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Title: Conservatives Love to Fantasize About Their Own Persecution and Subversiveness
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URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/6/211121/9816
Published: Apr 6, 2007
Author: EmperorHadrian
Post Date: 2007-04-06 22:48:45 by ...
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I was watching Scarborough Country on MSNBC the other day. He seemed to suggest that he thinks Christians are being persecuted. That got me thinking about a larger issue. Why is it that conservatives love to revel in fantasies of their own marginality and persecution? Why is it they have these persecution fantasies? You don't just notice this with the religious right. You notice this amongst all varieties of social conservative. "Christians" think they are being persecuted by evil secularists who run everything from Wal-Mart to the courts. People who oppose gay rights think they are continuously looked down upon, and their views are constantly under assault by, the "gay agenda." So I must ask this question: why is it conservatives love to play victims, and fantasize about being persecuted? One thing that is interesting about the conservative persecution fantasy is that it is remarkably similar to leftist persecution fantasies during the early 20th century. Conservative complaints about an effete overclass, which the common middle American man can never defeat is remarkably similar to Marxist beliefs of the 1920s and 1930s, that the common man was caught in a machine run by the elite capitalists. Complaints by people like Rush Limbaugh, that the "liberal elite" is running and ruining everything are remarkably similar to Marxist complaints about how evil capitalists were doing the same thing. One way to answer the question about the right-wing persecution complex is to look at where most conservatives are on the ideological spectrum. Any democrat who might be viewed as "far left" (such as Denis Kucinich) isn't a fraction as far to the left as people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tom DeLay or Dick Cheney are to the right. People on the extreme of either end of the ideological spectrum are ideologues. Since most conservatives are so far to the right, many of them are ideologues. Ideologues are uninterested in fact or reason. They are convinced that they are always right about everything. Thus no one can convince them they are wrong about anything or reason with them. If you knew the absolute truth about everything, why would you let someone use facts or anything else to convince you that you don't know the absolute truth about everything? Since conservatives are ideologues, it appears that part of their ideology is that they are constantly being persecuted by an overclass that looks down on them. The overcalass that they believe is perseucting them is what they call the "liberal elite." Much like Emmanuel Goldstien in George Orwell's book "Nineteen-Eightyfour," this elite overclass deosn't actually exist. It isn't the ACLU that forces Wal-Mart clerks to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas," it is the management of Wal-Mart, who sees "Happy Holidays" as being more neutral in our pluralistic society. It isn't the "Hollywood elite" who continuesly pushes every form of social deviance through movies and television, it is the economic conservatives who run Hollywood. Hollywood and Wal-Mart are both commercial enterprises, run by economic conservatives. The same can be said about everything from the media to corporate policies regarding equal employment for gays. Becuase conservatives are ideologues, we can never convince them that they aren't being persecuted. Thus, we cannot reason with these conservatives on this issue, just like we can't reason with Bush on the escalation in Iraq, or that Saddam wasn't actually behind 9/11, or that WMDs were not actually found in Iraq. They are both convinced that they know the absolute truth. One of the more ridiculous of the persecution fantasies is the idea that somehow Christians are being persecuted. Now by "Christians," typically we mean Evangelicals. Evangelicals routinely use the term "Christian" interchangeably with the term "Evangelical." Except for a few fundamentalist Catholics, few Catholics and few mainline protestants claim to be persecuted. And few of these people use the term "Christian" to be interchangeable with their denomination. What makes the claim that "Christians" are persecuted so ridiculous is that 85% of all Americans are Christians. Wal-Mart isn't run by atheists. The courts aren't full of atheists. One toy the religious right loves is when some companies tell their employees to saw "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" to customers. The religious right sees this as a great assault on "Christians." Never mind that the decision to have employees say this (usually the companies don't care which one their employees use anyway) has a marketing and public relations rationale. It isn't because atheists run corporate America and hate "Christians." We saw another example of this religious right persecution fantasy with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore and his Ten Commandments monument. Make no mistkae, Moore put this monument outside of the Alabama Courthouse deliberately to draw a lawsuit from the ACLU. And the only possible outcome of such a lawsuit would be that a federal court orders Moore to remove the monument. And then he tried to turn himself into a "martyr" by refusing to abide by the orders of the federal court, which costed him his job. Another area where the right-wing loves to play the victim is with gay rights. They love to act as though gays demanding equal rights is an assault on their "values" and actually the demand for greater rights than everyone else by the "homosexual agenda." They