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Title: BLOOD IN THE WATER; Right-wing talk shows next...
Source: Neal Boortz
URL Source: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Published: Apr 12, 2007
Author: Neal Boortz
Post Date: 2007-04-12 13:59:49 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 3167
Comments: 338

Liberals see this whole Imus situation as a way to rid themselves of the problem of talk radio. Now that they've succeeded in getting MSNBC to pull Imus' program, they'll concentrate on CBS .. trying to get the radio show cancelled. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed.

Then they will turn their attention to the rest of us. The tape recorders will be running. There is not one single significant right-of-center radio talk show out there that is not going to come under fire. Liberals know -- they've proven it to themselves -- that they simply cannot succeed in talk radio. So, it's all very simple.

If they can't succeed, destroy the genre. Their original plan was to wait until Democrats control the congress and the White House and then murder talk radio with the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Now that they're on the verge of having a talk radio scalp on their belts as retribution for a bad and mean-spirited joke, they see that they may not have to wait for the electorate to give them the power.

In the meantime... while the race industry is calling for the head of Don Imus, we have Crystal Gail Mangum of North Carolina. Who is she? She is the woman who falsely accused three members of the Duke lacrosse team of rape. Her unsubstantiated charges resulted in a media firestorm against Duke University and these lacrosse players.

Would you like to spend a few moments comparing the effect of Mangum's charges on the Duke lacrosse team and Imus' words on the Rutgers woman's basketball team? Sure! Why not! Now, let's see ...... The remainder of the Duke lacrosse season was cancelled. They were nationally ranked, and had to forfeit the rest of their games. The coach, Mike Pressler, resigned. "Mug shots" of the lacrosse players were posted on campus. Mark Anthony Neal, an African Studies professor on the campus said that this was "a case of racialized sexual violence." A Durham, N.C. resident called it "racial terrorism." In the middle of all of this we had a district attorney, Michael Nifong, who was running for reelection in a majority-black jurisdiction. There were suggestions that he wanted to be the mayor one day.

Jesse Jackson had plenty to say about this case also. In his column on http://Blacknews.com Jackson said "Predictably, the right-wing media machine has kicked in, prompting mean-spirited attacks upon the accuser's character." Later he offered to pay Mangum's tuition for a college education if her story proved true. Later he amended his promise. In January he said that the Rainbow/Push Coalition would pay her college tuition even if it turns out she completely fabricated her story! Now isn't that special? Hey sisters! How would you like to get a college scholarship from Jesse Jackson? Apparently all you have to do is lodge a false rape accusation against an all-white college sports team!

Get out your checkbook, Jesse. Now we have learned that it was a hoax. No truth. The North Carolina Attorney General's office has declared the accused players to be innocent. A State Bar investigation of Nifong continues. And thus far Jesse Jackson has not come forward to offer any comfort to the lacrosse players falsely accused by Ms. Mangum.

Now ... why even bring all of this up? Well, we have two college teams in the mix. A Rutgers women's basketball team that is largely black, and a Duke men's lacrosse team that is almost (save for one player) exclusively white. A white man insulted the Rutgers team with a mean-spirited quip. No season cancelled. No coach fired. No arrests. Nobody on the basketball team had to spend tens of thousands of dollars on defense attorneys. They were insulted. The were the targets of a stupid racially charged remark ... but that's pretty much it. But how about Duke? The Duke team members were accused of a crime. Attorneys were hired. Coaches fired. Seasons cancelled. Reputations damaged. DNA swabs were taken. Charges were filed. The district attorney was out there saying that a rape most definitely had occurred. Now we find that they were completely innocent. In the meantime the white man who made the stupid remark about the Rutgers basketball team is being attacked and vilified as if he was a mass murderer. The black woman who made the false charges of rape against the lacrosse team is going to walk. In fact, you can fully expect the civil rights establishment --- the same civil rights establishment that is united in their efforts to destroy Don Imus -- circle the wagons around Crystal Gail Mangum and protect her at all costs.

Oprah is going to have the Rutgers woman's basketball team on her show. How many of you would like to make book on when Oprah invites the Duke lacrosse team to be on her show? When pigs fly.

Back to talk radio.

