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Title: Cheney Sticks to His Delusions
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... /04/06/BL2007040601116_pf.html
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: Dan Froomkin
Post Date: 2007-04-06 15:32:46 by ...
Keywords: None
Views: 4712
Comments: 83

Cheney Sticks to His Delusions

By Dan Froomkin
Special to Friday,>http://washingtonpost.com
Friday,
April 6, 2007; 1:20 PM

Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, even President Bush has backed off his earlier inflammatory assertions about links between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

But Vice President Cheney yesterday, in an interview with right-wing talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, continued to stick to his delusional guns.

Cheney told Limbaugh that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was leading al-Qaeda operations in Iraq before the U.S. invasion in March 2003.

"[A]fter we went into Afghanistan and shut him down there, he went to Baghdad, took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq; organized the al-Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene, and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June. He's the guy who arranged the bombing of the Samarra Mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni. This is al-Qaeda operating in Iraq," Cheney said. "And as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq." (Think Progress has the audio clip.)

But Cheney's narrative is wrong from beginning to end. For instance, Zarqawi was not an al-Qaeda member until after the war. Rather, intelligence sources now agree, he was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents. And although he worked hard to inflame sectarian violence after the invasion, he certainly didn't start it.

As it happens, just in case anyone needed more evidence of the spuriousness of Cheney's views, yesterday also marked the release of yet another report confirming that that al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government were not working together before the invasion.

The report also further documents how Cheney willfully ignored reliable intelligence in favor of broadcasting invented assertions emerging from a rogue Defense Department office -- a habit he apparently has yet to break.The Latest Report

R. Jeffrey Smith writes in The Washington Post: "Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides 'all confirmed' that Hussein's regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.

"The declassified version of the report, by acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble, also contains new details about the intelligence community's prewar consensus that the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda figures had only limited contacts, and about its judgments that reports of deeper links were based on dubious or unconfirmed information."

According to the report, "a key Pentagon office -- run by then-Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith -- had inappropriately written intelligence assessments before the March 2003 invasion alleging connections between al-Qaeda and Iraq that the U.S. intelligence consensus disputed.

"The report, in a passage previously marked secret, said Feith's office had asserted in a briefing given to Cheney's chief of staff in September 2002 that the relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda was 'mature' and 'symbiotic,' marked by shared interests and evidenced by cooperation across 10 categories, including training, financing and logistics."

Those conclusions, running so contrary to traditional intelligence findings, were "leaked to the conservative Weekly Standard magazine before the war" and then "were publicly praised by Cheney as the best source of information on the topic."

Tony Capaccio writes for Bloomberg that the report draws "a direct connection between the Sept. 16 White House briefing and Cheney's public comments thereafter.

"Four days later, Cheney referred at fundraiser to a 'well-established pattern of cooperation between Iraq and terrorists.'

"And on Dec. 2, Cheney warned in a speech that Hussein's regime 'has had high-level contact with al-Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al-Qaeda terrorists.' His language mirrored that on briefing chart entitled 'Summary of Known Iraq-al-Qaeda Contacts -- 1990-2002.'"

Here is the full text of the report; as well as the slides used by Feith's office in its presentation to senior White House officials.

On one slide entitled "Fundamental Problems with How Intelligence Community is Assessing Information," Feith's office suggests that the CIA and others were underestimating how hard Iraq and Al Qaeda would be trying to hide their relationship -- so that, in their words, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

That, of course, is highly reminiscent of the administration's key pre-war assertion that the lack of evidence of Iraqi WMDs proved how diligently Saddam was hiding them. In both cases, the administration stood traditional intelligence-gathering methodology on its head by insisting that lack of evidence was more indicative than evidence -- in other words that conviction trumped facts.The Limbaugh Connection

It's not a coincidence that Cheney was talking to Limbaugh yesterday. The show has been one of Cheney's favorite venues.

As I wrote in my January 29 column, The Unraveling of Dick Cheney, Cheney is increasingly out of touch with reality. He seems to think that by asserting things that are simply untrue, he can make others believe they are so.

In Limbaughland, he's right.

In Limbaughland, not only were Saddam and Al Qaeda linked but -- more significantly -- liberals hate America. In Limbaughland, Cheney can say a lot simply by failing to disagree with his host's assertions.

Consider a few of yesterday's exchanges.

Limbaugh was complaining to Cheney about how the Democrats seem to be primarily motivated by a desire "to make sure we come home defeated."

Limbaugh: "Can you share with us whether or not you understand their devotion, or their seeming allegiance to the concept of U.S. defeat?"

Cheney: "I can't."

