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Title: What Do Muslims Want?
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National Review
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Published: Apr 9, 2007
Author: Raymond Ibrahim
Post Date: 2007-04-10 03:29:47 by mirage
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Comments: 82
All humans generally live according to some set of priorities. A person may make a priority of health, of pleasure, of study, of almost anything, really. But it is practically a law of nature that a person must make a priority of something. Even those who lead unstructured existences unconsciously live according to some set of unarticulated priorities, if only according to something so basic as the primal need for food, drink, and shelter. For many people, religious practice — striving to obey God’s commandments — is a high priority, the highest, even. Yet this priority can come into conflict with the character of the society in which one lives. This is undoubtedly the case for devout Muslims who voluntarily relocate to Western nations. This invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah (i.e., sharia — most of which is derived from the words and deeds of seventh-century Mohammad). Some of these Muslims arrive in the West and don’t want to compromise. Consider some recent news stories: A few Muslim cashiers working at Target stores in Minneapolis are refusing to scan customer purchases that may contain pork. Instead of swiping the products themselves — which is their job — they are inconveniencing the customers or fellow employees by having them do it. Muslim cab drivers have long been discriminating against customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. Officials at the St. Paul International Airport estimate that, on average, alcohol-bearing customers seeking cab rides are denied 77 times per month. Some blind customers have also been turned down on account of their seeing-eye dogs. Muslims in Seattle have requested (and been granted) regularly scheduled hours for their exclusive use of public pools; an all-Muslim-girls basketball team at a Chicago university demanded that men be barred from attending their matches; some 200 Muslim women signed a petition at a Michigan fitness center demanding separate workout times for men and women, or at least the erection of a screen divider between the men’s and women’s section (which was granted). All of these issues revolve around the Muslim desire to live according to Allah’s laws — which, among other things, ban contact with pigs, dogs, and alcohol, and have rigid social guidelines, especially concerning interaction between the sexes. From a religious point of view, the anti-social behavior of these Muslims can be, if not excused, then certainly understood. They are doing only what their religion commands them to do. And their refusal to compromise on these points demonstrates that adherence to the commandments of Islam is a priority of the utmost importance to them. However, if living in strict accordance to sharia is the first priority of some Muslims, one wonders: Why have they voluntarily come and immersed themselves in infidel countries that do not recognize sharia law and, indeed, allow many things that run counter to it, such as the selling and consumption of alcohol and pork and the liberal intermingling of the sexes? Most of the Muslim countries that Muslims abandon for the West are much more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle and uphold many if not all aspects of sharia law. Yet, each year, thousands of supposedly “ultra-devout” Muslims forsake these countries and, of their own free will, come and surround themselves with wine-imbibing, swine-eating libertines. Why? It is for the same reason that everyone else comes to the West — for the “good life.” They come in order to be prosperous and to enjoy opportunities, security, and equality the likes of which they could never have in their own countries (ruled quite often — no surprise — according to sharia). The vast majority of Muslims emigrating from the Islamic world do not leave due to necessity — say, oppression or starvation. No, they come to the infidel West solely to prosper materially. But why are Muslims of the “ultra-pious” variety seeking after material comfort in the first place — especially when doing so will almost certainly undermine their professed desire to live strictly according to the sharia? Coming to live in a democratic country composed of some 300 million infidels is bound to affect any Muslim’s observance of sharia. These pious Muslims risk coming into daily contact with, not only pork, alcohol, and dogs, but all sorts of other defilements: flamboyant homosexuals, scantily clad women (who are often in positions of authority!), gamblers and usurers, to name a few. Are they not concerned that they, or especially their children, might become contaminated by the licentious and seductive practices of the infidel West? If their priority is truly to strictly follow sharia, should they not remain in their Muslim countries of origin, which, if not as prosperous as the West, are definitely more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle? Or, could it be that, despite all the ruckus (and subsequent headlines) made by these Muslims, living in accordance to Allah and his sharia is not their first priority, after all? At least, not to the degree that they would be unwilling to put this priority at substantial risk for the sake of living the good life, in a strictly secular and materialistic sense. Furthermore, if common sense does not dissuade them from relocating to the West, the very sharia they claim to want to closely observe should. For instance, if pork and alcohol are condemned (e.g., Koran 5:4; 2:219), voluntarily living among infidels, idolaters, and atheists is looked on no better. The Koran declares: “O you who believe! Take neither Jews nor Christians as friends…whoever among you turns to them is one of them” (5:51). There are countless verses and traditions, in fact, that make it clear that Muslims are to be in a constant state of animosity toward non-Muslims, waging war through tongue and teeth in order to spread Islam, and, when finally in a position of superiority, discriminating against those who refuse to convert (see, for example, 3:28, 5:73, 5:17, 9:5, 9:25, etc). When the Meccans persisted in their unbelief, refusing to accept the prophet-hood — and subsequent authority — of Mohammad, he finally abandoned his kinsfolk with these parting words, which some Muslims believe still define the proper relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: “We [Muslims] disown you [non-Muslims] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — until you believe in Allah alone!” (60:40). So why are some Muslims making public scenes here in the United States over scanning bacon or transporting customers with sealed bottles of wine in their luggage while at the same time freely choosing to live with — and of course benefit from — those whom they are commanded to hate and wage war upon, or at the very least, disavow and be clean of? “Straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.
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Naw- just reichwinger hate mongering. Moslems have to be demonized. Not just "terrorists"- but all of them. The hate has to be for Moslems in general because the reichwingers have a lot of killing of innocents planned for the Moslem world.
This is the answer to the question. "Movin' on up..to the East side" to have the control to discriminate [as the Israelis do against everyone else in Israel.] In short, a quest to snatch power from the controlling culture, who, it seems, is more than willing to relinquish it, even though that power forcibly snatched it from those who came before.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Just more anti-Muslim propaganda to make us fear the ones residing in this country. As far as the quotes go, similar quotes can be found in the bible, but that doesn't mean all Christians or Jews focus on the more violent parts found throughout the bible. One could point out that the OT implies it's okey to own slaves, since it outlines how they are to be treated. I remember before Islam was such a big threat, when I lived in Houston for years where I encountered Muslims who lived there. They didn't impose their values on anyone, and I worked with an Iranian guy who I got to know who told me Islam teaches peace and wants people to obey God, he was not a wild-eyed fanatic but a very intellligent and kind person. No one was alarmed by their presence in our country, they were not known for commiting crimes, they were not seen as a threat and in fact there were many Saudis living there who were very strict in their beliefs but did not bother anyone. At the same time there was an ultra orthodox Jewish community who abided by strict laws as well, they also did not eat pork, did not drive on the Sabbath and so on, and like the Muslims they didn't bother anyone, they simply practiced what they believed and if anything just appeared to be a bit strange, as they dressed differently too. No one regarded them as a threat either. At that time there were no editorials being written about how Muslims will not mix, about how they have ways too strange, they were just seen as another culture out of many living in Houston. If anyone is to blame it should be our immigration authorities and our govt who have been importing all sorts of peoples of various cultures into our country for decades now and promoting multiculturalism. If they are going to do this they should not scapegoat innocent people who happen to be Muslim because of our current WOT.