The mainstream media in this country doesn't merely dislike talk radio, they hate it. Hate it with a blinding passion. How dare these "disc jockeys" get on those radio stations and spout opinions on matters of governance and public policy? Don't they know that this is a job to be left to the professionals at the New York Times and the Washington Post plus the major broadcast TV networks? What's worse, how dare the great unwashed of the general population get on these radio shows, especially the syndicated ones, and spout their ill-advised and uneducated opinions?

Think about this. You have a liberal columnist like Maureen Dowd or the insipid Tom Teepen write a column spouting some leftist dogma. That column gets published in newspapers across the country. Then you have some mechanic from Memphis get on the air with Limbaugh or Hannity to offer a differing point of view. The column may be read by a million people -- at the most. The Memphis mechanic is heard by perhaps five times that many. It just ain't right!

For years now the left has employed various tactics to marginalize talk radio. The favorite tactic is the tired "hate radio" accusation. The general idea here is that anything said on a talk radio show that is at variance with liberal dogma is "hate speech." This tactic hasn't worked ... and talk radio continues to grow.

Well .. now there's a new game plan. Use the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of this world to attack these hosts on the basis of race. That's right .. this whole Imus affair isn't really about race! The TV networks and the liberal mainstream media haven't been hammering this Imus thing day after day after day because they really care about the racial aspects of the story. If they were that concerned about the racial angle they would be playing up the Duke case to a similar extent. Race is the means, not the reason. Right now the mainstream press sees race as the key to destroying talk radio. Focus on the hosts ... wait until they say something that can be racially exploited, and then launch the relentless attack. Go after networks, stations and advertisers. Concentrate on them -- one at a time -- like hyenas looking for a meal. Select prey that looks vulnerable. Isolate that prey and go in for the kill. I don't know how many hosts there are out there who have not made comments about black politicians, celebrities or culture that could be used as the basis for a full force attack. I know I have. Have I gone overboard? You bet! Hell .. 37 years in the business, how can you not have screwed up from time to time? I've apologized in the past -- and probably will one day say something else that merits an apology. Apologies aren't enough, however. The Christian concept of forgiveness and tolerance means nothing to the "reverends" Jackson and Sharpton. They're sharks .. and there's blood in the water.

By the way ... my guess? Now that MSNBC has dumped Imus, CBS is sure to follow. Look at it this way .... NBC has canned him. How in the hell can CBS stand up to the this racially charged onslaught? "Hey, CBS! NBC did the right thing? How about you?"

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Neil has a rather full closet. He's right to sweat. Hatemongering on the public airwaves is not a nice thing. Imus was just making a joke; these asshats are dead serious.

Boortz Issues apology over McKinney smears

Summary: Neal Boortz issued an apology for his remarks that Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) looks like "a ghetto slut," saying, "I've known Cynthia McKinney for a long time, and there is no way in the world that that word should be used to describe her or her hairdo or any woman."

On the April 3 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio program, Neal Boortz issued an apology for his remarks about Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), stating, "I've known Cynthia McKinney for a long time, and there is no way in the world that that word should be used to describe her or her hairdo or any woman." As Media Matters for America noted, Boortz said that McKinney, "looks like a ghetto slut" during the March 31 broadcast of his radio program, and later added that he didn't "blame them [Capitol police] for stopping" McKinney during a March 29 incident at the Capitol because she had a "ghetto trash" haircut and "looked like a welfare drag queen [that] was trying to sneak into the Longworth House Office Building." In issuing the apology, Boortz added that it "won't mean anything to people who consider any negative comment or criticism of any type at any time about anybody who is not white to be racism."

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   14:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mekons4 (#1)

Boo-rtz has zero credibility.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-12   14:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

I think reviving the fairness doctrine is a great idea. I would love to hear some well informed person come on after Limbaugh and point out the lies and spin. It would keep These propaganda spewers honest. And that's what is scaring this guy.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   15:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#0)

Their original plan was to wait until Democrats control the congress and the White House and then murder talk radio with the so-called "Fairness Doctrine."

Oh no, Neil...I don't want you and hannity and the hypocrite pillboy to be shut down because of a new version of the "fairness" doctrine. I want you all on the air when some marxist cunt like Hitlery gets control of all that extra-constitutional power you fucks cheerleaded over the past five years. Then the first time you say something on air that displeases her, you end up being labeled as aiding terrorists and hauled off to Club Gitmo. There won't be any Roy Black or other million dollar lawyer to get you out of it...you'll just be gone, getting the business end of the police state you had to have.

