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Title: BLOOD IN THE WATER; Right-wing talk shows next...
Source: Neal Boortz
URL Source: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Published: Apr 12, 2007
Author: Neal Boortz
Post Date: 2007-04-12 13:59:49 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 3054
Comments: 338

Liberals see this whole Imus situation as a way to rid themselves of the problem of talk radio. Now that they've succeeded in getting MSNBC to pull Imus' program, they'll concentrate on CBS .. trying to get the radio show cancelled. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed.

Then they will turn their attention to the rest of us. The tape recorders will be running. There is not one single significant right-of-center radio talk show out there that is not going to come under fire. Liberals know -- they've proven it to themselves -- that they simply cannot succeed in talk radio. So, it's all very simple.

If they can't succeed, destroy the genre. Their original plan was to wait until Democrats control the congress and the White House and then murder talk radio with the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Now that they're on the verge of having a talk radio scalp on their belts as retribution for a bad and mean-spirited joke, they see that they may not have to wait for the electorate to give them the power.

In the meantime... while the race industry is calling for the head of Don Imus, we have Crystal Gail Mangum of North Carolina. Who is she? She is the woman who falsely accused three members of the Duke lacrosse team of rape. Her unsubstantiated charges resulted in a media firestorm against Duke University and these lacrosse players.

Would you like to spend a few moments comparing the effect of Mangum's charges on the Duke lacrosse team and Imus' words on the Rutgers woman's basketball team? Sure! Why not! Now, let's see ...... The remainder of the Duke lacrosse season was cancelled. They were nationally ranked, and had to forfeit the rest of their games. The coach, Mike Pressler, resigned. "Mug shots" of the lacrosse players were posted on campus. Mark Anthony Neal, an African Studies professor on the campus said that this was "a case of racialized sexual violence." A Durham, N.C. resident called it "racial terrorism." In the middle of all of this we had a district attorney, Michael Nifong, who was running for reelection in a majority-black jurisdiction. There were suggestions that he wanted to be the mayor one day.

Jesse Jackson had plenty to say about this case also. In his column on http://Blacknews.com Jackson said "Predictably, the right-wing media machine has kicked in, prompting mean-spirited attacks upon the accuser's character." Later he offered to pay Mangum's tuition for a college education if her story proved true. Later he amended his promise. In January he said that the Rainbow/Push Coalition would pay her college tuition even if it turns out she completely fabricated her story! Now isn't that special? Hey sisters! How would you like to get a college scholarship from Jesse Jackson? Apparently all you have to do is lodge a false rape accusation against an all-white college sports team!

Get out your checkbook, Jesse. Now we have learned that it was a hoax. No truth. The North Carolina Attorney General's office has declared the accused players to be innocent. A State Bar investigation of Nifong continues. And thus far Jesse Jackson has not come forward to offer any comfort to the lacrosse players falsely accused by Ms. Mangum.

Now ... why even bring all of this up? Well, we have two college teams in the mix. A Rutgers women's basketball team that is largely black, and a Duke men's lacrosse team that is almost (save for one player) exclusively white. A white man insulted the Rutgers team with a mean-spirited quip. No season cancelled. No coach fired. No arrests. Nobody on the basketball team had to spend tens of thousands of dollars on defense attorneys. They were insulted. The were the targets of a stupid racially charged remark ... but that's pretty much it. But how about Duke? The Duke team members were accused of a crime. Attorneys were hired. Coaches fired. Seasons cancelled. Reputations damaged. DNA swabs were taken. Charges were filed. The district attorney was out there saying that a rape most definitely had occurred. Now we find that they were completely innocent. In the meantime the white man who made the stupid remark about the Rutgers basketball team is being attacked and vilified as if he was a mass murderer. The black woman who made the false charges of rape against the lacrosse team is going to walk. In fact, you can fully expect the civil rights establishment --- the same civil rights establishment that is united in their efforts to destroy Don Imus -- circle the wagons around Crystal Gail Mangum and protect her at all costs.