If you want to single out a group out and make them an "other" all you have to do is cobble together a few anecdotes like this article does and then slub it off as being the norm. It isn't. The crap about the cab drivers "discriminating" against alcohol users and carriers for example. That was one anecdote from one city- which they attempt to pass off as some sort of endemic problem all over the country. It is a lie. And by the way- these cab drivers- IF they are refusing to transport users and carriers of alcohol - it is their effing business and that of the companies they work for. Funny how "conservatives" all of sudden ain't so happy about the free market when it comes to Islamics. If the most strict Islamic guy in the world comes here and lives his life according to sharia law and doesn't want to handle pork or drive alcohol users and grows a beard- and keeps company only of those who believe as he does- that is fucking business- hell- if he calls for America to become Islamic- that is his g-damn right. Now- if he engages in law breaking- that is something else entirely. But until then- NR should shut the fuck up and start to adhere to some of the principles they ONCE said they believed in. Pathetic cowards and Fearmongers.
You don't know what you're talking about. I owned and drove taxis for years, and there is not one "free-market" taxi in the United States. All are heavily regulated by the goverment. I guarantee you those airport taxis have a monopoly at the airport and outside taxis cannot sit there and pick up passengers. If calling an outside taxi is allowed, there is only one small area, probably enough for two cars, that they can come to. Then the caller has to find that area, which is usually located in a hard place to find. You're saying those customers have to stand there until a driver will take them. What if they don't want to take someone is a wheelchair? That's okay, right? These drivers should be fired.
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides
That's not how I take this article. I take it more as "We didn't have a lot of muslims until recently and now there are all these stories....so we're going to encourage them to assimilate and realize they are not in an Islamic country." That's not fearmongering. Its common sense. The article also acknowledges that the first duty of a muslim is to live according to the Koran -- but when that comes into conflict with society at large, who must 'give'? Do we tell the public they must accomodate the ultra-orthodox or do we tell the ultra-orthodox to accomodate the rules of society? That's my takeaway from this article. Obviously you are getting something different from it.
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Agreed. Multiculturalism is being utilized as a wedge in America through demonization of some groups and protection of others. Selective prosecutions, hate laws, and acts such as those permitted against the two border patrolmen for doing their jobs are a few of the ways that the controllers use your tax dollars to destroy the country. I read an article yesterday sent to me by a friend that details the deaths of a couple by a drunk illegal alien. The article mentioned that the drunk invader's "public defender" refused to comment on the case or the fact that his client had 14 prior arrests for DUI. Not only are "taxpayers" funding the housing, medical and food needs of illegals that could give a shit about our culture, they're paying for their lawyers too. My reply to my friend expressed my disdain for the system that should have its ass sued off for releasing this illegal alien threat to society repeatedly after someone in the system was convicted of negligent homicide. I then added that my friend should also be sued for financially supporting the system that failed so miserably and actually "CONTRIBUTED" to the deaths of these two innocent people.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
And this remark here, thrown in with no substantiation is suppose to make us think they are heartless as many of us love dogs. Muslims believe dogs are unclean, I read Mohammad did not like dogs so that became part of the religious beliefs, though dogs have been used in the mideast for herding and as seeing- eye dogs in modern times, they're just not allowed as pets among devout muslims. The National Review has turned into a neocon propaganda rag.
and ... WND, NEWSMAX.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
No- my "take away" from this article is that it is a fearmongering piece of gargabe designed specifically to arouse hatred and suspicion of ALL moslems with idiotic and selective quotes from the Koran and anecdotal boogeyman stories (Let's take a gander a the Talmud or the Rapture nutter bibles shall we?) and questions their motives for coming here (it clearly implies "they" are invading.) Here's the deal NR- if a Moslem breaks the law- prosecute him. Anything else? Deal with it. They don't have to change a fucking thing about themselves if they don't break the law. You don't like Moslems and how they live- don't deal with them. Don't ride in their cabs, don't go to their restaruants. It's called the market. Is this yet another principle "Conservatives" are pissing on- capitalism?
Call the cab company and get them fired. Don't cry to daddy government like a bitch liberal. And it ain't the fault of Moslems cabs are regulated by the goobermint.
The American Orthodox Jewish community asks for accommodation and usually gets it. I'm sure you all know what an "eruv" is, right? Santa Monica, CA recently agreed to erect an eruv so Jewish folks can enjoy the beach while following the holy commandment to "remain in their homes" (wink wink) on the sabbath! The study included the possibility that an eruv wire could prove hazardous to birds, but the "community" is willing to pay to minimize the risk. Of course if it becomes apparent that the risk cannot be completely eliminated or even minimized to acceptable levels, then the birds will have perish so Jews can go to the beach while remaining in their homes!(?) "NEWS FLASH! MAN EATEN BY SHARK IN HIS HOME (SORTA) ON SABBATH!" The day I see a news article that juxtaposes Muslims asking for accommodation along side the actual numbers and locations of existing eruvs in the country, then I'll consider the proper groundwork for fair discussion to be in place. Until then it's just another anti-Muslim hit piece. In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably be permitted to discriminate. Senor Yertle is correct too. If every cab on the airport stand is operated by an observant Muslim (and that is not only possible but on some days quite likely) then the effect is all customers observe sharia whether or not they are Muslim unless steps are taken to minimize abuse, such as firing the drivers. But, in the interest of balance ask yourselves this: What are the odds that a law would be passed to minimize abuse by religious Jews, or that a cab company would fire a Jew for such abuse of customers? And, how would those Muslim taxi drivers like it if there are special cab stands for customers who simply don't want to patronize schmucky Arabs? Imagine walking out of an airport terminal and seeing signs that read "Muslim taxis to the left others to the right"? How would observant Muslims feel about that, especially if news stories portrayed them as intolerant religious zealots and every non Muslim customer avoided them? They'd better be careful what they wish for because they may get it, and all that comes with it!
I actually knew some Jewish cab drivers (yes, Jews drive taxis). They never discriminated. None of us did, except when we thought the pick-up was dangerous. We had some Muslim drivers, too. They didn't discriminate, either. For one thing, they would have been fired for refusing to pick up a seeing-eye dog, or take someone who had booze in their groceries. There is also the fact the other drivers would have given them a really hard time. Very hard. Years ago, two American drivers were sitting in my back seat. Each weighed about 250 pounds. There was a tiny little Eithopian driver inbetween them, whose nickname was "Itty-Bitty." I looked at him, grinned at the drivers, and suggested we should cook and eat Itty-Bitty, although he wouldn't make much of a meal. He knew we were joking, but he was a little afraid of us. Generally, we policed ourselves. What's happening at that airport is a failure of everyone involved to police the situation. The other drivers, the government -- everyone.
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides
That was my thought when reading that article, the company probably wouldn't be too happy about that. Also the part about muslim cashiers at Target refusing to ring up pork, don't think that would go over with management too well either. That article was an obvious hit-piece. Also there are billions of Muslims in the world living in many countries with vastly different cultures. The article seems to want readers to think they are all dangerous Arabs.
ROTFLOL!!!
A few Christian pharmacists working in America are refusing to dispense Plan B-- "abortion in a pill". Ergo, they are obviously anti-American jew haters who want to take over America.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably become getaway drivers for ADL bombing missions or chauffers for elitist bankers.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
The stories I could tell you about driving a taxi. I had to keep a diary. I once picked up an old guy from the hospital who asked to smoke. I said sure, I don't mind. He lit a cigarette, took a big drag, then informed me his doctor had just told him he had lung cancer. But I'm not giving up, no sir, he told me. I got to stay around to torment the old lady! I burst out laughing. Couldn't stop, in fact.
