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Title: Fear and Loathing in Freeperville
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URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/6/115611/4175
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: Iowa Boy
Post Date: 2007-04-06 22:17:19 by ...
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I recently returned to online activities after a ninety day 'vacation'. I decided to see some new country, so I created a Free Republic login, and what I found in the day and a half my login survived ... has interesting implications for the 2008 elections. We've seen the 43%/43% Democratic/Republican split shift to a 50%/35% split and after just a day with the FReepers I'm sure that trend is going to continue. In fact, I think we can help it along ... First, a little background. I washed in here on the rising tide of the 2006 midterm elections. I'd been a registered Republican (RKBA, people, RKBA) until the 2004 election. I'm not sure if it was Swift Boater slime or the vote recounting antics in Florida, but the final straws were tree trunk thick and falling fast. I'd never liked the religious right component of the party and it was obvious where things were heading. I held my nose with one hand, my Glock with the other, and voted a straight Democratic ticket with my teeth for the 2004 election. When 2006 rolled around I'd pretty much completed my metamorphosis - ActBlue contributions every time there was an article here with a link and I volunteered a bit for Jim Esch in NE-02. I registered on Free Republic April 4th as "Thomas Pained" and began posting. They expunged my account and postings the night of April 5th, but you can still see it with the Google's cache feature. Use this search string, include the quotes, and click the 'cache' links: "Thomas Pained" http://site:freerepublic.com I've been struggling with how to cut a tidy example of what I saw out of the boiling pot of FReeper spaghetti logic and after three attempts I've given up. If you're already familiar with them you know what goes on there, if you aren't I suggest you go and perform the same experiment I did; register, comment as a Libertarian Democrat(fake it if you must), and see for yourself. As an executive summary I'll say that what one will see as purely an observer will be: 1.) The articles are consistently over the top. Extremist views, few or no outside links to support claims made, no fact checking, etc. 2.) The follow up comments are of three types: Enthusiastic supporters reinforcing or directing to related stories, one liner cheer leaders, and very rarely a short, well thought out response that runs against the community standard but appears to come from someone with a conservative/Libertarian viewpoint. 3.) Though not formally stated as policy there are 'brown shirts' - a sort of equivalent to the trusted user construct here, but they share the same murderous tendencies of their namesake. Rather than the progressive (there's that word again!) discipline of DKos' troll ratings on a post by post basis the 'final solution' is quickly applied to those who fall out of line. None of this is news to those who visit DailyKos on the regular, but what it means is rarely covered, and I think it has big implications for 2008. Lets sharpen this up a bit: FreeRepublic squelches dissent. Even loyal dissent from within the ranks. This is a huge problem in human endeavors since a few control the tune and new voices, no matter what insight and energy they might bring, are not welcome. God has spoken, ya'll will get in line, just in case you hadn't picked up on where the right gets their management consulting. FreeRepublic is hysterical. I don't mean hysterical funny, I mean hysterical, uhh, not rational. Rational people prefer rational discourse and Free Republic just can't get there. Objective truth does not support their prejudices nor the End of Days myth, so it is shut out of the discussion stream. FreeRepublic is devotional and affirmational. I think this point, more than any other, confuses progressives. When a FReeper ignores a primary source because it disproves the initial thesis of a given thread it isn't that they're failing to think - they're there to reinforce a creed handed down by a higher power, and you'll be demonized if you try to interfere. What does this all mean for the 2008 election? Republican membership dropped from 43% of total voters to 35%. 8/43 is 0.186 - 18.6%% of Republicans jumped ship in time for the 2006 midterm election. That is a seismic shift in what has been a nearly even balance for the last couple of generations and it happened when the Republicans controlled Congress. Why did those people jump ship? I believe something like 60% named corruption as the number one issue driving their change. Now that Hammerin' Hank has subpoena power I think this rich vein of angry swing voters will continue to produce new Democratic voters purely due to the side effects of a fair and balanced application of oversight. Yes, Virginia, the Republican party really is that dirty. 43% claimed the Republican party prior to 2006. 25% of all U.S. citizens are evangelical/fundamentalist Christian. I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that 100% of them were part of that 43% who were Republican. So ... 