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Title: William Rodriquez Website (911 Hero)
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URL Source: http://william911.com/
Published: Apr 10, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-04-10 14:49:01 by christine
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William Rodriguez, is a native of Puerto Rico, a citizen of the United States, and a resident of the State of New Jersey. On September 11, 2001, and for approximately nineteen years prior thereto, Rodriguez was employed as a maintenance worker at the World Trade Center (WTC) in New York, New York. On 9/11, Rodriguez single-handedly rescued fifteen (15) persons from the WTC, and as Rodriguez was the only person at the site with the master key to the North Tower stairwells, he bravely led firefighters up the stairwell, unlocking doors as they ascended, thereby aiding in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of those who survived. Rodriguez, at great risk to his own life, re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, Rodriguez spent the rest of 9/11 aiding as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back at Ground Zero continuing his heroic efforts. Rodriguez lost his employment of 19 years and his means of earning a living as a direct result of the attacks on the WTC on 9/11. Deeply affected, as one might imagine, by his experiences of 9/11, Rodriguez has, in a variety of capacities and through several different organizations, worked ever since that terrible day to help others who were affected by the atrocities committed. He has continued in these labors, notwithstanding the fact that, due to the loss of his employment, he has been unable to earn a living, and was even homeless for a time.
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#1. To: christine, ALL (#0)
Too bad his lawyer took advantage of him and lied the the court about 911 facts.
Whooboy. I think I'm just gonna let this one go, BAC. Are you really gay, though? I'd heard that, but didn't know if it was true or if it was just someone speculating.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
The guy on the left is Jeff Gannon. The guy on the right is BeAChooser. Trace has outed him already.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
You now, Red, you are only making this site look sillier and sillier.
I'm glad you don't get too upset over it then. Personally I think your comment in #1 is pretty silly. William Rodriguez is a hero. He is one who really did risk his life in a big way on September 11. and he saved many people. I don't go for disparaging him and making him look like a liar or a fool. and I think you are a TREASONOUS QUEER!
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I've seen several videos of Rodriguez and he's very credible. His is certain that explosions took place low in the WTC before the first plane hit. His info is among the wealth of info that day which clearly contradict the official story. It is some consolation knowing that one day, Bill Curtis will deliver the voice over to THE MEN WHO ORCHESTRATED 9-11, like THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY. The shadow government has been killing in its own name for at least 4 decades, and 9-11 was simply the latest and most spectacular event.
you're so right. The thing everyone should know at a gut level concerning Rodriguez is that when he told his story to the journalists they censored him. They showed him on the news as he was the very last person dug out of the wreckage alive and thus newsworthy. But they censored his story about him personally witnessing 2 bombs going off inside the buildings. think of these slime-ball journalists who do that. They get paid to lie. and if they have brains and consciences, then they know they get paid to lie. and then we have these TREASONOUS QUEERS! among us who feel so strongly that only the mass media is a legitimate source of news.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I saw interviews where he tried to tell them more, and it didn't fit the news "story" so the reporters blew him off.
So you don't want to answer my question? Because you didn't.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Arator, Artisan, Kamala, my husband, and I have met him in person when we attendede Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference in LA last June. His speech was the highlight of the event.
I am not sure if BeAChooser is 100% gay. On the Log Cabin Forum he says that it is OK to chew a little weenie as long as you are Republican and as long as you don't marry your partner. Sounds like more of a dabler to me.
BAC is a typical Republican.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Pink ink! Noice!
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And you already figured out which type of sheeple do.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
The number of gay blades high in the Bush White House and the Republican party is amazing. It's like dress up day at J. Edgar and Clyde's house. From Gannon to little Scottie McClellan, to Karl Rove himself, to the Frito Bandito himself aka Gonzo the Fergetter - it's a flamefest over there.
A few years ago, in an article, an insider referred to it as the Gay Mafia.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I have read that somewhere, but don't recall where. I know that it is based in Texas, and was tied to Talon News service.
I like that characterization.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Here is BeAChooser's post from the Log Cabin forum. #94. To: Rodney Longstalk (#23) There is nothing wrong with chewing a little social weenie and long as you are a good Republican, you don't marry your partner and the fundamentalist Christians don't find out. BeAChooser posted on 2007-01-17 11:52:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
It is so amazing that a lot of organized christians like to focus their minds on how there is a threat from gays. Example - christian tv shows focus on Barney character and others presented to children as being gay characters, etc. At the same time these organized christians overwhelmingly support this gay mafia of which we speak. and what is the department of education doing? They are dictating to public schools all over the country a pro-gay agenda where little children are indoctrinated in a pro-gay manner. and the same corporations that slant the news for Bush & his agenda are the ones who give the children these gay characters. are these people deceived or what?!!
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Don't forget Matt Drudge.
