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Title: What Do Muslims Want?
Source: National Review
URL Source: http://article.nationalreview.com/? ... hlYzEwYzkwYzc3YTQ2OWQxMjJhMTE=
Published: Apr 9, 2007
Author: Raymond Ibrahim
Post Date: 2007-04-10 03:29:47 by mirage
Keywords: None
Views: 1067
Comments: 82

All humans generally live according to some set of priorities. A person may make a priority of health, of pleasure, of study, of almost anything, really. But it is practically a law of nature that a person must make a priority of something. Even those who lead unstructured existences unconsciously live according to some set of unarticulated priorities, if only according to something so basic as the primal need for food, drink, and shelter.

For many people, religious practice — striving to obey God’s commandments — is a high priority, the highest, even. Yet this priority can come into conflict with the character of the society in which one lives. This is undoubtedly the case for devout Muslims who voluntarily relocate to Western nations. This invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah (i.e., sharia — most of which is derived from the words and deeds of seventh-century Mohammad).

Some of these Muslims arrive in the West and don’t want to compromise. Consider some recent news stories:

A few Muslim cashiers working at Target stores in Minneapolis are refusing to scan customer purchases that may contain pork. Instead of swiping the products themselves — which is their job — they are inconveniencing the customers or fellow employees by having them do it.

Muslim cab drivers have long been discriminating against customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. Officials at the St. Paul International Airport estimate that, on average, alcohol-bearing customers seeking cab rides are denied 77 times per month. Some blind customers have also been turned down on account of their seeing-eye dogs.

Muslims in Seattle have requested (and been granted) regularly scheduled hours for their exclusive use of public pools; an all-Muslim-girls basketball team at a Chicago university demanded that men be barred from attending their matches; some 200 Muslim women signed a petition at a Michigan fitness center demanding separate workout times for men and women, or at least the erection of a screen divider between the men’s and women’s section (which was granted).

All of these issues revolve around the Muslim desire to live according to Allah’s laws — which, among other things, ban contact with pigs, dogs, and alcohol, and have rigid social guidelines, especially concerning interaction between the sexes. From a religious point of view, the anti-social behavior of these Muslims can be, if not excused, then certainly understood. They are doing only what their religion commands them to do. And their refusal to compromise on these points demonstrates that adherence to the commandments of Islam is a priority of the utmost importance to them.

However, if living in strict accordance to sharia is the first priority of some Muslims, one wonders: Why have they voluntarily come and immersed themselves in infidel countries that do not recognize sharia law and, indeed, allow many things that run counter to it, such as the selling and consumption of alcohol and pork and the liberal intermingling of the sexes? Most of the Muslim countries that Muslims abandon for the West are much more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle and uphold many if not all aspects of sharia law. Yet, each year, thousands of supposedly “ultra-devout” Muslims forsake these countries and, of their own free will, come and surround themselves with wine-imbibing, swine-eating libertines. Why?

It is for the same reason that everyone else comes to the West — for the “good life.” They come in order to be prosperous and to enjoy opportunities, security, and equality the likes of which they could never have in their own countries (ruled quite often — no surprise — according to sharia). The vast majority of Muslims emigrating from the Islamic world do not leave due to necessity — say, oppression or starvation. No, they come to the infidel West solely to prosper materially.

But why are Muslims of the “ultra-pious” variety seeking after material comfort in the first place — especially when doing so will almost certainly undermine their professed desire to live strictly according to the sharia? Coming to live in a democratic country composed of some 300 million infidels is bound to affect any Muslim’s observance of sharia. These pious Muslims risk coming into daily contact with, not only pork, alcohol, and dogs, but all sorts of other defilements: flamboyant homosexuals, scantily clad women (who are often in positions of authority!), gamblers and usurers, to name a few. Are they not concerned that they, or especially their children, might become contaminated by the licentious and seductive practices of the infidel West? If their priority is truly to strictly follow sharia, should they not remain in their Muslim countries of origin, which, if not as prosperous as the West, are definitely more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle?

Or, could it be that, despite all the ruckus (and subsequent headlines) made by these Muslims, living in accordance to Allah and his sharia is not their first priority, after all? At least, not to the degree that they would be unwilling to put this priority at substantial risk for the sake of living the good life, in a strictly secular and materialistic sense.

Furthermore, if common sense does not dissuade them from relocating to the West, the very sharia they claim to want to closely observe should. For instance, if pork and alcohol are condemned (e.g., Koran 5:4; 2:219), voluntarily living among infidels, idolaters, and atheists is looked on no better. The Koran declares: “O you who believe! Take neither Jews nor Christians as friends…whoever among you turns to them is one of them” (5:51).