claim to be persecuted by the "homosexual agenda" when, in something typical of a right-wing claim, the exact opposite is true. It is the right-wing who is persecuting gays, not the other way around. This again goes to an interesting point in these right-wing claims, regardless of if they are about gay-rights, religion, or whatever: that these people who claim to be persecuted are actually part of a majority group. Typically it has been minorities (or sometimes majority groups that have been disenfranchised and thus had been politically powerless for generations) that have been persecuted. You can't have congress persecute the majority, when the majority is what elects congress. Another area you see these ludicrous arguments are in relation to the media. Conservatives claim they are victims of "liberal bias" in the media. In reality, the media (whether its CBS, ABC, NBC, the Washington Post, the New York Times, or whoever) is not biased. Reality has a liberal bias. The MSM is biased only so far as it is biased towards reality. Since conservative claims typically don't come from fact or reality, and yet what the MSM reports on does come from fact and reality, conservatives claim liberal bias. This is a useful mechanism, because it allows them to dismiss all negative stories about them as being the products of bias. Again, in a manner you find throughout conservative claims, what they claim is actually the exact opposite of what is true. It isn't the MSM that is biased, and the "conservative media" that is "fair and balanced" and presents "the conservative side of the story." The conservative media doesn't just present the conservative side of the story, it does exactly what conservatives accuse the MSM of doing: it distorts facts, makes up reality, exists solely for the benefit of a single political party, and filters everything through a partisan and ideological lens. Thomas Frank talks about this conservative persecution fantasy in his book, "What's the Matter with Kansas?" His convincingly argues that these persecution fantasies are generated by the (decidedly not persecuted) economic conservatives who run the republican party. They use these fantasies to stroke the anger and indignation of social conservatives. They make those social conservatives feel helpless and like victims. The enemy, they are told, is the Frenchified "liberal elite," who looks down its nose at these "regular people" in "middle America." It is this persecution complex that the social conservatives end up with, that caused them to continue electing republicans. It doesn't matter that, when in office, those same republicans pass laws that screw the social conservatives economicly. It doesn't matter that these republicans deregulate, deunionize, keep wages low, outsource jobs, keep college expensive and keep healthcare unaffordable. Not only that, but the republicans in power ignore the demands of the social conservatives. Abortion is never outlawed, school praryer never returns, gay rights are never rolled back. The social conservatives don't care because every two years they are again told about the evils of gay marriage and abortion, and how democrats have Christianity and love killing babies. The fiscal conservatives running for office make the social conservatives feel like perseucted victims. And because of that, the social conservatives return to the ballot box again and again, to proudly reelect their republican masters.
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#54. To: Diana (#52)
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Oh- I forgot- you are Turk hater and Greek uber nationalist. How sad. Everyone has their little "ism" when you come down to it- with their moron simplifications. Most people need them to give themselves some sort of direction in life rather than themselves. Herd instinct.
I would not put it that way. But I don't see why I should respect Turkey when it is a country that lives along the lines what you claim the reichwingers crave minus the religious zeal. Worship of the military, laws against violating national honor, etc. Turkey is a primo example of a statist state. So I may be a Turk hater or not but if you claim to stand for what you stand how can you be anything but a Turk hater? And note being a Turk hater does not mean I want the USA to invade Turkey. Not fund those barbarians with my tax money? Hell yes - invade? No. I was no fan of Saddam either but do you see me cheering his downfall?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Because I don't hate Turks because of their government. Let's leave it alone- you are pretty irrational and stupid when it comes to this topic. Turks suck- I know- blah blah. Russia rules. Ukraine is awesome. whatever.
Turks have been this way before their govt. Were the Huns bad or did Atilla's rule make them bad? Do you know how many Kurds the Turks have killed? Three times as many as they claim Saddam killed. So you tell me how am I to view Turkey? Not get involved? All for it - cut off all US funding for Turkey (and every country on the planet) and don't sell them arms. By the way - "Ukraine is awesome" Since when have I ever said that? Russia does not rule - I hope it does one day.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Like I said- great simplifications. I am not interested in what I am sure is your copious number of idiotic links that prove how evil the Turks are. Hating turks is your gig- reveling in your own greek (and slavic) fart stink- is your bag. I get it. I know lots of people like you- love to roll around in their "Irish idenity" and get all up into that bullshit. Same crap as any "ism"- same lies- same idiotic group herd think. Just another form of collectivism in my book- and an old way for elites to rally dopes to die for their narrow interests. You "hope" Russia "rules?" Why? Oh- that's right- they are so awesome and all. Yawn.