Some of them are complicit, not deceived.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
thanks for showing us that yet more evidence on BAC Trace. We need more Honest Queers in this world and fewer TREASONOUS QUEERS! BAC is a TREASONOUS QUEER! he's in the closet and should come out. He's one of those covert Republican gay blades who won't come out of which we've been speaking. I used to read everything he posts and all his links too. I was convinced that he was a genius. But when I learned that he was in the closet and wouldn't come out I knew that he was untrustworthy and a TREASONOUS QUEER! No more will I ever trust again whatever he says.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Check out this one. #47. To: pink_fuzzy_guy (#16) You mentioned your tattoos. I am considering having a large red "W" tattooed on the right cheek of my posterior. I think my special friend Theodore will find this exciting. How painful is this procedure? BeAChooser posted on 2006-12-15 21:11:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I didn't say he wasn't. What I said is that he's been taken advantage of by his lying lawyer (and the *Truth* movement).
Actually, that's not what he's said.
He didn't "witness" bombs going off, Red.
Verrrry Interrrestingggg!!! ROTFLOL!
You have a link to that post you made up? Bet you don't. But this proves you are typical of 4um posters. And that's not a compliment.
Rodney said I could post links if you emailed Log Cabin and rescinded your no link rule.
BAC - I didn't say he wasn't. technically you're correct BAC. and I'm sure you know that as well that you're not really against Rodriguez the individual. But we like Rodriguez and we don't like the implication even that he is a fraud.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
His is certain that explosions took place low in the WTC before the first plane hit. BAC - Actually, that's not what he's said. BAC, Rodriguez says he witnessed more than one explosion. The first one he says happened about 8-10 seconds BEFORE the first plane impact. You're not even familiar with what Rodriguez says and you're tearing him down.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
In BAC logic a person must have their eyes glued to the actual bomb when it goes off and see it personally explode in order to witness it. Rodriguez witnessed the explosions in that he heard them, he felt the shaking and he saw the damage to the building and the injured people even. I don't care about splitting hairs. This demonstrates why I don't normally discuss substance with BAC. It is more productive to merely say that he is a TREASONOUS QUEER! because he can't deny that. we all know it's true.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
your description of BAC's behavior at Log Cabin club definitely rings true with us. That is BAC 4 sure. He whines, he complains. and he won't even come out of closet and admit he is what he is. TRESONOUS QUEER! We need more honest Queers on this site. Please stay here Trace and help us. Just tell us one thing BAC. when you had your date with Jeff Gannon were you the boy or the girl? He never answers - which proves - he is a TREASONOUS QUEER!
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
you've just about reached your limit with me. your posting status is being downgraded to introductory. use your spam wisely.
ROTFLOL!
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
shalom fish breath. hope you get along with TLBSHOW and ponchy.
Is too, is too, is too! I'd tell you to blow me, but I'm afraid you'd do it.
Yes, he did witness a bomb going off. Hearing is one of our five senses. Touch is another of our five senses. Remember last week when your mommy was explaining "knees and toes" to you? You see, Bushie, a witness is anyone who has actual knowledge and can testify in a court of law. Mr. Rodriguez is such a witness, because he witnessed (1) the sound, (3) the concussion, and (3) the impact of those concessions. So you see, you're wrong, and Red is right. Mr. Rodriguez witnessed those events, just as surely as everyone just witnessed me kicking your ass. PS. Thanks for being a useful foil. I prefer a punching bag, but you were handy.
Frito Bandito himself aka Gonzo the Fergetter thanks I make them up and pass them along for use. Please, borrow any of my insults and use appropriately! Gonzo better stick to the fifth, like that lawyer who worked for him. He's already committed perjury before the congress, so he'll just make it worse by trying to explain it away. They tried that with Scooter Libby aka Irving Lewis Liebowitz. I think Bush is going to urge his people to take the fifth. Goodling is the weak link. She's a babe in the woods who was in way over her head. I wouldn't let her fix a parking ticket.
