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Title: BLOOD IN THE WATER; Right-wing talk shows next...
Source: Neal Boortz
URL Source: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Published: Apr 12, 2007
Author: Neal Boortz
Post Date: 2007-04-12 13:59:49 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 2987
Comments: 338

Liberals see this whole Imus situation as a way to rid themselves of the problem of talk radio. Now that they've succeeded in getting MSNBC to pull Imus' program, they'll concentrate on CBS .. trying to get the radio show cancelled. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed.

Then they will turn their attention to the rest of us. The tape recorders will be running. There is not one single significant right-of-center radio talk show out there that is not going to come under fire. Liberals know -- they've proven it to themselves -- that they simply cannot succeed in talk radio. So, it's all very simple.

If they can't succeed, destroy the genre. Their original plan was to wait until Democrats control the congress and the White House and then murder talk radio with the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Now that they're on the verge of having a talk radio scalp on their belts as retribution for a bad and mean-spirited joke, they see that they may not have to wait for the electorate to give them the power.

In the meantime... while the race industry is calling for the head of Don Imus, we have Crystal Gail Mangum of North Carolina. Who is she? She is the woman who falsely accused three members of the Duke lacrosse team of rape. Her unsubstantiated charges resulted in a media firestorm against Duke University and these lacrosse players.

Would you like to spend a few moments comparing the effect of Mangum's charges on the Duke lacrosse team and Imus' words on the Rutgers woman's basketball team? Sure! Why not! Now, let's see ...... The remainder of the Duke lacrosse season was cancelled. They were nationally ranked, and had to forfeit the rest of their games. The coach, Mike Pressler, resigned. "Mug shots" of the lacrosse players were posted on campus. Mark Anthony Neal, an African Studies professor on the campus said that this was "a case of racialized sexual violence." A Durham, N.C. resident called it "racial terrorism." In the middle of all of this we had a district attorney, Michael Nifong, who was running for reelection in a majority-black jurisdiction. There were suggestions that he wanted to be the mayor one day.

Jesse Jackson had plenty to say about this case also. In his column on http://Blacknews.com Jackson said "Predictably, the right-wing media machine has kicked in, prompting mean-spirited attacks upon the accuser's character." Later he offered to pay Mangum's tuition for a college education if her story proved true. Later he amended his promise. In January he said that the Rainbow/Push Coalition would pay her college tuition even if it turns out she completely fabricated her story! Now isn't that special? Hey sisters! How would you like to get a college scholarship from Jesse Jackson? Apparently all you have to do is lodge a false rape accusation against an all-white college sports team!

Get out your checkbook, Jesse. Now we have learned that it was a hoax. No truth. The North Carolina Attorney General's office has declared the accused players to be innocent. A State Bar investigation of Nifong continues. And thus far Jesse Jackson has not come forward to offer any comfort to the lacrosse players falsely accused by Ms. Mangum.

Now ... why even bring all of this up? Well, we have two college teams in the mix. A Rutgers women's basketball team that is largely black, and a Duke men's lacrosse team that is almost (save for one player) exclusively white. A white man insulted the Rutgers team with a mean-spirited quip. No season cancelled. No coach fired. No arrests. Nobody on the basketball team had to spend tens of thousands of dollars on defense attorneys. They were insulted. The were the targets of a stupid racially charged remark ... but that's pretty much it. But how about Duke? The Duke team members were accused of a crime. Attorneys were hired. Coaches fired. Seasons cancelled. Reputations damaged. DNA swabs were taken. Charges were filed. The district attorney was out there saying that a rape most definitely had occurred. Now we find that they were completely innocent. In the meantime the white man who made the stupid remark about the Rutgers basketball team is being attacked and vilified as if he was a mass murderer. The black woman who made the false charges of rape against the lacrosse team is going to walk. In fact, you can fully expect the civil rights establishment --- the same civil rights establishment that is united in their efforts to destroy Don Imus -- circle the wagons around Crystal Gail Mangum and protect her at all costs.