Oprah is going to have the Rutgers woman's basketball team on her show. How many of you would like to make book on when Oprah invites the Duke lacrosse team to be on her show? When pigs fly.

Back to talk radio.

The mainstream media in this country doesn't merely dislike talk radio, they hate it. Hate it with a blinding passion. How dare these "disc jockeys" get on those radio stations and spout opinions on matters of governance and public policy? Don't they know that this is a job to be left to the professionals at the New York Times and the Washington Post plus the major broadcast TV networks? What's worse, how dare the great unwashed of the general population get on these radio shows, especially the syndicated ones, and spout their ill-advised and uneducated opinions?

Think about this. You have a liberal columnist like Maureen Dowd or the insipid Tom Teepen write a column spouting some leftist dogma. That column gets published in newspapers across the country. Then you have some mechanic from Memphis get on the air with Limbaugh or Hannity to offer a differing point of view. The column may be read by a million people -- at the most. The Memphis mechanic is heard by perhaps five times that many. It just ain't right!

For years now the left has employed various tactics to marginalize talk radio. The favorite tactic is the tired "hate radio" accusation. The general idea here is that anything said on a talk radio show that is at variance with liberal dogma is "hate speech." This tactic hasn't worked ... and talk radio continues to grow.

Well .. now there's a new game plan. Use the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of this world to attack these hosts on the basis of race. That's right .. this whole Imus affair isn't really about race! The TV networks and the liberal mainstream media haven't been hammering this Imus thing day after day after day because they really care about the racial aspects of the story. If they were that concerned about the racial angle they would be playing up the Duke case to a similar extent. Race is the means, not the reason. Right now the mainstream press sees race as the key to destroying talk radio. Focus on the hosts ... wait until they say something that can be racially exploited, and then launch the relentless attack. Go after networks, stations and advertisers. Concentrate on them -- one at a time -- like hyenas looking for a meal. Select prey that looks vulnerable. Isolate that prey and go in for the kill. I don't know how many hosts there are out there who have not made comments about black politicians, celebrities or culture that could be used as the basis for a full force attack. I know I have. Have I gone overboard? You bet! Hell .. 37 years in the business, how can you not have screwed up from time to time? I've apologized in the past -- and probably will one day say something else that merits an apology. Apologies aren't enough, however. The Christian concept of forgiveness and tolerance means nothing to the "reverends" Jackson and Sharpton. They're sharks .. and there's blood in the water.

By the way ... my guess? Now that MSNBC has dumped Imus, CBS is sure to follow. Look at it this way .... NBC has canned him. How in the hell can CBS stand up to the this racially charged onslaught? "Hey, CBS! NBC did the right thing? How about you?"

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Neil has a rather full closet. He's right to sweat. Hatemongering on the public airwaves is not a nice thing. Imus was just making a joke; these asshats are dead serious.

Boortz Issues apology over McKinney smears

Summary: Neal Boortz issued an apology for his remarks that Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) looks like "a ghetto slut," saying, "I've known Cynthia McKinney for a long time, and there is no way in the world that that word should be used to describe her or her hairdo or any woman."

On the April 3 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio program, Neal Boortz issued an apology for his remarks about Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), stating, "I've known Cynthia McKinney for a long time, and there is no way in the world that that word should be used to describe her or her hairdo or any woman." As Media Matters for America noted, Boortz said that McKinney, "looks like a ghetto slut" during the March 31 broadcast of his radio program, and later added that he didn't "blame them [Capitol police] for stopping" McKinney during a March 29 incident at the Capitol because she had a "ghetto trash" haircut and "looked like a welfare drag queen [that] was trying to sneak into the Longworth House Office Building." In issuing the apology, Boortz added that it "won't mean anything to people who consider any negative comment or criticism of any type at any time about anybody who is not white to be racism."

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   14:16:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mekons4 (#1)

Boo-rtz has zero credibility.