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides
And the Zionist federal media keeps the anti-Muslim hit pieces coming. It is now common knowledge among the idiot American masses that had we not invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein and his fleet of ocean going battle camels would have landed in Jacksonville and would have conquered and controlled way past St. Louis by now.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
I've always thought that if someone tried to invade the U.S. they'd be met at the beach by 100,000 guys in pick-up trucks and after ten minutes the sand would be strewn with empty shotgun shells and beercans. Then everyone would go home.
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides
Unfortunately too many Americans actually believe this.
And they are impossible to reason with, as FOX news et al would not lie to them.
You and I know that would happen--and if the battle went any distance inland, there'd be a American ambush wainting behind every bush, wall, tree and rock. Here is a question: would, then, those of us Americans be called "insurgents?"
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
Danny Glover's campaign in NYC was because blacks have trouble flagging cabs but, most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans don't tip and they commit the majority of assaults and robberies. If I saw an eekwal waiting to head up to 139th street and a businessman with luggage I'd take the airport run over the Harlem trip. Could you blame me? Even if I don't get tipped at the airport (which is unlikely unless that passenger is black too) I probably wouldn't be robbed or murdered when I arrive. But, Harlem is dangerous and the cops attitude seems to be, "Hey you drive a cab so you should expect it".
“Straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities. I'm always amused when someone criticizes the devout for trying to find a path to God, which is, after all, our highest calling in life. I mean, really. Isn't it offensive when some Jew refuses to take off his beanie and walks around with curls on the side of his head and refuses to eat anything you offer him because it isn't "kosher"? I mean, what's up with that? And isn't it inconvenient when some foreigner Boodist shaves his head and wears a weird robe and sandals even in winter time, and they won't even step on a cockroach? A lousy cockroach! Or when some flaky Amish chick want to wear headscarves and hand woven clothes and won't drink soda or even drive in a car? But she still shows up at Wal- Mart, doesn't she? Or when some Baptist weirdo won't have a beer like normal people? I mean, these fuckin' weirdos who won't blend in and stuff. They got the wrong priorities, man.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Absolutely on target.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Most people charged with crimes in this country get either court appointed lawyers or public defenders. You prefer a system without them? Fine. Get ready to build even more prisons.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Here is a question: would, then, those of us Americans be called "insurgents?" If an invasion comes from without, you can bet that it will be with the full support of our national Vichy government, and that it will be US draftees who are going up into the hills of tennessee after patriots. And yes, they will call us "insurgents".
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I agree. I am not impressed by their religious and social intolerances any more then those of cops who steal people's pipes and plants and allow liquor stores to remain unmolested.
I gotta wonder what is wrong with you. Did your parents drop you on your head? Were you raised in some throwback hillbilly white trash Atlanta Ghetto? What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere? This is just flamebait from a keyboard bigot who wouldn't have the courage to say something so deeply offensive in front of his target audience. I'm embarrassed for you.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Actually, I consider that a courtesy.
Remember the movie Groundhog Day? Good flick. What if instead of waking up over and over to the same day, time went on, but everyone in the town suffered from a recurring amnesia? And what if instead of falling in love, Bill Murray's protagonist wanted to be mayor? That'd be a neat movie.
Gets my respect. Plenty of people think like that all the time, producing heavy self-regulatory activity in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. That section of the brain is heavily involved in Newspeak. A man who doesn't need "respect" is a dangerous dawg. All that has to happen is for him to not get struck by lightning, and he undermines the Prevailing Righteousness. Friend of a friend uses the n-word all the time. This bothered my friend's wife a lot. She got all in a huff over it, and the guy liked to tweak her. One day she screamed at him, and he slightly relented: "O.K., O.K. I promise I won't use it around your black friends." (Which of course just made her madder. :)
Remember the movie Groundhog Day? Good flick. What if instead of waking up over and over to the same day, time went on, but everyone in the town suffered from a recurring amnesia? And what if instead of falling in love, Bill Murray's protagonist wanted to be mayor? That'd be a neat movie.
What n-word?
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Without public defenders / yes ... without Illegals / yes, that too !!! Public Defenders are known as public pretenders for very good reason. Our judicial system is way broke, there is no justice for the common people and to imply otherwise is disingenuous.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Allah needs to lighten up on his followers - they deserve a break.
OR ... they don't have to live here. They weren't born here, they are guests even if they become citizens. Their citizenship is based upon the privilege granted to them by a federal judge. People born here have a "birthright". There is a major difference.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
As they should be; they are "passenger cars." Now, the question you need to ask is why does your state issued certificate of title bear the term "passenger car" when you do NOT haul passengers for profit? Write DMV (or the state agency which issues those registrations) and ask them why they have falsified the records. BTW, falsification of records is a federal crime under Title 18 United States Code.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
It's also a state crime in every state of the union !!!
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Our judicial system is way broke, there is no justice for the common people and to imply otherwise is disingenuous. So better they have no defense at all? Did you know that it was public defenders who got cases re-tried or investigated and exonerated something like five death row guys in Illinois? That's five guys who'd be dead under your "non-disingenuous" system. The reason they call Public Defenders "Public Pretenders" is because it rhymes. And it's cute. And private lawyers profit from the notion. Public defenders are under paid and have a higher caseload than private lawyers, so in some areas they lose more cases. But you want to see real incompetence? Look at the leaches who get on the private bar appointment lists who sleep through capital cases. As for the illegals, I'm all for closing the borders. But nobody in the political world seems to have either the clout or the balls to do it.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Time for RICO suits to begin. Failing that, the solution will come from the muzzles of our rifles, and some good stout rope.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
The difference is between the person who follows his path without dragging people along with him -- and those who wish to drag everyone with him. Prohibition is a fine example of Baptists dragging everyone else along for the ride. Is that "just fine" or is it not?
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Prohibition is a fine example of Baptists dragging everyone else along for the ride. Is that "just fine" or is it not? It wasn't just the Baptists. It was a lot of other denominations, too, as well as a lot of "liberal" better-society types and temperance leagues and all that stuff, too. I'm against prohibition of alchohol for some of the same reasons I'm against the prohibition of nearly all recreational drugs. Because prohibition has in the past proven a deadly failure; and in the present it is proving itself a deadly failure. Also, Christ himself drank, and so did all of the apostles (presumably responsibly, although who knows, they didn't have cars ...) so it seems kind of weird for any Christian to be pushing for the prohibition of alcohol. But the prohibitions rammed down our throats by the Baptists were passed through democratically and politically; so I don't see them in the same light as someone imposing the Khoran or Sharia or Talmud or Paul's laws on us; not to say there wasn't a relationship there, for there certainly was; but freedom is a tricky business. It's hard to consistently favor freedom when that means you have to let other people be "free" to advocate for lessening the very freedom that permits them to speak. Or to freely practice their wacky religion.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Traditionally, "Tolerance" meant not killing the guy living next to you because he was different - you let him do whatever he wanted (except capital crimes, of course) behind closed doors. Granted, it is usually a small minority who gets in other peoples' faces, but should not the same general societal rules be for everyone? Thus, I'm amazed at the people on this thread who are saying "All Jews are evil and all Muslims are good" - this is stupid. There are idiots in every group and extremists in every group. There are both good and bad to be found everywhere. So what's with the lobotomy? Why is the brain shutting down and not realizing that simple fact of reality?