There are countless verses and traditions, in fact, that make it clear that Muslims are to be in a constant state of animosity toward non-Muslims, waging war through tongue and teeth in order to spread Islam, and, when finally in a position of superiority, discriminating against those who refuse to convert (see, for example, 3:28, 5:73, 5:17, 9:5, 9:25, etc). When the Meccans persisted in their unbelief, refusing to accept the prophet-hood — and subsequent authority — of Mohammad, he finally abandoned his kinsfolk with these parting words, which some Muslims believe still define the proper relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: “We [Muslims] disown you [non-Muslims] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — until you believe in Allah alone!” (60:40).

So why are some Muslims making public scenes here in the United States over scanning bacon or transporting customers with sealed bottles of wine in their luggage while at the same time freely choosing to live with — and of course benefit from — those whom they are commanded to hate and wage war upon, or at the very least, disavow and be clean of?

“Straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.


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#12. To: mirage, Diana, Burkeman1, IndieTX, Yertle Turtle, noone222 (#0) (Edited)

All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.

The American Orthodox Jewish community asks for accommodation and usually gets it.

I'm sure you all know what an "eruv" is, right?

Santa Monica, CA recently agreed to erect an eruv so Jewish folks can enjoy the beach while following the holy commandment to "remain in their homes" (wink wink) on the sabbath!

The study included the possibility that an eruv wire could prove hazardous to birds, but the "community" is willing to pay to minimize the risk. Of course if it becomes apparent that the risk cannot be completely eliminated or even minimized to acceptable levels, then the birds will have perish so Jews can go to the beach while remaining in their homes!(?) "NEWS FLASH! MAN EATEN BY SHARK IN HIS HOME (SORTA) ON SABBATH!"

The day I see a news article that juxtaposes Muslims asking for accommodation along side the actual numbers and locations of existing eruvs in the country, then I'll consider the proper groundwork for fair discussion to be in place.

Until then it's just another anti-Muslim hit piece. In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably be permitted to discriminate.

Senor Yertle is correct too. If every cab on the airport stand is operated by an observant Muslim (and that is not only possible but on some days quite likely) then the effect is all customers observe sharia whether or not they are Muslim unless steps are taken to minimize abuse, such as firing the drivers. But, in the interest of balance ask yourselves this: What are the odds that a law would be passed to minimize abuse by religious Jews, or that a cab company would fire a Jew for such abuse of customers?

And, how would those Muslim taxi drivers like it if there are special cab stands for customers who simply don't want to patronize schmucky Arabs? Imagine walking out of an airport terminal and seeing signs that read "Muslim taxis to the left others to the right"? How would observant Muslims feel about that, especially if news stories portrayed them as intolerant religious zealots and every non Muslim customer avoided them?

They'd better be careful what they wish for because they may get it, and all that comes with it!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-04-10   6:46:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)

In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably be permitted to discriminate.

I actually knew some Jewish cab drivers (yes, Jews drive taxis). They never discriminated. None of us did, except when we thought the pick-up was dangerous.

We had some Muslim drivers, too. They didn't discriminate, either. For one thing, they would have been fired for refusing to pick up a seeing-eye dog, or take someone who had booze in their groceries.

There is also the fact the other drivers would have given them a really hard time. Very hard.

Years ago, two American drivers were sitting in my back seat. Each weighed about 250 pounds. There was a tiny little Eithopian driver inbetween them, whose nickname was "Itty-Bitty." I looked at him, grinned at the drivers, and suggested we should cook and eat Itty-Bitty, although he wouldn't make much of a meal. He knew we were joking, but he was a little afraid of us.

Generally, we policed ourselves. What's happening at that airport is a failure of everyone involved to police the situation. The other drivers, the government -- everyone.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-04-10   7:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: YertleTurtle, mirage, Diana, Burkeman1, IndieTX, noone222 (#13)

I actually knew some Jewish cab drivers (yes, Jews drive taxis). They never discriminated. None of us did, except when we thought the pick-up was dangerous.

Danny Glover's campaign in NYC was because blacks have trouble flagging cabs but, most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans don't tip and they commit the majority of assaults and robberies.

If I saw an eekwal waiting to head up to 139th street and a businessman with luggage I'd take the airport run over the Harlem trip.

