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Title: White House lost FIVE MILLION e-mails, CREW reveals
Source: AMERICAblog
URL Source: http://americablog.blogspot.com/200 ... lost-five-million-e-mails.html
Published: Apr 12, 2007
Author: John Aravosis
Post Date: 2007-04-12 15:47:58 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 192
Comments: 14

White House lost FIVE MILLION e-mails, CREW reveals

by John Aravosis (DC) · 4/12/2007 02:46:00 PM ET

FIVE MILLION e-mails were lost by the White House according to a just released report from CREW called "WITHOUT A TRACE: The Missing White House Emails and the Violations of the Presidential Records Act." FIVE MILLION...that's insane.

As I explained in the post below, Bush staffers have been already been using separate RNC e-mail accounts to conduct official business in order to avoid the law and hide evidence. How? Because White House officials are supposed to use White House email accounts and White House Blackberrys to conduct official business (this is required under federal law and under the White House's own explicit rules). That's because under federal law every single electronic communication of a White House official must be recorded and kept in the federal archives. That makes such communications subpoenable if and when those employees break the law. By using the RNC email system and the RNC Blackberrys the White House thought they were hiding their potential crimes, and in so doing were violating federal law. We learned only yesterday that the White House admitted that their employees destroyed countless emails. Now we know that by countless they meant 5 fricking million.

While nothing should shock us about the Bush administration anymore, this is shocking.

No wonder the Bush people can't run the country and can't come up with a plan for the war. They can't even figure out their own e-mail system (of course, they knew darn well what they were doing, they were destroying the evidence). They even knew it was a problem, but didn't bother to fix it. You know that a lot of those missing e-mails are things they don't want us to ever see. What a coincidence that they started losing those e-mails in March of 2003, right when the Iraq war was starting.

FIVE MILLION. He is truly the worst, and now most corrupt, president ever. He's even worse than any of us could have dreamed up.

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I deleted Aravosis's link to the CREW report, as it doesn't work at the moment, I suspect because too many people are trying to access it.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   15:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Friends, the liberal media's liberally liberal bias has never been more evident than their blackout of Stephen Colbert's loving tribute to his president. Includes split-screen coverage of Colbert's audition tape and Bush's reaction.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-12   15:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are probably ten or twenty that would send Bush, Cheney and Rove to Leavenworth. It was probably too dangerous to just delete those. That would be akin to publishing the location of the needle in the haystack. So the GOP just lost all the emails. Keeps everyone from focusing on the ten or twenty that they really need to hide.

It doesn't seem to matter which rock you turn over with the GOP. There seems to be a surprisingly large pool of slime under each of them.

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...  posted on  2007-04-12   15:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I deleted Aravosis's link to the CREW report, as it doesn't work at the moment, I suspect because too many people are trying to access it.

Same with links from Atrios and TPM Muckraker. I think this is exploding on the net.

Right wing blogs awaiting marching orders from Cheney.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   15:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wow, FIVE MILLION e-mails, yet they still found the time to totally fuck up the country. Man, talk about multi-tasking.

Esso  posted on  2007-04-12   16:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Say the administration is 2,000 days old. That's at least the right order of magnitude. 5 million e-mails would be 2,500 a day.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   16:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It appears that the Presidential Records Act contains no penalties for violating it.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-04-12   16:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are well-established penalties for obstruction of justice.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   16:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It just never stops. According to CREW, there are millions of missing emails from the White House -- these from the White House servers.

Paul Kiel on Talking Points Memo says CREW's figure is for e-mails missing from the White House servers. Does this mean the five million figure does not include e-mails missing from the RNC servers?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   16:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Does this mean the five million figure does not include e-mails missing from the RNC servers?

Yes.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

God, I wonder what the true figure is.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   16:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, NPR managed to get off Imus for a minute to report this. MSNBC is still in All-Imus mode, but I imagine that will change soon. Olbermann, at least, will be all over this.

You don't just lose emails. Period.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-04-12   16:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Through two confidential sources, CREW learned that the Executive Office of the President (EOP) has lost over FIVE MILLION emails generated between March 2003 and October 2005. The White House counsel’s office was advised of these problems in 2005 and CREW has been told that the White House was given a plan of action to recover these emails, but to date nothing has been done to rectify this significant loss of records.

This Daily Kos thread has some quotes from the CREW piece that I have still not been able to access.

The 5 million figure is for e-mails missing from a 2 1/2-year period. That's like 900 days. So 5 million would be about 5,500 a day.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-12   16:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That sounds like ALL the emails for a staff of about 1000. I don't know how many are on the staff, but it sounds like the Bush team is trying to say that ALL the infomation is lost - but maybe in a round about way. Don't want to throw more gas on the fire I guess.

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