On a personal level, when I visited Istanbul, I thought it was a slice of Heaven - so much history and the Turks rocked, far more open and friendly to Westerners than EU Greece and its heralded islands ( tourist traps many of them that offset their physical beauty). However, this was just an aside - I think I jumbled the ship that sank off the Greek islands with this thread about - oops, I forget - it's Friday night! hey and we're still alive despite the red terror high alert - pass the wine, we may not live to see tomorrow according to Comrade Jerkoff...
I really have no personal experience with Turks or Greeks for that matter. I am sure there are great things about each country and things that suck about them. I am not trying to say I am some PC guy who goes around smelling out "Racists". But I don't- by any means believe my shit don't stink and that any group of people are collectively evil or the culture totally worthless. I may not like certain cultures. I may even think them damn weird. But I am not going to "hate" them. And I especially am not going to hate anyone based on some petty wars or policies of past governments that cabals of statists carried out. I don't hate English people for the past acts of cabals of statists against Ireland. I further don't hate them because I don't even live there- I live 3000 miles away from that country and have even less of real reason to "hate" an Englishman. I find it beyond moronic to bump into these uber Irish nationalists whose families have been in this country for 4 generations- going off about the evil Enlgish and whining about shit 150 years old. And the only thing "Irish" about these clowns is usually a cladaugh ring and they get stupid drunk on St Patty's day wearing a green turtle neck. Its embarassing. It gets even more embarassing when they bump into an Irishman from Ireland and they assume that they have the same hangups about Enlgand-- Usually they get stares like "What the fuck are you talking about?"
Ditto - I could not have said it better.
You mistake my aversion for culture with a hatred of people on a racial or ethnic level. Turkey's culture emerged from the Asiatic steppes - it is a culture which wwill have the man welcome you to his tent and treat you like family but when he sees you a few weeks later while he and his clansmen are raiding will cut your head off and make a drinking cup of it.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I hope you didn't get to close to the apes when studying them in their tents. Remember what happened to Dian Fossey.
Greeks say the same thing about Turkish tourist hospitality so I can't say you are wrong. I think Greeks being much more wealthy these days don't really run to get that extra tourist euro like a Turk has to. Also some Greeks hate Americans and Western Europeans in such a way that they just can't stand the sight of them. I think the Greeks have developed a culture dating back to antiquity where if you conquer them but leave them alone they won't hate you but get involved in their business - even if for their own good and they will unite in hatred against you. Persians ruled the Ionian Greeks until they started to get involved in local affairs and the Greeks revolted. Romans were butchered by the same Ionian Greeks in the uprising by Mithridates - but mainland Greeks saw few uprising against Rome because Rome allowed them a wide degree of local autonomy. The Turks also left the Greeks alone for a few centuries until the Ottomans started to get corrupt (more so than usual) and demand more taxes from their Greeks and the Greeks went to war for independence. Italy asked for military access through Greece in WW2 and Greece went to war with them. The West - especially America - rides over the Balkans regions these days including backing dictatorship on the Greeks to get them to behave and that makes the Greeks go ballistic against the Americans.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I had to look up who Dian Fossey was so I don't get the allusion.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Well, obviously if their families had had any real problem with the English, they'd have already fled here and not be still living over there. He was probably a descendent of traitorous cowardly quisling English-boot-licking scum. ;^)
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Anyone who talks about turks drinking blood from skulls wouldn't.