What do you do, Red? Just make up numbers to put into your sentences so they sound more significant? Here is a direct quote from Rodriguez: http://www.studyof911.com/articles/BsB100106/ "On 9/11, on 8:46, I was at the basement of the North Tower, the first tower to be impacted, the second one to fall. While I was there, a second or two before the plane hit, there was a huge explosion on the sublevel B2 to sublevel B3." Now if it had really been 8 - 10 seconds, one might be more troubled by Rodriguez's claim. But given all the excitement that day, given all that happened to Rodriguez that day, and given where Rodriguez was located at the time the plane hit (in the basement), I really doubt that he can know for certain that a second or two before the plane hit, there was an explosion in the basement. He went on to say "And when I went to verbalize it, we heard the impact of the plane, very far away, coming from the top. So there was a big difference of something coming from the top and something coming from the basement. I mean I worked there for 20 years, I could tell the difference of one thing coming from each side." The problem is that Rodriguez does not understand sound transmission or the transmission of vibrations. He'd be shocked to find out how fast a blast wave travels (say through an elevator shaft from the impact level to the basement) compared to the speed of sound through air (either inside or outside the building to his location). He'd be shocked to find out how slowly (in comparison to the blast through an elevator) the horizontal oscillations of the structure are transferred from the impact point to the basement. Now witness testimony tends to change over time, especially when much has happened in the interim and other motives begin to affect the witness' account. Do you know that initially (on 9/11, in fact, in an interview with CNN) Rodriguez said the following ( http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/new.york.terror/ ): "We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off." There are some subtle but important differences between that account and the one he's telling now. Perhaps he began elaborating once he became a sought after speaker and a plaintiff in a lawsuit? And many facts are being left out of this story by those pushing Rodriguez as a whistleblower. For example, look at these details about the man with burned skin who came into the office where Rodriguez was immediately afterwards ... http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7762 "A fellow worker Felipe David came into the office. "He had been standing in front of a freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries." That account is completely consistent with the notion that blast, fuel and fire from the impact high above raced down the elevator shaft to the basement level. The account goes on: "William asks: "How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man's arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?"" Well the answer can be found in basic physics, something I doubt this janitor studied in high school or college. Do you know that Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. Mike Pecoraro specifically mentions smelling kerosene after the explosion. In other words ... Jet Fuel ... not explosives.
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
Yeah, BAC, you deceiving piece of shit. The particular jet fuel (Jet-A) smells like diesel - not the kerosene smell of the military JP-4. See how you are, BAC? Your information is as queer as you are!
It wasn't a matter of when, it wasn't a matter of if, it just was a matter of time.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
You claim to have been a commercial jet pilot? http://www.sinclairoil.com/msds/Jet%20Fuels.pdf "MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET MSDS # F3, SINCLAIR JET FUELS, TRADE NAME: Jet Fuel, APPLICATIONS: Fuel, SYNONYMS: Commercial Jet Fuel, Jet A, Turbine Fuel, Aviation Fuel, JP - 8, ODOR: Kerosene odor" http://www.usor.com/pdfs/msds/fuels/Jet_Fuel_MSDS.pdf "U. S. OIL & REFINING CO., M A T E R I A L S A F E T Y D A T A S H E E T , Product Name: Jet Fuel, Other Names: Jet Fuel, Kerosene, Jet A (212110), Jet A-1 (212212), Jet A-1 (50) (212211), JP-8 (212130) ... snip ... Kerosene odor." http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/mos9702.html "Jet fuel is essentially kerosene and has the same odor." http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Evolution_of_Technology/fuel/Tech21.htm "Commercial jet fuel, known as Jet-A, is pure kerosene" http://www.nasaexplores.com/show2_articlea.php?id=04-051 "Aircraft then went to using Jet-A commercial jet fuel. It is kerosene-based" http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310075255AAu0P98&show=7 " There are currently two main grades of turbine fuel in use in civil commercial aviation : Jet A-1 and Jet A, both are kerosene type fuels." http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/fallon/nas_p5.html "many commercial jet fuels today have basically the same composition as kerosene" http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-06-20-alternative-jet-fuel_x.htm "Today, most commercial airplanes use a fuel similar to light kerosene."
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
The only other jet fuel that is commonly used in civilian aviation is called JET B. JET B is a fuel in the naptha-kerosene region that is used for its enhanced cold-weather performance. However, JET B's lighter composition makes it more dangerous to handle, and it is thus restricted only to areas where its cold-weather characteristics are absolutely necessary. Oppsie. Guess it ain't kerosene, Irene.
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about. Listen-up, asshole; I've been around both for many long years, and I'm here to tell you that Jet-A does NOT smell like kerosene - rather a diesel smell. Deal with it, you lying piece of shit! You don't like Christine - or women in general - leave! Nobody needs someone as queer in mind as preference. Priveleged to hear from you? NOT! I'll be priveleged to hear that you're leaving - permanently!
He's right about the smell. Jet A has a distinct odor that surprised me. I had been a helicopter crewchief in the U.S. Army my first enlistment. I know JP-4 very well and lost an argument myself over the smell of jet fuel several years ago. Drifty is correct, not you. Nice Googling though, I'll give you that.
Thanks, Mike.
Not a problem, my pleasure. I had to be aware off the fuel all the time taking regular samples of oil and fuel to send in to be tested. You had to be sure no water had collected in the bottoms of the fuel bladders of the helicopters we had. And I know how to do a clear and bright check at pre- flight to watch for too much H2O dissolved into the fuel.
BeAChewer is his real name.
chooser busted again. it won't matter. he'll stick with his lies no matter what. evil pathological liar.