Oprah is going to have the Rutgers woman's basketball team on her show. How many of you would like to make book on when Oprah invites the Duke lacrosse team to be on her show? When pigs fly.

Back to talk radio.

The mainstream media in this country doesn't merely dislike talk radio, they hate it. Hate it with a blinding passion. How dare these "disc jockeys" get on those radio stations and spout opinions on matters of governance and public policy? Don't they know that this is a job to be left to the professionals at the New York Times and the Washington Post plus the major broadcast TV networks? What's worse, how dare the great unwashed of the general population get on these radio shows, especially the syndicated ones, and spout their ill-advised and uneducated opinions?

Think about this. You have a liberal columnist like Maureen Dowd or the insipid Tom Teepen write a column spouting some leftist dogma. That column gets published in newspapers across the country. Then you have some mechanic from Memphis get on the air with Limbaugh or Hannity to offer a differing point of view. The column may be read by a million people -- at the most. The Memphis mechanic is heard by perhaps five times that many. It just ain't right!

For years now the left has employed various tactics to marginalize talk radio. The favorite tactic is the tired "hate radio" accusation. The general idea here is that anything said on a talk radio show that is at variance with liberal dogma is "hate speech." This tactic hasn't worked ... and talk radio continues to grow.

Well .. now there's a new game plan. Use the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of this world to attack these hosts on the basis of race. That's right .. this whole Imus affair isn't really about race! The TV networks and the liberal mainstream media haven't been hammering this Imus thing day after day after day because they really care about the racial aspects of the story. If they were that concerned about the racial angle they would be playing up the Duke case to a similar extent. Race is the means, not the reason. Right now the mainstream press sees race as the key to destroying talk radio. Focus on the hosts ... wait until they say something that can be racially exploited, and then launch the relentless attack. Go after networks, stations and advertisers. Concentrate on them -- one at a time -- like hyenas looking for a meal. Select prey that looks vulnerable. Isolate that prey and go in for the kill. I don't know how many hosts there are out there who have not made comments about black politicians, celebrities or culture that could be used as the basis for a full force attack. I know I have. Have I gone overboard? You bet! Hell .. 37 years in the business, how can you not have screwed up from time to time? I've apologized in the past -- and probably will one day say something else that merits an apology. Apologies aren't enough, however. The Christian concept of forgiveness and tolerance means nothing to the "reverends" Jackson and Sharpton. They're sharks .. and there's blood in the water.

By the way ... my guess? Now that MSNBC has dumped Imus, CBS is sure to follow. Look at it this way .... NBC has canned him. How in the hell can CBS stand up to the this racially charged onslaught? "Hey, CBS! NBC did the right thing? How about you?"

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#271. To: ... (#248)

Have they protected those small mom and pop radio stations?

They still exist, my family owns one.

Then what's your problem? They won't let you near a microphone to battle the gubmint propaganda?

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   4:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: Burkeman1 (#270)
(Edited)

Somalia (obviously before the US AC-130H Spectres). Now tell me Vermont couldn't do without an FCC.

From the BBC:

A host of mobile phone masts testifies to the telecommunications revolution which has taken place despite the absence of any functioning national government since 1991.

Three phone companies are engaged in fierce competition for both mobile and landline customers, while new internet cafes are being set up across the city and the entire country.

It takes just three days for a landline to be installed - compared with waiting-lists of many years in neighbouring Kenya, where there is a stable, democratic government.

And once installed, local calls are free for a monthly fee of just $10.

International calls cost 50 US cents a minute, while surfing the web is charged at 50 US cents an hour - "the cheapest rate in Africa" according to the manager of one internet cafe.

But how do you establish a phone company in a country where there is no government?

No monopoly

In some respects, it is actually easier.

There is no need to get a licence and there is no state-run monopoly which prevents new competitors being established.

Voices of Somali internet users

In pictures

And of course there is no-one to demand any taxes, which is one reason why prices are so low.