"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." Tipi Turtle: 1985

orangedog  posted on  2007-04-12   15:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Destro (#2)

Boo-rtz has zero credibility.

Regardless, Boortz is correct in pointing out the Modern Inquisition and issuing a warning.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   15:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: orangedog (#4)

Then the first time you say something on air that displeases her, you end up being labeled as aiding terrorists and hauled off to Club Gitmo. There won't be any Roy Black or other million dollar lawyer to get you out of it...you'll just be gone, getting the business end of the police state you had to have.

They were just trying to keep you safe from Terrah-ists and Islamofascists. What, you don't like being safe? You liberals are all the same. Y'all have risky sex lives, all of y'all, but you can't put us all at risk from terrah-ists and Islamofascists.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   15:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mekons4 (#6)

They were just trying to keep you safe from Terrah-ists and Islamofascists.

They can stop doing me favors anytime.

"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." Tipi Turtle: 1985

orangedog  posted on  2007-04-12   15:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage (#5)

Regardless, Boortz is correct in pointing out the Modern Inquisition and issuing a warning.

There's no reason Boortz and his ilk should not be held to the same standard as a newspaper or magazine. They slander and libel people all the time and get away with it. They're operatives for one political party, but never disclose their affiliations.

I love how afraid of giving equal time he is. If you're going to take one position all the time, call your opponents traitors, fulminate for stupid, murderous wars, and rant and rave dishonestly, there should be some mechanism to show your audience you're a liar.

Talk radio has not added a single positive thing to this country, unlike newspapers and the Internet, where opposing opinions are readily available.

These disinformationists always want to hide behind "I'm just an entertainer." If so, they won't mind having someone fact-check what they say. There's no linkage between entertainment and lying.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   15:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mekons4 (#8) (Edited)

There's no reason Boortz and his ilk should not be held to the same standard as a newspaper or magazine.

What standard is that? There are none.

Flushing Korans down a toilet? Ever try that? It doesn't work. If you want to try it, I'll send you one. PM me if you want to give it a whirl.

Jayson Blair? He got away with "inventing" news for years and then it was quietly swept under the rug.

There are no standards in journalism these days. There is no journalism in the MSM nowadays. It is ALL about 'shaping opinions' and not about providing genuine news. Its the same in education. What education? Its about shaping opinions as opposed to teaching facts and figures.

How can anyone say "standards" in journalism nowadays when there are none?

Calling for the "fairness doctrine" means that one hates freedom. Air America can't make it commercially. Why should private industry be forced to subsidize left-wing commentary?

So tell me, why do you hate the First Amendment and freedom of choice so much?

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   15:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#0)

By the way ... my guess? Now that MSNBC has dumped Imus, CBS is sure to follow. Look at it this way .... NBC has canned him. How in the hell can CBS stand up to the this racially charged onslaught? "Hey, CBS! NBC did the right thing? How about you?"

Lefties playing hardball with scum like Boortz, Hannity, Limpdick and Coulter. Who'd have thought they had it in them.

Oh, the horror! The horror!

This from the guys who've apologized for torture camps and extraordinary renditions for the last four years.

You wanna play nice now? Why?

Oh. 'Cause you're losing.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-12   16:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: orangedog (#4)

I want you all on the air when some marxist cunt like Hitlery gets control of all that extra-constitutional power you fucks cheerleaded over the past five years.

Effing brilliant post, Od. Brilliant!

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-12   16:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#5)

Regardless, Boortz is correct in pointing out the Modern Inquisition and issuing a warning.

Modern inquisition?

I didn't see no State Actors at work here. No torture, no renditions, no dungeons, no hangings...

Just an ass who ran afoul of public opinion, and by extension, his sponsors.

His mistake, not theirs. Pepsi knows damn well when a spokesperson is damaged goods.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-12   16:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mekons4 (#8)

I don't want "equal time" mandated. I've got satellite, and I listen to Talk Left all the time (as you can imagine), and half of them just plain suck shit. Like Alex Bennett and Lynn Samuels. Just used up radio people with no where else to deliver their idiotic schtick. Bennett and Samuels are no more "liberals" or even political than the Back Street Boys.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-12   16:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#5)

Censorhip sucks - but the guy has zero cred on the issue - they won't be after the right wing talk show hosts - unless it can be proven that the talk show hosts were given money to push an agenda. We have circumstantial evidence of such a program.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-12   16:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage (#9)

Why should private industry be forced to subsidize left-wing commentary?