Did the WTC towers have elevator shafts that went from the impact level to the basement, or did the WTC towers have elevator shafts comprised of three distinct vertical assemblies? Was there any elevator shaft above the 74th floor Skylobby that went lower than the 74th floor? If a blast wave entered an elevator shaft above the 74th floor, would one be shocked to find out how slowly the wave traveled from the 74th floor to the basement? What is the approximate speed of a blast wave traveling through an elevator shaft that does not exist? If a blast wave traveled down an elevator shaft, why did the it not blow the 74th floor apart instead of the basement? ------- The building has three vertical zones; express elevators serve skylobbies at the forty-first and seventy-fourth floors; from these, and from the plaza level, four banks of local elevators carry passengers to each of the three zones. ------- Image:World Trade Center Building Design with Floor and Elevator Arrangment.svg ------- WTC-1 North Tower At 8:46 AM, a jet, apparently Flight 11, slammed into the northeast face of the tower, creating an impact hole that extended from the 92nd to 98th floors. ------- WTC-2 South Tower At 9:03 AM, a jet, apparently Flight 175, slammed into the southwest face of the tower, creating an impact hole that extended from the 78th to 84th floors. -------
BeAChooser has been throwing a hissey over on Log Cabin all day. He is now restricted to 12 posts per day here and that is why he is in a bad mood. Look what he said earlier. #61. To: Muscle Butt (#7) So what? The 4dummers now have me limited to 12 posts per day and are calling me gay because I post on Log Cabin. The gay thing is outrageous. I'm a regular family man and probably don't blow a guy more than a couple of times a month. BeAChooser posted on 2007-04-12 8:37:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
kudos. yet again.
Maybe if you opus over it Christine will be seized by guilt and suffer horribly. I think you should try it.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
BeAChooser posted on 2007-04-12 8:37:29 ET BAC: "When I built a small dog house for the kids, no one called me a carpenter. When I fixed the toilet, no one said I was a plumber. But suck one dick, and everyone thinks you're queer."
Nice job. I believe the operation was run out of WTC7. That's why they got everyone out of WTC7 that morning, and that's why it was the last thing to go. Once the two towers were down, the job became to sanitize the crime scene by exploding and collapsing it.
There was a single express elevator that did go from bottom to top, but it's naive to think that any amount of burning jet fuel would make it down the shaft - and leave no trace of smoke/soot in the lobby. The Naudet brothers' tape made it clear that there was no fire damage or indication in the lobby. However there were people burned at the lower levels - there's the mystery.
That's correct. One elevator shaft stopped went to all three levels, but the others did not. If the jet fuel causing the delayed explosions were valid, we would have seen bigger secondary explosions higher in the buildings and sooner than in the lobby. The crash triggered a timetable for additional explosions, set off in the melee which followed.
BAC doesn't know when to quit, when it comes to insulting you and this forum. I maintain a low opinion of him, but I wouldn't have expected to see him go that far. He won't come back on me with insults, but he goes after you - must be his queeriness.
The burn victims discovered in the lobby might have encountered explosives or whatever form of thermal devices in the lower floors. I don't know if they even survived.
Do you post as boloboffin at DU? You sure sound like that loser.
Please check the illustration at the link. It appears that the express elevator only went from the bottom to the 74th floor Skylobby.
I agree. The airplane crash was merely the cover, the subterfuge, for setting off the explosions. Anyone who think gravity exploded steel and concrete is either an idiot or hopelessly hobbled by brainwashing.
Pardon me. I see there is one shaft, apparently smaller than the others, that goes all the way.
Jet A appears to contain mercaptan sulphur which would certainly add something to its odor. Mercaptan is the stuff skunks make and which is used in stinkbombs, and as an additive to otherwise odorless natural gas as a safety measure. Chevron Phillips Chemical Company LP Jet A ----- This guy indicates there is some distinct difference between the odor of Jet A and kerosene without being specific. dperry Bergen Turbine I run mine on both Jet-A and Low odor K1 Kero. Can't tell any difference except for the smell. I just passed the 10hr mark on my Turbine Bergen today per the ECU! Don Perry http://www.rnlinc.com
I have no personal knowledge of Jet-A but came across the following which may be of interest. I smelled enough of the military stuff to know it smelled like kerosene. 26. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25) The repeated description of "the smell of kerosene" is no small deal. Jet-A airline fuel smells distinctly like diesel. BUT - old military hands would remember that the JP-4 smelled like kerosene! Wuffo posted on 2004-12-14 16:16:29 ET Reply Trace ------------------------- 37. To: Wuffo (#26) Really? http://www.csgnetwork.com/jetfuel.html Jet A-1 is a kerosine grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engined aircraft. It is produced to a stringent internationally agreed standard, has a flash point above 38°C (100°F) and a freeze point maximum of -47°C. It is widely available outside the U.S.A. Jet A-1 meets the requirements of British specification DEF STAN 91-91 (Jet A-1), (formerly DERD 2494 (AVTUR)), ASTM specification D1655 (Jet A-1) and IATA Guidance Material (Kerosine Type), NATO Code F-35. Jet A is a similar kerosine type of fuel, produced to an ASTM specification and normally only available in the U.S.A. It has the same flash point as Jet A-1 but a higher freeze point maximum (-40°C). It is supplied against the ASTM D1655 (Jet A) specification. ANV posted on 2004-12-14 17:30:09 ET Reply Trace ------------------------ 38. To: ANV (#37) Pass your nose by a pool of Jet-A; you get a diesel smell; not kerosene. It's that simple. Wuffo posted on 2004-12-14 17:43:53 ET Reply Trace ----------------------- 39. To: Wuffo (#38) If you say so since I've never directly smelled it. My work was with JP-4, a gasoline/kerosene mixture. Don't know why a purely kerosene based fuel would smell like diesel, but then I do remember reading something about different grades of diesel. ANV posted on 2004-12-14 17:51:43 ET Reply Trace ---------------------- 44. To: ANV (#39) I don't understand the technical assignment of 'kerosene," but I'll promise you that Jet-A has a distinctly diesel smell to it, versus JP-4, which, as you know, DOES have the kerosene odor. JP-4 was such a 'standard' jet fuel in so many environments, for so long, that many don't know the current reality. Certainly, a human mistake, up to a point. I get excited when I hear of a recent airliner crash site described in terms of kerosene odor. Wuffo posted on 2004-12-14 18:32:32 ET Reply Trace ---------------------
"Wuffo" was one of my 'secret' names when Goldi kicked me off ElPee! {:-))
Yeah, I remember SKYDRIFTER claiming this when he was posting surreptiously (pretending not to be SKYDRIFTER) as WUFFO over at Liberty Post. Here are some more sources that say you guys are wrong (or at least *different*): "Compatibility with Jet A-1 of a GCL Subjected to Freeze–Thaw Cycles", J. Geotech. and Geoenvir. Engrg., Volume 132, Issue 12, pp. 1526-1537 (December 2006) "Jet A-l is a colorless to pale yellow liquid with a kerosene-like odor." http://www.csgnetwork.com/jetfuel.html "Jet A-1 is a kerosene grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engined aircraft. ... snip ... Jet A is a similar kerosene type of fuel, produced to an ASTM specification and normally only available in the U.S.A." http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/fallon/nas_p5.html "Jet fuel (JP-8 and Jet A) is mixture of many chemicals, with the primary component being kerosene (>98%). ... snip ... Kerosene is a blend of the middle distillate or medium carbon chain compounds. Diesel fuel and home heating fuel contain longer carbon chain compounds." http://www.search.com/reference/Jet_fuel "The most common fuel worldwide is a kerosene-based fuel classified as JET A-1, which is produced to an internationally standardized set of specifications. In the United States only, a version of JET A-1 known as JET A is also used. ... snip ... As noted above Jet-A, similar to JP-8, is a pure kerosene" Tell me, how could pure kerosene smell like anything other than kerosene? But then ... you are the *expert*, SKYDRIFTER. ROTFLOL!
--------------------------------------------------------- Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
So that's your tagline? You know if you get banned it will because of your own childish shit antagonizing the forum owner. It's one thing to get banned for different views; it's quite another to go out of your way to play games daring it.
I hope you approve of this one ...
--------------------------------------------------------- Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day because the truth hurts.
Shalom you Nappy Headed Gay Ho.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
I would knock off two posts per day for using that tag line. Why don't you cut him down to 8 per day?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
In your usual 'phase-shifting' of information issues you ignore the fact that Jet-A does NOT smell like kerosene. You're a LIAR, BAC. In your post-script, you're whining in your obvious queer style, BAC - I'm not privileged to have you reply; nor is anyone else.
I think you were restricted to 10 per day because your spam was clogging up the hard drive.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
" --------------------------------------------------------- " He put in the above representation of one of his lomotomy scars. At least he included that.
Here is a good tagline image for you.
First, we are not discussing the smell of kerosene, but the smell of the byproducts of burning kerosene. The smell given off by burning something can be very different from the original substance. For example, eggs which are burned make quite a stink. The smell of a burned substance can be affected by such things as a content of over 20% aromatics. The Jet-A specification appears to permit up to 25% aromatics and 3% naphthalene by volume. Tell me how "pure" kerosene could have 25% aromatic content by volume and 3.0% naphthalene content by volume according to the Jet A specification? "Avgas is limited to monoaromatics by distillation requirements. Typically, toluene is the only aromatic compound in avgas. Jet fuel is limited to monocyclic and dicyclic aromatic compounds by distillation requirements. Total aromatic content of Jet A and Jet A-1 is limited to 25% vol, and total naphthalenes content is limited to 3.0 % vol by specifications." Kerosene Synonyms & Trade Names Fuel Oil No. 1, Range oil [Note: A refined petroleum solvent (predominantly C9-C16), which typically is 25% normal paraffins, 11% branched paraffins, 30% monocycloparaffins, 12% dicycloparaffins, 1% tricycloparaffins, 16% mononuclear aromatics & 5% dinuclear aromatics.] DOT ID & Guide It seems that kerosene is in the C12 to C15 range and napthas are in the C5, C6 and C7 range.