35% claim the Republican party and 25/35 or 71% of them are religiously motivated and won't change. Fine! I want the other 29% and the 300 Democratic House and 70 Democratic Senate seats that will come from peeling the two groups apart. Don't start planning a same sex wedding in a newly created national forest because it won't play out like that. Are you ready for a lot more blue dog type Democrats? When those districts turn from red to blue they're changing parties but they're not changing temperaments all that much. The flag, apple pie, and pregnancies that don't start until after the wedding bells stop ringing will still be the order of the day. What do we do next? Don't say Hillary. Or Barack. Or John. This is much bigger than the 2008 election. Neoconservatism is totally discredited. Faith based initiative bribery of Christian Right leaders will disintegrate under the attentions of a Democratic majority House. The money is going one direction, the foot soldiers another, and Free Republic's ejection of a former Republican such as myself is a proxy for what is happening all over the country in many different ways. The Republican Party is dying. Our Constitution was written by men with a visceral distaste for religious fanaticism. Many of those 35% of voters who still claim the Republican party are going to change anyway as the Bush administration comes under scrutiny, but many more will shift if an appropriately framed message is delivered. I've been thinking about how to communicate this for a long time. I keep watching this site, waiting for some other wise guy to present the solution in a slick, well written fashion. That hasn't happened yet. Some time in the next week or two I'll take up my pen again and try to express how I believe this 'saving' might be accomplished.
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Good riddance. I'll never be or vote Republican again.
L'amour aussi bien que le feu ne peut pas subsister sans un mouvement continuel; et il cesse de vivre dès qu'il cesse d'ésperer ou de craindre.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S Thompson
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." Tipi Turtle: 1985
Freaker land is a good indication of what sort of talent the GOP has to draw from- and it isn't pretty. Anyone with a brain cell (even if still basically Bushbot) is eventually drummed off that site when they finally can't contain themselves on some issue and stray from the party line. All that is left are dopes. And the conservative media is essentially doing the same thing- turning off anyone with a brain- leaving viewers, readers, and listeners who are the dregs and dopes. And I have noticed that as the ranks of "conservatives" get stupider due to purges and just honorable people not putting up with their lies- the propaganda gets more stupid- which even further quickens the pace of the dumbing down of "conservative" ranks.
I have been banned from Freeerepublic about a dozen times give or take. My longest incarnation was that of Destro. For kicks I signed up again as 'Longinus'. On the thread Lessons Of 'The 300' I let the Freepernuts have it. It seems I ruined their masturbation fantasies of naked oily manly men killing Iranians. In otherwords they are using '300' as a fantasy replacement for their war desires. One or two Freeprers thanked me for my 'bravery' in stating what they feel and some did it openly on forum. Here goes the thread - enjoy - I sure did. Focus on the military masturbating brownshirt wannabee 'jveritas' at the end. To: RDTF It is the soldier, not the priest, who protects freedom of religion; the soldier, not the journalist, who protects freedom of speech. History teaches that a society that does not value its warriors will be destroyed by a society that does. Jesus thinks otherwise. A soldier can both protect and take your freedoms. Don't let a simplistic but enjoyable movie provide simplistic answers. I hope people remember our founding fathers were distrustful of standing armies. 6 posted on 03/26/2007 6:57:14 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) Don't let a simplistic notion of Christ confuse your grip on reality. Christ was a soldier too. He did not try to "understand" or "live with" evil. He opposed it. This is the fundamental flaw in the in the "pacifist" Christ manufactured by Modern Religion. It complete ignores the basic reality of good vrs evil and the need for good to actively OPPOSE evil, not coexist with it. 14 posted on 03/26/2007 7:14:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.) To: MNJohnnie Christ was a soldier too Christians rose up in arms against the Roman empire that was killing them? No. Jesus warned his message would be distorted in the end times and he was correct. Christians were not cowards - but how they fought (and should fight) was to willingly die through martyrdom WITHOUT ARMED RESISTANCE against authority. 'The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.' Christ is not a jihadist, 21 posted on 03/26/2007 7:28:57 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) Sure, Christians rise up and physically fight for their right to worship. In Rome, itself, eventually they did (along with a lot of other things going on at the same time). The Crusades were similarly a defensive fight against muslim oppression. Indeed, in modern times, the answer is frequently violent. Christians in Sudan need new AK-47s more than they need new Bibles. 