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Title: 9/11 Pentagon Explosion:9:45 AM
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_g1buWhAA
Published: Apr 9, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-04-09 19:31:02 by honway
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#5. To: honway (#0)
That video appears to show an explosion some time after the initial attack, whatever it was. There is a great video by pilots for truth which examines the flight data info, and suggests that the airplane did not hit the Pentagon. It suggests that a winged missile was dropped by the large aircraft, which never got below about 300-400 feet.
How big were those wings, Paul? A hundred feet from tip to tip? Because something knocked down lightpoles spaced that far apart at least. And something created a plane shaped hole in the Pentagon about 90 feet across. Those missile wings must have been made of unobtainium to do that. ROTFLOL!
Um... I don't remember seeing a plane shaped hole in the pentagon. I remember seeing a round hole, but not a plane shaped hole, because had there BEEN wings on the thing over 100 feet from tip to tip, There would have been much more lateral structural damage to the outer exterior of the building. Not to mention an absence of plane parts on the lawn at the time of the explosion, or how pristine the ground was all the way up to the Pentagon. A PLANE THAT SIZE, IN ORDER TO HIT THE PENTAGON AS LOW AS IT DID, WOULD HAVE DESTROYED A GOOD 300 yards of lawn on the way up. How do I know? A private firm asked me to make a scale model of the plane in question for their research, and with everything to scale, the engines would have drug the ground in order for the fuselage to hit as low as it did. Please, if you will, explain to me that little factoid.
Then you'd better take a look at post #42, Tommy. And there are plenty of more pictures where those came from. They show what is clearly a plane shaped hole in what was a reinforced outer wall. The hole is clearly on the order of 80 to 90 feet wide. And there is damage on both sides of the outer face beyond that ... out to where one would expect given the size of Flight 77. Now mind you, experts do not suggest that those portions of the wings and tail that contained no fuel penetrated the building. It is the mass of that fuel that allowed that to happen. Here's a few links you might want to visit if you really want to know the facts about the damage: http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/smallhole.html http://911review.com/articles/stjarna/eximpactdamage.html You've only looked at a photo taken from the direction that the plane came. Why, with a basic understanding of physics, would you expect debris to bounce back along a roughly 45 degree trajectory relative to the face of the structure in the direction the plane came from at hundreds of miles an hour? Basic physics tells you that any debris should continue in the direction the plane was moving after bouncing off the wall (like a pool ball striking a pool table wall at an angle that's not 90 degrees). And if you look down range of the impact site, you find plenty of debris in the photos. Here are a couple: and A PLANE THAT SIZE, IN ORDER TO HIT THE PENTAGON AS LOW AS IT DID, WOULD HAVE DESTROYED A GOOD 300 yards of lawn on the way up. No, if you compare the dimensions of the plane (and remember, the landing gear were up) to the size of the hole, you will see that the plane easily fits in that hole without the engine touching the ground. Now the engine did apparently hit the construction generator that was some distance in front of the building. You don't know what you are talking about, Tommy. Here is a drawing of a 757 with dimensions. The diameter of the fuselage is about 13 feet. The engines appear to extend 4 to 5 feet below the bottom edge of the fuselage. So the distance from the center of the fuselage (which is actually above the nose of the aircraft) to the bottom of the engines would be at most 12 feet. Just as a check on the above, here's a site that looks at the dimensions of the Pentagon hole and 757 in detail. http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/pentahole_dimensions_est.htm It states that the distance from the "Top of the fuselage to bottom engines. (landing gear was up)" is 17.7 feet According to that site, the width of the fuselage is 12.5 feet. Take 6.25 feet from 17.7 feet and you get about 11.5 feet from the center of the fuselage to the bottom of the engines. Now let's look at the hole in the structure. Turns out it is 20-25 feet from the top of the central hole to the ground. Notice that the top of the holes on each side of the main hole are about midway down ... say 10-13 feet. What does that tell you? Here's another drawing of a 757 from what I would assume a good source. Now if those drawings are to scale, then the tail sticks up about as much above the top of the fuselage as the top fuselage is above the ground. This photo of a 757 would seem to confirm that: So if the top of the tail is 44 feet above the ground, then the top of the fuselage, with the wheels on the ground can only be about 22 feet. Now, look at the drawing again. The top of the wing is about 40% of the way down from the top of the fuselage (again confirmed by the photo). Thus, the top of the wing must be about 12 to 13 above the ground, with the wheels extended. In other words, even with the wheels extended below the engines, the top of the wing would still be at about the top of the damage that REAL experts say is caused by the wings. And the wheels weren't down that day according to eyewitnesses. And from a link I provide earlier (http://911review.com/articles/stjarna/eximpactdamage.html ) is this, Tommy. ******** "The following graphic from the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report (2003: 20), shows schematically what the orientation of the plane to the building would have been like when the nose made impact (before the wings reached the facade)." ******** So you don't know what you are talking about. You really need to take a look at this: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html "In this essay I asked what conclusions about the Pentagon attack were supported by physical evidence -- primarily post-crash photographs of the site. I found that, in every aspect I considered, this evidence comports with the crash of a Boeing 757."