Destro  posted on  2007-04-12   14:56:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Destro (#2)

Boo-rtz has zero credibility.

Regardless, Boortz is correct in pointing out the Modern Inquisition and issuing a warning.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   15:27:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage (#5)

Regardless, Boortz is correct in pointing out the Modern Inquisition and issuing a warning.

There's no reason Boortz and his ilk should not be held to the same standard as a newspaper or magazine. They slander and libel people all the time and get away with it. They're operatives for one political party, but never disclose their affiliations.

I love how afraid of giving equal time he is. If you're going to take one position all the time, call your opponents traitors, fulminate for stupid, murderous wars, and rant and rave dishonestly, there should be some mechanism to show your audience you're a liar.

Talk radio has not added a single positive thing to this country, unlike newspapers and the Internet, where opposing opinions are readily available.

These disinformationists always want to hide behind "I'm just an entertainer." If so, they won't mind having someone fact-check what they say. There's no linkage between entertainment and lying.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   15:38:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mekons4 (#8) (Edited)

There's no reason Boortz and his ilk should not be held to the same standard as a newspaper or magazine.

What standard is that? There are none.

Flushing Korans down a toilet? Ever try that? It doesn't work. If you want to try it, I'll send you one. PM me if you want to give it a whirl.

Jayson Blair? He got away with "inventing" news for years and then it was quietly swept under the rug.

There are no standards in journalism these days. There is no journalism in the MSM nowadays. It is ALL about 'shaping opinions' and not about providing genuine news. Its the same in education. What education? Its about shaping opinions as opposed to teaching facts and figures.

How can anyone say "standards" in journalism nowadays when there are none?

Calling for the "fairness doctrine" means that one hates freedom. Air America can't make it commercially. Why should private industry be forced to subsidize left-wing commentary?

So tell me, why do you hate the First Amendment and freedom of choice so much?

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   15:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage (#9)

Why should private industry be forced to subsidize left-wing commentary?

They shouldn't. But why should a right wing propaganda engine be given exclusive use of MY airwaves? If they want to spew one sided bile, let them go on cable or sirrus.

...  posted on  2007-04-12   16:16:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ... (#15)

But why should a right wing propaganda engine be given exclusive use of MY airwaves? If they want to spew one sided bile, let them go on cable or sirrus.

Anyone can start up a radio station or buy one. If you have a problem with the programming, get some money together and take care of the problem.

There doesn't seem to be a lack of that going on judging by what is on the dial.

Are you saying that right-wingers should be denied the same rights that everyone else has? When did we go from "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" to "KEEP THESE PEOPLE OFF THE AIR" ???

Freedom is dying a death by a thousand cuts in this country and that death is being caused from all parts of the political spectrum. We truly are becoming a people who hate freedom and want the Government to regulate our lives entirely.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   16:24:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mirage (#17)

Anyone can start up a radio station or buy one.

Tell that to the small stations kicked off the air when a larger one wanted to expand its reach. Or the pirate station owners arrested. Or the low-power FM stations disenfranchised by larger stations (including the so-called liberal NPR).

Radio stations don't "own" anything. They are granted a license to broadcast, in the public interest, on a certain band of the AM or FM dial.

Why do you object to fact-checking? You don't get the right to lie just because you bought up someone's license to broadcast.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:31:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mekons4 (#23)

Why do you object to fact-checking?

I don't object to fact-checking. If you want to do that, then go right ahead.

I have an issue with people wanting to bring down Government Regulation in violation of the First Amendment and obliterate people's freedom of choice.

If you don't want to read a particular newspaper, don't do it.

If you don't want to listen to a particular radio show, don't do it.

But don't deny people the right to publish or the right to offer their opinions.

I'll ask the question again: Why do you hate freedom so much?

mirage  posted on  2007-04-12   16:37:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mirage (#30)

You approve of GOP ownership of the AM radio band, evidently. Just TRY finding a fair, balanced talk show on AM radio. You can't.