23 posted on 03/26/2007 7:32:43 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal) To: MeanWestTexan Christians NEVER rose up against the pagan Romans. That is an outright lie. Only the Catholics viewed the Crusade as a holy war - the Crusade was against Christian teaching even f justified from a secular point of view - i.e. the Roman Emperor at Constantinople requesting military aid against the Turks from Western Europe via the Pope. The emperor never requested a holy war or imparted a religious dimension to his request for military assistance. In fact Eastern Christianity was horrified at the notion of holy war like Crusade and insisted that the knights came to fight as soldiers sworn to the emperor, not to Christ. 28 posted on 03/26/2007 7:48:10 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) Were the Republicans who voted AGAINST the Kosovo war pacifists? Unlike the Iraq war Clinton fought that war without Congressional authorization - it was against the US Constitution, NATO's and the UN's charter. An illegal war through and through by any criteria. So if you were against the Kosovo war were you a bleeding heart lefty? Maybe we need more complexity in our thoughts rather than simplicity? Not so much that we become like Hamlet the Dane but not too little that we are like Homer the Simpson. 34 posted on 03/26/2007 7:59:20 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus I see you just joined FR. You aren't one of those islamist sympathizers we have been warned about joining various web site to try and sway opinions on muslims and the war, are you? 50 posted on 03/26/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them) To: Androcles I loved '300' - I want to see it again - what bothers me is people using this movie to somehow justify a point of view they hold against a different enemy on top of that. I wonder if they made a movie of Sparta vs Thebes - who would they root for? I will root for Thebes since she freed the helots. 86 posted on 03/26/2007 8:57:24 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: webstersII; Longinus Cite a Biblical source for that. Martyrdom does not forgive sins. I've asked this noobie twice already for his Biblical source and he just keeps piling on with his opinions. He's a troll trying to stir up trouble. 120 posted on 03/26/2007 11:04:52 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity) To: webstersII; subterfuge He's a troll trying to stir up trouble. What trouble? Disagreeing about a movie based on a comic book? Or disagreeing about martyrdom leads to heaven? Are you some sort of brain washed Jones Town types that freak out that others may have opinions - non political opinions even - different from yours? That is '1984' like thinking by you. 128 posted on 03/26/2007 11:55:05 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus Quite a few here are nothing but loud mouthed nobodies....and they know it. So, they pick one on technicality and make it their holy-grail. They make themselves a martyr to be applauded by others who post in their defense. It's sick. 151 posted on 03/26/2007 1:03:08 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;)) To: USMMA_83 I sadly agree. I have been called Newbie several times by such small minded people because I dared call them on their facts or opinion - how dare I! Like it's highschool and I have to sit at the freshman table. I hate cliques and I hate group think. I am frankly shocked I am encountering group think on what is a conservative forum. I though we would be free thinkers in here. 152 posted on 03/26/2007 1:18:49 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus I am frankly shocked I am encountering group think on what is a conservative forum. I though we would be free thinkers in here. Well then show a little humility and thoughtfulness yourself. You pontificate as if you're the end-all to the discussion. No disrespect to you if you're legit, but when a new poster shows up and so adamantly expresses a view counter to a lot of us, we're suspicuous. If I'm wrong and you're not a subversive (there are many on the forum) then I apologize. With all due respect, I suggest you just move on to another thread if you haven't already. Happy Freeping. 157 posted on 03/26/2007 1:36:59 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: subterfuge No disrespect to you if you're legit, but when a new poster shows up and so adamantly expresses a view counter to a lot of us, we're suspicuous. What? It was counter to you - not a lot of you - and it did not involve politics in any way - but a discussion of history. I have no way to respond back to that - I assume having a strong opinion and having a chess match of ideas would be fun for most on here. If I'm wrong and you're not a subversive (there are many on the forum) then I apologize. Subversive? What next - will I be called a counter revolutionary? See my remark about group think. 158 posted on 03/26/2007 1:48:36 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus What an idiotic statement [I hope people remember our founding fathers were distrustful of standing armies. .] It is the US military who spread freedom and hope around the world, it is that US military that liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last 60 years, and has preserved our freedom, our way of life and the freedom of untold millions. PS: Your time on FR will be short. 