The pictures of the hole that I have seen, are a LOT lower than the CG picture you have posted. In fact, the pictures I have seen, show the hole being right at ground level. The engines extend roughly 5 feet lower than the fuselage. For it to have flown that low, knocking down the various light poles, and remained at ground level, it would have dug ruts into the lawn, which it did not. For the official story to work, the plane would have had to have come in at roughly a 30 degree angle, and struck nose first at a downward trajectory, as opposed to the near belly landing that is shown in all of the pictures that endorse the government story. The funny thing about how it would have had to have hit the building, is that there would have been MUCH MORE damage done to not only the exterior, but the upper portions of the building prior to the collapse of the structure. But hey, don't let me confuse you with any kind of reality check, you just go ahead and keep on telling your stories.
By all means ... post your pictures. I bet you don't. Because you are wrong. Wouldn't the light poles be knocked down if a wing or engine clipped one near the top? That's what eyewitnesses say happened. And how high are those lightpoles, Tommy. Certainly more than a few feet. Why? That's not what the damage to the lightpoles, generator, fence and structure say. That's not what the vast majority of the eyewitnesses say happened. You are just making up a number, Tommy. Why not say 90 degrees. It would be just as valid. So go on, Tommy ... post those pictures you have of the hole in the exterior of the structure. Prove to us the top of the hole was a LOT lower than what I posted. Dare you.
http://lawn.1accesshost.com/_webimages/tomhoran_pentagonfromriverhouse.big2.JPG http://911lies.org/images2/16_foot_hole_pentagon.jpg http://911lies.org/images2/calculating_757_size_pentagon.jpg http://www.freedom-force.org/pics/pentagon_composite.jpg You ask, and you shall receive. It has to suck to be you. I mean, you must think the entire planet is dumber than you. Do your friends think you're smart? If so, are they as dumb as fence posts? They'd have to be, in order to tolerate your incessant bullying, and your outright superiority complex you seem to have. Maybe if you weren't so strident, people would actually enjoy debating you. I learn a lot from your posts. It's unfortunate that you feel compelled to act like an asshole. Again, I await your input, as erroneous as it will inevitably be.
Ok, let's take a look at the photos you linked: Number 1: ROTFLOL! Tommy, you just proved you don't know what you are talking about. That's the EXIT hole on the INTERIOR of the building, not the ENTRANCE hole on the EXTERIOR. Number 2: This one gave a hotlinking error. Number 3: ROTFLOL! Tommy, that circle is NOT where the fuselage of the plane hit. It's highlighting something to the RIGHT of where the fuselage hit. In the area hit by the wing. Look at these two images and you will see what I mean: Number 4: ROTFLOL! Tommy, if anything that image proves that the top of the fuselage was AT LEAST the height I claimed. In that image it is depicted as being about 3.5/10ths the height of the building ... i.e., .35*77 = 27 feet. Number 5: ROTFLOL! Tommy, that composite isn't nearly as good as the one I posted and it only proves you wrong. Here's my composite: Now if the top of the building is 77 feet, how high do you think the top of the central hole in that image is? Perhaps even more than 25 feet. Number 6: ROTFLOL! Tommy, you posted another picture of the EXIT hole in the inner ring, not the EXTERIOR hole. ROTFLOL! Tommy, you again only prove my point. You claim you built a model to scale? Let's see if you understand scale. The top of the building is about 77 feet high. The drawings I posted indicate that the height of the tail of the plane WITH THE LANDING GEAR DOWN is 44 feet. Now does that image really look to scale given that the landing gear aren't even down in it? I'm not so sure. But assume the perspective is just fooling me and that the rendition is to scale.What does your ruler tell you the height of the top of the fuselage is in that photo? A third the height of the building? Let's see ... that would be 26 feet. Right, Tommy. What ever you say.