The airwaves belong to ME, not to Rush Limbaugh. If he abuses them, he should either be forced to submit to instant rebuttal or he should be kicked off the air or stations carrying his show should lose their licenses.

The reason the airwaves are a public trust is to defend against exactly what is happening, a news monopoly operated by one political party. If you really love one-party government, well, there's not much I can say.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:43:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mekons4 (#32)

Who determines who gets to "rebut" Rush? Who determines when he is lying? Who determines what is "Fair"? The "fairness doctrine" is itself censorship. "Liberals" need to start up their own radio programs. From what I have heard - they did- and it failed. Too bad. I am sorry there is no audience for the Dem version of the two party fraud. But there it is.

I despise Rush Limbaugh. I can't stand the sound of his voice. But you know what? I used to effing LOVE HIM. I, changed my mind- because he is a liar and a fraud and an all around disgusting man. I didn't need some behind the scenes power selecting who gets to "rebut" Rush and on what to change my mind.

Imagine a Liberal talk show host- who says something like "Bush lied us into war." Does that merit a "rebuttal" from a reichwinger spin meister? So he can come on and say - No- he didn't lie- he was "mis-informed"? Do you not see the power a "Fairness doctrine" has to limit or stifle free speech?

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   16:59:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Burkeman1 (#37)

"Liberals" need to start up their own radio programs. From what I have heard - they did- and it failed.

They need GOP sponsored programming like Rush and Hannity. The advantage conservative radio has is that it is free from market forces. The programming is distributed free of charge. Nobody really knows who pays the multi-million dollar bills at EIB, but there is a suspicion that it is a partisan connection.

You say that allowing someone who is attacked on the public airwaves equal time to respond is censorship. How so?

...  posted on  2007-04-12   17:03:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ... (#39)

It's censorship. Pure and simple. So, if I say Bush lied us into war- what I consider an OBVIOUS truth- some GOPER liar is to be given "equal time" to "rebut" that with some nonsense illogical glop that merely confuses and defuses my point?

Already- we have a media that is INCAPABLE of calling a spade a spade. The most obvious malfeasance and wrongdoing is flubbed over with spin that our media refuses to call it what it is- total shit and illogical nonsense. And you want to compound that already? You want every nonsensical argument to be given equal time with facts?

I'm don't like that Reichwinger liars are more popular than commentators I would rather listen too. But I don't want to see some state org mandating that every remotely contentious remark be given a rebuttal. Do you not see the power that puts in the hands of the state to limit debate to an even narrower range of opinion than we already have?

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   17:12:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Burkeman1 (#44)

It may be censorship.......my concern is finding a leftie that I could enjoy listening to.

I AM NOT A LEFTIE....just wanted to make the point that they're every bit as boring and disgusting as the righties.

I live in the boondocks of the Rocky Mountains and have been able to get wafting radio waves on occasion. I've tried listening to the lefties out of los angeles and san fran.....and simply can't hack them. And if I had to listen to more than 45 seconds of mario como, I'd be throwing up.

I've virtually given up talk radio........hopefully someone can recommend someone legit.

rowdee  posted on  2007-04-12   17:55:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: rowdee (#67)

See- why does it have to be "leftie"? This "fairness" doctine would limit debate in this country to this "right/left" false dichotomy. I am sick of it. It is already firmly entrenched. I don't want to hear the "liberal" rebuttal to Rush. I want to hear the libertarian rebuttal or the anarchist rebuttal or the paleo conservative rebuttal. Those opinions might as well not exist right now anyway as far as our media is concerned. With a "Fairness doctrine" they woud never see the light of the day.

With a "Fairness doctrine" there would be no Rush Limbaugh show. There would be no political opinion shows at all. Every political show - on TV and Radio- would resemble "Meet The Press". With A GOPER LIAR and a DEM LIAR "debating" how many angels fit atop a pin point. That is what a "Fainess" doctrine would enshrine.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   18:18:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Burkeman1 (#70) (Edited)

See- why does it have to be "leftie"?