162 posted on 03/26/2007 1:56:21 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War) To: jveritas "That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies in time of peace should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power." -George Mason, Article 13 of the Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776. "Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." -Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789. "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower and former General of the Army. Not a founding father but a great Republican president. If my time here is short its is a shame yours was long seeing as you lack any first hand knowledge of the Founding Father's thoughts. 164 posted on 03/26/2007 2:10:31 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus Go away troll. Tonight kneel down and give prayers for all the troops of past who fought for our freedom and our way of life and pray for the troops of the present who are doing the same. Shame on you. 169 posted on 03/26/2007 8:59:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War) To: jveritas you go away - in all your posts you threaten other posters to leave because they offended your narrow world view. By the way did you hate the GOP for voting against the Kosovo war... 170 posted on 03/27/2007 5:15:57 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus Listen idiot troll. Clinton went to the war in Kosovo alone with no Congress approval. In fact the Senate did not even consider voting on a bill to declare the war against Kosovo. 171 posted on 03/27/2007 6:00:33 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War) To: jveritas So you did not support the troops then? I mean we did liberate Kosovo for Muslim jihadis over their evil Christian rulers. So is that the liberation force you were talking about? 172 posted on 03/27/2007 7:18:20 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC)) To: Longinus Listen idiot: I did support the troops in any war they fight and I support their mission as well no matter what. You should do the same. Also the mission in Kosovo was not to support muslim terrorists as you said in this lie post of yours. Stop lying and go away. What is you previous freeper name before you got banned, tell me coward. 174 posted on 03/27/2007 7:53:44 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War) To: RDTF He is still breathing and causing trouble. He is either a troll or a retread. 175 posted on 03/27/2007 7:54:55 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War) To: Admin Moderator We have a newbie troublemaker on Free Republic, bent on antagonizing everyone here and shaking up our harmonious existence. 179 posted on 03/27/2007 8:25:21 AM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro) LOL!!! bent on antagonizing everyone here and shaking up our harmonious existence. Where did I hear thinking like that before? Oh, yes! Information about Communisim in the Columbia Encyclopedia®. ... Ultimately there would develop a harmonious classless society To: jveritas He was suspended :) Carry on 182 posted on 03/27/2007 10:45:04 AM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: RDTF Finally :) 183 posted on 03/27/2007 11:31:20 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
During the summer of 1999, RimJob was calling Bush a socialist and commie and worse. Suddenly, about the time of the South Carolina primary, he came on with an ultimatum: Back Bush or get out. I think his term was "McCainiacs not welcome here. Nuff said." Then he purged them by the hundreds. Shortly before the war started, he was back. "Anyone opposing this war can leave, now. Or we'll help you. This is a site for patriots." Another major purge. The Nazi Party had nothing on this punk. And these suckers are now so inbred, as I say so often, if Bush kicked in their door and raped their teenage daughter, they'd thank him and start naming the baby George or Georgette. They're sick, demented excuses for human beings. They're just too stupid to understand anything about the world, other than the profit on the used cars they sell to suckers, and they need a scumbag like Bush to tell them what to "think." It was hilarious when Pigboy started bleating he was sick of carrying water for the Bushies. They didn't know what to do. Now he's back to carrying water for them, they're happy again. They gotta be the stupidest human beings in the world.
fun read!
that's funny
I've often said that Republicanism is the upper 4% income bracket conning the Americans with IQs below 100 into voting against their own best intersts - and conning these same Americans into voting for the interests of the upper 4% income bracket. There are some intelligent Republicans, but normal people like us don't see them. For us, a Republican is the used car salesman or the red neck truck driver who can't fill out his own log book.
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Someone on LP once said that if Cheney converted to Islam and flew a plane into the Sears Tower the Freepers would still line up to blow the guy.
