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Title: Cheney Sticks to His Delusions
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... /04/06/BL2007040601116_pf.html
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: Dan Froomkin
Post Date: 2007-04-06 15:32:46 by ...
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Comments: 83

Cheney Sticks to His Delusions

By Dan Froomkin
Special to Friday,>http://washingtonpost.com
Friday,
April 6, 2007; 1:20 PM

Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, even President Bush has backed off his earlier inflammatory assertions about links between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

But Vice President Cheney yesterday, in an interview with right-wing talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, continued to stick to his delusional guns.

Cheney told Limbaugh that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was leading al-Qaeda operations in Iraq before the U.S. invasion in March 2003.

"[A]fter we went into Afghanistan and shut him down there, he went to Baghdad, took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq; organized the al-Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene, and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June. He's the guy who arranged the bombing of the Samarra Mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni. This is al-Qaeda operating in Iraq," Cheney said. "And as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq." (Think Progress has the audio clip.)

But Cheney's narrative is wrong from beginning to end. For instance, Zarqawi was not an al-Qaeda member until after the war. Rather, intelligence sources now agree, he was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents. And although he worked hard to inflame sectarian violence after the invasion, he certainly didn't start it.

As it happens, just in case anyone needed more evidence of the spuriousness of Cheney's views, yesterday also marked the release of yet another report confirming that that al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government were not working together before the invasion.

The report also further documents how Cheney willfully ignored reliable intelligence in favor of broadcasting invented assertions emerging from a rogue Defense Department office -- a habit he apparently has yet to break.The Latest Report

R. Jeffrey Smith writes in The Washington Post: "Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides 'all confirmed' that Hussein's regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.

"The declassified version of the report, by acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble, also contains new details about the intelligence community's prewar consensus that the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda figures had only limited contacts, and about its judgments that reports of deeper links were based on dubious or unconfirmed information."

According to the report, "a key Pentagon office -- run by then-Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith -- had inappropriately written intelligence assessments before the March 2003 invasion alleging connections between al-Qaeda and Iraq that the U.S. intelligence consensus disputed.

"The report, in a passage previously marked secret, said Feith's office had asserted in a briefing given to Cheney's chief of staff in September 2002 that the relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda was 'mature' and 'symbiotic,' marked by shared interests and evidenced by cooperation across 10 categories, including training, financing and logistics."

Those conclusions, running so contrary to traditional intelligence findings, were "leaked to the conservative Weekly Standard magazine before the war" and then "were publicly praised by Cheney as the best source of information on the topic."

Tony Capaccio writes for Bloomberg that the report draws "a direct connection between the Sept. 16 White House briefing and Cheney's public comments thereafter.

"Four days later, Cheney referred at fundraiser to a 'well-established pattern of cooperation between Iraq and terrorists.'

"And on Dec. 2, Cheney warned in a speech that Hussein's regime 'has had high-level contact with al-Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al-Qaeda terrorists.' His language mirrored that on briefing chart entitled 'Summary of Known Iraq-al-Qaeda Contacts -- 1990-2002.'"

Here is the full text of the report; as well as the slides used by Feith's office in its presentation to senior White House officials.

On one slide entitled "Fundamental Problems with How Intelligence Community is Assessing Information," Feith's office suggests that the CIA and others were underestimating how hard Iraq and Al Qaeda would be trying to hide their relationship -- so that, in their words, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

That, of course, is highly reminiscent of the administration's key pre-war assertion that the lack of evidence of Iraqi WMDs proved how diligently Saddam was hiding them. In both cases, the administration stood traditional intelligence-gathering methodology on its head by insisting that lack of evidence was more indicative than evidence -- in other words that conviction trumped facts.The Limbaugh Connection

It's not a coincidence that Cheney was talking to Limbaugh yesterday. The show has been one of Cheney's favorite venues.

As I wrote in my January 29 column, The Unraveling of Dick Cheney, Cheney is increasingly out of touch with reality. He seems to think that by asserting things that are simply untrue, he can make others believe they are so.

In Limbaughland, he's right.

In Limbaughland, not only were Saddam and Al Qaeda linked but -- more significantly -- liberals hate America. In Limbaughland, Cheney can say a lot simply by failing to disagree with his host's assertions.