I wrote yesterday about Bush's recess appointment of three controversial officials including Sam Fox, whose nomination to be ambassador to Belgium was opposed by Democrats on account of his 2004 donation to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Limbaugh called Fox "a great American" and praised the White House for making an end-run around Democratic opposition.

Limbaugh: "This is the kind of move that garners a lot of support from the people in the country. This shows the administration willing to engage these people and not allow them to get away with this kind of -- well, my term -- you don't have to accept it -- Stalinist behavior from these people on that committee."

Cheney: "Well, you're dead on, Rush."

The two also chuckled about the White House move.

Limbaugh: "You go on vacation, this is what happens to you."

Cheney: "If you're a Democrat." They both laughed.

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#44. To: BeAChooser (#38)

No, they clearly stated they met him in BAGHDAD.

The links you posted say that they met with him in "Iraq".

Hell of a big difference huh? Northern no fly zone and all?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: BeAChooser (#43)

Stale, ...

Your act is really stale now.

Time for a screenname change?

Are you trying to change the subject or go personal here?

I can't really tell.

Which scumball tactic are you trying to implement? Be a little more clear.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: BeAChooser (#43)

Why don't you whine to Christine?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: BeAChooser (#39)

Let me ask the question again:

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: BeAChooser (#43)

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: BeAChooser (#43) (Edited)

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: BeAChooser (#43)

I am not going to let you dodge this by hurling insults or trying to change the subject:

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: ..., christine, all (#40)

You also claimed that the perps met with Zarqawi "in Iraq" prior to the war - and you were very tight lipped about the rest of the details.

You look around and you'd find I've been saying the terrorists admitted to meeting al-Zarqawi in Baghdad for a long time. I thought you claimed to know all about me and my statements. Apparently not. And far from being tight lipped, I provided links you were too lazy to actually visit.

Besides, christine has warned me that if post anything but links I'll be punished. I was just doing her bidding. Right, christine?

I pointed out that prior to the war, Zarqawi lived in the Northern No Fly Zone.

But he was in Baghdad for a time. That's public knowledge. And apparently he was there when the terrorists met him because they said they met him in Baghdad. Or are you still suffering from a reading problem?

You are a lying scumbag.

You are only embarrassing yourself.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: BeAChooser (#39)

I am not going to let you dodge this by changing the subject or tossing out silly insults:

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: BeAChooser (#51)

But he was in Baghdad for a time. That's public knowledge.

No, that is your spew. From what I've read he was in the Northern No Fly Zone and Bush refused to take him out there. Bush had two chances and he needed the guy alive to say that Al Qaeda was in Iraq.

That is why the links you posted don't say "Baghdad" they say "Iraq".

But you know this.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: ... (#52)

The Unauthorized Biography of Dick Cheney (rm 40Mins 13Megs)

http://207.44.245.159/video1/mer_thief_Dick_Cheney.rm

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-07   19:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: BeAChooser (#51)

By the way kook, you are still dodging the question:

If any of your silly spew is true, if any shred of the moronic shit you have posted above is true, why doesn't Bush go on national TV tonight and save his sinking Presidency with it? Why does he leave it to kooks like you to push it on internet forums and why does it only come out in goob fooler rags like NewsMax - which, by the way, are targeted at gullible kooks like yourself?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: ..., ALL (#41)

No, I've clearly stated from the beginning that the terrorists said they met al-Zarqawi in Baghdad.

Prove it.

What? That I stated from the beginning that the terrrorists said they met al-Zarqawi in Baghdad? Sure. This is a statement by me on a previous thread:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=48869&Disp=160#C160 "We have documents showing that the Iraqi regime was playing catch and release with al-Qaeda terrorists. al-Zarqawi even felt confident enough to meet IN BAGHDAD the terrorists who Jordan eventually caught with the materials they planned to use to kill tens of thousands."

Zarqawi wasn't allowed in Saddam controlled territory.

Who wasn't *allowing* him, ...?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: ..., ALL (#42)

Are you democRAT, ...? Is that why you show no shame while embarrassing yourself as badly as you have on this threa

I can always tell when I have you in a lie. You try to change the subject or go personal.

ROTFLOL! Do you consider it an insult to be called a democRAT?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: BeAChooser (#56)

What? That I stated from the beginning that the terrrorists said they met al-Zarqawi in Baghdad? Sure. This is a statement by me on a previous thread:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

A little word twisting here?

I asked you to prove that Zarqawi was in Baghdad. (snork!) And you come back with " You asked me to prove that I STATED Zaraqwi was in Baghdad"????