These helicopters there before and shortly after the impact were very likely the source of control and guidance for what hit the Pentagon. Some extrapolate that a 737 stand-in did the damage in Washington and at the WTC in NYC. Myself, I am more disposed to finding a missile a far more likely source of the damage in Washington. And as for what people inside the Pentagon smelled, immediately after the event quite a number of them spoke of smelling Cordite. That part of damage control would be to contact these folks and get them to shut up or change their story comes as no surprise to me.
Ever seen a helicopter not arrive at a car chase in any major city? Helicopters are drawn to news like flies to garbage. I would have been surprised had a helicopter or two not been circling. All I can find are two. Is "quite a number" two? Don Perkal is quoted about smelling cordite after hearing someone say a bomb had gone off in the building. Power of suggestion? Perkal is a lawyer. What experience does he actually have in cordite? None of the reports say. And do you know that he's also quoted saying "An attorney I've known for fifteen years was killed instantly when the plane went into the building." Gilah Goldsmith is quoted saying it smelled like cordite or gun smoke. Gilah is a lawyer too. What is it with lawyers and cordite? And since when is "cordite" used in missiles?
D.C. is a controlled airspace, and these utility helicopters were there before the impact and shortly afterward. They are also far to expensive to use for the function you extrapolate them as serving. I would expect a light observation two or four seat craft to appear, and in the face of photos like those I hot linked to I would expect proof that they were innocent bystanders to the event to be forthcoming. But it isn't. Much as the alleged remains of the alleged aircraft seem to have vanished like so much New York structural steel being shipped to China to be melted down as quickly as possible. If evidence the A/C in question's impact had ever indeed existed, the evidential chain of custody and undeniable proof of from what it came from would have long ago been forthcoming. But those conducting these false flag operations know they have a pig in the poke with no possibility of proving the lies the Bush Administration created in it's conduct are anything but falsehoods. So they are left with blur the truth ops with a myriad of naysayers like you to try to blunt the impact of the obviousness of the lies of 9-11. The truth is out there, and you just look foolish trying to add smoke and mirrors to the mix to attempt a debunking. The only thing you could show to prove your contentions is show proof that does not exist. You are denied clear and compelling evidence the official story is true because it flat does not exist.
#106. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#105)
But you will never find it the way you are going about looking for it. You will only end up helping to discredit the entire *Truth* movement. Sad.
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#6. To: Paul Revere, ALL (#5)
It suggests that a winged missile was dropped by the large aircraft
#25. To: BeAChooser (#6)
#61. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Paul Revere, ALL (#25)
Um... I don't remember seeing a plane shaped hole in the pentagon. I remember seeing a round hole, but not a plane shaped hole, because had there BEEN wings on the thing over 100 feet from tip to tip, There would have been much more lateral structural damage to the outer exterior of the building.
Not to mention an absence of plane parts on the lawn at the time of the explosion, or how pristine the ground was all the way up to the Pentagon.
How do I know? A private firm asked me to make a scale model of the plane in question for their research, and with everything to scale, the engines would have drug the ground in order for the fuselage to hit as low as it did.
#72. To: BeAChooser (#61)
#74. To: TommyTheMadArtist, ALL (#72)
The pictures of the hole that I have seen, are a LOT lower than the CG picture you have posted. In fact, the pictures I have seen, show the hole being right at ground level.
The engines extend roughly 5 feet lower than the fuselage. For it to have flown that low, knocking down the various light poles, and remained at ground level, it would have dug ruts into the lawn, which it did not.
For the official story to work, the plane would have had to have come in at roughly a 30 degree angle
#75. To: BeAChooser (#74)
http://www.thetruth.mysite.com/pentagon%20hole.jpg
#87. To: TommyTheMadArtist, ALL (#75)
You ask, and you shall receive.
http://www.thetruth.mysite.com/pentagon%20hole.jpg
http://lawn.1accesshost.com/_webimages/tomhoran_pentagonfromriverhouse.big2.JPG
http://911lies.org/images2/16_foot_hole_pentagon.jpg
central hole and right side damage 
Right side damage. 
http://911lies.org/images2/calculating_757_size_pentagon.jpg 
http://www.freedom-force.org/pics/pentagon_composite.jpg
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/hole.jpg
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/images/sozen.pentagon.jpeg
It has to suck to be you.
#97. To: BeAChooser (#87)
#101. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#97)
These helicopters there before and shortly after the impact were very likely the source of control and guidance for what hit the Pentagon.
And as for what people inside the Pentagon smelled, immediately after the event quite a number of them spoke of smelling Cordite.
#105. To: BeAChooser (#101)
"Ever seen a helicopter not arrive at a car chase in any major city? Helicopters are drawn to news like flies to garbage. I would have been surprised had a helicopter or two not been circling."
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