Consider a few of yesterday's exchanges.

Limbaugh was complaining to Cheney about how the Democrats seem to be primarily motivated by a desire "to make sure we come home defeated."

Limbaugh: "Can you share with us whether or not you understand their devotion, or their seeming allegiance to the concept of U.S. defeat?"

Cheney: "I can't."

I wrote yesterday about Bush's recess appointment of three controversial officials including Sam Fox, whose nomination to be ambassador to Belgium was opposed by Democrats on account of his 2004 donation to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Limbaugh called Fox "a great American" and praised the White House for making an end-run around Democratic opposition.

Limbaugh: "This is the kind of move that garners a lot of support from the people in the country. This shows the administration willing to engage these people and not allow them to get away with this kind of -- well, my term -- you don't have to accept it -- Stalinist behavior from these people on that committee."

Cheney: "Well, you're dead on, Rush."

The two also chuckled about the White House move.

Limbaugh: "You go on vacation, this is what happens to you."

Cheney: "If you're a Democrat." They both laughed.

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#8. To: ..., ALL (#0)

But Cheney's narrative is wrong from beginning to end. For instance, Zarqawi was not an al-Qaeda member until after the war. Rather, intelligence sources now agree, he was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents.

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq? They were convicted, by the way. The fact is that al-Zarqawi was in Afghanistan at the same time as bin Laden ... before the invasion of Iraq. And the fact is al-Qaeda has always been an association of terrorist groups.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-06   18:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BeAChooser (#8)

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq?

NewsMax didn't give you many details did it.

When people selectively present details, as you are doing above, and as NewsMax no doubt did to you, it usually means that the story doesn't really support the propaganda that is being pushed.

And if the story is true, why don't Bush or Cheney use it to refute this very damming report from the Defense Department? Cheney was just on Rush yesterday and he could have spewed it then.

Actually, watching you operate, I assume there is a shred of truth to the story, but that there is no doubt a huge factor that makes the story useless for your propaganda -- and that is why you are being so selective about what you tell us.

...  posted on  2007-04-06   21:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ..., ALL (#9)

Why did a dozen self-admitted members of al-Qaeda who were caught bringing explosives, chemicals and vehicles into Jordan to committ an act of mass casualty terror say they met with and were funded by al-Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq?

NewsMax didn't give you many details did it.

You are working overtime to discredit yourself. You know full well that I previously posted to you links from half a dozen mainstream sources ... MSNBC, CNN, CSPAN, ABC, THE WASHINGTON POST, ETC ... all describing the Jordan chemical bomb plot and al-Zarqawi's involvement.

Like I said, ..., the Newsmax bit is getting old.

You need some new material if you want to stay in the comedy business.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   17:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BeAChooser (#11) (Edited)

Chooser, let me tell the lurkers why you CANNOT give more details on your SILLY PROPAGANDA story.

It is because it allegedly happened in 2004 -- if it happened at all.

You are trying to use it to prove Al Qaeda activity in Iraq prior to 2002.

This is why you can't go into detail. Details blow you out of the water.

Also, the only write ups you have are out of the goob fooler press - probably exclusively NewsMax and WND. I am guessing that the most reputable source you might have is Fox News. It then goes down hill from there. You know you will be ridiculed if you put that sort of SHIT up here.

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#20. To: ..., ALL (#14)

Chooser, let me tell the lurkers why you CANNOT give more details on your SILLY PROPAGANDA story.

It is because it allegedly happened in 2004 -- if it happened at all.

You are trying to use it to prove Al Qaeda activity in Iraq prior to 2002.

***********

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/

AMMAN, Jordan (CNN) -- Jordanian authorities said Monday they have broken up an alleged al Qaeda plot that would have unleashed a deadly cloud of chemicals in the heart of Jordan's capital, Amman.

The plot would have been more deadly than anything al Qaeda has done before, including the September 11 attacks, according to the Jordanian government.

Among the alleged targets were the U.S. Embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office and the headquarters of Jordanian intelligence.

... snip ...

On a confession shown on state-run Jordanian television, Jayyousi said he took orders from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a suspected terrorist leader who has been linked to al Qaeda and whom U.S. officials have said is behind some attacks in Iraq.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4838076/%20

AMMAN, Jordan - Al-Qaida plotted bombings and poison gas attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan, two conspirators said in a confession aired Monday on Jordanian state television.