Tell that to SKYDRIFTER, nolu-chan. Or did you just forget that you unwittingly (unwittingly because you didn't know he was WUFFO for a time - ROTFLOL!) quoted him as some sort of expert saying "Pass your nose by a pool of Jet-A; you get a diesel smell; not kerosene." He wasn't talking about the byproducts of burning kerosene in that comment. He was talking about the smell of pristine, unburned, Jet A. And I notice that so far in this thread I've posted almost half a dozen sources that say Jet A and Jet A-1 smell like kerosene whereas you, SKYDRIFTER and Ferret Mike combined haven't posted a single one who claims it smells like diesel (other than SKYDRIFTER in the form of WUFFO). Wonder why ...
--------------------------------------------------------- Aren't you lucky. You get to receive one of the 10 posts I'm allowed each day.
BAC, I've been around turbine fuel since my first commercial flying job. I'm plenty expert to say what's factual, whether you approve or not. Now, you insist on phase-shifting the information again, deviating from "...jet fuel" to the odor of burned jet fuel - make up your distorted mind! Now, why would fire suddenly decide to burn downward after all the laws of physics having heat always rise? OR would you have anyone believe that the "jet fuel" could burn without leaving anything in the way of smoke evidence to remark about? See how you are BAC, if not outright lying, you are the epitome of "deceit." You can't escape that. You contribute nothing but shit to any forum you go to. Go suck the remains of Goldi's tits - if she'll honor you with delivering that service. Maybe she'll give you back your posting rights on ElPee. BAC, your queerness is sufficient for the whole world to note and discount for what it is - logic or social preference. AND - as Trace illustrates - you're also one hell of a coward. You're worthless to the whole world, BAC. Nobody wants you. You're just the asshole for the Bush Cabal and associates to fuck - that's all. Go away BAC - nobody wants you here. Except for your services delivered to your queer pals; nobody would want you, period. You gave yourself away, BAC, a treasonous and cowardly queer. Your passionate bullshit means nothing - NOTHING! It just stinks.
I was assuming the fuel at the WTC burned but I will accept your representation that it did not and that the people at the WTC were smelling pure, pristine kerosene. You have posted that Jet-A is "pure kerosene." I have posted from Chevron that, "Total aromatic content of Jet A and Jet A-1 is limited to 25% vol, and total naphthalenes content is limited to 3.0 % vol by specifications." Also I posted from NIOSH that kerosene is, "A refined petroleum solvent (predominantly C9-C16), which typically is 25% normal paraffins, 11% branched paraffins, 30% monocycloparaffins, 12% dicycloparaffins, 1% tricycloparaffins, 16% mononuclear aromatics & 5% dinuclear aromatics. I accept that you want to change the subject and avoid addressing those quotes. As you do not want to address what I posted, perhaps you would like to address whether you have yet formed an opinion regarding whether "you support the 'right' of Israel to deliberately attack a U.S. Navy ship and kill 34 U.S. Navy men and wound 171 more, and shoot at lifeboats...." When last checked, you still passionately remained of "no opinion." Aren't you lucky. You have yet another chance to find and voice your opinion.
You are a clueless dumb ass. You are thee sort of noob We would send to the tool room to get a bucket of prop wash or ten meters of flight line. Go smell it yourself. I stopped by the aviation maintenance department at Lane Community College where I was yesterday using their WiFi. I was curious about alternate fuels listed on the alternative fuel stencil on the hardpoint behind the jump door as they have a UH-1H hanger queen for A&P mechanic students to work on. I talked with an instructor about different turbine fuels and thee flash point needed for a free power turbine engine like the UH-1H's T53-L13 power plant that has five annular and one centrifugal stage off compression, and two N1 and two N2 turbine wheels. The N1 rotates clockwise and turns the hollow drive shaft for the compression stages, and the slid N2 turns the other way turning thee gears in the planetary gearbox in front of the engine under the particle separator sections that help keep dirt and sand out of the engine. Jet A has anti fungicides and other additives that give it a very diesel-like smell according to the instructor I talked to. I'm no idiot when it comes to aviation, reciprocating piston engined A/C or birds with free power turbine engines. But you are, sorry about your bad luck.
shalom fish breath i think the problem is your upper lip smells like kerosene. this is what is confusing you. you should go wash it.