"The government post and telecoms company used to have a monopoly but after the regime was toppled, we were free to set up our own business," says Abdullahi Mohammed Hussein, products and services manager of Telcom Somalia, which was set up in 1994 when Mogadishu was still a war-zone.

"We saw a huge gap in the market, as all previous services had been destroyed. There was a massive demand."

The main airport and port were destroyed in the fighting but businessmen have built small airstrips and use natural harbours, so the phone companies are still able to import their equipment.

Despite the absence of law and order and a functional court system, bills are paid and contracts are enforced by relying on Somalia's traditional clan system, Mr Abdullahi says.

Mobile target

But in a country divided into hundreds of fiefdoms run by rival warlords, security is a major concern.

While Telcom Somalia has some 25,000 mobile customers - and a similar number have land lines - you very rarely see anyone walking along the streets of Mogadishu chatting on their phone, in case this attracts the attention of a hungry gunman.

We are very interested in paying taxes Abdullahi Mohammed Hussein Telcom Somalia

Life in Somalia: Have Your Say The phone companies themselves say they are not targeted by the militiamen, even if thieves occasionally steal some of their wires.

Mahdi Mohammed Elmi has been managing the Wireless African Broadband Telecoms internet cafe in the heart of Mogadishu, surrounded by the bustling and chaotic Bakara market, for almost two years.

"I have never had a problem with security," he says and points out that they have just a single security guard at the front door.

Mr Abdullahi says the warlords realise that if they cause trouble for the phone companies, the phones will stop working again, which nobody wants.

"We need good relations with all the faction leaders. We don't interfere with them and they don't interfere with us. They want political power and we leave them alone," he says.

Selling goats on the net

While the three phone companies - Telcom, Nationlink and Hormuud - are engaged in bitter competition for phone customers, they have co-operated to set up the Global Internet Company to provide the internet infrastructure.

Somali traders say if business is better without a government

Elsewhere, they can have a wireless connection at 11Mb/s.

He says his company is able to work anywhere in Somalia, whichever faction is in charge locally.

"Even small, remote villages are connected to the internet, as long as they have a phone line," he says.

The internet sector in Somalia has two main advantages over many of its Africa neighbours.

There is a huge diaspora around the world - between one and three million people, compared with an estimated seven million people in Somalia - who remain in contact with their friends and relatives back home.

E-mail in Somali

Somalis send e-mails in their own language E-mail is the cheapest way of staying in touch and many Somalis can read and write their own language, instead of relying on English or French, which restricts internet users to a smaller number of well educated people.

Just two days after it was opened, the Orbit internet cafe in south Mogadishu's km5 was already pretty busy, with people checking their e-mail accounts, a livestock exporter sending out his invoices and two nurses doing medical research.

Video calling

And Somalia's telecoms revolution is far from over.

"We are planning to introduce 3G technology, including live video calling and mobile internet, next year," says Mr Abdullahi.

But despite their success, the telecoms companies say that like the population at large, they are desperate to have a government.

Telecoms engineer

Mogadishu's phone engineers are going to be kept busy "We are very interested in paying taxes," says Mr Abdullahi - not a sentiment which often passes the lips of a high-flying businessman.

And Mr Abdulkadir at the Global Internet Company fully agrees.

"We badly need a government," he says. "Everything starts with security - the situation across the country.

"All the infrastructure of the country has collapsed - education, health and roads. We need to send our staff abroad for any training."

Another problem for companies engaged in the global telecoms business is paying their foreign partners.

At present, they use Somalia's traditional "Hawala" money transfer companies to get money to Dubai, the Middle East's trading and financial hub.

With a government would come a central bank, which would make such transactions far easier.

Taxes would mean higher prices but Mr Abdullahi says that Somalia's previous governments have kept taxes low and hopes this will continue under the regime due to start work in the coming months.

