawi was in Afghanistan at the same time as bin Laden ... before the invasion of Iraq. And the fact is al-Qaeda has always been an association of terrorist groups.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-06   18:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BeAChooser (#8)

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq?

NewsMax didn't give you many details did it.

When people selectively present details, as you are doing above, and as NewsMax no doubt did to you, it usually means that the story doesn't really support the propaganda that is being pushed.

And if the story is true, why don't Bush or Cheney use it to refute this very damming report from the Defense Department? Cheney was just on Rush yesterday and he could have spewed it then.

Actually, watching you operate, I assume there is a shred of truth to the story, but that there is no doubt a huge factor that makes the story useless for your propaganda -- and that is why you are being so selective about what you tell us.

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#11. To: ..., ALL (#9)

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq?

NewsMax didn't give you many details did it.

You are working overtime to discredit yourself. You know full well that I previously posted to you links from half a dozen mainstream sources ... MSNBC, CNN, CSPAN, ABC, THE WASHINGTON POST, ETC ... all describing the Jordan chemical bomb plot and al-Zarqawi's involvement.

Like I said, ..., the Newsmax bit is getting old.

You need some new material if you want to stay in the comedy business.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   17:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BeAChooser (#11) (Edited)

Chooser, let me tell the lurkers why you CANNOT give more details on your SILLY PROPAGANDA story.

It is because it allegedly happened in 2004 -- if it happened at all.

You are trying to use it to prove Al Qaeda activity in Iraq prior to 2002.

This is why you can't go into detail. Details blow you out of the water.

Also, the only write ups you have are out of the goob fooler press - probably exclusively NewsMax and WND. I am guessing that the most reputable source you might have is Fox News. It then goes down hill from there. You know you will be ridiculed if you put that sort of SHIT up here.

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#20. To: ..., ALL (#14)

Chooser, let me tell the lurkers why you CANNOT give more details on your SILLY PROPAGANDA story.

It is because it allegedly happened in 2004 -- if it happened at all.

You are trying to use it to prove Al Qaeda activity in Iraq prior to 2002.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/

AMMAN, Jordan (CNN) -- Jordanian authorities said Monday they have broken up an alleged al Qaeda plot that would have unleashed a deadly cloud of chemicals in the heart of Jordan's capital, Amman.

The plot would have been more deadly than anything al Qaeda has done before, including the September 11 attacks, according to the Jordanian government.

Among the alleged targets were the U.S. Embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office and the headquarters of Jordanian intelligence.

... snip ...

On a confession shown on state-run Jordanian television, Jayyousi said he took orders from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a suspected terrorist leader who has been linked to al Qaeda and whom U.S. officials have said is behind some attacks in Iraq.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4838076/%20

AMMAN, Jordan - Al-Qaida plotted bombings and poison gas attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan, two conspirators said in a confession aired Monday on Jordanian state television.

Azmi al-Jayousi, identified as the head of the Jordanian cell of al-Qaida, appeared Monday in a 20-minute taped program and described meeting Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi in neighboring Iraq to plan the foiled plot.

A commentator said the plotters wanted to kill “80,000” Jordanians and had targeted the prime minister’s office, intelligence headquarters and the U.S. Embassy.

... snip ...

“I have pledged loyalty to Abu-Musab to fully be obedient and listen to him without discussion,” al-Jayousi said in the Jordanian television segment. He said he first met al-Zarqawi in Afghanistan, where al-Jayousi said he studied explosives, “before Afghanistan fell.” He said he later met al-Zarqawi in Iraq, but was not specific about when.

The videotape also showed still photographs of al-Jayousi and nine other suspects. The commentator said four of those pictured had been killed in clashes with security forces.

Al-Jayousi said he received about $170,000 from al-Zarqawi to finance the plot and used part of it to buy 20 tons of chemicals. He did not identify the chemicals, but said they “were enough for all the operations in the Jordanian arena.”

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http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_6_30.html

A suspect in a foiled plot to detonate a chemical weapon in Jordan met before hand in Iraq with fellow defendant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to discuss the planned attacks, according to a videotaped confession played in court yesterday (see GSN, June 23).

The tape shows defendant Azmi al-Jayousi confessing that he planned to carry out attacks in Jordan, the Associated Press reported.