"Aren't you lucky. You get to hear me whine about the 10 posts I'm allowed each day." -- BeAChooser
I saw him again at a conference in Irvine a few months ago; but they had a separate banquet at which Rodriguez was the featured speaker and they charged 50 bucks for that dinner alone. separate from the conference fee- i didn't go since I had already heard his story; but a friend of mine went (who had also gone to alex conference in LA) and said it was outstanding - a full house, and well worth the $50. Actually willie had told my wife when we met him at the LA conference that he wasn't getting paid for speaking at the LA conference. I hope he is collecting some sort of compensation now, for all these speaking engagements. At the Irvine conference they passed around the hat for Willie and April Gallop. One of the speakers, I forget which one,. (von kleist or Tarpley..??) said on stage that he had visited Willie's place and he lives in a very modest bachelor apt.
#2. To: BeAChooser (#1)
Too bad his lawyer took advantage of him and lied the the court about 911 facts.
#3. To: bluedogtxn, BeAChooser (#2)
didn't know if it was true
#4. To: Red Jones (#3)
The guy on the left is Jeff Gannon. The guy on the right is BeAChooser.
#5. To: BeAChooser, Diana (#4)
#6. To: christine (#0)
#7. To: Paul Revere (#6)
The shadow government has been killing in its own name for at least 4 decades, and 9-11 was simply the latest and most spectacular event.
#8. To: Red Jones (#7)
#9. To: BeAChooser (#4)
You now, Red, you are only making this site look sillier and sillier.
#10. To: Paul Revere. Arator, Artisan, Kamala (#6)
(Edited)
#11. To: bluedogtxn (#2)
Are you really gay, though? I'd heard that, but didn't know if it was true or if it was just someone speculating.
#12. To: Trace21231 (#11)
I am not sure if BeAChooser is 100% gay. On the Log Cabin Forum he says that it is OK to chew a little weenie as long as you are Republican and as long as you don't marry your partner. Sounds like more of a dabler to me.
#13. To: Trace21231 (#11)
"Its not queer when republicans do it"
#14. To: christine, *9-11* (#0)
#15. To: Red Jones (#5)
William Rodriguez is a hero. He is one who really did risk his life in a big way on September 11. and he saved many people. I don't go for disparaging him and making him look like a liar or a fool.
#16. To: Red Jones (#12)
#17. To: Paul Revere (#16)
it's a flamefest over there.
#18. To: robin (#17)
#19. To: Paul Revere (#16)
Frito Bandito himself aka Gonzo the Fergetter
#20. To: bluedogtxn (#13)
#21. To: Paul Revere, robin (#18)
#22. To: Paul Revere (#16)
The number of gay blades high in the Bush White House and the Republican party is amazing. It's like dress up day at J. Edgar and Clyde's house. From Gannon to little Scottie McClellan, to Karl Rove himself, to the Frito Bandito himself aka Gonzo the Fergetter - it's a flamefest over there.
#23. To: Red Jones (#21)
#24. To: Trace21231, Diana (#20)
#25. To: Red Jones (#24)
#26. To: Red Jones, ALL (#5)
William Rodriguez is a hero.
#27. To: Paul Revere, ALL (#6)
His is certain that explosions took place low in the WTC before the first plane hit.
#28. To: Red Jones, ALL (#7)
But they censored his story about him personally witnessing 2 bombs going off inside the buildings.
#29. To: christine, ALL (#10)
Arator, Artisan, Kamala, my husband, and I have met him in person when we attendede Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference in LA last June.
#30. To: Trace21231, ALL (#20)
Here is BeAChooser's post from the Log Cabin forum.
#31. To: BeAChooser (#30)
You have a link to that post you made up? Bet you don't.
#32. To: BeAChooser (#26)
Red - William Rodriguez is a hero.
#33. To: BeAChooser (#27)
#34. To: BeAChooser (#28)
He didn't "witness" bombs going off, Red.
#35. To: Trace21231 (#31)
#36. To: BeAChooser (#29)
(Edited)
Verrrry Interrrestingggg!!! ROTFLOL!
#37. To: BeAChooser (#36)
your posting status is being downgraded to introductory.
#38. To: BeAChooser (#29)
Verrrry Interrrestingggg!!! ROTFLOL!
#39. To: BeAChooser (#27)
(Edited)
Actually, that's not what he's said.
#40. To: BeAChooser (#28)
He didn't "witness" bombs going off, Red.
#41. To: Red Jones (#19)
(Edited)
To: Paul Revere
#42. To: Red Jones, Paul Revere, ALL (#33)
The first one he says happened about 8-10 seconds BEFORE the first plane impact.
#43. To: beachooser, nolu_chan, Robin, Minerva, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#42)
Do you know that Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. Mike Pecoraro specifically mentions smelling kerosene after the explosion. In other words ... Jet Fuel ... not explosives.
#44. To: christine (#36)
#45. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#43)
The particular jet fuel (Jet-A) smells like diesel - not the kerosene smell of the military JP-4.
#46. To: BeAChooser (#45)
The most common fuel is an unleaded/paraffin oil-based fuel classified as JET A-1, which is produced to an internationally standardized set of specifications. In the United States only, a version of JET A-1 known as JET A is also used. See the section for JET A below.
