[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

These Are The Most Stolen Cars In Every US State

Earth Changes Summary - June 2025: Extreme Weather, Planetary Upheaval,

China’s Tofu-Dreg High-Speed Rail Station Ceiling Suddenly Floods, Steel Bars Snap

Russia Moves to Nationalize Country's Third Largest Gold Mining Firm

Britain must prepare for civil war | David Betz

The New MAGA Turf War Over National Intelligence

Happy fourth of july

The Empire Has Accidentally Caused The Rebirth Of Real Counterculture In The West

Workers install 'Alligator Alcatraz' sign for Florida immigration detention center

The Biggest Financial Collapse in China’s History Is Here, More Terrifying Than Evergrande!

Lightning

Cash Jordan NYC Courthouse EMPTIED... ICE Deports 'Entire Building

Trump Sparks Domestic Labor Renaissance: Native-Born Workers Surge To Record High As Foreign-Born Plunge

Mister Roberts (1965)

WE BROKE HIM!! [Early weekend BS/nonsense thread]

I'm going to send DOGE after Elon." -Trump

This is the America I grew up in. We need to bring it back

MD State Employee may get Arrested by Sheriff for reporting an Illegal Alien to ICE

RFK Jr: DTaP vaccine was found to have link to Autism

FBI Agents found that the Chinese manufactured fake driver’s licenses and shipped them to the U.S. to help Biden...

Love & Real Estate: China’s new romance scam

Huge Democrat shift against Israel stuns CNN

McCarthy Was Right. They Lied About Everything.

How Romans Built Domes

My 7 day suspension on X was lifted today.

They Just Revealed EVERYTHING... [Project 2029]

Trump ACCUSED Of MASS EXECUTING Illegals By DUMPING Them In The Ocean

The Siege (1998)

Trump Admin To BAN Pride Rainbow Crosswalks, DoT Orders ALL Distractions REMOVED

Elon Musk Backing Thomas Massie Against Trump-AIPAC Challenger


Editorial
See other Editorial Articles

Title: What Do Muslims Want?
Source: National Review
URL Source: http://article.nationalreview.com/? ... hlYzEwYzkwYzc3YTQ2OWQxMjJhMTE=
Published: Apr 9, 2007
Author: Raymond Ibrahim
Post Date: 2007-04-10 03:29:47 by mirage
Keywords: None
Views: 1061
Comments: 82

All humans generally live according to some set of priorities. A person may make a priority of health, of pleasure, of study, of almost anything, really. But it is practically a law of nature that a person must make a priority of something. Even those who lead unstructured existences unconsciously live according to some set of unarticulated priorities, if only according to something so basic as the primal need for food, drink, and shelter.

For many people, religious practice — striving to obey God’s commandments — is a high priority, the highest, even. Yet this priority can come into conflict with the character of the society in which one lives. This is undoubtedly the case for devout Muslims who voluntarily relocate to Western nations. This invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah (i.e., sharia — most of which is derived from the words and deeds of seventh-century Mohammad).

Some of these Muslims arrive in the West and don’t want to compromise. Consider some recent news stories:

A few Muslim cashiers working at Target stores in Minneapolis are refusing to scan customer purchases that may contain pork. Instead of swiping the products themselves — which is their job — they are inconveniencing the customers or fellow employees by having them do it.

Muslim cab drivers have long been discriminating against customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. Officials at the St. Paul International Airport estimate that, on average, alcohol-bearing customers seeking cab rides are denied 77 times per month. Some blind customers have also been turned down on account of their seeing-eye dogs.

Muslims in Seattle have requested (and been granted) regularly scheduled hours for their exclusive use of public pools; an all-Muslim-girls basketball team at a Chicago university demanded that men be barred from attending their matches; some 200 Muslim women signed a petition at a Michigan fitness center demanding separate workout times for men and women, or at least the erection of a screen divider between the men’s and women’s section (which was granted).