They shouldn't. But why should a right wing propaganda engine be given exclusive use of MY airwaves? If they want to spew one sided bile, let them go on cable or sirrus.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Brian S (#0)

Standard reichwing blather conspiracy nonesense about nebulous "liberals." No "liberals" undid Imus Niel. He did it to himself. What "conservative" is going to stand up and defend those words? He was fired by a huge corporate entity that is more or less an arm of the Federal government whose wars and overall policies you generally support for offending the designated "leaders" of a minotiry group. You are free to spew your anti Moslem non sense all day long- cheer for wars you would never fight yourself if it was your neck and just your dime. You are free to, like you do here, to make spurious connections and infer vast liberal "conspiracies" all about you- like connecting Imus being fired to the Duke Lacross team to some sort of conspiracy to get your state loving ass of the air.

Niel- you and all the other reichwinger hate mongers are safe. You know it- I know it- stop playing the victim. All you have to do is NOT pick on black people. That's it. Stay away from making disparging generalized remarks about black people Niel. Can you do that? Sure you can. You can call Mexicans "dirty wetbacks" like Jay Severin does everyday in Boston on his program. You can equate Moslems to rats and vermin- like a Nazi would a Jew- and get away with it. You can- at the soccer practice driving hour in the middle of the day call for murdering half the planet with nuclear holocaust or praise the murderer of civilians by the "hero" troops all you want Niel. Just shy away from saying things like "nappy headed ho's." Oh- and don't mention Building Seven, the NORAD standdown, why OBL hasn't been captured, or the fact that AQ doesn't exist. But you knew that already Niel- didn't you?

I might have some respect for these reichwingers if they didn't call not merely for the banning of a broad spectrum of opinion and topics they don't like from the airwaves but for the exectution of their political foes. Hell- didn't Niel write something about how any cable company that aired Al Jazeera would be a traitor?

What a clown and a bore.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   16:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ... (#15)

But why should a right wing propaganda engine be given exclusive use of MY airwaves? If they want to spew one sided bile, let them go on cable or sirrus.

Anyone can start up a radio station or buy one. If you have a problem with the programming, get some money together and take care of the problem.

There doesn't seem to be a lack of that going on judging by what is on the dial.

Are you saying that right-wingers should be denied the same rights that everyone else has? When did we go from "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" to "KEEP THESE PEOPLE OFF THE AIR" ???

Freedom is dying a death by a thousand cuts in this country and that death is being caused from all parts of the political spectrum. We truly are becoming a people who hate freedom and want the Government to regulate our lives entirely.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   16:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ... (#15)

But why should a right wing propaganda engine be given exclusive use of MY airwaves?

The key word being propaganda. Pigboy flat-out admitted he was carrying water for Bush and the rest of the GOP. These are political operatives, not entertainers, and they should be fact-checked in real time.

There are many conservative hosts who allow honest discussion, don't cut off people who disagree with them, and aren't spewing the exact same talking points every single day.

These are public airwaves. If one party is going to control them, they should be forced to be honest. And the best way to do that is to have instant response when they lie.

Hannity, for instance, is continuing to repeat the lie that a CNN reporter was drunk and heckling McCain in Baghdad. A check of the videotape shows no such thing happened. But he continues to spew it with no rebuttal.

There is no reason the GOP should own the AM airwaves.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mirage (#17)

Anyone can start up a radio station or buy one.

Wrong. The spectrum is very limited and belongs to the entire population. That was the original basis for the fairness doctrine.

That is also the goal of Clear Channel, tu buy up the available spectrum and keep not GOP opinion off of it.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mekons4 (#18)

I've seen the fairness doctrine in operation and it doesn't hurt anyone. If someone like Rush spent an hour slamming someone, the station would give the target person a "reasonable time" to rebut. Usually five minutes or so. It's this objectivity that scares the shit out of the propagandists. They know it wouldn't take much more than this to destroy them.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ... (#19)

Judging by the number of Spanish stations, one would have to say "That assessment appears to be in error."

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   16:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mirage (#17)

Are you saying that right-wingers should be denied the same rights that everyone else has?