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There are both good and bad to be found everywhere. So what's with the lobotomy? Why is the brain shutting down and not realizing that simple fact of reality? We're being bombarded by strange ideas, and many of them are contradictory. We are told that a left wing conspiracy is ramming fascism down our throats in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity"; and tolerance and diversity become dirty words associated with the all-time dirty word, "liberal". Or there's the dreaded "multiculturalism" being foisted on us poor, unsuspecting victims... I call bullshit. If you look up tolerance and read the definition, it really doesn't have much of a downside. If you look up diversity, liberal and multiculturalism, there's not much there that a true blue American raised in the spirit of liberty and the melting pot could disagree with much. You are right about the lobotomy, though. And it's frightening. A large group of people have been lobotomized into thinking that torture is okay, pre-emptive war is just fine, and all Muslims should be atomized. People are okay with cops kicking in doors, tasering people to death, prison without trials, etc, etc... I think if the founding fathers had possessed a crystal ball and could have seen what the American people would become, they'd have blown off the whole "revolution" thing. Why bother to put themselves through the agony of it if we were ultimately to become a nation no freer than Britain under George III? If they'd known we'd be installing an elected dynasty to the throne of America, and that the people would be willingly putting the noose of Empire and militarism around their own necks, I think they'd have despaired of the whole undertaking.
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I gotta wonder what is wrong with you. Did your parents drop you on your head? Were you raised in some throwback hillbilly white trash Atlanta Ghetto? What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere? This is just flamebait from a keyboard bigot who wouldn't have the courage to say something so deeply offensive in front of his target audience. I'm embarrassed for you. Your shrieks of simulated outrage are duly noted, counselor.
"What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere?"__bluedogtxn
So is your ridiculous race-baiting bullshit, Klansman.
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There is an open conspriacy to shove things down our throats. Fortunately, in America, things tend to be done out in the open - and it is now a free-for-all :) Traditional "diversity and multiculturalism" was to take the best from everywhere and assimilate it. The modern version is balkanization where communities are encouraged to NOT assimilate. America used to think of herself as having a common language. We are now told by many people that is a bad idea. America used to think of herself as being "one people" - Americans - but from everywhere. Now we have "Irish-Americans" and "African-Americans" and "Jewish-Americans" and "Mexican-Americans" -- there are no plain old "Americans" anymore. America used to be a meritocracy. Nowadays you win the jackpot if you are born with a particular heritage and hue. You get bonus points if you're also female and gay. America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance. These days, "progressives" tell us that is no longer needed and that society as a whole needs to take care of everyone as opposed to what we used to do, which was to encourage people to take care of themselves. The extreme right wing wants to disassemble ALL of the safety nets due to how they have evolved and been misused. Historically, everyone has always known there are homosexuals. Historically, they kept it to themselves. Nowadays, it is considered 'chic' to throw it in peoples' faces. OF COURSE there is backlash when that happens, its just common sense to expect that when throwing something in someone's face. So now we get EVERYONE throwing EVERYTHING in EVERYONE's faces and EVERYONE is pissed off as a result. I don't understand how we got from being a polite society to "celebrate ME and you're damned to hell if you don't think like I do!" (which is what 'celebrate diversity' really means in its modern usage) I've been trying to figure out what the actual "line" was where common sense and individuality was and where collectivism and the tyranny of the minority started taking over and the best I can come up with is it was a slow boil for the frog. Maybe I'll never understand, but I'll never give up trying to understand it.
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America used to think of herself as being "one people" - Americans - but from everywhere. Now we have "Irish-Americans" and "African-Americans" and "Jewish-Americans" and "Mexican-Americans" -- there are no plain old "Americans" anymore. America used to be a meritocracy. Nowadays you win the jackpot if you are born with a particular heritage and hue. You get bonus points if you're also female and gay. America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance. These days, "progressives" tell us that is no longer needed and that society as a whole needs to take care of everyone as opposed to what we used to do, which was to encourage people to take care of themselves. The extreme right wing wants to disassemble ALL of the safety nets due to how they have evolved and been misused. Heh. When was that? We've had German language schools and Greek schools and Italian language schools and even German, French, Cajun and Spanish speaking towns continuously since the birth of the nation. We've always thought of ourselves as "one people", but we've always also said, "except for them dirty Krauts or them unwashed Micks or them nasty Niggers or them awful greasers or those filthy Cajuns or them damn Yankees or them damn rednecks or them lousy kikes or godless Coolies..." There's never been a time in our history when we didn't have a class of second class citizens or "guest workers" or "illegals" or "resident aliens" within our borders. So don't gimme that "one people" crap. We've got our castes, too. "America used to be a meritocracy?" That's a joke, right? Because up until recently if you were born with a particular heritage and hue (a WASP), you won the jackpot. Now that heritage and hue have changed to a different set of heritages and hues; but we've always had our aristocracy, too. They've passed congressional and senate seats back and forth for more than two centuries. "America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance"... We still do. The difference is that we no longer seem to be able to tolerate the fact that a lot of people are congenitally neither self-sufficient nor self-reliant, and will starve or wind up homeless or die of disease or starvation. In the words of Christ, "the poor we will always have with us". A bunch of crazy "progressives" want to actually put these people in shelters or feed them or give them (gasp) free medical care; while good solid Americans want them freezing in the streets or dying in gutters or begging at the back doors of churches or dumpster diving like they used to. Back in the good ole days. I'm not trying to diminish what you've posted, but you've posited an America that never existed. Are we simmering frogs? Probably, but I'd suggest to you that the causes are the growth of government, the growth of the military industrial complex and intelligence secret government and the imminent death of our constitution. Trotting out liberalism and tolerance and diversity as bogeymen when the real threat is tyranny, militarism and fascism is at best a distraction, at worst it pits friends of liberty against each other.
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What I describe is what we were becoming in the 1960s before the "Great Society" took hold. At that point, things veered off in the Collectivist direction. I'm not saying we should throw people into the snowbank, but down in California, there were welfare people living better than I did. The average "housing voucher" in San Jose' in 2000 was $2200 a month. I lived in a $900 dive apartment. Likewise, "public housing" officials in San Diego put up an oceanfront apartment complex claiming "Why should only the rich enjoy the good life?" You can do the math on the rest. Like all movements, once the activists win, they can't leave it alone and the movement is hijacked by more radical elements and becomes a mockery of itself by pushing things too far.
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This is certainly true, but the "Great Society" stuff LBJ launched was about the only good thing he did. Has welfare gone too far? Probably, although Clinton brought back good old fashioned miserliness with his conservative welfare reforms. My point was that the social safety net or the lack thereof is a sliding scale kind of thing along which there will always be contentious disagreement. What should concern us, I think, is less about how many folks are on welfare or how much they get and more about the destruction of our fragile constitutional democracy and its replacement with an increasingly inherited monarchy or empire.
