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Title: Fear and Loathing in Freeperville
Source: Kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/6/115611/4175
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: Iowa Boy
Post Date: 2007-04-06 22:17:19 by ...
Keywords: None
Views: 314
Comments: 31

I recently returned to online activities after a ninety day 'vacation'. I decided to see some new country, so I created a Free Republic login, and what I found in the day and a half my login survived ... has interesting implications for the 2008 elections.

We've seen the 43%/43% Democratic/Republican split shift to a 50%/35% split and after just a day with the FReepers I'm sure that trend is going to continue. In fact, I think we can help it along ...

First, a little background.

I washed in here on the rising tide of the 2006 midterm elections. I'd been a registered Republican (RKBA, people, RKBA) until the 2004 election. I'm not sure if it was Swift Boater slime or the vote recounting antics in Florida, but the final straws were tree trunk thick and falling fast. I'd never liked the religious right component of the party and it was obvious where things were heading. I held my nose with one hand, my Glock with the other, and voted a straight Democratic ticket with my teeth for the 2004 election. When 2006 rolled around I'd pretty much completed my metamorphosis - ActBlue contributions every time there was an article here with a link and I volunteered a bit for Jim Esch in NE-02.

I registered on Free Republic April 4th as "Thomas Pained" and began posting. They expunged my account and postings the night of April 5th, but you can still see it with the Google's cache feature. Use this search string, include the quotes, and click the 'cache' links:

"Thomas Pained" http://site:freerepublic.com

I've been struggling with how to cut a tidy example of what I saw out of the boiling pot of FReeper spaghetti logic and after three attempts I've given up. If you're already familiar with them you know what goes on there, if you aren't I suggest you go and perform the same experiment I did; register, comment as a Libertarian Democrat(fake it if you must), and see for yourself.

As an executive summary I'll say that what one will see as purely an observer will be:

1.) The articles are consistently over the top. Extremist views, few or no outside links to support claims made, no fact checking, etc.

2.) The follow up comments are of three types: Enthusiastic supporters reinforcing or directing to related stories, one liner cheer leaders, and very rarely a short, well thought out response that runs against the community standard but appears to come from someone with a conservative/Libertarian viewpoint.

3.) Though not formally stated as policy there are 'brown shirts' - a sort of equivalent to the trusted user construct here, but they share the same murderous tendencies of their namesake. Rather than the progressive (there's that word again!) discipline of DKos' troll ratings on a post by post basis the 'final solution' is quickly applied to those who fall out of line.

None of this is news to those who visit DailyKos on the regular, but what it means is rarely covered, and I think it has big implications for 2008.

Lets sharpen this up a bit:

FreeRepublic squelches dissent. Even loyal dissent from within the ranks. This is a huge problem in human endeavors since a few control the tune and new voices, no matter what insight and energy they might bring, are not welcome. God has spoken, ya'll will get in line, just in case you hadn't picked up on where the right gets their management consulting.

FreeRepublic is hysterical. I don't mean hysterical funny, I mean hysterical, uhh, not rational. Rational people prefer rational discourse and Free Republic just can't get there. Objective truth does not support their prejudices nor the End of Days myth, so it is shut out of the discussion stream.

FreeRepublic is devotional and affirmational. I think this point, more than any other, confuses progressives. When a FReeper ignores a primary source because it disproves the initial thesis of a given thread it isn't that they're failing to think - they're there to reinforce a creed handed down by a higher power, and you'll be demonized if you try to interfere.

What does this all mean for the 2008 election?

Republican membership dropped from 43% of total voters to 35%. 8/43 is 0.186 - 18.6%% of Republicans jumped ship in time for the 2006 midterm election. That is a seismic shift in what has been a nearly even balance for the last couple of generations and it happened when the Republicans controlled Congress.

Why did those people jump ship? I believe something like 60% named corruption as the number one issue driving their change. Now that Hammerin' Hank has subpoena power I think this rich vein of angry swing voters will continue to produce new Democratic voters purely due to the side effects of a fair and balanced application of oversight. Yes, Virginia, the Republican party really is that dirty.

43% claimed the Republican party prior to 2006. 25% of all U.S. citizens are evangelical/fundamentalist Christian. I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that 100% of them were part of that 43% who were Republican.

So ... 35% claim the Republican party and 25/35 or 71% of them are religiously motivated and won't change. Fine! I want the other 29% and the 300 Democratic House and 70 Democratic Senate seats that will come from peeling the two groups apart.

Don't start planning a same sex wedding in a newly created national forest because it won't play out like that. Are you ready for a lot more blue dog type Democrats? When those districts turn from red to blue they're changing parties but they're not changing temperaments all that much. The flag, apple pie, and pregnancies that don't start until after the wedding bells stop ringing will still be the order of the day.

What do we do next?

Don't say Hillary. Or Barack. Or John. This is much bigger than the 2008 election. Neoconservatism is totally discredited. Faith based initiative bribery of Christian Right leaders will disintegrate under the attentions of a Democratic majority House. The money is going one direction, the foot soldiers another, and Free Republic's ejection of a former Republican such as myself is a proxy for what is happening all over the country in many different ways.