No, but I am saying the other people should have the same rights as the right wingers have.

Maybe not to buy up the spectrum the way the Bush family and Clear Channey has and then boot off all non-conforming opinion, but everyone should have equal access to the public airwaves.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mirage (#17)

Anyone can start up a radio station or buy one.

Tell that to the small stations kicked off the air when a larger one wanted to expand its reach. Or the pirate station owners arrested. Or the low-power FM stations disenfranchised by larger stations (including the so-called liberal NPR).

Radio stations don't "own" anything. They are granted a license to broadcast, in the public interest, on a certain band of the AM or FM dial.

Why do you object to fact-checking? You don't get the right to lie just because you bought up someone's license to broadcast.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mirage (#21)

Judging by the number of Spanish stations, one would have to say "That assessment appears to be in error."

Red Herring? Since when did the fairness doctrine ever, ever, ever apply to the music format or the language used in the broadcast?

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Destro (#2)

Boo-rtz has zero credibility.

Yep, only people of low intelligence give him the time of day.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-04-12   16:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mirage (#21)

Recall that the GOP now controlls the FCC. Putting Powells kid on the four member board cinched the deal. That has allowed Bush's buddies and largest campaign contributors at Clear Channel to basically take over the spectrum and enforce orthodoxy. You say this one sided propganda enforced by the state is a good thing. Why is that?

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mekons4 (#18)

Nothning has to be done. The "reichwing" is imploding. Lies catch up with the spewers eventually. Fox, even among reichwingers, isn't considered a serious "news" source. It's a 24/7 celebrity gossip channel that manages to fill the gaps with crude reichwinger propaganda. It will fall on its own.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   16:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mekons4, mirage, bluedogtxn, burkeman1 (#8) (Edited)

They're operatives for one political party, but never disclose their affiliations.

They get their talking points directly from the Rove office - because the White House taking points are mirrored exactly by the talk show operatives. We also have evidence of payments made to talk show hosts and opinion reporters to push White House approved spin on stories. That story went away when it should not have.

So these talk show hosts are more than likely operatives and should be exposed. There is no way that all these people can sound alike and say things in ways to bolster White House Spin unless they were operatives.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-12   16:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Burkeman1 (#27)

Fox, even among reichwingers, isn't considered a serious "news" source. It's a 24/7 celebrity gossip channel that manages to fill the gaps with crude reichwinger propaganda.

It's fine if offered on cable or satellite channels, but government propaganda outlets should not be allowed exclusive control of the public airwaves.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mekons4 (#23)

Why do you object to fact-checking?

I don't object to fact-checking. If you want to do that, then go right ahead.

I have an issue with people wanting to bring down Government Regulation in violation of the First Amendment and obliterate people's freedom of choice.

If you don't want to read a particular newspaper, don't do it.

If you don't want to listen to a particular radio show, don't do it.

But don't deny people the right to publish or the right to offer their opinions.

I'll ask the question again: Why do you hate freedom so much?

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   16:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mirage (#30)

If you don't want to listen to a particular radio show, don't do it.

How about if the President's best friend uses political connections to buy up all the bandwidth and then tells you what you can and cannot hear?

What if the programming, such and Limbaugh and Hannity, is offered free of charge to the member stations show the market forces are taken out of the equation?

That is what is happening here today.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mirage (#30)

You approve of GOP ownership of the AM radio band, evidently. Just TRY finding a fair, balanced talk show on AM radio. You can't.

The airwaves belong to ME, not to Rush Limbaugh. If he abuses them, he should either be forced to submit to instant rebuttal or he should be kicked off the air or stations carrying his show should lose their licenses.

The reason the airwaves are a public trust is to defend against exactly what is happening, a news monopoly operated by one political party. If you really love one-party government, well, there's not much I can say.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mirage (#30)

But don't deny people the right to publish or the right to offer their opinions.

Let Bush's best friend buy up all the bandwidth for Clear Channel and then let HIM deny people the right to publish their opinions. Is that what you are advocating here? That is the situation we are fast approaching.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mirage, Mekons4, bluedogtxn (#30)

But don't deny people the right to publish or the right to offer their opinions.