Somalia's telecoms companies are looking forward to an even brighter future with the support of a functioning government - as long as it does not impose punitive tax rates or state control in a sector which obviously needs very little help to thrive.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   4:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: SmokinOPs (#272)

Yep- I posted that story I think back when it was written. The only thing the "Islamic Courts" did was formally defeat the warlords in Mogadishu. That was when suddenly the "Chaos" became a "problem" that had to be "Solved" in Somalia. By the way- private somalians were issuing their own currencies as well. "Governtmentless" Somalia was never in "chaos". That is just statist drivel.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   4:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: SmokinOPs (#272)

By the way- do you think there will be statist apologists 30 years from now- with an internet heavily regulated by government up the ass- who will say that but for the Federal Internet Comission the net would be "chaos?"

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-13   5:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: noone222 (#263)

and then witnessing the prolonged commentary here regarding this non-event, I determined that whatever it is they're doing to our minds it seems to work.

You're missing the much larger issue in question. Whether Imus is or isn’t aired is not important. What is important is how a small group of racial hustlers can impose sanctions on our 1st amendment rights via corporate sponsors. The Imus matter is wonderful opportunity for Abe Foxman to drill his hate speech agenda into the legal system.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-04-13   6:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: IndieTX (#233)

Please. This is only the beginning of total censorship. A backdoor via radio to eventually come after the internet by setting precendents.

You're exactly right, IndieTX. Just as 911 was used to advance some precooked “terror” bills, this matter will advance Hate Speech legislation which will affect each and every one of us. This forum included. For a group who is otherwise politically astute, I can't understand how some are missing the obvious.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-04-13   6:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Jethro Tull (#275)

What is important is how a small group of racial hustlers can impose ....

No one with hearing could have missed the point being squawked about all day long yesterday by every talk radio hustler, and the brainwashing is obvious when you later see people using the exact same language like "racial hustler" to describe the two nappy headed preacher ho's. Reverse discrimination has been obvious for 20 years and nothing has been done about it by the politicians, just like the border issue that goes unattended, proving once again that your tax dollars are being used to destroy you.

What is important is how a small group of racial hustlers can impose .... whatever agenda they want because a few years ago they were backed by a huge mob of negroes burning shit and turning over buses. It's our turn to demand respect and impose our will.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

noone222  posted on  2007-04-13   7:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Brian S, leveler, aristeides, christine (#0)

The NC AG not only dismissed the charges, he declared the Duke Three innocent.

A few questions:

In the two months or so that the case was in AG's office, what "new" information did the NC AG have or discover that Nifong did not have or could not have discovered with relative ease?

When will Jesse and Al apologize to the Duke Lacross team?

And, repeasting one from the article above: when will Oprah have the Duke Lacross team on her show?

Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.

wbales  posted on  2007-04-13   7:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Jethro Tull (#276)

You're exactly right, IndieTX. Just as 911 was used to advance some precooked “terror” bills, this matter will advance Hate Speech legislation which will affect each and every one of us. This forum included. For a group who is otherwise politically astute, I can't understand how some are missing the obvious.

The government already operates outside of the rules it makes for itself, so I guess the question is: If they pass the law, will you follow it?

Right now, if they really wanted someone shut up, they could do it under "enemy combatant status" or some other such thing and no one would hear from you again. It's like worrying about them banning guns - it's probably inevitable they'll do it someday - we just need to create the mindset among the majority that they won't turn them in.

Personally, I worry more about political correctness that comes from people self-censoring - where the person's thoughts and words are automatically suppressed and they don't even notice it.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   8:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: SmokinOPs (#279)

The government already operates outside of the rules it makes for itself, so I guess the question is: If they pass the law, will you follow it?

Whether I do or don't is far less important as are the sanction they will apply to me if I stray from their rules. In the case of Imus, his speech was silenced when his sponsors folded under the pressure of the dual darks and their hollow army of black and white leftists. Either political extreme is capable of speech codes, but the left seems more organized and focused than their counterparts on the right.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-04-13   9:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: noone222 (#277)

It's our turn to demand respect and impose our will.