The Republican Party is dying.

Our Constitution was written by men with a visceral distaste for religious fanaticism. Many of those 35% of voters who still claim the Republican party are going to change anyway as the Bush administration comes under scrutiny, but many more will shift if an appropriately framed message is delivered.

I've been thinking about how to communicate this for a long time. I keep watching this site, waiting for some other wise guy to present the solution in a slick, well written fashion. That hasn't happened yet. Some time in the next week or two I'll take up my pen again and try to express how I believe this 'saving' might be accomplished.

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#5. To: ..., Peetie Wheatstraw, lodwick, orangedog, Burkeman1 (#0) (Edited)

3.) Though not formally stated as policy there are 'brown shirts' - a sort of equivalent to the trusted user construct here, but they share the same murderous tendencies of their namesake. Rather than the progressive (there's that word again!) discipline of DKos' troll ratings on a post by post basis the 'final solution' is quickly applied to those who fall out of line.

I have been banned from Freeerepublic about a dozen times give or take. My longest incarnation was that of Destro.

For kicks I signed up again as 'Longinus'.

On the thread Lessons Of 'The 300' I let the Freepernuts have it. It seems I ruined their masturbation fantasies of naked oily manly men killing Iranians. In otherwords they are using '300' as a fantasy replacement for their war desires. One or two Freeprers thanked me for my 'bravery' in stating what they feel and some did it openly on forum.

Here goes the thread - enjoy - I sure did. Focus on the military masturbating brownshirt wannabee 'jveritas' at the end.

To: RDTF It is the soldier, not the priest, who protects freedom of religion; the soldier, not the journalist, who protects freedom of speech. History teaches that a society that does not value its warriors will be destroyed by a society that does.

Jesus thinks otherwise.

A soldier can both protect and take your freedoms. Don't let a simplistic but enjoyable movie provide simplistic answers.

I hope people remember our founding fathers were distrustful of standing armies.

6 posted on 03/26/2007 6:57:14 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

Don't let a simplistic notion of Christ confuse your grip on reality. Christ was a soldier too. He did not try to "understand" or "live with" evil. He opposed it. This is the fundamental flaw in the in the "pacifist" Christ manufactured by Modern Religion. It complete ignores the basic reality of good vrs evil and the need for good to actively OPPOSE evil, not coexist with it.

14 posted on 03/26/2007 7:14:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)

To: MNJohnnie

Christ was a soldier too

Christians rose up in arms against the Roman empire that was killing them? No. Jesus warned his message would be distorted in the end times and he was correct.

Christians were not cowards - but how they fought (and should fight) was to willingly die through martyrdom WITHOUT ARMED RESISTANCE against authority. 'The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.'

Christ is not a jihadist,

21 posted on 03/26/2007 7:28:57 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

Sure, Christians rise up and physically fight for their right to worship.

In Rome, itself, eventually they did (along with a lot of other things going on at the same time).

The Crusades were similarly a defensive fight against muslim oppression.

Indeed, in modern times, the answer is frequently violent.

Christians in Sudan need new AK-47s more than they need new Bibles.

23 posted on 03/26/2007 7:32:43 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)

To: MeanWestTexan Christians NEVER rose up against the pagan Romans. That is an outright lie. Only the Catholics viewed the Crusade as a holy war - the Crusade was against Christian teaching even f justified from a secular point of view - i.e. the Roman Emperor at Constantinople requesting military aid against the Turks from Western Europe via the Pope. The emperor never requested a holy war or imparted a religious dimension to his request for military assistance. In fact Eastern Christianity was horrified at the notion of holy war like Crusade and insisted that the knights came to fight as soldiers sworn to the emperor, not to Christ.

28 posted on 03/26/2007 7:48:10 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

Were the Republicans who voted AGAINST the Kosovo war pacifists? Unlike the Iraq war Clinton fought that war without Congressional authorization - it was against the US Constitution, NATO's and the UN's charter. An illegal war through and through by any criteria. So if you were against the Kosovo war were you a bleeding heart lefty?

Maybe we need more complexity in our thoughts rather than simplicity? Not so much that we become like Hamlet the Dane but not too little that we are like Homer the Simpson.

34 posted on 03/26/2007 7:59:20 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus I see you just joined FR. You aren't one of those islamist sympathizers we have been warned about joining various web site to try and sway opinions on muslims and the war, are you?

50 posted on 03/26/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)

To: Androcles I loved '300' - I want to see it again - what bothers me is people using this movie to somehow justify a point of view they hold against a different enemy on top of that. I wonder if they made a movie of Sparta vs Thebes - who would they root for? I will root for Thebes since she freed the helots.

86 posted on 03/26/2007 8:57:24 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: webstersII; Longinus Cite a Biblical source for that. Martyrdom does not forgive sins. I've asked this noobie twice already for his Biblical source and he just keeps piling on with his opinions. He's a troll trying to stir up trouble.