No one has a right of speech via the airwaves per say - that is the basis for censorship by the FCC - Any type of fairness doctrine would not restrict speech rights via airwave because there is none. The fairness doctrine was eliminated for business reasons not free speech ones when deregulation of the broadcast business went into effect in the 80s.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-12   16:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mirage (#30)

Why do you hate freedom so much?

You obviously define freedom as allowing the state, through Bush and Clear Channel Corporation, to determine what you hear over the media.

I define it differently.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Destro (#28)

I have no doubt they work closely with this administration and government to push a standard proganda line day by day. But that isn't illegal but there is a question of limited airwave space that gov has the power to license over which can't be ignored. I generally am oppossed to any government interference IN ANY FORM with the media.

Now- if it can be proved that tax payer money is being used to pay off journalists to push reichwinger spew- that, in my mind- is a jailable offense and impeachable.

Being a shill catches up with you eventually- people catch on that you are a mouthpiece. O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh? Do they have a 10nth of broad credibility that they enjoyed in 2000? No. They don't. Their ratings have flatlined or fallen- and all they have left are their hardcore dopes who can't think for themselves anyway. Limbaugh isn't considered a serious commentator of the American political scene. He is seen as mouthpiece for the GOP. He isn't even the center of villification among "liberals" anymore because he isn't worth it. He has no influence outside his hardcorp 20 million.

Fox may not die tomorrow. But it will NEVER have respectibility or be considered a REAL news service.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   16:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mekons4 (#32)

Who determines who gets to "rebut" Rush? Who determines when he is lying? Who determines what is "Fair"? The "fairness doctrine" is itself censorship. "Liberals" need to start up their own radio programs. From what I have heard - they did- and it failed. Too bad. I am sorry there is no audience for the Dem version of the two party fraud. But there it is.

I despise Rush Limbaugh. I can't stand the sound of his voice. But you know what? I used to effing LOVE HIM. I, changed my mind- because he is a liar and a fraud and an all around disgusting man. I didn't need some behind the scenes power selecting who gets to "rebut" Rush and on what to change my mind.

Imagine a Liberal talk show host- who says something like "Bush lied us into war." Does that merit a "rebuttal" from a reichwinger spin meister? So he can come on and say - No- he didn't lie- he was "mis-informed"? Do you not see the power a "Fairness doctrine" has to limit or stifle free speech?

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   16:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mekons4, Destro, bluedogtxn, ... (#32)

Just TRY finding a fair, balanced talk show on AM radio. You can't.

620AM here in Portland, OR is "progressive talk" - so I found a balance without even having to resort to a directory. Care to try again?

Here is the problem with what you propose.

The "fairness doctrine" will have to apply to ALL broadcasting as I understand it.

Since CBS "broadcasts" - each time Letterman bashes Bush, then CBS will have to put Ann Coulter on to rebut.

Every time Garrison Keillor says "I'm a Democrat" on NPR, they bring on Bill O'Reilly.

You will EXPAND the "reichwinger" reach instead of limiting them to Fox News (which, being cable, would not be touched) and AM talk radio.

This is the Law of Unintended Consequences at work. Congratulations. You just had half the newsrooms in America fired and replaced with GOP operatives in the name of "fairness."

That will be the result of supporting such a thing. That is where your advocacy will take us. The reach of the "reichwingers" will be expanded as opposed to contracted.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   17:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Burkeman1 (#37)

"Liberals" need to start up their own radio programs. From what I have heard - they did- and it failed.

They need GOP sponsored programming like Rush and Hannity. The advantage conservative radio has is that it is free from market forces. The programming is distributed free of charge. Nobody really knows who pays the multi-million dollar bills at EIB, but there is a suspicion that it is a partisan connection.

You say that allowing someone who is attacked on the public airwaves equal time to respond is censorship. How so?

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   17:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mirage (#38)

Since CBS "broadcasts" - each time Letterman bashes Bush, then CBS will have to put Ann Coulter on to rebut.

Over the top spin.

That didn't happen in the past and I don't see why it has to happen now. The person or organization who is attacked is allowed equal time to rebut and may appear in person or may designate a spokesman.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   17:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: ... (#40)

Over the top spin.

Not in the slightest.

When the doors are opened to "challenge fairness" do you really think that Ms. Coulter will give up the opportunity to put her voice everywhere she can?

There are consequences to every action. When one fixes one defect, one always introduces another. That is just how things work.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   17:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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