Yep. But that is where it would end under this so-called 'fairness' doctrine. [EDIT: Note that elections are virtually only lefties or righties--it is because they've made frigging election laws such that others have virtually no chance of success--and that is just the way they want it.] Other opinions, as you noted, would be lost, if ever initially found, in the shuffle of 'liar, liar pants afire' crap emanating from the righties or the lefties.

I want to listen to whoever I want to listen to--or to listen to no one. I can think for myself--I sure as hell don't need the pilldown man or a nutty rebuttal from a leftie.

Next thing you know, people will be demanding that laws be passed to make people be smarter/think smarter/do it 'their' way/blah blah blah.

The market will take care of it....IMO.

rowdee  posted on  2007-04-12   19:09:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: rowdee (#77)

The problem is that the media market in this country may be rigged. Thus I can see why people are groping about for "solutions". But a "fairness doctrine" would be a treatment worse than the disease.

It would merely have the effect of making our political discourse sound more Sovietesque and boring. Rush and Hannity and O'Reilly- put on a show- and dress up their beltway toadyism as somehow "popular."

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-12   19:13:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Burkeman1 (#78)

The problem is that the media market in this country may be rigged.

There may be some back room shady deals the gubmint uses to get its propaganda out but there is no shortage of available bandwith for opposing views to get out. It's just the typical whining of people who don't want to pony up the money.

A top 50 market station can be had for less than people on the coasts pay for a decent house.

http://www.buysellradio.com/

http://www.radiobroker.com/

http://broadcaststations4sale.com/sale.html

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-12   19:52:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: SmokinOPs (#84)

There may be some back room shady deals the gubmint uses to get its propaganda out but there is no shortage of available bandwith for opposing views to get out. It's just the typical whining of people who don't want to pony up the money.

I think the stations you are talking about here are the local stations in sparesly populated regions with ranges of about thirty miles. They have to shut down at night to allow the clear channel stations to take over. They have a very small audience reach and that is why they are cheap.

...  posted on  2007-04-12   22:50:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: ... (#93) (Edited)

I think the stations you are talking about here are the local stations in sparesly populated regions with ranges of about thirty miles. They have to shut down at night to allow the clear channel stations to take over. They have a very small audience reach and that is why they are cheap.

Nope, many of those listed are Class As. You can buy a station in Raleigh NC with a metro population of 1 million for under 500k. I hope you weren't thinking you were going to start off with a transmitter on the Chrysler building for 10,000.

Hop to it. If people like what you have for programming you can take your profits and buy another and another. You'll be a media mogul in no time.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-12   23:28:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: SmokinOPs (#96)

Nope, many of those listed are Class As. You can buy a station in Raleigh NC with a metro population of 1 million for under 500k.

Just scanned your list and it looks like anything over 5kW goes up to at least a million bucks right away. You are not going to change the world with a low power transmitter covering a medium sized town in South Carolina.

...  posted on  2007-04-12   23:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: ... (#99)

Just scanned your list and it looks like anything over 5kW goes up to at least a million bucks right away. You are not going to change the world with a low power transmitter covering a medium sized town in South Carolina.

5kw isn't a low power transmitter. It's a Class B and a pretty good radius.

This station right here will get you coverage of atleast 1.5 million during the daytime in the capital of the most populous state in the country. That's 33 cents per potential listener.

"NORTHERN CALIFORNIA... right off major interstate near the State Capital. Daytime with very good coverage, 1560 on dial, nice equipment. Lease both studio and tower site on very long term lease, now in place. Asking $600,000 with $250,000 down. Balance to be paid over 5 years. Call or email Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details."

Are you going to call the bank about a loan or keep bitching about how you can't get your message out. Hell, in a few years every major city will probably have total wi-fi coverage and you'll be able to broadcast at home for free in your underwear.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   0:42:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: SmokinOPs (#107)

5kw isn't a low power transmitter. It's a Class B and a pretty good radius.

