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Title: 9/11 Pentagon Explosion:9:45 AM
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_g1buWhAA
Published: Apr 9, 2007
Author: youtube
Post Date: 2007-04-09 19:31:02 by honway
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#5. To: honway (#0)

That video appears to show an explosion some time after the initial attack, whatever it was.

There is a great video by pilots for truth which examines the flight data info, and suggests that the airplane did not hit the Pentagon. It suggests that a winged missile was dropped by the large aircraft, which never got below about 300-400 feet.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   19:49:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Paul Revere (#5)

There is a great video by pilots for truth which examines the flight data info, and suggests that the airplane did not hit the Pentagon. It suggests that a winged missile was dropped by the large aircraft, which never got below about 300-400 feet.

To be clear,individuals making claims concerning the data from the flight data recorder need to start by stating if they believe the FDR data is fake or real.

If the data is fake, you cannot make any conclusions based on fake data other than the data is fake.

If the data is real, then the plane equipped with the FDR crashed into the Pentagon.

It is absolute nonsense for any rational person to say the FDR data proves a plane did not crash into the Pentagon.You can attempt to make the case that data is fake, but you cannot use data that has been established as fake to prove what happened.

honway  posted on  2007-04-09   20:10:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: honway (#8) (Edited)

Well, that's your opinion, but it's not factually accurate.

The flight data recorder can be accurate, and still be deceptive, if not properly understood. I suggest you watch the entire video, then you'll understand why the airplane did not hit the Pentagon. In summary, at zero altitude on the flight data recorder, the airplane was still at 300 feet.

The process is explained in detail in the video by the 911 pilots for truth. It takes time, but if you're interested in being informed, it's the only way to go. It takes 6-7 minutes to get going, but once the animation begins, it's good.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs5ax_r0Zn8

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   20:47:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Paul Revere (#12)

Do you believe the FDR data is fake or is it real?

honway  posted on  2007-04-09   20:57:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: honway (#15)

Watch the video and you'll have your answer.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   21:00:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Paul Revere (#16)

Watch the video and you'll have your answer

Do you believe the FDR data is fake or is it real?

You are the only one on the planet that can answer my question.

honway  posted on  2007-04-09   21:03:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: honway (#17)

Then get ready to be in suspense, because I don't play the silly games that your kind of debate entails.

I've told you what I think. If you're too unmotivated to actually study the issue, if you need a world of absolutes, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I talk about the events of 9-11 to promote inquiry. I'm not going to get sidetracked with a pointless banter over your pet method of arguing.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   21:11:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Paul Revere (#18)

I'm not going to get sidetracked with a pointless banter over your pet method of arguing.

It is a question of character and integrity.

Do you believe the FDR data is fake or is it real?

Either a person can take a stand and answer a question or they can choose to wiggle under a rock.

You should consider a screen name change. Paul Revere did not wiggle like a worm.

honway  posted on  2007-04-09   21:33:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: honway (#21)

Either or ...

There you go again.

Either you're going to watch the video, or you're not going to know what I know.

Either you're going to tire of nagging me to play your game, or you're not.

I've raised kids, so your kind of pestering does not affect me. It's what kids do. "But why?! But you said ..."

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   21:47:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Paul Revere, honway (#24)

if i may, i believe you might be missing the point of honway's question. if i'm understanding correctly, he wants to know whether or not you believe that the FDR discussed in the video is the real one from Flight 77. for if it's not, then viewing the video would be a waste of time.

christine  posted on  2007-04-09   22:07:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#26) (Edited)

The reason I don't respond to that kind of question is because it's often a ploy to take the discussion a different direction. What I believe is not relevant to the issues presented. Its intention is to make my beliefs the area of question, rather than making the issues surrounding 9-11 paramount. The online amateur debunker follows a fairly standard and simple regimen of attack, like the rightwing pundits who favor that tactic.

The video is important because the many pilots who have examined the FDR data say it was shut off when the airplane was passing over the Pentagon, and the FDR proves that. They meticulously recreate the last minutes of the purported flight, and prove that it ends at over 300 feet in the air over the Pentagon.

In summary, it's the actual FDR that was in the airplane which flew over but did not crash into the Pentagon. In that sense, it's a real FDR, with real data, but the data are deceptive, because they imply the aircraft was 300 feet lower than it really was.

When the airplane took off that morning, it was calibrated for zero altitude 300 feet lower than it was flying, creating a record that seems to show the airplane was hitting the Pentagon.

Therefore, the FDR accurately records information, which information, when properly interpreted, places the aircraft over 300 feet above the Pentagon at the moment it is shown to be hitting the Pentagon.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-09   22:24:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#36. To: Paul Revere (#28)

The video is important because the many pilots who have examined the FDR data say it was shut off when the airplane was passing over the Pentagon, and the FDR proves that. They meticulously recreate the last minutes of the purported flight, and prove that it ends at over 300 feet in the air over the Pentagon.

In summary, it's the actual FDR that was in the airplane which flew over but did not crash into the Pentagon. In that sense, it's a real FDR, with real data, but the data are deceptive, because they imply the aircraft was 300 feet lower than it really was.

got it. unfortunately, the narrators have english accents which i'm finding difficult to hear.

christine  posted on  2007-04-10 10:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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