Could you blame me? Even if I don't get tipped at the airport (which is unlikely unless that passenger is black too) I probably wouldn't be robbed or murdered when I arrive. But, Harlem is dangerous and the cops attitude seems to be, "Hey you drive a cab so you should expect it".

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-04-10   11:14:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)

most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans

I gotta wonder what is wrong with you. Did your parents drop you on your head? Were you raised in some throwback hillbilly white trash Atlanta Ghetto?

What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere?

This is just flamebait from a keyboard bigot who wouldn't have the courage to say something so deeply offensive in front of his target audience. I'm embarrassed for you.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-10   12:03:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: bluedogtxn, HOUNDDAWG (#30)

Danny Glover's campaign in NYC was because blacks have trouble flagging cabs but, most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans don't tip and they commit the majority of assaults and robberies. (HOUNDDAWG)

I gotta wonder what is wrong with you. Did your parents drop you on your head? Were you raised in some throwback hillbilly white trash Atlanta Ghetto?

What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere?

This is just flamebait from a keyboard bigot who wouldn't have the courage to say something so deeply offensive in front of his target audience. I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh, come on, bluedog, don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction and an unnecessary personal attack of HOUNDDAWG? The truth of the matter is, there are niggers just like there's wiggers and white trash! Bet you a majority of blacks themselves would say this is so. Seems you're capitulating to the PC bullshit which, frankly, surprises me.

Nostalgia  posted on  2007-04-13   16:38:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Nostalgia (#72)

Oh, come on, bluedog, don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction and an unnecessary personal attack of HOUNDDAWG? The truth of the matter is, there are niggers just like there's wiggers and white trash! Bet you a majority of blacks themselves would say this is so. Seems you're capitulating to the PC bullshit which, frankly, surprises me.

There aren't any "niggers".

When I was a kid the only word I could say that would AUTOMATICALLY and no appeal earn me a whuppin' was "nigger".

Oh, I could say the F word or GD or even MF and appeal to my dad's mercy or say something to get out of getting the belt on my ass, but if I said "nigger" it was the belt. Period.

I didn't understand then, but I understand now. First of all, it's a cheap damn shot. If I call you a MF, you can call me one back. But if I'm white and I call you a dirty name that means black, you can't call me the same thing back. So it's a cheap, dirty, unfair thing to say.

Secondly, it says more about me than it says about you. It says that I'm stupid enough to use that kind of language in modern times like I'm some throwback to pre-civil rights era thinking. I'm essentially admitting I'm no more intelligent or educated than some dumbass cracker like Bull Connor. Which would be a piss-poor reflection on my father, ergo, the belt.

Finally, it's a put down of an entire race of people with absolutely no basis in fact. Kinda like what launched the holocaust, and my dad's dad had to go and kill a bunch of the Nazis' allies in the Pacific and his uncle had to go kill a bunch of Nazis, and we didn't need to go starting all that ignorant crap up.

I've argued this before about Imus. It wasn't a question of "free speech" It was a matter of "stupid speech". And stupid speech gets no protection from me.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-13   16:51:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: bluedogtxn (#73)

I understand that this is your personal pet peeve in light of your father's strong feeling about that word. HOUNDDAWG obviously doesn't share that sentiment. The fact that he did use it, somewhat in jest, doesn't mean there's something "wrong with him" or that his mother dropped him on his head! You said elsewhere that this is an issue which is turning friends in liberty against each other. You're right about that. I'm seeing it occur on several threads. It's a shame.

Nostalgia  posted on  2007-04-13   17:12:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Nostalgia, HOUNDDAWG (#74)

I understand that this is your personal pet peeve in light of your father's strong feeling about that word.

Fair enough. I probably did over-react. I just can't stand that word. Really crawls up my psychic ass, if you know what I mean.

Peace, HOUNDDAWG. Sorry if I jumped all over you without cause.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-13   17:30:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: bluedogtxn, Nostalgia, christine, Tauzero (#75) (Edited)

Thank you.

And I apologize for my unkind responses.

I have a problem with forbidden words, particularly since the restrictions apply only to whites of Euro descent.

It is my belief that if we allow others to control the dialectic we will have lost the battle to restore America's greatness before we ever begin. And, America cannot be reclaimed without due credit to the dominant culture and race. One need not be a "hater" a "Nazi" or Triple K Klub member to recognize that the Euro work ethic and intelligence coupled with the radical idea of govt as servant and people as sovereign are from great Euro minds who would not allow others to control them to the extent we are oppressed today.