#47. To: beachooser, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#45)
#48. To: BeAChooser (#45)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
#50. To: SKYDRIFTER (#49)
#51. To: SKYDRIFTER (#43)
See how you are, BAC? Your information is as queer as you are!
#52. To: SKYDRIFTER, Ferret Mike (#49)
#53. To: BeAChooser, Red Jones, Paul Revere, ALL (#42)
[BAC] The problem is that Rodriguez does not understand sound transmission or the transmission of vibrations. He'd be shocked to find out how fast a blast wave travels (say through an elevator shaft from the impact level to the basement) compared to the speed of sound through air (either inside or outside the building to his location). He'd be shocked to find out how slowly (in comparison to the blast through an elevator) the horizontal oscillations of the structure are transferred from the impact point to the basement.
#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#47)
Listen-up, asshole; I've been around both for many long years, and I'm here to tell you that Jet-A does NOT smell like kerosene - rather a diesel smell.
#55. To: nolu_chan (#53)
#56. To: BeAChooser (#42)
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
#57. To: Trace21231 (#54)
The gay thing is outrageous. I'm a regular family man and probably don't blow a guy more than a couple of times a month.
#58. To: nolu_chan (#53)
#59. To: nolu_chan, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#53)
#60. To: SKYDRIFTER (#59)
#61. To: christine (#52)
#62. To: Paul Revere (#60)
#63. To: BeAChooser (#45)
#64. To: SKYDRIFTER (#59)
There was a single express elevator that did go from bottom to top
#65. To: SKYDRIFTER (#62)
The burn victims discovered in the lobby might have encountered explosives or whatever form of thermal devices in the lower floors. I don't know if they even survived.
#66. To: SKYDRIFTER (#64)
#67. To: Ferret Mike, SKYDRIFTER, BeAChooser (#48)
He's right about the smell. Jet A has a distinct odor that surprised me.
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#68. To: Ferret Mike, SKYDRIFTER, BeAChooser (#48)
He's right about the smell. Jet A has a distinct odor that surprised me.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78319&Disp=All#C26
The repeated description of "the smell of kerosene" is no small deal. Jet-A airline fuel smells distinctly like diesel.
#69. To: nolu_chan (#68)
#70. To: SKYDRIFTER, Ferret Mike, christine, ALL (#47)
SKYDRIFTER - Listen-up, asshole; I've been around both for many long years, and I'm here to tell you that Jet-A does NOT smell like kerosene - rather a diesel smell.
Ferret Mike - He's right about the smell. Jet A has a distinct odor that surprised me. I had been a helicopter crewchief in the U.S. Army my first enlistment. I know JP-4 very well and lost an argument myself over the smell of jet fuel several years ago. Drifty is correct, not you.
#71. To: BeAChooser (#70)
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
#72. To: SmokinOPs, ALL (#71)
So that's your tagline? You know if you get banned it will because of your own childish shit antagonizing the forum owner. It's one thing to get banned for different views; it's quite another to go out of your way to play games daring it.
#73. To: BeAChooser (#70)
Consider yourself priveleged. You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day by christine. She did it after I laughed when I heard that she, Arator and Kamala met Rodriguez in person at Alex Jones' and Charlie Sheen's 911 Conference. I guess that was nothing to laugh about.
#74. To: Christine, BeAChooser (#70)
#75. To: beachooser, Christine, Aristeides, Diana, Honway, All (#70)
#76. To: BeAChooser (#72)
You get to receive one of my rare posts. I've been restricted to only 10 a day because the truth hurts.
#77. To: Minerva (#74)
FRom BAC's post:
#78. To: BeAChooser (#72)
#79. To: BeAChooser, SKYDRIFTER, Ferret Mike, christine, ALL (#70)
Tell me, how could pure kerosene smell like anything other than kerosene?
#80. To: nolu_chan, SKYDRIFTER, Ferret Mike, christine, ALL (#79)
First, we are not discussing the smell of kerosene, but the smell of the byproducts of burning kerosene. The smell given off by burning something can be very different from the original substance.
#81. To: beachooser, nolu_chan, Robin, Minerva, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#80)
In other words ... Jet Fuel ... not explosives.
#82. To: BeAChooser, SKYDRIFTER (#80)
#83. To: BeAChooser, Skydrifter (#80)
(Edited)
"And I notice that so far in this thread I've posted almost half a dozen sources that say Jet A and Jet A-1 smell like kerosene whereas you, SKYDRIFTER and Ferret Mike combined haven't posted a single one who claims it smells like diesel (other than SKYDRIFTER in the form of WUFFO). Wonder why ..."
#84. To: BeAChooser (#80)
And I notice that so far in this thread I've posted almost half a dozen sources that say Jet A and Jet A-1 smell like kerosene whereas you, SKYDRIFTER and Ferret Mike combined haven't posted a single one who claims it smells like diesel
#85. To: christine (#10)
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