All of these issues revolve around the Muslim desire to live according to Allah’s laws — which, among other things, ban contact with pigs, dogs, and alcohol, and have rigid social guidelines, especially concerning interaction between the sexes. From a religious point of view, the anti-social behavior of these Muslims can be, if not excused, then certainly understood. They are doing only what their religion commands them to do. And their refusal to compromise on these points demonstrates that adherence to the commandments of Islam is a priority of the utmost importance to them.

However, if living in strict accordance to sharia is the first priority of some Muslims, one wonders: Why have they voluntarily come and immersed themselves in infidel countries that do not recognize sharia law and, indeed, allow many things that run counter to it, such as the selling and consumption of alcohol and pork and the liberal intermingling of the sexes? Most of the Muslim countries that Muslims abandon for the West are much more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle and uphold many if not all aspects of sharia law. Yet, each year, thousands of supposedly “ultra-devout” Muslims forsake these countries and, of their own free will, come and surround themselves with wine-imbibing, swine-eating libertines. Why?

It is for the same reason that everyone else comes to the West — for the “good life.” They come in order to be prosperous and to enjoy opportunities, security, and equality the likes of which they could never have in their own countries (ruled quite often — no surprise — according to sharia). The vast majority of Muslims emigrating from the Islamic world do not leave due to necessity — say, oppression or starvation. No, they come to the infidel West solely to prosper materially.

But why are Muslims of the “ultra-pious” variety seeking after material comfort in the first place — especially when doing so will almost certainly undermine their professed desire to live strictly according to the sharia? Coming to live in a democratic country composed of some 300 million infidels is bound to affect any Muslim’s observance of sharia. These pious Muslims risk coming into daily contact with, not only pork, alcohol, and dogs, but all sorts of other defilements: flamboyant homosexuals, scantily clad women (who are often in positions of authority!), gamblers and usurers, to name a few. Are they not concerned that they, or especially their children, might become contaminated by the licentious and seductive practices of the infidel West? If their priority is truly to strictly follow sharia, should they not remain in their Muslim countries of origin, which, if not as prosperous as the West, are definitely more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle?

Or, could it be that, despite all the ruckus (and subsequent headlines) made by these Muslims, living in accordance to Allah and his sharia is not their first priority, after all? At least, not to the degree that they would be unwilling to put this priority at substantial risk for the sake of living the good life, in a strictly secular and materialistic sense.

Furthermore, if common sense does not dissuade them from relocating to the West, the very sharia they claim to want to closely observe should. For instance, if pork and alcohol are condemned (e.g., Koran 5:4; 2:219), voluntarily living among infidels, idolaters, and atheists is looked on no better. The Koran declares: “O you who believe! Take neither Jews nor Christians as friends…whoever among you turns to them is one of them” (5:51).

There are countless verses and traditions, in fact, that make it clear that Muslims are to be in a constant state of animosity toward non-Muslims, waging war through tongue and teeth in order to spread Islam, and, when finally in a position of superiority, discriminating against those who refuse to convert (see, for example, 3:28, 5:73, 5:17, 9:5, 9:25, etc). When the Meccans persisted in their unbelief, refusing to accept the prophet-hood — and subsequent authority — of Mohammad, he finally abandoned his kinsfolk with these parting words, which some Muslims believe still define the proper relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: “We [Muslims] disown you [non-Muslims] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — until you believe in Allah alone!” (60:40).

So why are some Muslims making public scenes here in the United States over scanning bacon or transporting customers with sealed bottles of wine in their luggage while at the same time freely choosing to live with — and of course benefit from — those whom they are commanded to hate and wage war upon, or at the very least, disavow and be clean of?

“Straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.


Poster Comment:

An interesting take on "multiculturalism" and the clash of societies.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 63.

#25. To: mirage (#0)

Author: Raymond Ibrahim...

“Straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.