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Of concern should simply be how much money is being spent on programs. Right now more than half of the Federal Budget is spent on entitlements, transfer payments, and other such social subsidy. Just to correct, Clinton vetoed the Republican Congress' "welfare reform" three times before finally signing it and then claimed credit for it. Clinton did not want to touch the system as it was. To go back, yes, there were German speaking schools in the past, but generally they were private schools. Nowadays we have that in the public schools, which is an error in terms of giving kids what they need to get ahead. Given that I have a lot of family who are schoolteachers, I could go on about education for years and not even scratch the surface. IMO, the system will collapse in on itself as more and more money is diverted to useless activities and will therefore be a self-correcting problem albeit with a lot of pain in the interim. With peak oil, massive population growth, and crushing debt, I don't see too much additional expansion (read: not more than 50 years) before things correct of their own accord. So, for me, I'm not worried. I'm more concerned about people who have based their plans on the system as opposed to themselves. A few good energy shocks and interest rate hikes will cause a heck of a lot of pain. Fortunately, silly arguments tend to vanish when bad times hit.
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We could go round and round about who initiated welfare reform and who stole the credit for it. I think that Newt and his boys took credit for what was basically a Clinton reform, but either way, what resulted was a very much reformed system that is still in effect today. Many people were dropped from welfare rolls due to this reform. As for the growth in "entitlements" you don't get anywhere near half the federal budget unless you throw social security into the mix, and that's something that we've all paid into as workers; with the expectation that we'd get some back. That ain't welfare and it ain't transfer payments; it's deferred compensation.
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So is your ridiculous race-baiting bullshit, Klansman. Tell me, do you agree with christine's post or not? Your reply will go a long way as a qualifier when you lecture us on the lost principles of Americanism. And, for the sake of argument, what will you do when someday your skin color is your uniform, and all those soul bruthas you railroaded into prison don't think of you as fondly as you do them? I hope you have some young, juicy daughters to give them to prove your bone fides. Otherwise, you'll be classified as just another hypocritical "liberal" who doesn't mind throwing welfare and food stamps (and public defenders) at them but don't want them to move in next door or marry your daughter(s). (PS: This is your cue to piously proclaim that you wouldn't mind if your daughter marries a darkie. Please do that for me, will you? I ddouble ddawg ddare you! HAH!)
"What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere?"__bluedogtxn
Toss about four fifths of the military budget in there, and you and I are on the same page, I think.
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"Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the three contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another." Absolutely. But if you are foolish enough to think that you can drop N-bombs here and not encounter a "challenge, debate, argument" with your use of them, you are out of your mind. you ask: "What will you do when someday your skin color is your uniform, and all those soul bruthas you railroaded into prison don't think of you as fondly as you do them?" Are you nuts? Are you predicting the takeover of America by "soul-bruthas" and "darkies"? Because that's just more silly, reactionary racist crap. The "darkies" have about as much chance of taking over as the Chinese do, which is nil. If you want to fear someone because of their ethnicity, you'd do better to fear Hispanics, frankly. You say that: "This is your cue to piously proclaim that you wouldn't mind if your daughter marries a darkie. Please do that for me, will you? I ddouble ddawg ddare you! HAH!" and that this is my cue to "prove my liberal credentials". Okay, I'll take that dare. If my daughter marries a "darkie" and he's smart, ambitious, going somewhere, and treats her and my wife and the rest of my family with respect, I'll support the marriage 100%. If he's ignorant, going nowhere, close minded or an anti-Christian, then I'll oppose it. And I don't care how white, smart, ambitious or pious he is, if he drops a single N-bomb in my house or in front of me, I'll vehemently oppose the marriage. Because that's a word that was vile in Mark Twain's day no less than it is vile today, and anyone who thinks it is appropriate usage is an idiot, be he black, white or whatever. And I have two young, fine, beautiful and intelligent daughters, neither one of whom is "juicy". And anyone who'd call them juicy to my face would get a definite and unmistakeable response.
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Since Social Security funds were diverted by LBJ into the general fund and the Supremes have ruled that FICA is "just another tax" and that there are no rights to Social Security -- it has to be viewed as just another line-item in the Federal Budget. Alas, that's the world we live in. Increasing spending on entitlements and silliness. Less spending on things that make a difference and catering to the lowest common denominator. Check your local school budget for details. Pay close attention to "special needs" and "special education" for a real shock. Also, get the figures on 504 and IEP. It'll blow your mind.
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Richard Perle, David Wurmser, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, and Paul Wolfowitz (just to name a few) are not Arabs ... what is with the lobotomy ?
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Not a whole lot of Arabs in this crowd, either: PNAC, ADL, ACLU, AIPAC, NAACP, JINSA, AEI, SPLC, the federal media and Hollywood. But, nnnnooooo, its the Arabs and thier ocean going battle camels we all need to worry about. They want to take US over.
Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.
And those are not all of a single group of people either :-)
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Back when it was this way, people also thought it was important to look after one another. Members of communities helped one another out, when someone built a house others pitched in to help. When someone else built their house, the others would recipricate and pitch in. We now live in times of extreme selfishness, though as you pointed out the govt system of tax funded safety nets has been abused. But we've gone from one extreme to the other. Things worked best when communities looked after their own, when independence was encouraged but people were willing to take turns helping out one another, through barter, helping each other build homes and other buildings, families taking in their elderly members to care for them, watching each other's children when there was a need, etc, because they wanted to, because they cared about each other, that system worked best IMO. Now it's dog eat dog and each man for himself and to hell with everyone else.
What I just described was fairly common pre-1920s, it went downhill from there.
For some perhaps. I take care of my mom as best I can. There isn't anyone else. If/when it comes time for me to have kids, I'm getting a herding dog as a failsafe and those kids will be able to field-strip an AR15 before they hit grade school most likely.
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As one who has had to listen to more than his share of angry Islamic taxi drivers pissing and moaning about everything they hate about America, I second your post. There is no other group of immigrants remotely close to them in their obnoxiousness. If they don't want to take the next traveler, they shouldn't work the airport. Go work the mosques if they're too good for some travelers. I do not believe in Muslim bashing, but no group demands as much as delivers as little, when it comes to immigrating groups.
That is really commendable, and all too rare anymore. May you be blessed with a loving wife and many children for a herding dog to guard over!!
That kind of talk always troubles me. The highest calling of man is to create his replacement and get that person to adulthood. God? Who is that but an excuse for the beliefs a person holds? And how does being a complete ass on earth pursuing some dogma make one in pursuit of God?
Allah needs to get off the camel, get out of the 7th century, and join the world of 2007. God is a creation of men, and that's why Allah is a nervous, sexually inadequate man who guards women like cattle. Religion is the carrier and bigotry is the disease.
Good post. I have a long practice of giving to community causes, but I like to see some effort on the part of those who raise such funds. I'll buy a grossly overpriced brisket or cake to support the local library or heritage group. I'll buy ridiculously overpriced candy, cookies, and mags from students who want to raise money for that trip or those playoffs. But don't let me see them begging at the intersection. That riles me. What kind of parent teaches their child that we raise money for summer camp by begging for it?!
Why? Really, why bother? If God is an invention of man, and there is no divinity behind our movement forward or backward or wherever, then why bother replacing myself? All of this world and all of its people will eventually perish and for nothing, if there is no God and nothing beyond this world. You can't fight entropy, ultimately, and a day or a billion billion years, what's the difference if the story has neither plot nor purpose? No, I'll take comfort in my house of superstition and light, thanks. I find the spaces you create with nothing to be rather cold and dark.