I agree and if we don't our fate is sealed. But given the cowardice of whites (gee, illegals can muster under the flag of their nation and demand respect, but not whites) I hold no hope.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-04-13   9:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: SmokinOPs (#271)

Then what's your problem? They won't let you near a microphone to battle the gubmint propaganda?

Out of arguments I see.

Back to the childish personal attacks. What is this one? Number five on this thread? I've lost count now.

You know, if you can't say anything worthwhile, it might be better to just shut off the 'puter. Keeps people from laughing at your simple dynamic. Push you into making a statement, show how your statement is stupid and ill and informed and then catch you pouting by making a personal attack, a strawman attack or trying to change the subject. Don't pout and don't sulk in your posts like you just did here. It only makes you look like an idiot.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: ... (#282)

Out of arguments I see.

Not really, I already won the main one which was there was no need for a government mandated Fairness Doctrine because there were a multitude of reasonable ways for people to get their message out (including owning radio stations)... you just want to keep going.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: bluedogtxn (#13)

I've got satellite, and I listen to Talk Left all the time (as you can imagine), and half of them just plain suck shit. Like Alex Bennett and Lynn Samuels.

Yeah, those two do suck, and Ed Schultz sucks about half the time. The Young Turks were awesome, but they moved to XM. Then there's Stephanie Miller--witty, intelligent, and soooo dreamy.

The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-04-13   10:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: SmokinOPs (#283)

Not really, I already won the main one which was there was no need for a government mandated Fairness Doctrine because there were a multitude of reasonable ways for people to get their message out (including owning radio stations)... you just want to keep going.

Calling people names and stawman attacks don't win anything. Neither does making up silly facts about cell phones and satellite TV. That's why you can' post a link to where you did anything else.

Recall that you already tried this tactic above when you simply stood up and said you didn't use personal attacks, strawman attacks or subject changes. I had to go find the links where you did and then you tried to change the subject.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: wbales (#278)

When will Jesse and Al apologize to the Duke Lacross team?

And, repeasting one from the article above: when will Oprah have the Duke Lacross team on her show?

it will be a cold day in hell. those two things would be the beginning of some real repair, but we know that would go against the agenda.

christine  posted on  2007-04-13   10:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: All (#285)

including owning radio stations

By the way, your failed argument that people can get access to radio by simply buying their own radio station is asinine. As is your denial of the effect of the Suupreme Court cases.

And yes I know, the Surpeme Court doesn't exist in your childish fantasy land. Some higher authority rules there. But we arn't operating there. We are operating here in the real world now.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: SmokinOPs (#283)

By the way, I loved your assertion on the thread above that the Government doesn't have the right to put crooks in jail. Are you going to start robbing banks for a living? Sounds like a nice easy profession.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: ... (#287)

By the way, your failed argument that people can get access to radio by simply buying their own radio station is asinine.

Only to tightwads and people with low credit scores.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: ... (#288)

Are you going to start robbing banks for a living? Sounds like a nice easy profession.

It's hilarious how you keep screaming "childish attack" and "strawman" even though you are both committing them and I have documented that you stated what you say you didn't. Accuse the other guy of doing what you plan to do seems to be your M.O.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: ... (#288)

By the way, I loved your assertion on the thread above that the Government doesn't have the right to put crooks in jail.

One that you haven't rebutted at all. You just keep repeating the assertion as if that's an argument. You're starting to bore me.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: SmokinOPs (#289)

Only to tightwads and people with low credit scores.

Are there six million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

If you want to handle the public trust question this way you better have an insult or a stawman ready for your comeback.

And what if someone who owns part of the public trust doesn't want their interest sold off? How are you going to get the Supreme Court to change the status? And remember, the Supreme Court exists here in the real world. Laws exist here in the real world. We are not working in your fantasy land here.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: SmokinOPs (#291) (Edited)

One that you haven't rebutted at all.

Wny don't you go rob a bank today and then tell the cops you did it. Come back and tell us what happened. If you can.