Azmi al-Jayousi, identified as the head of the Jordanian cell of al-Qaida, appeared Monday in a 20-minute taped program and described meeting Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi in neighboring Iraq to plan the foiled plot.

A commentator said the plotters wanted to kill “80,000” Jordanians and had targeted the prime minister’s office, intelligence headquarters and the U.S. Embassy.

... snip ...

“I have pledged loyalty to Abu-Musab to fully be obedient and listen to him without discussion,” al-Jayousi said in the Jordanian television segment. He said he first met al-Zarqawi in Afghanistan, where al-Jayousi said he studied explosives, “before Afghanistan fell.” He said he later met al-Zarqawi in Iraq, but was not specific about when.

The videotape also showed still photographs of al-Jayousi and nine other suspects. The commentator said four of those pictured had been killed in clashes with security forces.

Al-Jayousi said he received about $170,000 from al-Zarqawi to finance the plot and used part of it to buy 20 tons of chemicals. He did not identify the chemicals, but said they “were enough for all the operations in the Jordanian arena.”

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http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_6_30.html

A suspect in a foiled plot to detonate a chemical weapon in Jordan met before hand in Iraq with fellow defendant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to discuss the planned attacks, according to a videotaped confession played in court yesterday (see GSN, June 23).

The tape shows defendant Azmi al-Jayousi confessing that he planned to carry out attacks in Jordan, the Associated Press reported.

“I met with Abu Musab in Baghdad, who told me that a man called al-Jubouri will be the contact man between me and Abu Musab,” said Jayousi, one of 13 suspects in an alleged plan to attack Jordanian intelligence agency headquarters in Amman.

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Just a sampling of what's out there ...

I'll leave you to find the rest knowing you won't even try.

They say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion.

They say they met him in Baghdad.

They say they didn't return to Iraq after going to Syria to prepare for the attack.

They say you don't know what you are talking about, ... .

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   18:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BeAChooser (#20)

Kook, I scanned your silly spam above and I note that it doesn't say one fucking word about Al Qaeda operating in Iraq prior to the start of the war.

You are a bald faced bullshit artist hiding behind spam - and nothing more.

I guess the Defense Department is right and you are dead fucking wrong. But we all knew that to begin with.

...  posted on  2007-04-07   18:48:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ..., ALL (#22)

I note that it doesn't say one fucking word about Al Qaeda operating in Iraq prior to the start of the war.

You're not being honest. Terrorists who ADMIT they are al-Qaeda say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion when he funded their chemical bomb plot. Apparently you have problems in math, too, and can't add 2 and 2.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:04:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BeAChooser (#31)

You're not being honest. Terrorists who ADMIT they are al-Qaeda say they met al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the invasion when he funded their chemical bomb plot.

By your scummy weasel words I can tell that the only sources you have indicate that the meeting took place in the area where Zarqawi lived, the Northern No Fly Zone. An area where Saddam had no authority. Zarqawi operated there because Saddam would have hung him if he went to a Saddam controlled region.

...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:07:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: ..., ALL (#35)

By your scummy weasel words I can tell that the only sources you have indicate that the meeting took place in the area where Zarqawi lived, the Northern No Fly Zone.

Too bad you posted that before post #37. Maybe your problem is you don't actually know how to use your browser to investigate matters such as that. Or do you just think it is easier run off at the mouth and post red herring after red herring.

Stale, ...

Your act is really stale now.

Time for a screenname change?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: BeAChooser (#43)

Stale, ...

Your act is really stale now.

Time for a screenname change?

Are you trying to change the subject or go personal here?

I can't really tell.

Which scumball tactic are you trying to implement? Be a little more clear.

...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:24:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: ..., ALL (#45)

Are you trying to change the subject or go personal here?

Nah ... just still curious about your past posting history. The moment I showed up on 4um you were on me about Ron Brown. Claimed to know all about me. Made me wonder if you and I had ever had a discussion about Ron Brown on some other forum. But you seem hesitant to tell me if you ever posted anywhere besides 4um.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:40:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: BeAChooser (#62)

Even if your link was functional, which it doesn't appear to be, I would not be impressed that you could write a one man kook blog to back up your bullshit.

LMAO!!

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