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You think you're pursuing God. I think you're akin to the dog chasing his tail. We disagree on what it means to find God, or what God is. Finding God to me means losing your pretentions, among them religion and the curious belief that God needs us to praise him.
I agree that finding God means losing pretentions. I don't think God needs us to praise him, either. But religion has a purpose, which includes finding God. I'd commend to you the first four books of the New Testament, read with an open mind. And I'd submit to you that Christ, were he alive today, would be crucified all over again in America.
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I gotta wonder what is wrong with you. Did your parents drop you on your head? Were you raised in some throwback hillbilly white trash Atlanta Ghetto? What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere? This is just flamebait from a keyboard bigot who wouldn't have the courage to say something so deeply offensive in front of his target audience. I'm embarrassed for you. Oh, come on, bluedog, don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction and an unnecessary personal attack of HOUNDDAWG? The truth of the matter is, there are niggers just like there's wiggers and white trash! Bet you a majority of blacks themselves would say this is so. Seems you're capitulating to the PC bullshit which, frankly, surprises me.
There aren't any "niggers". When I was a kid the only word I could say that would AUTOMATICALLY and no appeal earn me a whuppin' was "nigger". Oh, I could say the F word or GD or even MF and appeal to my dad's mercy or say something to get out of getting the belt on my ass, but if I said "nigger" it was the belt. Period. I didn't understand then, but I understand now. First of all, it's a cheap damn shot. If I call you a MF, you can call me one back. But if I'm white and I call you a dirty name that means black, you can't call me the same thing back. So it's a cheap, dirty, unfair thing to say. Secondly, it says more about me than it says about you. It says that I'm stupid enough to use that kind of language in modern times like I'm some throwback to pre-civil rights era thinking. I'm essentially admitting I'm no more intelligent or educated than some dumbass cracker like Bull Connor. Which would be a piss-poor reflection on my father, ergo, the belt. Finally, it's a put down of an entire race of people with absolutely no basis in fact. Kinda like what launched the holocaust, and my dad's dad had to go and kill a bunch of the Nazis' allies in the Pacific and his uncle had to go kill a bunch of Nazis, and we didn't need to go starting all that ignorant crap up. I've argued this before about Imus. It wasn't a question of "free speech" It was a matter of "stupid speech". And stupid speech gets no protection from me.
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I understand that this is your personal pet peeve in light of your father's strong feeling about that word. HOUNDDAWG obviously doesn't share that sentiment. The fact that he did use it, somewhat in jest, doesn't mean there's something "wrong with him" or that his mother dropped him on his head! You said elsewhere that this is an issue which is turning friends in liberty against each other. You're right about that. I'm seeing it occur on several threads. It's a shame.
Fair enough. I probably did over-react. I just can't stand that word. Really crawls up my psychic ass, if you know what I mean. Peace, HOUNDDAWG. Sorry if I jumped all over you without cause.
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awwwww..well done. ;)
Thank you. And I apologize for my unkind responses. I have a problem with forbidden words, particularly since the restrictions apply only to whites of Euro descent. It is my belief that if we allow others to control the dialectic we will have lost the battle to restore America's greatness before we ever begin. And, America cannot be reclaimed without due credit to the dominant culture and race. One need not be a "hater" a "Nazi" or Triple K Klub member to recognize that the Euro work ethic and intelligence coupled with the radical idea of govt as servant and people as sovereign are from great Euro minds who would not allow others to control them to the extent we are oppressed today. Just as the anti slavery movement is white in its origin and would not exist without us so is the idea of "if the truth hurts then let it hurt because only the truth can make you free". (Jeff Cooper) And when I see whites ask again and again "How come there's a Black America pageant but no such thing as an exclusive "White America" pageant?" Or, "How come they can call themselves nig...." you know the rest, I want to tell them that the first thing they must do is free themselves of self imposed mental shackles and refuse to respect PC standards that apply to whites only. And this by necessity requires irreverance from me. I've written newspaper columns (yes, I've had three columns in small papers in the past) about the contributions made by George Washington Carver, Lewis Latimer (the only African American member of THE EDISON PIONEERS) and other great African American minds. But, I also mentioned that there are few if any exceptional blacks in the sciences today, and it seems that they only rise to prominence in sports, entertainment, politics, and fields that require no dispelling of racial stereotypes. (Exactly as promised by Israel Cohen at the World Communist Congress meeting in 1898) This means that the top spots for black "leaders" can be occupied by mediocre individuals and they are poor role models. Not only because of their lack of intellectual rigor but because they tend to embrace and teach that "white racism" is the reason for failure rather than their own character deficits. For instance, David Horowitz wrote TEN REASONS WHY REPARATIONS IS A BAD IDEA AND RACIST, TOO. In it he pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equivalent to whites while American born blacks can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity. The reason for this is obvious in my view. Many American born blacks flip out at the slightest indication that I and others like me don't adore them. Your reinforcement of that outrage only hurts and cripples them further. At the risk of offending you or your dear father, liberals like to feel that "those people down there need our help" and this is the very systemic racism that we heretics justifiably criticize. If you really want to improve things for the downtrodden why don't you attack the system that imprisons so many poor blacks while allowing white children of privilege to slip the noose again and again? If you simply "do your best" defending them in court but never attack the system its self, then your energy expended on people like me could be better directed. Of course that would involve some risk. Your profession takes a dim view of such heresy. William Kunstler created a novel defense known as Black Rage Syndrome and unsuccessfully used it to defend Colin Ferguson. He was attempting to justify a killing spree because many blacks won't work hard to overcome obstacles and would rather seize on excuses to stay down. Your attacking me kinda puts you in the Kunstler camp, doesn't it? And, until you and others can inspire them to be better citizens and stop being professional victims and career criminals, then don't criticize me for my reluctance to abandon the death penalty for racist blacks who commit depraved murders for obvious racial reasons. (Ferguson left CA where he purchased the firearm and went to NY because he didn't want to be executed for his planned murder spree of whites. And, there's an excellent chance he'd have drawn return fire in CA, but little chance of that in NYC) And if you must challenge capital punishment then do so on the grounds that career prosecutors who err in convicting the wrong defendants seldom admit error, and that is why the chances of executing innocent people may be great. Not because we whites on the juries are "racist". The day I see a guest column in a newspaper from you naming a prosecutor who wrongly convicted a death row defendant and a judge who wrongly allowed the trial to proceed then that's the day I'll give you leave to criticize me for my lack of respect for your views on proper conduct in a civilized society. It's not enough that the media won't even report on heinous murders like those committed by The Carr Bros, but they trumpet the James Byrd dragging and maximize the white guilt with it and others like it. When you attacked me you aligned yourself with the media that for whatever reason feels that blacks need to be protected from the truth about themselves. And, it's also the reason why you believe that the Nazis simply decided to attack Jews one day for no reason at all. Although there is no justification for the treatment of millions who were targeted by Hitler, there were many reasons for resentment of Jews in Germany at that time. A hundred million people lost their lives in the 20th century because of Jewish inspired communism, and we can't even say that in polite company today. And the best example of why is you; an educated professional who isn't even aware of it and would likely savage anyone who said it, and that's exactly the way they want it to be. Does that mean that your father and uncle were dupes who fought for the wrong reasons? Millions of people think so. AND, BTW, the Japanese had legit grievances, too. But, American politicos and Jewish interests needed them to attack us because the people would not sign off on our entry into WWII without provocation. The parallels with the wars today are disturbingly similar.) You don't really want to align yourself with them and champion American patriotism, too. To do so is evidence of political schizophrenia in my view. And, thank you to others who spoke up when bluedogtxn reduced me to an ugly cultural stereotype.
outstanding and heartfelt
Thank you!