When the cops slam the jail door tell them that the Constitution does not give them police powers. Tell them that you changed that last night on an internet thread.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: ... (#292)

Are there six million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

What significance is the number six million other than Ernst Zundel, Abe Foxman and David Irving? Oh, none you say, you just pulled it out of your ass.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: ... (#293)

Wny don't you go rob a bank today and then tell the cops you did it. Come back and tell us what happened.

What does that have to between my (and the Framers of the Constitution)understanding of the difference between a power and a right?

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: SmokinOPs (#294)

What significance is the number six million other than Ernst Zundel, Abe Foxman and David Irving? Oh, none you say, you just pulled it out of your ass.

This is a reall clumsy strawman and subject change. Even morons like you can do better than that.

Let's say ten or twelve million if that makes you feel better.

Are there twelve million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: ... (#293)

When the cops slam the jail door tell them that the Constitution does not give them police powers.

Now you edit it to "power". You just stated "right" a few seconds ago. You can't even keep your thoughts straight enough to get it together in a single post.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: Indrid Cold (#284)

I like Stephanie Miller; I like Ed Schultz and Bill Press and one other dude who gets about an hour somewhere in the middle. Oh, and I liked Randi Rhodes back when I could get her. But Bennett and Samuels? They just suck (so of course they get 3 fucking hours apeice).

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-13   10:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: SmokinOPs (#295)

What does that have to between my (and the Framers of the Constitution)understanding of the difference between a power and a right?

Cut the cheap word games and tell us why the state can't lock up crooks.

It's my position that the state was granted the right to do this.

You answer that in fantasy land the word isn't defined that way is stoopid.

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: ... (#296)

This is a reall clumsy strawman and subject change.

You need to learn the terms before you use them.

Are there twelve million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

What significance is the number 12 million?

Even morons like you can do better than that.

Like I said, your M.O. is to accuse others of what you plan to do.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: ... (#299)

It's my position that the state was granted the right to do this.

You just said "power" a minute ago, and now you are back to "rights". Buy a dictionary.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: SmokinOPs (#300)

Are there twelve million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

What significance is the number 12 million?

What you are doing here is called begging the question.

You know you can't answer it withoug looking like an idiot so you try to extend the discussion by answering the question with another pointless question. You are not the only one to do this - 9 year olds do it all the time.

You will try to string things along and hope you can either start a fight or change the subject.

Why don't you just answer the question instead?

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: ... (#302)

What you are doing here is called begging the question.

Another term you don't know the meaning of.

You know you can't answer it withoug looking like an idiot so you try to extend the discussion by answering the question with another pointless question.

No, I really want to know what the significance of the numbers you are spouting is.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   10:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: SmokinOPs (#303)

What you are doing here is called begging the question.

Another term you don't know the meaning of.

I disagree, but you can call your tactic for avoiding the question anything you like. What is this tactic called in fantasy land?

Here the question again, now you ask a pointless question in response to avoid it. And you can call the tactic by the same name the people in fantasy land employ. The result is the same.

Are there twelve million cheap radio stations out there for people to buy?

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...  posted on  2007-04-13   10:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: Mekons4 (#32)

You approve of GOP ownership of the AM radio band, evidently. Just TRY finding a fair, balanced talk show on AM radio. You can't.

You're confusing consumer popularity with airwave monopoly. There are plenty of other AM channels that don't play talk radio. People don't listen to liberal talk radio because it sucks, there's only so much crap anyone, even a liberal, can put up with when it comes to carping about insufficient funding for [insert self destructive behavior of the day whose victims need my money here]. And when it comes down to it, outside of the discussion of foreign policy, 95% of liberal talk is that, and conservative talk is bitching about government and everybody likes to bitch about the government.

If you're an investor, it's easy to see where to put your money on that bet. If this so called fairness doctrine came back in effect, I can guarantee that the end result would merely be a quicker migration to satellite and digital internet formats. Fairly soon after that, there would be liberals bemoaning the monopolization of those formats and clamoring for some type of regulation of them.