I'm always amused when someone criticizes the devout for trying to find a path to God, which is, after all, our highest calling in life.

I mean, really. Isn't it offensive when some Jew refuses to take off his beanie and walks around with curls on the side of his head and refuses to eat anything you offer him because it isn't "kosher"? I mean, what's up with that?

And isn't it inconvenient when some foreigner Boodist shaves his head and wears a weird robe and sandals even in winter time, and they won't even step on a cockroach? A lousy cockroach!

Or when some flaky Amish chick want to wear headscarves and hand woven clothes and won't drink soda or even drive in a car? But she still shows up at Wal- Mart, doesn't she?

Or when some Baptist weirdo won't have a beer like normal people?

I mean, these fuckin' weirdos who won't blend in and stuff. They got the wrong priorities, man.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-10   11:48:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluedogtxn (#25)

The difference is between the person who follows his path without dragging people along with him -- and those who wish to drag everyone with him.

Prohibition is a fine example of Baptists dragging everyone else along for the ride. Is that "just fine" or is it not?

mirage  posted on  2007-04-10   14:04:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mirage (#41)

The difference is between the person who follows his path without dragging people along with him -- and those who wish to drag everyone with him.

Prohibition is a fine example of Baptists dragging everyone else along for the ride. Is that "just fine" or is it not?

It wasn't just the Baptists. It was a lot of other denominations, too, as well as a lot of "liberal" better-society types and temperance leagues and all that stuff, too. I'm against prohibition of alchohol for some of the same reasons I'm against the prohibition of nearly all recreational drugs. Because prohibition has in the past proven a deadly failure; and in the present it is proving itself a deadly failure. Also, Christ himself drank, and so did all of the apostles (presumably responsibly, although who knows, they didn't have cars ...) so it seems kind of weird for any Christian to be pushing for the prohibition of alcohol.

But the prohibitions rammed down our throats by the Baptists were passed through democratically and politically; so I don't see them in the same light as someone imposing the Khoran or Sharia or Talmud or Paul's laws on us; not to say there wasn't a relationship there, for there certainly was; but freedom is a tricky business. It's hard to consistently favor freedom when that means you have to let other people be "free" to advocate for lessening the very freedom that permits them to speak. Or to freely practice their wacky religion.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-10   14:15:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: bluedogtxn (#42)

It's hard to consistently favor freedom when that means you have to let other people be "free" to advocate for lessening the very freedom that permits them to speak. Or to freely practice their wacky religion.

Traditionally, "Tolerance" meant not killing the guy living next to you because he was different - you let him do whatever he wanted (except capital crimes, of course) behind closed doors.

Granted, it is usually a small minority who gets in other peoples' faces, but should not the same general societal rules be for everyone?

Thus, I'm amazed at the people on this thread who are saying "All Jews are evil and all Muslims are good" - this is stupid. There are idiots in every group and extremists in every group. There are both good and bad to be found everywhere.

So what's with the lobotomy? Why is the brain shutting down and not realizing that simple fact of reality?

mirage  posted on  2007-04-10   14:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mirage (#43)

Traditionally, "Tolerance" meant not killing the guy living next to you because he was different - you let him do whatever he wanted (except capital crimes, of course) behind closed doors.

There are both good and bad to be found everywhere.

So what's with the lobotomy? Why is the brain shutting down and not realizing that simple fact of reality?

We're being bombarded by strange ideas, and many of them are contradictory. We are told that a left wing conspiracy is ramming fascism down our throats in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity"; and tolerance and diversity become dirty words associated with the all-time dirty word, "liberal". Or there's the dreaded "multiculturalism" being foisted on us poor, unsuspecting victims...

I call bullshit. If you look up tolerance and read the definition, it really doesn't have much of a downside. If you look up diversity, liberal and multiculturalism, there's not much there that a true blue American raised in the spirit of liberty and the melting pot could disagree with much.