Only a lying sack of shit like yourself would try a cheap debating tacting like this.

OK. Given your miserable performance here. We will take it as a fact that Zarqawi was not in Baghdad, you just said he was there.

Oh my sides.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: ..., ALL (#44)

The links you posted say that they met with him in "Iraq".

Problem reading?

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http://www.zawya.com/marketing.cfm?zp&p=/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20050630103112?cc

"Jordan: Jaiousi admits meeting with Zarqawi in Baghdad, receiving instructions for attacks

Jordan Times

30 June 2005

Amman - The main defendant in the case of nine men standing trial for plotting the first chemical attack in the Kingdom, on Wednesday said he met with Abu Mussab Zarqawi in Baghdad to prepare for the alleged attacks."

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BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: BeAChooser (#57)

ROTFLOL! Do you consider it an insult to be called a democRAT?

I actually think you've been caught in a bald faced lie and you are trying to change the subject - like you always do when this happens.

I am not going to bite.

Zarqawi was not in Baghdad and you basically admitted it above. After you got busted for this you try to start a fight with cheap insults. LMAO!!

You really are a lying scumbag. One simply has to read the thread above to see it.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: ..., cheap debating tactic squad (#58)

Only a lying sack of shit like yourself would try a cheap debating tacting like this.

touche

"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar

Dakmar  posted on  2007-04-07   19:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: ..., ALL (#45)

Are you trying to change the subject or go personal here?

Nah ... just still curious about your past posting history. The moment I showed up on 4um you were on me about Ron Brown. Claimed to know all about me. Made me wonder if you and I had ever had a discussion about Ron Brown on some other forum. But you seem hesitant to tell me if you ever posted anywhere besides 4um.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: BeAChooser (#59)

Problem reading?

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http://www.zawya.com/marketing.cfm?zp&p=/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20050630103112?cc

"Jordan: Jaiousi admits meeting with Zarqawi in Baghdad, receiving instructions for attacks

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Chooser gets backed into a corner and tries his tried and proven tactic.

POSTING A DEAD LINK!!!!

Oh my sides.

You are a lying kook.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: BeAChooser (#59)

How many of your posts come from NewsMax? How many from Chalabi squad? Why do you hate Americans?

"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar

Dakmar  posted on  2007-04-07   19:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: BeAChooser (#62)

Even if your link was functional, which it doesn't appear to be, I would not be impressed that you could write a one man kook blog to back up your bullshit.

LMAO!!

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: ..., christine, ALL (#49)

Gee, I wonder if your posts 47, 48, 49, 50, 52 and 55 constitute spamming?

Or is that just something only I can be accused of here at 4um?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: BeAChooser (#66)

No, they are not spamming because you were using your typical scumball tactics of changing the subject or tosssing out silly personal insults. It is a way of rubbing your nose in your dishonesty and your scummy tactics. It is perfectly legit when used on screwballs like yourself. You, being a kook however, are not permitted to use it on anyone else.

Is that clear?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:46:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: ..., ALL (#60)

"Do you consider it an insult to be called a democRAT?"

I actually think you've been caught in a bald faced lie and you are trying to change the subject - like you always do when this happens.

You don't want to answer that question? Could it be that you don't think it's an insult to be called a democRAT? Hmmmmmmm....

Zarqawi was not in Baghdad and you basically admitted it above.

No, I posted an article from the Jordan Times where one of the terrorists said he met al-Zarqawi in Baghdad. That's hardly what you claim I admitted. Your desperation is now quite obvious, ...

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: BeAChooser (#66)

There actually is a double standard here, but it is necessary as:

1. You are dishonest, and

2. You are an asshole.

So we have to handle you differently. I hope you understand.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: BeAChooser (#66)

Or is that just something only I can be accused of here at 4um?

I've granted myself authority to lease you license. $25 too steep to start out?

"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar

Dakmar  posted on  2007-04-07   19:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: BeAChooser (#68)

You don't want to answer that question? Could it be that you don't think it's an insult to be called a democRAT? Hmmmmmmm....

No, I'm not going to fall for your silly shit. I will start repeating the questions you are trying to dodge if you try your scumball tactic again however.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: BeAChooser (#68)

No, I posted an article from the Jordan Times where one of the terrorists said he met al-Zarqawi in Baghdad. That's hardly what you claim I admitted. Your desperation is now quite obvious, ...

You posted a dead link. At least you posted a link to a magazine subscription site the last time you tried this shit. Are your standards slipping?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: ..., ALL (#63)

Chooser gets backed into a corner and tries his tried and proven tactic.

I have no problem opening that link.

Maybe you really don't know how to use your browser. ROTFLOL!