If you could put together a host team of people who didn't sound like an NPR condescention crew and weren't idiots like Al Franken et. al., you might have a shot at market viability if you could figure out how to propagate liberal ideas that weren't dependant upon constantly expanding monetary policy...

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Axenolith  posted on  2007-04-13   11:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: ... (#304)

I disagree...

Well you can disagree all you want. It won't make you right. "Begging the question" is term with a specific meaning and it has nothing to do with asking a question.

What is this tactic called in fantasy land?

I don't know what fantasy land you refer to, but in the English language we call it asking a question.

Here the question again, now you ask a pointless question in response to avoid it.

I'm not avoiding it. I want to know the relevance of the numbers you picked. Why not a billion radio stations, or a trillion? Do you think in a debate you should just be able to pull numbers out of your ass and then force people to argue from an irrelevant premise? Not with me you don't.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-04-13   11:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Burkeman1, ..., SmokinOPs (#257) (Edited)

Sure they have. The ancient world was by and large one giant free market and "government" was little more than a group of armed men that had to be paid off- an expense of business.

I had anarcho-capitalists/libertarians mention this to me in the past.

To me that sounded like Khmer Rouge thinking of returning the world to Year Zero.

The above was all well and good for a barter economy but we are not there anymore.

History teaches me via my empiricist observations that this very anarchy of the ancient world in fact FORCED the creation of the state because Heboodia did not trust the scales of Zebodia in Mesopotamia nor did they trust the gold purity of each other's nuggets. This necessitated the STATE coining money, affixing its seal on the gold coins in Lydia and regulating weights and measures.

So empiricist observations of history belies the Utopian notions of anarcho-capitalists/libertarians as much as it does the BS that comes from Utopian Anarchists/Marxists.

PS: I am enjoying this conversation. I hope you are also.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   12:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: Burkeman1, ..., SmokinOPs (#262)

Under current circumstances - in which the reality is we have a heavily regulated media in this country- subject to the stick and carrot of government control- it might be better to prevent the consolidation of the media into only a few hands using the force (law) of the same government. But absent such overweening government interference in the first place- such preventitive measures against media consolidation wouldn't be necessary.

In other words, on this issue we are in agreement.

Such discussions from like minded individuals reminds me of the Orthodox and Catholic disputes from a thousand years ago where they argued that in understanding the Holy Trinity if the Holy Spirit could come from the Father and/or the Son (Correct answer from the Father only-Heh).

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   12:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: noone222, Diana (#263)

Mainstream Talk Radio, a term the "fair and balanced" crowd deny, is a nuclear turd delivered daily like a dose of prozac served up to anyone with too much time on their hands. And to think some people are so friggin stupid or comatose they actually think there are two sides, good guys and bad guys ... or maybe it's more akin to a baby-bottle shoved into the collective baby's mouth to shut it up.

That is why I have attempted to discuss media consolidation as the problem and media dis-consolidation (break up) as the best solution/hope to diversity in media message.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   12:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Burkeman1, ..., SmokinOPs (#267)

Despite the idiocy of a program like "Deadwood" which shows a state of chaos existing between groups of murderers and thieves- the American West wasn't ever very "wild."

Not from my readings. Then again maybe you like the notion of fake judges like Roy Bean handing out these kind of sound judgments: "One story has him finding a dead Chinese man with a gun and $40 in his pocket; since he purportedly knew of no law against killing a "Chinaman", he proceeded to fine the dead man $40 for carrying a concealed weapon. He also knew next to nothing about the law; he reputedly thought habeas corpus was a profanity"

I guess the retort is - govt imposed judges are no better and on the argument goes.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   12:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: noone222, Burkeman1 (#269)

Like it or not the truth is that the darker this country gets ethnically the more the nanny state will intrude into our lives.

More Whites (gross figure not per capita) live under some welfare state provision than the 'Darkies'.

In fact if you factor in farm subsidies and corporate welfare (which the Darkies on welfare crowd leaves out) then Whites are the real welfare queens.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-13   12:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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