You are right about the lobotomy, though. And it's frightening. A large group of people have been lobotomized into thinking that torture is okay, pre-emptive war is just fine, and all Muslims should be atomized. People are okay with cops kicking in doors, tasering people to death, prison without trials, etc, etc...

I think if the founding fathers had possessed a crystal ball and could have seen what the American people would become, they'd have blown off the whole "revolution" thing. Why bother to put themselves through the agony of it if we were ultimately to become a nation no freer than Britain under George III? If they'd known we'd be installing an elected dynasty to the throne of America, and that the people would be willingly putting the noose of Empire and militarism around their own necks, I think they'd have despaired of the whole undertaking.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-10   14:42:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluedogtxn (#44)

There is an open conspriacy to shove things down our throats. Fortunately, in America, things tend to be done out in the open - and it is now a free-for-all :)

Traditional "diversity and multiculturalism" was to take the best from everywhere and assimilate it. The modern version is balkanization where communities are encouraged to NOT assimilate.

America used to think of herself as having a common language. We are now told by many people that is a bad idea.

America used to think of herself as being "one people" - Americans - but from everywhere. Now we have "Irish-Americans" and "African-Americans" and "Jewish-Americans" and "Mexican-Americans" -- there are no plain old "Americans" anymore.

America used to be a meritocracy. Nowadays you win the jackpot if you are born with a particular heritage and hue. You get bonus points if you're also female and gay.

America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance. These days, "progressives" tell us that is no longer needed and that society as a whole needs to take care of everyone as opposed to what we used to do, which was to encourage people to take care of themselves. The extreme right wing wants to disassemble ALL of the safety nets due to how they have evolved and been misused.

Historically, everyone has always known there are homosexuals. Historically, they kept it to themselves. Nowadays, it is considered 'chic' to throw it in peoples' faces. OF COURSE there is backlash when that happens, its just common sense to expect that when throwing something in someone's face.

So now we get EVERYONE throwing EVERYTHING in EVERYONE's faces and EVERYONE is pissed off as a result. I don't understand how we got from being a polite society to "celebrate ME and you're damned to hell if you don't think like I do!" (which is what 'celebrate diversity' really means in its modern usage)

I've been trying to figure out what the actual "line" was where common sense and individuality was and where collectivism and the tyranny of the minority started taking over and the best I can come up with is it was a slow boil for the frog.

Maybe I'll never understand, but I'll never give up trying to understand it.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-10   15:05:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mirage (#47)

America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance. These days, "progressives" tell us that is no longer needed and that society as a whole needs to take care of everyone as opposed to what we used to do, which was to encourage people to take care of themselves.

Back when it was this way, people also thought it was important to look after one another.

Members of communities helped one another out, when someone built a house others pitched in to help. When someone else built their house, the others would recipricate and pitch in.

We now live in times of extreme selfishness, though as you pointed out the govt system of tax funded safety nets has been abused.

But we've gone from one extreme to the other.

Things worked best when communities looked after their own, when independence was encouraged but people were willing to take turns helping out one another, through barter, helping each other build homes and other buildings, families taking in their elderly members to care for them, watching each other's children when there was a need, etc, because they wanted to, because they cared about each other, that system worked best IMO.

Now it's dog eat dog and each man for himself and to hell with everyone else.

Diana  posted on  2007-04-11   4:25:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Diana (#61)

Now it's dog eat dog and each man for himself and to hell with everyone else.

For some perhaps. I take care of my mom as best I can. There isn't anyone else.

If/when it comes time for me to have kids, I'm getting a herding dog as a failsafe and those kids will be able to field-strip an AR15 before they hit grade school most likely.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-11   4:34:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 63.

#65. To: mirage (#63)

I take care of my mom as best I can. There isn't anyone else.

That is really commendable, and all too rare anymore.

May you be blessed with a loving wife and many children for a herding dog to guard over!!

Diana  posted on  2007-04-11 04:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 63.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]