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This little ditty is entertaining.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f- news/1813235/posts?page=131#131 Jim Robinson: Guess it depends on how they define conservatism. Support for abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal alien pandering, etc, are really not conservative positions. Torie: Well, about a zillion posts here argue over that question, in the capture the moniker game. If fact, sometimes it seems like almost everyone here does but myself. (I have posted zero posts on the topic - zero, nada, the null set.) I could make an argument that some of the items on your list are "conservative," having to do with the rights of the individual not being circumscribed by intrusive government, but then I could argue the other way too, because I'm a lawyer, and I get paid to do that. Frankly I don't give a d**m what the label is. I put the most emphasis on leadership and management abilities, and on growing the economy, taming the medical subsidy beast, and security. If I put a big premium on the gay rights issue, or prayer in school, or the evolution wars, or stem cells, or the morning after pill, legalizing assault weapons in Manhattan, etc., I would be a Democrat. But I don't. By the way, if Giuliani wins the nomination, and you going to try to lead your following into supporting a third party candidate? Jim Robinson: Sorry, pal, but I will not be part of leading the Republican party to la la land. “Compassionate” conservatism was bad enough. Full blown liberalism will doom the party. Torie: I am not hawking Rudy to you. In fact, I tend not to hawk candidates on this site. I think participants are perfectly capable of making up their own minds. Once in awhile, I provide some information, once, not 200 times, about a candidate, that may not have been widely disseminated, or where I see false assertions made about some candidate (even one I do not favor), I sometimes comment on that. What I was asking was whether you were going to go third party if Rudy gets the nomination. I guess the answer to that one is yes. Thanks for the information. No further response from Mr. Robinson was made, and thus the exchange ended, not with a bang, but with a whimper. And there you have it. I report, you decide. One interpretation is that Mr. Robinson responded in the affirmative to my query, another is that he took the Fifth. I guess a third is that Mr. Robinson did not read reach the second paragraph of my initial post, finding the first paragraph quite enough for him. Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Thanks, Brian, I needed a laugh.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
No wonder. Ever listen to the 'midnight trucker' type radio shows. Carbon-copies of the day time Limbo, Hannity propaganda machine. Let it also be noted that the original hosts of these programs were actual truck-drivers but have since been replaced by 'neocon prop-pigs' that never climbed into anything taller than the family 'mini-van' (by their own admission).
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
In my mind a real Republican is a guy who sends his kid off to a gun fight in Iraq and then spends tremendous energy worrying that two queers on the other side of the country, who he has never met, might get married.
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Hoo-rah! or whatever the fucking 'battle-cry' is this week!!!
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
A real Republican sends somebody else's kid off to the gun fight.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
They hate liberalism, full-blown or not, so much that they are incapable of recognizing that Bushite "conservatism" has become a much bigger threat to the country. I wonder if they ever stop to think about just what they objected to in liberalism.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
They have no idea what "liberalism" means, they simply hate everyone they've been told to hate. I guess that makes planning dinner parties a breeze.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
For the most part yes. But there seem to be two kinds of Republicans, the Beneficiary Republicans and the goobers. The beneficiary Republicans make over a million dollars per year and want cheap labor and low taxes. The goobers make 15K to 25K per year and don't really know what they want. The Beneficiary Republicans fill this void by using a controlled media to tell the goobers that they want unmarried queers and dead muslims. The Beneficiary Republicans are too smart to send their own kids to fight the wars, so they send the goobers' kids instead. They manage this by telling the goobers that going off to fight for the Beneficiaries is a great honor. The goobs lap it up and agree. The Beneficiary Republicans would like to send everyone's kids off to war but the rest of the country is wise to them. At least that is my take on the matter.
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huh???
the zionized christian right nutjob movement has cashed its check as well. this is the beginning of the revolution, and it will not stop, but will only gather momentum, just as i had predicted. also, both political parties are on their way out. if the democrats show themselves to be played out to special interests, they will meet their doom, but i mean a final doom. not they will be taken from power for a period only to return, as now, but will become totally irrelevant as the whig party once new third parties begin to form. since no one at all is being represented by either party, and since the constition is being ingored as well, i believe we are heading to a multiparty system. i have also been wondering about a worldwide, global police action against this nwo organization and its actors.
“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson “Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson
My goodness - Wopper of the Day Alert.
