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Title: Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack
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Published: Apr 12, 2007
Author: By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
Post Date: 2007-04-12 11:20:08 by gengis gandhi
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Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack By ETGAR LEFKOVITS [Print this Article] [EMail this Article] [Subscribe] [JPost Toolbar] [Download article to your iPod/mp3 player] [JPost ePaper] Talkbacks for this article: 118 Several prominent scholars who were interviewed in a bitterly contested documentary that suggests that Jesus and his family members were buried in a nondescript ancient Jerusalem burial cave have now revised their conclusions, including the statistician who claimed that the odds were 600:1 in favor of the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth, a new study on the fallout from the popular documentary shows. The dramatic clarifications, compiled by epigrapher Stephen Pfann of the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem in a paper titled "Cracks in the Foundation: How the Lost Tomb of Jesus story is losing its scholarly support," come two months after the screening of The Lost Tomb of Christ that attracted widespread public interest, despite the concomitant scholarly ridicule. The film, made by Oscar-winning director James Cameron and Emmy-winning Canadian filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici, prompted major criticism from both a leading Israeli archeologist involved in the original dig at the site as well as Christian leaders, who were angered over the documentary's contradictions of main tenets of Christianity. But now, even some of the scholars who were interviewed for and appeared in the film are questioning some of its basic claims. The most startling change of opinion featured in the 16-page paper is that of University of Toronto statistician Professor Andrey Feuerverger, who stated those 600 to one odds in the film. Feuerverger now says that these referred to the probability of a cluster of such names appearing together. Pfann's paper reported that a statement on the Discovery Channel's Web site, which previously read "a statistical study commissioned by the broadcasters...concludes that the probability factor is 600 to 1 in favor of this being the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family," in keeping with Feuerverger's statement, has been altered and now reads, "a statistical study commissioned by the broadcasters... concludes that the probability factor is in the order of 600 to 1 that an equally 'surprising' cluster of names would arise purely by chance under given assumptions." Another sentence on the same Web site stating that Feuerverger had concluded it was highly probable that the tomb, located in the southeastern residential Jerusalem neighborhood of Talpiot, was the Jesus family tomb - the central point of the film - has also been changed. It now reads: "It is unlikely that an equally surprising cluster of names would have arisen by chance under purely random sampling." Israeli archeologists have said that the similarity of the names found inscribed on the ossuaries in the cave to the members of Jesus's family was coincidental, since many of those names were commonplace in the first century CE. The film argues that 10 ancient ossuaries - burial boxes used to store bones - that were discovered in Talpiot in 1980 contained the bones of Jesus and his family. The filmmakers attempt to explain some of the inscriptions on the ossuaries by suggesting that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and that the couple had a son, Judah. One of the ossuaries bears an inscription reading "Yeshua son of Yehosef" or "Jesus son of Joseph;" a second reads "Mary;" a third is a Greek inscription apparently read by one scholar as "Mary Magdalene;" while a fourth bears the inscription, "Judah, son of Jesus." The inscriptions are in Hebrew or Aramaic, except for the one in Greek. But Shimon Gibson, who was part of the team that excavated the tomb two and half decades ago and who appeared in the film, is quoted in Pfann's report as saying he doubted the site was the tomb of Jesus and his family. http://JPost.com » Israel » Article Apr. 11, 2007 0:58 | Updated Apr. 11, 2007 8:35 Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack By ETGAR LEFKOVITS [Print this Article] [EMail this Article] [Subscribe] [JPost Toolbar] [Download article to your iPod/mp3 player] [JPost ePaper] Talkbacks for this article: 118 (Continued from page 1 of 2) "Personally, I'm skeptical that this is the tomb of Jesus and I made this point very clear to the filmmakers," Gibson is quoted as saying. "We need much more evidence before we can say that the Talpiot tomb might be the family tomb of Jesus," he added. In the film, renowned epigrapher Prof. Frank Moore Cross, professor emeritus of Hebrew and oriental languages at Harvard University, is seen reading one of the ossuaries and stating that he has "no real doubt" that it reads "Jesus son of Joseph." But according to Pfann, Cross said in an e-mail that he was skeptical about the film's claims, not because of a misreading of the ossuary, but because of the ubiquity of Biblical names in that period in Jerusalem. "It has been reckoned that 25 percent of feminine names in this period were Maria/Miriam, etc. - that is, variants of 'Mary.' So the cited statistics are unpersuasive. You know the saying: lies, damned lies, and statistics," Cross is quoted as saying. The paper also notes that DNA scientist Dr. Carney Matheson, who supervised DNA testing carried out for the film from the supposed Jesus and Mary Magdalene ossuaries, and who said in the documentary that "these two individuals, if they were unrelated, would most likely be husband and wife," later said that "the only conclusions we made were that these two sets were not maternally related. To me, it sounds like absolutely nothing." Furthermore, Pfann also says that a specialist in ancient apocryphal text, Professor Francois Bovon, who is quoted in the film as saying the enigmatic ossuary inscription "Mariamne" is the same woman known as Mary Magdalene - one of the filmmakers' critical arguments - issued a disclaimer stating that he did not believe that "Mariamne" stood for Mary of Magdalene at all. Pfann has already argued that the controversial inscription does not read "Mariamne" at all. The burial site, which has been contested from the start by scholars and church officials alike, is some distance from the Church of the Holy Sepulchrr in the Old City, where many Christians believe Jesus's body lay for three days after he was crucified. According to the New Testament, Jesus rose from the dead on the third day after his crucifixion, and an ossuary containing Jesus's bones - the explanations of the movie director notwithstanding - would contradict the core Christian belief that he was resurrected and then ascended to heaven.