Who let THE DAWG out?!! woof! woof! woof! Put me down as a co-signer.
Thank you. Just put your paw print right here then. What, you don't have paws? Well, I guess I'll have to rig some method to accommodate the handicapped... ;)
I've got a different take on a lot of this, as you might imagine. First of all, as to the word "nigger". My dad grew up in the Civil Rights movement. Prior to that movement, there was genuine discrimination, by law, against blacks. Blacks did not use the word "nigger" to describe each other, whites used it exclusively. And it didn't apply just to the "nigger" negros, it applied to anyone whose skin was a shade too dark or whose hair a tad too curly. My grandfather, who was half Cherokee, was briefly stationed in California prior to his departure to kill Japs. He was mistaken, by some dumbfuck cracker, for an African American because of his dark complexion, and if he hadn't been in the company of his squadmates, who both vouched for him and were ready to kick ass on his behalf, he would likely have taken a beating. It's a dirty word. It has no valid use, neither by the dumbfuck blacks who've decided to adopt it and use it for each other, nor by the whites who aren't aware of what was done under the banner of teaching the "niggers" their place. Strange fruit didn't blossom on southern trees and tires weren't set on fire in Oklahoma and in Texas because the blacks hanged and necklaced had all done something to warrant it. Whites weren't acquitted in the trial of murdered blacks because they were factually innocent. There was no underlying "truth" about blacks that they need protection from or that we all need to really understand. They were murdered and abused and discriminated against because the people doing it weren't interested in any "truth". They were interested in kicking the crap out of the next low dog on the totem pole because of his status or skin color, and that's it. They abused them because everyone wants to abuse someone, and it was allowed. As for the Nazis and the Jews, there were plenty of reasons for the German non- Jews to be angry at certain Jews. The financiers, the backers of the Kaiser's undermining in WWI, the godawful influence between the wars, and of course, the commies. But communism wasn't purely inspired by Judaism or by Jews. Just as we have cause to be angry with certain Jews; the AIPAC crew, the Neocons pimping war, the financiers behind the Federal Reserve. There are plenty of good ole' white folks in bed with them, however, and none of it would justify going after the ordinary Jewish dude in the street. And sure, Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japs into attacking us, and knew full well that they'd have no choice. But the Japs were already invading a lot of other countries in the name of empire and they were hardly fucking innocents. Plus, the way they fought us, with quarter rarely given and torture openly practiced and a lot of other barbaric shit, real Soviet-style and Nazi- style savagery, I don't shed any tears for the fucking Japs. And you can't lay all that shit off on the Jews, either. There were plenty of non-Jewish Walker- Bush type folks that wanted to make that happen, too. As for writing a "guest column" criticizing a prosecutor for wrongful convictions and a judge for bias, who do you think you are talking to? I've appealed wrongful convictions as lead counsel and gotten them reversed. I've actually worked with the project innocence people in Illinois in reversing death penalties; including bringing a Wisconsin man home after years on death row. You want me to write a fucking editorial to get street cred with you? I have actually helped to save a man's life, and I didn't have to write the editorials that followed. I've also helped to prosecute a death penalty case myself, for a guy who rode the spike over ten years ago. I didn't always oppose the death penalty, that's a position I came to after years of soul-searching and religious study. And it's a position I hold mainly for religious reasons. You get mad because you think I've taken the complicated facts around who you are and pigeonholed you into a box because you feel okay dropping the N-word. You were right, I did that, and I apologized for it. But don't think for a second that gives you license to turn around and put me in a similar "people like you" or "liberal" or whatever box also.
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"What Do Muslims Want?"
There are countless verses and traditions, in fact, that make it clear that Muslims are to be in a constant state of animosity toward non- Muslims, waging war through tongue and teeth in order to spread Islam, and, when finally in a position of superiority, discriminating against those who refuse to convert
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#3. To: mirage, Burkeman1, IndieTX (#0)
“We [Muslims] disown you [non-Muslims] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — until you believe in Allah alone!” (60:40).
#4. To: Diana (#3)
#5. To: Burkeman1 (#4)
And by the way- these cab drivers- IF they are refusing to transport users and carriers of alcohol - it is their effing business and that of the companies they work for. Funny how "conservatives" all of sudden ain't so happy about the free market when it comes to Islamics.
#6. To: Burkeman1 (#1)
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
I owned and drove taxis for years, and there is not one "free-market" taxi in the United States. All are heavily regulated by the goverment.
#8. To: Burkeman1 (#4)
Some blind customers have also been turned down on account of their seeing-eye dogs.
#9. To: Diana (#8)
The National Review has turned into a neocon propaganda rag.
#10. To: mirage (#6)
#11. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
#12. To: mirage, Diana, Burkeman1, IndieTX, Yertle Turtle, noone222 (#0)
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All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.
#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)
In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably be permitted to discriminate.
#14. To: YertleTurtle, Burkeman1, mirage, HOUNDDAWG, noone222 (#13)
We had some Muslim drivers, too. They didn't discriminate, either. For one thing, they would have been fired for refusing to pick up a seeing-eye dog, or take someone who had booze in their groceries.
#15. To: YertleTurtle (#13)
Years ago, two American drivers were sitting in my back seat. Each weighed about 250 pounds. There was a tiny little Eithopian driver inbetween them, whose nickname was "Itty-Bitty." I looked at him, grinned at the drivers, and suggested we should cook and eat Itty-Bitty, although he wouldn't make much of a meal. He knew we were joking, but he was a little afraid of us.
#16. To: Diana, mirage, IndieTX (#3)
A few Muslim cashiers working at Target stores in Minneapolis are refusing to scan customer purchases that may contain pork.
#17. To: YertleTurtle (#13)
In fact if Jewish taxi drivers found it objectionable to transport liquor or seeing eye animal companions, they'd probably be permitted to discriminate.
#18. To: Diana (#15)
ROTFLOL!!!
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG, Diana (#12)
Until then it's just another anti-Muslim hit piece.
#20. To: wbales (#19)
ocean going battle camels
#21. To: wbales (#19)
It is now common knowledge among the idiot American masses that had we not invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein and his fleet of ocean going battle camels would have landed in Jacksonville and would have conquered and controlled way past St. Louis by now.
#22. To: wbales (#19)
#23. To: YertleTurtle (#20)
U.S. they'd be met at the beach by 100,000 guys in pick-up trucks
#24. To: YertleTurtle, mirage, Diana, Burkeman1, IndieTX, noone222 (#13)
I actually knew some Jewish cab drivers (yes, Jews drive taxis). They never discriminated. None of us did, except when we thought the pick-up was dangerous.
#25. To: mirage (#0)
Author: Raymond Ibrahim...