Here is more from the linked article:

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In a videotape confession screened during the trial at the State Security Court (SSC) yesterday, Azmi Jaiousi said he met with Zarqawi and two other men in Iraq. "Zarqawi told me there would be military operations in Jordan soon and we needed to prepare for them... he gave me around $50,000, weapons, explosive devices and instructions to launch attacks. Our first target was State Prosecutor Mahmoud Obeidat," Jaiousi was quoted as saying in the videotape.

A second target was a General Intelligence Department (GID) officer who had blue eyes and a white Mercedes, he added. Jaiousi said he infiltrated into the Kingdom from Iraq in February 2002, hidden in a truck, and later met up with the rest of the defendants. Jaiousi also reenacted how he bought chemical substances, electric and electronic equipment and lab devices from shops in the downtown area.

The videotape also showed him manufacturing explosives and transporting empty jerry cans into trucks with defendants Husni Sharif and Ahmad Samir. The prosecution is charging that the defendants intended to use these deadly chemical substances in an attack on the GID headquarters. An explosives expert testified recently that if the chemical substances had been mixed with explosives they would have caused burns, suffocation and neurological paralysis.

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BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: ..., christine, ALL (#67)

Is that clear?

It's nice to know who is the boss around here. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   19:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: BeAChooser (#74)

It's nice to know who is the boss around here. ROTFLOL!

It's just that your status is so low that anyone can kick you anytime they want.

But back to the question kook, if your spew has any merit at all, why doesn't Bush save himself with it?

I want to watch you dodge this question. Will it be personal attack? Or will be be an attempt to change the subject?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: BeAChooser, Christine (#74)

It's nice to know who is the boss around here. ROTFLOL!

It's just that your status is so low that anyone can kick you anytime they want.

Here, let me demonstrate.

Christine, may I rub chooser's nose in some of his shit? You don't mind do you?

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   19:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: BeAChooser, christine (#74) (Edited)

It's nice to know who is the boss around here. ROTFLOL!

BAC, if you ask nice I'll bet christine will consider letting you take the reins as part of a syndicalist operation. One of us should ask about it.

"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar

Dakmar  posted on  2007-04-07   20:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: ... (#76)

no

christine  posted on  2007-04-07   20:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: christine (#78)

no

Thank you.

I just busted the dishonest idiot for posting ANOTHER dead link on the other thread.

That's twice in two hours he tried that same scumball tactic on me.

I am going to rub his nose in it now.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   20:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: ..., Nolu_chan, christine, ALL (#79)

I just busted the dishonest idiot for posting ANOTHER dead link on the other thread.

What you did is prove you were too lazy to even visit a link posted by another 4umer (Nolu_chan) and which proved the quote I said came from the ISG final report was authentic.

But you go ahead and keep digging a hole for Freedom4um's credibility.

I doubt christine will mind.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-07   23:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: BeAChooser (#80)

Oooo. you want to keep your stuff under wraps don't you.

"NO ONE has quoted the Constitution or US law as to the form a Declaration of War must take" -- Fish Breath's Famous Red Herring

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-04-07   23:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: BeAChooser (#80)

What you did is prove you were too lazy to even visit a link posted by another 4umer (Nolu_chan) and which proved the quote I said came from the ISG final report was authentic.

Ahhh. Chooser tactic number two, change the subject.

That isn't the issue here and you know it.

The issue is the fact that you made up bullshit quotes and then tried to support them with fake links. You did this twice tonight and you have done it other times in the past. You got busted for it tonight.

I've already explained the solution to you. If you don't like being held up to the world as a lying scumbag, stop acting like a lying scumbag.

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...  posted on  2007-04-07   23:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: BeAChooser (#80)

Lemme ast you somethin', old paint.

Suppose old Zarquawi had persuaded Saddam to let him roam around Iraq like it was his backyard, and supposing that he had recruited a bunch of crazies to foment a blast in Jordan. This has been asserted in a number sources, but I really have my doubts, because if this had been proven, it would be white hot. We would have never heard the end of it.

But let's just assume that this story so generously attested to by our Jordanian friends is true. Does that give us license to throw 3200 American lives into the hopper, to throw billions and billions and billions away and to toss all our credibility in the world onto a trash heap?

Because this is the nub of this whole line of argument. It goes to the existence of a casus belli.

Is this why we went half way around the world to wreck our Army? Because Zarquawi & Co. was on the loose with a bunch of jerry cans, plotting an explosion that did not happen??

Let's get some damned perspective here.

Alles Scheisse.

randge  posted on  2007-04-08   0:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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