Carbon-copies of the day time Limbo, Hannity propaganda machine. Let it also be noted that the original hosts of these programs were actual truck-drivers but have since been replaced by 'neocon prop-pigs' that never climbed into anything taller than the family 'mini-van' (by their own admission). I happened across one of those on my way to work last week. Truckers were calling in and blasting junior and poppy for what their NAFTA and assorted free trade shit have done to the industry. And the wannabe truckers hosting the program were calling all of them idiots and telling the truckers that they didn't know what they were talking about. Now there's a way to get listeners...tell them fucking idiots if they don't support the destruction of their livelihoods. I don't know how long those party hacks pretending to be truckers have been on the air, but if they are still there in the next few months then it will be obvious that the GOP (or the fedgov) is subsidizing them.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." Tipi Turtle: 1985
I thought that one was interesting, too. Hard to couch the sacking of Constantinople in those terms, too.
Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
Combination political/spiritual schizophrenia.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Whether the Republican Party survives will depend upon the extent to which it succeeds in dissociating itself from everything associated with the Bush II administration.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
An apparent Orthodox Christian Slavophile fanatic who condemns everything associated with Islam and who refuses to admit even the possibility that Israel was involved in the JFK assassination. I don't think that fits together.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Don't take my words out of context. The Byzantine emperor asked the Pope to get him military assistance from the West against invading Turks. The Pope then declared a crusade - a concept foreign to Eastern Christians. The crusade (which was not a crusade for Eastern Christians but how else to describe it to Americans other than using the word crusade - they are idiots when it comes to history) was initiated to fight Turkish invaders and the Catholics turned it into a holy war to free Jerusalem for themselves.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
to admit even the possibility that Israel was involved in the JFK assassination. Just because you are a nutjob does not mean I have to take on your delusions. I think you are more delusional to insert Israelis in the hit on JFK then anythung eles. aristeides is no different then the goobers who think the Muslims carry out all terrorisim everywhere and will invade America and Islamocize us. He just feels that way about the Israeli boogyman rather than the 'Islamo' boogyman. Also, you have to be as dumb as a sack of nails to miss my points - I don't get how you can read my above posts as 'Longinus' and get the impression I am calling for war against Muslims or Iranians or anyone. I am pretty much laying it on the line that the impression of the movie '300' as a pro war movie especially to war against Iran is wrong both via its history and its artistry.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I had to stop there. FraudRegurgitate doesn't even have entertainment value for me any longer.
???? Didn't know they were your words.
The Republican Party is dying.
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I keep watching this site, waiting for some other wise guy to present the solution in a slick, well written fashion.
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Fear and Loathing in Freeperville
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3.) Though not formally stated as policy there are 'brown shirts' - a sort of equivalent to the trusted user construct here, but they share the same murderous tendencies of their namesake. Rather than the progressive (there's that word again!) discipline of DKos' troll ratings on a post by post basis the 'final solution' is quickly applied to those who fall out of line.
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And these suckers are now so inbred, as I say so often, if Bush kicked in their door and raped their teenage daughter, they'd thank him and start naming the baby George or Georgette.
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And these suckers are now so inbred, as I say so often, if Bush kicked in their door and raped their teenage daughter, they'd thank him and start naming the baby George or Georgette.
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“Compassionate” conservatism was bad enough. Full blown liberalism will doom the party. - Jim Robinson
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red neck truck driver who can't fill out his own log book.
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In my mind a real Republican is a guy who sends his kid off to a gun fight in Iraq and then spends tremendous energy worrying that two queers on the other side of the country, who he has never met, might get married.
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A real Republican sends somebody else's kid off to the gun fight.
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Jim Robinson: Sorry, pal, but I will not be part of leading the Republican party to la la land.
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#22. To: Destro (#5)
The Crusades were similarly a defensive fight against muslim oppression.
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Ever listen to the 'midnight trucker' type radio shows.
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My goodness - Wopper of the Day Alert.
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An apparent Orthodox Christian Slavophile fanatic who condemns everything associated with Islam and who refuses to admit even the possibility that Israel was involved in the JFK assassination. I don't think that fits together.
#30. To: Destro. all former freakers here (#5)
It is the US military who spread freedom and hope around the world, it is that US military that liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last 60 years, and has preserved our freedom, our way of life and the freedom of untold millions.
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Don't take my words out of context. The Byzantine emperor asked the Pope to get him military assistance from the West against invading Turks.
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