#26. To: Burkeman1 (#4)
But until then- NR should shut the fuck up and start to adhere to some of the principles they ONCE said they believed in. Pathetic cowards and Fearmongers.
#27. To: noone222 (#7)
Not only are "taxpayers" funding the housing, medical and food needs of illegals that could give a shit about our culture, they're paying for their lawyers too
#28. To: wbales (#23)
You and I know that would happen--and if the battle went any distance inland, there'd be a American ambush wainting behind every bush, wall, tree and rock.
#29. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
"These drivers should be fired."
#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans
#31. To: bluedogtxn (#25)
Isn't it offensive when some Jew refuses to take off his beanie and walks around with curls on the side of his head and refuses to eat anything you offer him because it isn't "kosher"?
#32. To: bluedogtxn, HOUNDDAWG (#30)
What on earth makes you think that posting "nig... I mean African Americans" is going to gain you anything but scorn from anyone anywhere?
#33. To: Tauzero (#32)
Friend of a friend uses the n-word all the time.
#34. To: bluedogtxn (#27)
You prefer a system without them?
#35. To: mirage (#0)
All of these issues revolve around the Muslim desire to live according to Allah’s laws — which, among other things, ban contact with pigs, dogs, and alcohol,...
#36. To: lodwick (#35)
Allah needs to lighten up on his followers - they deserve a break.
#37. To: YertleTurtle, Burkeman1 (#5)
there is not one "free-market" taxi in the United States. All are heavily regulated by the goverment.
#38. To: BTP Holdings (#37)
#39. To: noone222 (#34)
Public Defenders are known as public pretenders for very good reason.
#40. To: noone222 (#38)
It's also a state crime in every state of the union !!!
#41. To: bluedogtxn (#25)
#42. To: mirage (#41)
The difference is between the person who follows his path without dragging people along with him -- and those who wish to drag everyone with him.
#43. To: bluedogtxn (#42)
It's hard to consistently favor freedom when that means you have to let other people be "free" to advocate for lessening the very freedom that permits them to speak. Or to freely practice their wacky religion.
#44. To: mirage (#43)
Traditionally, "Tolerance" meant not killing the guy living next to you because he was different - you let him do whatever he wanted (except capital crimes, of course) behind closed doors.
#45. To: bluedogtxn, Zipporah, christine, rowdee, robin, lodwick, Diana, Minerva, Jethro Tull, Tauzero (#30)
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most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans
#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
Your shrieks of simulated outrage are duly noted, counselor.
#47. To: bluedogtxn (#44)
#48. To: mirage (#47)
America used to think of herself as having a common language. We are now told by many people that is a bad idea.
#49. To: bluedogtxn (#48)
#50. To: mirage (#49)
Like all movements, once the activists win, they can't leave it alone and the movement is hijacked by more radical elements and becomes a mockery of itself by pushing things too far.
#51. To: bluedogtxn (#50)
#52. To: mirage (#51)
Just to correct, Clinton vetoed the Republican Congress' "welfare reform" three times before finally signing it and then claimed credit for it. Clinton did not want to touch the system as it was.
#53. To: bluedogtxn, Zipporah, christine, rowdee, robin, lodwick, Diana, Minerva, Jethro Tull, Tauzero (#46)
Your shrieks of simulated outrage are duly noted, counselor.
#54. To: mirage (#51)
IMO, the system will collapse in on itself as more and more money is diverted to useless activities
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
Tell me, do you agree with christine's post or not?
#56. To: bluedogtxn (#55)
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#57. To: bluedogtxn (#52)
#58. To: mirage (#43)
So what's with the lobotomy? Why is the brain shutting down and not realizing that simple fact of reality?
#59. To: noone222 (#58)
Richard Perle, David Wurmser, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, and Paul Wolfowitz (just to name a few) are not Arabs ...
#60. To: noone222 (#58)
Richard Perle, David Wurmser, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, and Paul Wolfowitz (just to name a few) are not Arabs ... what is with the lobotomy ?
#61. To: mirage (#47)
America used to promote self-sufficiency and self-reliance. These days, "progressives" tell us that is no longer needed and that society as a whole needs to take care of everyone as opposed to what we used to do, which was to encourage people to take care of themselves.
#62. To: mirage, bluedogtxn (#49)
What I describe is what we were becoming in the 1960s before the "Great Society" took hold.
#63. To: Diana (#61)
Now it's dog eat dog and each man for himself and to hell with everyone else.
#64. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
#65. To: mirage (#63)
I take care of my mom as best I can. There isn't anyone else.
#66. To: bluedogtxn (#25)
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I'm always amused when someone criticizes the devout for trying to find a path to God, which is, after all, our highest calling in life.
#67. To: lodwick (#35)
#68. To: Diana (#61)
Things worked best when communities looked after their own, when independence was encouraged but people were willing to take turns helping out one another, through barter, helping each other build homes and other buildings, families taking in their elderly members to care for them, watching each other's children when there was a need, etc, because they wanted to, because they cared about each other, that system worked best IMO.
#69. To: Paul Revere (#66)
The highest calling of man is to create his replacement and get that person to adulthood.
#70. To: bluedogtxn (#69)
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#71. To: Paul Revere (#70)
Finding God to me means losing your pretentions, among them religion and the curious belief that God needs us to praise him.
#72. To: bluedogtxn, HOUNDDAWG (#30)
Danny Glover's campaign in NYC was because blacks have trouble flagging cabs but, most people don't understand that nig....I mean, African Americans don't tip and they commit the majority of assaults and robberies. (HOUNDDAWG)
#73. To: Nostalgia (#72)
Oh, come on, bluedog, don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction and an unnecessary personal attack of HOUNDDAWG? The truth of the matter is, there are niggers just like there's wiggers and white trash! Bet you a majority of blacks themselves would say this is so. Seems you're capitulating to the PC bullshit which, frankly, surprises me.
#74. To: bluedogtxn (#73)
#75. To: Nostalgia, HOUNDDAWG (#74)
I understand that this is your personal pet peeve in light of your father's strong feeling about that word.
#76. To: bluedogtxn, Nostalgia, HOUNDDAWG (#75)
#77. To: bluedogtxn, Nostalgia, christine, Tauzero (#75)
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#78. To: HOUNDDAWG (#77)
#79. To: christine (#78)
#80. To: HOUNDDAWG (#77)
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#81. To: Paul Revere, christine (#80)
Put me down as a co-signer.
#82. To: HOUNDDAWG (#77)
When you attacked me you aligned yourself with the media that for whatever reason feels that blacks need to be protected from the truth about themselves. And, it's also the reason why you believe that the Nazis simply decided to attack Jews one day for no reason at all. Although there is no justification for the treatment of millions who were targeted by Hitler, there were many reasons for resentment of Jews in Germany at that time. A hundred million people lost their lives in the 20th century because of Jewish inspired communism, and we can't even say that in polite company today. And the best example of why is you; an educated professional who isn't even aware of it and would likely savage anyone who said it, and that's exactly the way they want it to be. Does that mean that your father and uncle were dupes who fought for the wrong reasons? Millions of people think so. AND, BTW, the Japanese had legit grievances, too. But, American politicos and Jewish interests needed them to attack us because the people would not sign off on our entry into WWII without provocation. The parallels with the wars today are disturbingly similar.)
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