This station right here will get you coverage of atleast 1.5 million during the daytime in the capital of the most populous state in the country. That's 33 cents per potential listener.

Nice Red Herring and you are doing a good job of pumping it.

But why should I have to buy a radio station to get back the public airways? This was decided back in the 1940s. They are the public domain. They should serve the public and not mearly function as a vehicle for pro government propaganda outlet.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   0:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: ... (#109)

Nice Red Herring and you are doing a good job of pumping it.

Not a red herring at all, but it has been a good excercise in getting you to show how lazy and cheap you are.

I mean why spend your own money and drop your own sweat getting your message out when you can just have the government whip out its guns and make people listen to you.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   0:52:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: SmokinOPs (#113)

I mean why spend your own money and drop your own sweat getting your message out when you can just have the government whip out its guns and make people listen to you.

Actually, I think it's wrong for the government to appropriate a public trust for its own personal propaganda purposes. Exactly the same as if the government took over a harbor, a national forest or a road and only allowed card carrying party members to use it.

If they want to do this, there is plenty of unlimited bandwidth they can buy and use on cable, internet, etc. They don't need to steal the public airways to for their propaganda purposes.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:01:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: ... (#119)

Actually, I think it's wrong for the government to appropriate a public trust for its own personal propaganda purposes.

Well once you get over the myth of "public trust" and realize their is only private property, and government property, it becomes clearer what to do about it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   1:05:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: SmokinOPs (#123)

Well once you get over the myth

And there is not a single shred of doubt anywhere that the FCC has the right to regulate the use of the spectrum. Licenses are part of this regulation and there is not a shred of doubt anywhere that conditions can be put on the licenses - conditions must be put on the licnses or there would be chaos.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:10:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: ... (#127)

And there is not a single shred of doubt anywhere that the FCC has the right to regulate the use of the spectrum.

So now the government has rights?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   1:25:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: SmokinOPs (#149)

And there is not a single shred of doubt anywhere that the FCC has the right to regulate the use of the spectrum.

So now the government has rights?

Do you deny that they have the right to put you in jail for a crime?

If so, why don't you go rob a bank. It beats working.

But your fantasy land is so silly and tiring. Lets get back to reality.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:29:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: ... (#151)

Do you deny that they have the right to put you in jail for a crime?

You're confusing power with rights.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   1:34:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: SmokinOPs (#154)

Do you deny that they have the right to put you in jail for a crime?

You're confusing power with rights.

No, you are playing word games here. But you know that.

If the government doesn't have the right to lock up criminals, then they are misusing their power and the government should be stopped from locking up criminals. Or they shold be granted the right to do it.

Agree?

By the way, you are going back to fantasy land here.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: ... (#158)

Only individuals have rights.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   1:40:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: SmokinOPs (#161)

You're confusing power with rights.

No, you are playing word games here. But you know that.

If the government doesn't have the right to lock up criminals, then they are misusing their power and the government should be stopped from locking up criminals. Or they shold be granted the right to do it.

Agree?

By the way, you are going back to fantasy land here.

Only individuals have rights.

Very silly word games.

Does the government have the right to lock up criminals or not?

Hint: Try to play games with the definition of "right". That will get you through one more post before you get hammered.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:44:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: ... (#163)

Does the government have the right to lock up criminals or not?

Even the statist Framers of the Constitution only stated governmet had powers. Never rights.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   1:47:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: SmokinOPs (#169)

I'm not sure why the "constitution" is constantly sited by "conservatives" and held up as some sort of sacred document when it has obviously failed to do what the framers of it claimed it would do- keep power decentalized and government weak. It is long past time for that failed document to be consulted on anything as it obviously isn't a guide or even restriction on what our sainted holy "supremem court" decides upon.

The FCC has the right . . . Huh? Why is there even an FCC at all?