Quite.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Whole-page picture from the biggest American weekly LIFE Magazine. This "Picture of the Week" shows a beautiful blonde, 20 year old Natalie Nickerson from Phoenix, Arizona. She sits by her desk with pen in hand, dreamingly contemplating the skull of a killed Japanese that was sent to her by her American Navy lieutenant boyfriend. The text reads: "Arizona war worker writes her Navy boyfriend a thank-you note for the Jap skull he sent her. When he said goodby two years ago to Natalie Nickerson, 20 a war worker of Phoenix, Ariz., a big, handsome Navy lieutenant promised her a Jap. Last week Natalie received a human skull, autographed by her lieutenant and 13 friends, and inscribed: "This is a good Jap - a dead one picked up on the New Guinea beach." Natalie, surprised at the gift, named it Tojo. The armed forces disapprove strongly of this sort of thing." United States: "We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls" "Japanese skulls were much-envied trophies among U.S. Marines in the Pacific theater during World War II. The practice of collecting them apparently began after the bloody conflict on Guadalcanal, when the troops set up the skulls as ornaments or totems atop poles as a type of warning. The Marines boiled the skulls and then used lye to remove any residual flesh so they would be suitable as souvenirs. U.S. sailors cleaned their trophy skulls by putting them in nets and dragging them behind their vessels. Winfield Townley Scott wrote a wartime poem, 'The U.S. Sailor with the Japanese Skull" that detailed the entire technique of preserving the headskull as a souvenir. In 1943 Life magazine published the picture of a U.S. sailor's girlfriend contemplating a Japanese skull sent to her as a gift - with a note written on the top of the skull. Referring to this practice, Edward L. Jones, a U.S. war correspondent in the Pacific wrote in the February 1946 Atlantic Magazine, "We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter-openers." On occasion, these "Japanese trophy skulls" have confused police when they have turned up during murder investigations. It has been reported that when the remains of Japanese soldiers were repatriated from the Mariana Islands in 1984, sixty percent were missing their skulls."
United States: "We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls" "Japanese skulls were much-envied trophies among U.S. Marines in the Pacific theater during World War II. Oh my Lord. That is grisly. I've never heard of this before. Sick, sick stuff. No branch of the human family is above animalistic barbarism, no matter how "civilized" we may seem on the surface. Point made. Point taken.
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Greeks agree with you that Turks and Americans are barbarians. One and the same in their barbarities.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Sigh- ok- whatever.
Hmmm....Are the Greeks above such barbarities? I wonder... From this website: "When will the Greek State apologize to the Macedonian people for its 1912- 1913 genocide in Northern Greece?" "Ethnic cleansing" may be a modern term but its meaning is well understood by the Macedonian people living in northern Greece. Ever since Greece took possession of Macedonia, in the early 20th century, Macedonian people have experienced first hand ethnic cleansing. This series of articles will present evidence of atrocities perpetrated by the Greek State against the innocent Macedonian civilian populations prior to, during and after the Balkan wars.
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Bodies of WWII Marines killed for rapes found in Okinawa NAHA, Japan, April 26 Kyodo Three sets of human remains discovered in an Okinawan cave have been identified as belonging to U.S. Marines apparently killed by residents and Japanese soldiers at the end of World War II in retaliation for the rape of local women, sources familiar with the case said Wednesday. The bones of the three servicemen, which were concealed in a cave in Nago for nearly 55 years, were returned to family members in the United States earlier this month, the sources said. Local residents said the killings occurred in August 1945, following the Battle of Okinawa and immediately before the end of the Pacific War. Several residents and Imperial Japanese Army soldiers reportedly killed the Americans in retaliation for a large number of rapes committed in the area by U.S. servicemen. The bodies were then dumped in the cave, known to locals as Kurombogama.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Macedonians are Greeks - these people are Bulgarians who live in the geographic region of Macedonia - these atrocities were created by Tito's communists as a way to justify the cross border wars the Greeks and Communist rebels were fighting at that time. The reason is that these tales only came out in the late 40s and early 50s while what was done to the Armenians was known to the world in real time. You guys ob here need to develop analytical skills. This will make the internet surfing more fruitful and will allow you to be educated on the information you read for the first time. In August 1903 a mass armed uprising, known in history as the Ilinden- Preobrajenie, broke out in Macedonia and Thrace. After three months of fierce battles the Turkish army crushed the uprising using much cruelty against the civilian population. What was done to the people there by the Turks was then shifted on to whoever was the enemy of the day by the Communist authorities. A little knowledge in the brains of Americans is a dangerous thing.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Here's one letter from a Greek describing what they did (found here): Mr. Sotir Panaionnou, in the village of Vitziano, parish lthicou Tricala de Thessalie. River Nesto, 12th July, 1913. Here at Vrondu (Brodi) I took five Bulgarians [Macedonians associated with the Exarchate Church] and a girl from Serres. We shut them up in a prison and kept them there. The girl was killed and the Bulgarians [Macedonians associated with the Exarchate Church]also suffered. We picked out their eyes while they were still alive. Yours affectionately: COSTI.