Just as the anti slavery movement is white in its origin and would not exist without us so is the idea of "if the truth hurts then let it hurt because only the truth can make you free". (Jeff Cooper)

And when I see whites ask again and again "How come there's a Black America pageant but no such thing as an exclusive "White America" pageant?" Or, "How come they can call themselves nig...." you know the rest, I want to tell them that the first thing they must do is free themselves of self imposed mental shackles and refuse to respect PC standards that apply to whites only. And this by necessity requires irreverance from me.

I've written newspaper columns (yes, I've had three columns in small papers in the past) about the contributions made by George Washington Carver, Lewis Latimer (the only African American member of THE EDISON PIONEERS) and other great African American minds. But, I also mentioned that there are few if any exceptional blacks in the sciences today, and it seems that they only rise to prominence in sports, entertainment, politics, and fields that require no dispelling of racial stereotypes. (Exactly as promised by Israel Cohen at the World Communist Congress meeting in 1898) This means that the top spots for black "leaders" can be occupied by mediocre individuals and they are poor role models. Not only because of their lack of intellectual rigor but because they tend to embrace and teach that "white racism" is the reason for failure rather than their own character deficits.

For instance, David Horowitz wrote TEN REASONS WHY REPARATIONS IS A BAD IDEA AND RACIST, TOO. In it he pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equivalent to whites while American born blacks can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity. The reason for this is obvious in my view. Many American born blacks flip out at the slightest indication that I and others like me don't adore them. Your reinforcement of that outrage only hurts and cripples them further.

At the risk of offending you or your dear father, liberals like to feel that "those people down there need our help" and this is the very systemic racism that we heretics justifiably criticize. If you really want to improve things for the downtrodden why don't you attack the system that imprisons so many poor blacks while allowing white children of privilege to slip the noose again and again?

If you simply "do your best" defending them in court but never attack the system its self, then your energy expended on people like me could be better directed. Of course that would involve some risk. Your profession takes a dim view of such heresy.

William Kunstler created a novel defense known as Black Rage Syndrome and unsuccessfully used it to defend Colin Ferguson. He was attempting to justify a killing spree because many blacks won't work hard to overcome obstacles and would rather seize on excuses to stay down. Your attacking me kinda puts you in the Kunstler camp, doesn't it?

And, until you and others can inspire them to be better citizens and stop being professional victims and career criminals, then don't criticize me for my reluctance to abandon the death penalty for racist blacks who commit depraved murders for obvious racial reasons. (Ferguson left CA where he purchased the firearm and went to NY because he didn't want to be executed for his planned murder spree of whites. And, there's an excellent chance he'd have drawn return fire in CA, but little chance of that in NYC)

And if you must challenge capital punishment then do so on the grounds that career prosecutors who err in convicting the wrong defendants seldom admit error, and that is why the chances of executing innocent people may be great. Not because we whites on the juries are "racist".

The day I see a guest column in a newspaper from you naming a prosecutor who wrongly convicted a death row defendant and a judge who wrongly allowed the trial to proceed then that's the day I'll give you leave to criticize me for my lack of respect for your views on proper conduct in a civilized society.

It's not enough that the media won't even report on heinous murders like those committed by The Carr Bros, but they trumpet the James Byrd dragging and maximize the white guilt with it and others like it.

When you attacked me you aligned yourself with the media that for whatever reason feels that blacks need to be protected from the truth about themselves. And, it's also the reason why you believe that the Nazis simply decided to attack Jews one day for no reason at all. Although there is no justification for the treatment of millions who were targeted by Hitler, there were many reasons for resentment of Jews in Germany at that time. A hundred million people lost their lives in the 20th century because of Jewish inspired communism, and we can't even say that in polite company today. And the best example of why is you; an educated professional who isn't even aware of it and would likely savage anyone who said it, and that's exactly the way they want it to be. Does that mean that your father and uncle were dupes who fought for the wrong reasons? Millions of people think so. AND, BTW, the Japanese had legit grievances, too. But, American politicos and Jewish interests needed them to attack us because the people would not sign off on our entry into WWII without provocation. The parallels with the wars today are disturbingly similar.)

You don't really want to align yourself with them and champion American patriotism, too. To do so is evidence of political schizophrenia in my view.

And, thank you to others who spoke up when bluedogtxn reduced me to an ugly cultural stereotype.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-04-14   15:20:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: HOUNDDAWG (#77)

outstanding and heartfelt

christine  posted on  2007-04-14   15:34:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: christine (#78)

Thank you!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-04-14   15:59:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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