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   1:56:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Burkeman1 (#182) (Edited)

Why is there even an FCC at all?

Because if there wasn't, everyone would broadcast on all bands all the time and nobody would be able to receive anything. Whoever built the most powerful transmitter would get through - sometimes.

Why are there stop lights?

Why are there laws against murder?

Why are airliners assigned cruise altitudes?

Why do people agree to consistently drive on certain sides of the road?

Why are there rules for how ships should pass each other when they meet on the open sea?

...  posted on  2007-04-13   1:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: ... (#186)

Because if there wasn't, everyone would broadcast on all bands all the time and nobody would be able to receive anything. Whoever built the most powerful transmitter would get through - sometimes.

No- no one would make money. Agreements would be made. Arrangements bartered and haggled over. Or do you really think wannabe radio station owners would sit around trying to outbroadcast each other on the same frequency? Do they have a magic bag of money to do this? Do they like pissing money away?

And FCC- Federal. What about states and local governments allocating such frequncies if you just can't stand people to do it themselves- negotiating with neighboring government entities to settle disputes? Why the feds? So they can control the scope of debate easier? Is that it?

Let me ask you something- do you really think - but for government plains would crash into each other, people wouldn't obey simple agreed upon traffic rules- and murder would be common place? Is that the silliness you are reduced too?

Have you ever been to a shanty town in a third world country? They have no government "services"- or even law. Is it chaos? Is it "anarchy"? No- intricate and PRIVATE means to settle disputes, collect garbage, regulate street traffic, buy and sell property to which they have no "government approved title" too and which is but impossible to get- all done with no government. All manner of transactions are conducted- quite without any sort of government whatsoever.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   2:12:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Burkeman1, ... (#196)

Or do you really think wannabe radio station owners would sit around trying to outbroadcast each other on the same frequency?

Of course they would. Why would they not?

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   2:27:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Destro (#209)

Because they are not the government and can't steal money from people to support stupid unproductive projects like broadcasting on the same frequency as a local competitor. I guess two morons could exist in the same market- But I imagine they would run out of money as no one could listen to their stations and no advertisers would buy time- and two guys who were not morons would buy them out and agree to broadcast on different frequencies. I imagine thousands upon thousands of such agreements, contracts, pacts, pools, would exist among users of the airwaves if the FCC didn't exist.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   2:32:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Burkeman1, ... (#211)

Because they are not the government and can't steal money from people to support stupid unproductive projects like broadcasting on the same frequency as a local competitor.

What are you talking about - businesses do that all the time and have- undercut a competitor to drive him out of the market. Stop with the corpro worship - the govt can kill you and so can a corporation - both can become irrational because they are run by flawed men. Sorry to get all Christian Democrat on you.

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   2:54:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Destro (#230)

I don't worship the corps. You obviously worship the state.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   3:03:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Burkeman1 (#239)

I don't worship the corps. You obviously worship the state.

If you would do some reading, and think about what you are saying before hitting the post button, you wouldn't need to start kicking and screaming and using your three tactics.

What you are doing above is making up your mind and then trying to fit the fact to your prejudice. And you get your ass kicked.

You then start your personal attacks and you get laughed at. LOL!!!

Now try taking the facts and forming an opinion from them. That is what adults do.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   3:09:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: ... (#245)

I'm confident I have held up quite well in this exchange. I don't have to resort to the nervous and awkard BAC "LOL" either.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   3:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: Burkeman1 (#249)

I don't have to resort to the nervous and awkard BAC "LOL" either.

That's right. You used the BAC reference when you got desperate and went to personal insult earlier today.

I used the LOL to illustrate your use of the three tactics was silly. But you know that.

...  posted on  2007-04-13   3:16:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 251.

#270. To: ... (#251)

Right. Look- I am more than confident that any reader of this thread will see who is the pettifogging nervous nilly dancing about trying to distract and obfuscate by playing dumb and going off an tangents and misrepresentation of his opponent's arugments.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13 04:09:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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