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Like they needed a reason.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Proved long ago to be hoaxes. War propaganda originating from the Bulgarians or do you also think that the German 'Huns' bayoneted Belgian babies for fun in WW1? Americans attempting to understand history would be amusing if it was not dangerous.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Is it your contention that through the bloodletting in the Balkans, the Greeks never committed barbarities but always were above reproach. That sounds more propagandistic to me than this a personal letter by one soldier reporting back home the things he's seen and done. Your claim posits that the Greeks by virtue of being Greeks (or Orthodox) are somehow untouched by human frailty and weakness (highly implausable), while the letter only implies that some Greek soldiers were as afflicted as the rest of humanity (not surprising at all).
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Nope - but the ones you mentioned come from flasified reports.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
See the source? From the enemy of the Greeks who "found" the letters on captured Greeks and then released them to the world to prove the Greeks are bad and the Bulgarian cause justified - obvious forgeries. See the pictures of the Japanese skull and beheaded Armenians? Pictures not distributed by Japan against America but by Americans for Americans and the Armenian photos were taken by German allies of the Turks in WW1. See the difference in the origins of the evidence?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
A poser trying to sound like a Greek patriot who hates the United States and its people would be amusing if it were not for the fact that you're living in the United States and not the country you're supposedly so proud of. Not that I blame you. Greece is a backwater shithole whose greatness died out thousands of years ago but whose people are too stupid to realize. Don't fret though. With a lot of hard work, the people of your fabled country may one day be worthy enough to lick the sweat off of the balls of an American. For now though, they'll have to stick with having sex with their goats.
From H istoryofMacedonia.org: The Greek Atrocities in Aegean Macedonia 1. On June 21, 22, and 23, 1913, the Greek army completely burned to the ground the city of Kukush (today Kilkis), known for its resistance against Hellenism in the XIX century and the birthplace of Gotse Delchev. 2. Between June 29 and 25, 39 villages in the Kukush area were also burned down. 3. On June 23 and 24, the city of Serres (today Serrai) was set on fire where 4000 houses perished. In the Serres gymnasium the Greeks murdered about 200 people. 4. During these days the larger portion of Strumica was also destroyed by the Greek army. 5. Between June 23 and 30, many villages in the Drama and Serres districts were burned down. 6. From June 27 to July 6 all Macedonian quarts of Salonika were set on fire. The Carnegie Commission composed of members from USA, Germany, Russia, France, Austria, and England, witnessed the Greek atrocities when visited Aegean Macedonia. Their final conclusion was that the Greek army has burned to the ground 170 villages with over 17,000 houses. Since 1913, official Greece has been trying to banish native Macedonian names of villages, towns, cities, rivers, and lakes in Aegean Macedonia. For example, the little stream which issues from Mount Olympus and flows into the Aegean Sea is labeled Mavroneri ("black water") on the maps made by Greek cartographers after 1913. However, the same river appears as Crna Reka, a native Macedonian name meaning "black river" on the maps made before 1913. Kukush has been dropped for Kilkis and Serres for Serai, together with at least 300 other places all over Macedonia.
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The website is from the Greek's rivals not an unbiased source. That you don't know this is reason enough Americans should not be involved in the world. Stay home, Americans. Eat Big Mac's and get fat and be happy. You don't understand the world around you.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I live in both in Europe and the USA. How do you like the way Iraqis are licking your balls?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
How do you like the way Iraqis are licking your balls? Why would you stoop to live in the US at all if you hate it so much? Maybe it's because you can't make any money in the shithole you call home? Or maybe you like to go to your villa and pretend that you have something in common with the common Greek citizen beside hating America. Whatever the reason, it must suck living in a country that you hate so much but not having either the integrity or guts to disassociate yourself from that country. As for the Iraqi's, I'm not a supporter of the war and I never have been.
Greece quit being worthy of learning anything about several millenia ago. Nowadays it's just one more country in the world. There is no reason to know anything about it.
LOL, you won a 50 cent off hamburger coupon.
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
The gift that keeps on giving. When will you Americans stop ripping the Greeks off? What is America's contribution to the world today? The murder capital of the Western world? The land that invades other countries for profit? When America's murder level per capita matches that of any European country let me know.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Mercury Cyclone Anything else bothering you boyo?
"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar
And yet as bad as it is, you refuse to leave. Why is that? Is it because as bad as it is you cannot find anyplace better?
Goody. Hopefully it's a Big Mac. That way I can live up to Destro's expectations.
Dyer said he would have used his machine guns if he could have got them into the enclosure, but these were mounted on armoured cars. He said he did not stop firing when the crowd began to disperse because he thought it was his duty to keep firing until the crowd dispersed, and that a little firing would do no good.