“I met with Abu Musab in Baghdad, who told me that a man called al-Jubouri will be the contact man between me and Abu Musab,” said Jayousi, one of 13 suspects in an alleged plan to attack Jordanian intelligence agency headquarters in Amman.

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Just a sampling of what's out there ...

I'll leave you to find the rest knowing you won't even try.

They say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion.

They say they met him in Baghdad.

They say they didn't return to Iraq after going to Syria to prepare for the attack.

They say you don't know what you are talking about, ... .

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   18:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BeAChooser (#20)

They say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion.

No, you say they say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion.

I say I haven't seen that even in the shit you posted above.

I do know that they were tortured however and that would have a big bearing on whatever they say.

But back to the point, do you have a single bonafide case of Al Qaeda operating in Iraq prior to the start of the war? Given what I have seen from you so far, I am inclined to believe the United States Defense Department on this subject. Their report indicates that you are full of shit.

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#37. To: ..., ALL (#24)

"They say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion."

No, you say they say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion.

http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_6_30.html “I met with Abu Musab in Baghdad, who told me that a man called al-Jubouri will be the contact man between me and Abu Musab,” said Jayousi, one of 13 suspects in an alleged plan to attack Jordanian intelligence agency headquarters in Amman."

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/terencejeffrey/2004/05/05/11586.html "Four surviving alleged terrorists were shown in videotaped statements. Their self-professed leader was identified as Azmi al-Jayyusi. "In Herat (Afghanistan), I began training for Abu Musab," Jayyusi says in a translation published by the BBC. "The training included high-level explosives and poison courses. I then pledged allegiance to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and agreed to work for him without any discussion. After the fall of Afghanistan, I met al-Zarqawi once again in Iraq. "In Iraq, Abu Musab told me to go to Jordan along with Muwaffaq Udwan to prepare for a military operation in Jordan," said Jayyusi. Once he was in Jordan, Zarqawi sent him money via couriers, said Jayyusi. "He also supplied me, through messengers, with forged passports, identity cards and car registrations and all that is necessary.""

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Jaiousi admits meeting with Zarqawi in Baghdad, receiving instructions for attacks

Jordan Times 2005

30 June 2005

By Rana Husseini

Amman - The main defendant in the case of nine men standing trial for plotting the first chemical attack in the Kingdom, on Wednesday said he met with Abu Mussab Zarqawi in Baghdad to prepare for the alleged attacks.

In a videotape confession screened during the trial at the State Security Court (SSC) yesterday, Azmi Jaiousi said he met with Zarqawi and two other men in Iraq. "Zarqawi told me there would be military operations in Jordan soon and we needed to prepare for them... he gave me around $50,000, weapons, explosive devices and instructions to launch attacks. Our first target was State Prosecutor Mahmoud Obeidat," Jaiousi was quoted as saying in the videotape.

A second target was a General Intelligence Department (GID) officer who had blue eyes and a white Mercedes, he added. Jaiousi said he infiltrated into the Kingdom from Iraq in February 2002, hidden in a truck, and later met up with the rest of the defendants. Jaiousi also reenacted how he bought chemical substances, electric and electronic equipment and lab devices from shops in the downtown area.

The videotape also showed him manufacturing explosives and transporting empty jerry cans into trucks with defendants Husni Sharif and Ahmad Samir. The prosecution is charging that the defendants intended to use these deadly chemical substances in an attack on the GID headquarters. An explosives expert testified recently that if the chemical substances had been mixed with explosives they would have caused burns, suffocation and neurological paralysis.

During the screening of the video, the defendants claimed that the prosecution denied them the right of appointing lawyers to be present during the interrogations. Obeidat refuted their claims saying he had informed them of their right for an attorney, but they "turned down his offer." During the two-hour session, Obeidat rested his case opening the way for the defence team to present their evidence.

The defence lawyers asked the court for more time to meet with their clients and prepare the defence statements. The tribunal agreed and adjourned the session until next week. The nine men, part of a group of 13 suspects including Zarqawi, are also charged with possessing and manufacturing explosives with illicit intent, and possessing an automatic weapon with the intention of using it illegally. Jaiousi appeared on Jordan Television shortly after his arrest and described how he and other group members had bought and manufactured chemical explosives under the guidance and support of Zarqawi."

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I do know that they were tortured however

Really? You were there and saw it? Because none of the mainstream articles has indicated anything to suggest torture.

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