Poster Comment: just wonder who put the money up for this shipwreck. i think its good to remember that pretty much anything that attacks christianity or white, non jewish males is okeydokey. just don't attack any aspect of judaism as nonsense. can you imagine if there was a movie that came out that pointed out the direct parellels between egyptian mythology and excerpts from the book of the dead with the ten commandments and judaism? and from there went on to display the similarities between babylonian pagan gods and jehovah?
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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
The tomb in Jerusalem is almost certainly NOT the family tomb of Jesus. What would his family be doing burying everyone in Jerusalem because he died there? If I find a cemetary in UK that says "Ben Johnson" is it THE Ben Johnson, or just another Ben Johnson? While we're on the topic, I find all fascination with religious icons a form of idolatry Jesus would find morally and spiritually repugnant.
and from there went on to display the similarities between babylonian pagan gods and jehovah? I don't think there can be any doubt that is exactly what has happened. From the Epic of Gilgamesh to Amenhotep IV to Moses to Daniel to Jesus.
oh absolutely. and none of the fundies know about that. but look, all judaism is is a myth, based on the evidence supplied by those who stand to gain from others believing that myth. moses had nothing to do with the ten commandments, and some believe he was an egyptian high priest in actuality. its a house of cards. even the jewish claim of anti semitism is false. jews are not a race, they are a religion. claims of anti semitism being based on racial hatred is inherently false. people may, for reasons valid or otherwise, dislike jews, but since jews are from many different races, it is not possible to say that that dislike is based on race.
“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson “Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson
the Jewish "scholars" who wanted to lay Jesus' body in an earthly tomb knew damn well they were attacking a central tenet of the Christian faith (Christ's ascension) and that's exactly why they did it. I imagine that teams of Jewish scholars have been combing tombs all across their stolen kingdom searching for just such yellowcake proof for at least fifty years. I also doubt that they even found this cluster of "ossuaries" together. Odds 600 to 1 of finding this cluster randomly? Sure, but if you open up 10,000 tombs the odds are you will find this cluster numerous times. I recognized this for bullshit and Israeli propaganda the moment I first heard of "Jesus' tomb". I suspect political blowback has had a lot more to do with the backtracking of these scholars than any scholarly or statistical criticism. If those kinds of things had an impact on them, they wouldn't have made their reckless claim in the first place. And of course, they damn well know that so long as they don't completely back off and admit that their original story was a hoax, it will remain out there, poisoning the well of Christianity, which was after all, their entire purpose.
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i think its worth noticing that all of the recent schemes, political, religious and otherwise, are failing utterly and being exposed.
“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson “Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson
Sure, but under their "big lie" theory of propaganda, they throw enough shit at the wall and some will stick. Like Goldi's response when she first posted the "Jesus' tomb" story over at El Pee. "I don't know why Christians are upset about this, it doesn't distract from Jesus' message..." No, just his divinity. It only relegates him from being the inerrant Son of God to being a bright philosopher... And she was being completely disingenuous. First of all, she doesn't believe in the validity of Christ's message to start with. After all, he basically said that the original covenant God had with the people of Israel was void, and a new covenant had been made. Secondly, she damn sure knew that this was a pure attack on Christianity, and she damn sure knew it was provocative.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Bingo. Hopefully, no young Christians had their faith shaken by this entire fake bunch of propaganda.
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#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
can you imagine if there was a movie that came out that pointed out the direct parellels between egyptian mythology and excerpts from the book of the dead with the ten commandments and judaism?
#3. To: Paul Revere (#2)
#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#5. To: bluedogtxn (#4)
#6. To: gengis gandhi (#5)
i think its worth noticing that all of the recent schemes, political, religious and otherwise, are failing utterly and being exposed.
#7. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
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that pretty much anything that attacks christianity or white, non jewish males is okeydokey
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