120 posted on 03/26/2007 11:04:52 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)

To: webstersII; subterfuge He's a troll trying to stir up trouble. What trouble? Disagreeing about a movie based on a comic book? Or disagreeing about martyrdom leads to heaven? Are you some sort of brain washed Jones Town types that freak out that others may have opinions - non political opinions even - different from yours?

That is '1984' like thinking by you.

128 posted on 03/26/2007 11:55:05 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus Quite a few here are nothing but loud mouthed nobodies....and they know it. So, they pick one on technicality and make it their holy-grail. They make themselves a martyr to be applauded by others who post in their defense. It's sick.

151 posted on 03/26/2007 1:03:08 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))

To: USMMA_83 I sadly agree. I have been called Newbie several times by such small minded people because I dared call them on their facts or opinion - how dare I! Like it's highschool and I have to sit at the freshman table. I hate cliques and I hate group think. I am frankly shocked I am encountering group think on what is a conservative forum. I though we would be free thinkers in here.

152 posted on 03/26/2007 1:18:49 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus I am frankly shocked I am encountering group think on what is a conservative forum. I though we would be free thinkers in here.

Well then show a little humility and thoughtfulness yourself. You pontificate as if you're the end-all to the discussion. No disrespect to you if you're legit, but when a new poster shows up and so adamantly expresses a view counter to a lot of us, we're suspicuous. If I'm wrong and you're not a subversive (there are many on the forum) then I apologize. With all due respect, I suggest you just move on to another thread if you haven't already.

Happy Freeping.

157 posted on 03/26/2007 1:36:59 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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To: subterfuge No disrespect to you if you're legit, but when a new poster shows up and so adamantly expresses a view counter to a lot of us, we're suspicuous. What? It was counter to you - not a lot of you - and it did not involve politics in any way - but a discussion of history. I have no way to respond back to that - I assume having a strong opinion and having a chess match of ideas would be fun for most on here. If I'm wrong and you're not a subversive (there are many on the forum) then I apologize.

Subversive? What next - will I be called a counter revolutionary? See my remark about group think.

158 posted on 03/26/2007 1:48:36 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus What an idiotic statement [I hope people remember our founding fathers were distrustful of standing armies. .] It is the US military who spread freedom and hope around the world, it is that US military that liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last 60 years, and has preserved our freedom, our way of life and the freedom of untold millions.

PS: Your time on FR will be short.

162 posted on 03/26/2007 1:56:21 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

To: jveritas "That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies in time of peace should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power." -George Mason, Article 13 of the Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776. "Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." -Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower and former General of the Army. Not a founding father but a great Republican president.

If my time here is short its is a shame yours was long seeing as you lack any first hand knowledge of the Founding Father's thoughts.

164 posted on 03/26/2007 2:10:31 PM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus Go away troll. Tonight kneel down and give prayers for all the troops of past who fought for our freedom and our way of life and pray for the troops of the present who are doing the same. Shame on you.

169 posted on 03/26/2007 8:59:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

To: jveritas you go away - in all your posts you threaten other posters to leave because they offended your narrow world view. By the way did you hate the GOP for voting against the Kosovo war...

170 posted on 03/27/2007 5:15:57 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus Listen idiot troll. Clinton went to the war in Kosovo alone with no Congress approval. In fact the Senate did not even consider voting on a bill to declare the war against Kosovo.

171 posted on 03/27/2007 6:00:33 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

To: jveritas So you did not support the troops then? I mean we did liberate Kosovo for Muslim jihadis over their evil Christian rulers. So is that the liberation force you were talking about?

172 posted on 03/27/2007 7:18:20 AM PDT by Longinus ("Whom did it benefit". (Cui Bono Fuerit) Longinus Cassius Roman conspirator & general (? - 42 BC))

To: Longinus Listen idiot: I did support the troops in any war they fight and I support their mission as well no matter what. You should do the same. Also the mission in Kosovo was not to support muslim terrorists as you said in this lie post of yours. Stop lying and go away. What is you previous freeper name before you got banned, tell me coward.

174 posted on 03/27/2007 7:53:44 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

To: RDTF He is still breathing and causing trouble. He is either a troll or a retread.

175 posted on 03/27/2007 7:54:55 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

To: Admin Moderator

We have a newbie troublemaker on Free Republic, bent on antagonizing everyone here and shaking up our harmonious existence.

179 posted on 03/27/2007 8:25:21 AM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro)

LOL!!! bent on antagonizing everyone here and shaking up our harmonious existence. Where did I hear thinking like that before? Oh, yes! Information about Communisim in the Columbia Encyclopedia®. ... Ultimately there would develop a harmonious classless society

To: jveritas He was suspended :) Carry on

182 posted on 03/27/2007 10:45:04 AM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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To: RDTF Finally :)

183 posted on 03/27/2007 11:31:20 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)

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#22. To: Destro (#5)

The Crusades were similarly a defensive fight against muslim oppression.

My goodness - Wopper of the Day Alert.

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#30. To: Destro. all former freakers here (#5)

It is the US military who spread freedom and hope around the world, it is that US military that liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last 60 years, and has preserved our freedom, our way of life and the freedom of untold millions.

I had to stop there.

FraudRegurgitate doesn't even have entertainment value for me any longer.

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