#55. To: Destro (#53)
#56. To: Burkeman1 (#55)
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Oh- I forgot- you are Turk hater and Greek uber nationalist.
#57. To: Destro (#56)
#58. To: Burkeman1 (#57)
Because I don't hate Turks because of their government
#59. To: Destro (#58)
#60. To: Burkeman1, Destro, robin (#57)
#61. To: scrapper2 (#60)
#62. To: Burkeman1 (#61)
But I don't- by any means believe my shit don't stink and that any group of people are collectively evil or the culture totally worthless. I may not like certain cultures. I may even think them damn weird. But I am not going to "hate" them. And I especially am not going to hate anyone based on some petty wars or policies of past governments that cabals of statists carried out.
#63. To: Burkeman1, scrapper2 (#61)
I am not trying to say I am some PC guy who goes around smelling out "Racists".
#64. To: Destro (#63)
#65. To: scrapper2, Burkeman1 (#60)
On a personal level, when I visited Istanbul, I thought it was a slice of Heaven - so much history and the Turks rocked, far more open and friendly to Westerners than EU Greece and its heralded islands ( tourist traps many of them that offset their physical beauty).
#66. To: Burkeman1 (#64)
#67. To: Burkeman1 (#61)
It gets even more embarassing when they bump into an Irishman from Ireland and they assume that they have the same hangups about England-- Usually they get stares like "What the fuck are you talking about?"
#68. To: Destro (#66)
I don't get the allusion.
#69. To: Arator (#67)
He was probably a descendent of traitorous cowardly quisling English-boot-licking scum.
#70. To: Burkeman1 (#68)
Anyone who talks about turks drinking blood from skulls wouldn't.
Armenian heads as trophies photographed by a German Officer in Turkey.
#71. To: Destro (#70)
#72. To: Burkeman1, Destro (#71)
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"Arizona war worker writes her Navy boyfriend a thank-you note for the Jap skull he sent her. When he said goodby two years ago to Natalie Nickerson, 20 a war worker of Phoenix, Ariz., a big, handsome Navy lieutenant promised her a Jap. Last week Natalie received a human skull, autographed by her lieutenant and 13 friends, and inscribed: "This is a good Jap - a dead one picked up on the New Guinea beach." Natalie, surprised at the gift, named it Tojo. The armed forces disapprove strongly of this sort of thing."
#73. To: Burkeman1, Arator (#71)
(Edited)
United States: "We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls" "Japanese skulls were much-envied trophies among U.S. Marines in the Pacific theater during World War II.
#74. To: Destro (#73)
#75. To: Destro (#73)
#76. To: Burkeman1, Arator (#74)
Sigh- ok- whatever.
#77. To: Arator (#75)
(Edited)
#78. To: Destro (#77)
#79. To: Destro (#76)
Several residents and Imperial Japanese Army soldiers reportedly killed the Americans in retaliation
#80. To: Arator (#78)
(Edited)
Here's one letter from a Greek describing what they did (found here):
#81. To: Destro (#80)
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#82. To: Arator (#81)
Is it your contention that through the bloodletting in the Balkans, the Greeks never committed barbarities but always were above reproach.
#83. To: Arator (#82)
(Edited)
That sounds more propagandistic to me than this a personal letter by one soldier reporting back home the things he's seen and done.
#84. To: Destro (#80)
Americans attempting to understand history would be amusing if it was not dangerous.
#85. To: Destro (#83)
#86. To: Arator (#85)
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H http://istoryofMacedonia.org:
#87. To: Hayek Fan (#84)
Don't fret though. With a lot of hard work, the people of your fabled country may one day be worthy enough to lick the sweat off of the balls of an American.
#88. To: Destro (#87)
I live in both in Europe and the USA.
#89. To: Destro, Arator (#86)
(Edited)
That you don't know this is reason enough Americans should not be involved in the world.
#90. To: Hayek Fan (#89)
Greece quit being worthy of learning anything about several millenia ago. Nowadays it's just one more country in the world. There is no reason to know anything about it.
#91. To: Hayek Fan, Dakmar (#89)
Greece quit being worthy of learning anything about several millenia ago.
#92. To: Destro (#91)
What is America's contribution to the world today?
#93. To: Destro (#91)
When will you Americans stop ripping the Greeks off? What is America's contribution to the world today? The murder capital of the Western world? The land that invades other countries for profit? When America's murder level per capita matches that of any European country let me know.
#94. To: Dakmar (#90)
LOL, you won a 50 cent off hamburger coupon.
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