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Title: Researchers explore scrapping Internet
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.thestate.com/367/story/35070.html
Published: Apr 14, 2007
Author: Anick Jesdandun
Post Date: 2007-04-14 01:01:43 by scrapper2
Keywords: Internet, last bastion of free speech, shut down
Views: 115
Comments: 6

NEW YORK --Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over.

The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."

No longer constrained by slow connections and computer processors and high costs for storage, researchers say the time has come to rethink the Internet's underlying architecture, a move that could mean replacing networking equipment and rewriting software on computers to better channel future traffic over the existing pipes.

Even Vinton Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers as co-developer of the key communications techniques, said the exercise was "generally healthy" because the current technology "does not satisfy all needs."

One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.

There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."

The National Science Foundation wants to build an experimental research network known as the Global Environment for Network Innovations, or GENI, and is funding several projects at universities and elsewhere through Future Internet Network Design, or FIND.

Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are among the universities pursuing individual projects. Other government agencies, including the Defense Department, have also been exploring the concept.

The European Union has also backed research on such initiatives, through a program known as Future Internet Research and Experimentation, or FIRE. Government officials and researchers met last month in Zurich to discuss early findings and goals.

A new network could run parallel with the current Internet and eventually replace it, or perhaps aspects of the research could go into a major overhaul of the existing architecture.

These clean-slate efforts are still in their early stages, though, and aren't expected to bear fruit for another 10 or 15 years - assuming Congress comes through with funding.

Guru Parulkar, who will become executive director of Stanford's initiative after heading NSF's clean-slate programs, estimated that GENI alone could cost $350 million, while government, university and industry spending on the individual projects could collectively reach $300 million. Spending so far has been in the tens of millions of dollars.

And it could take billions of dollars to replace all the software and hardware deep in the legacy systems.

Clean-slate advocates say the cozy world of researchers in the 1970s and 1980s doesn't necessarily mesh with the realities and needs of the commercial Internet.

"The network is now mission critical for too many people, when in the (early days) it was just experimental," Zittrain said.

The Internet's early architects built the system on the principle of trust. Researchers largely knew one another, so they kept the shared network open and flexible - qualities that proved key to its rapid growth.

But spammers and hackers arrived as the network expanded and could roam freely because the Internet doesn't have built-in mechanisms for knowing with certainty who sent what.

The network's designers also assumed that computers are in fixed locations and always connected. That's no longer the case with the proliferation of laptops, personal digital assistants and other mobile devices, all hopping from one wireless access point to another, losing their signals here and there.

Engineers tacked on improvements to support mobility and improved security, but researchers say all that adds complexity, reduces performance and, in the case of security, amounts at most to bandages in a high-stakes game of cat and mouse.

Workarounds for mobile devices "can work quite well if a small fraction of the traffic is of that type," but could overwhelm computer processors and create security holes when 90 percent or more of the traffic is mobile, said Nick McKeown, co-director of Stanford's clean-slate program.

The Internet will continue to face new challenges as applications require guaranteed transmissions - not the "best effort" approach that works better for e-mail and other tasks with less time sensitivity.

Think of a doctor using teleconferencing to perform a surgery remotely, or a customer of an Internet-based phone service needing to make an emergency call. In such cases, even small delays in relaying data can be deadly.

And one day, sensors of all sorts will likely be Internet capable.

Rather than create workarounds each time, clean-slate researchers want to redesign the system to easily accommodate any future technologies, said Larry Peterson, chairman of computer science at Princeton and head of the planning group for the NSF's GENI.

Even if the original designers had the benefit of hindsight, they might not have been able to incorporate these features from the get-go. Computers, for instance, were much slower then, possibly too weak for the computations needed for robust authentication.

"We made decisions based on a very different technical landscape," said Bruce Davie, a fellow with network-equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc., which stands to gain from selling new products and incorporating research findings into its existing line.

"Now, we have the ability to do all sorts of things at very high speeds," he said. "Why don't we start thinking about how we take advantage of those things and not be constrained by the current legacy we have?"

Of course, a key question is how to make any transition - and researchers are largely punting for now.

"Let's try to define where we think we should end up, what we think the Internet should look like in 15 years' time, and only then would we decide the path," McKeown said. "We acknowledge it's going to be really hard but I think it will be a mistake to be deterred by that."

Kleinrock, the Internet pioneer at UCLA, questioned the need for a transition at all, but said such efforts are useful for their out-of-the-box thinking.

"A thing called GENI will almost surely not become the Internet, but pieces of it might fold into the Internet as it advances," he said.

Think evolution, not revolution.

Princeton already runs a smaller experimental network called PlanetLab, while Carnegie Mellon has a clean-slate project called 100 x 100.

These days, Carnegie Mellon professor Hui Zhang said he no longer feels like "the outcast of the community" as a champion of clean-slate designs.

Construction on GENI could start by 2010 and take about five years to complete. Once operational, it should have a decade-long lifespan.

FIND, meanwhile, funded about two dozen projects last year and is evaluating a second round of grants for research that could ultimately be tested on GENI.

These go beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of which focus on next-generation needs for speed.

Any redesign may incorporate mechanisms, known as virtualization, for multiple networks to operate over the same pipes, making further transitions much easier. Also possible are new structures for data packets and a replacement of Cerf's TCP/IP communications protocols.

"Almost every assumption going into the current design of the Internet is open to reconsideration and challenge," said Parulkar, the NSF official heading to Stanford. "Researchers may come up with wild ideas and very innovative ideas that may not have a lot to do with the current Internet."


Poster Comment:

Hello, Al Gork, Father of the Internet, save the last bastion of free speech, please! [ I'm not kidding - everyone's help is welcome]

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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)

But they don't think the same of our already existing highways, railroads, waterways, and utility easements.

What they really want is tear it down, rebuild it newly configured, so it is all for fee, with the mega corps running the show, and regulations that keep sites like this one from existing for free speech communities.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-14   1:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Paul Revere, robin, christine, Burkeman1, Brian S, leveller, bluedogtxn, aristeides, Diana (#1) (Edited)

What they really want is tear it down, rebuild it newly configured, so it is all for fee, with the mega corps running the show, and regulations that keep sites like this one from existing for free speech communities.

Exactly.

We'll be seeing familiar neoziofascist names associated with the new and improved and secure and anti-hate Internet - police-statist-pigs at the trough - same old same old. The last free anything poised to go-going-gone.

Here's another article on the subject:

http://people.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp? id=127666

"Next-generation Internet effort likely to draw commercial, policy interests"

Some cut and paste...

"Commercial and policy interests will likely play a bigger role this time as researchers explore "clean slate" designs that scrap the Internet's underlying architecture to better address security, mobility and other emerging needs."

Carnegie Mellon professor Hui Zhang said some of the work there surrounds building incentives for network operators to update systems and pass along data efficiently. Researchers are realizing they can't simply rely on network operators' altruism, a tenet in the original design.

Participants in a new network also could include law-enforcement officials, who are already demanding that Internet service providers retrofit the existing network to ease wiretapping of Internet-based phone calls. Governments around the world, including the United States, also could seek ways to block porn and politically sensitive Web sites _ and better identify those who distribute the forbidden.

"The more mature these ideas become, the closer they get to reality, I'm sure many stakeholders like that will come to the table," said Larry Peterson, a Princeton professor who heads a planning group for an experimental network called GENI.

Building surveillance capabilities from the start could certainly cut costs, said Les Szwajkowski, a former FBI official who had worked on applying wiretap laws to new technologies. But he said engineers and other Americans shouldn't worry.

"In theory this would be an excellent idea, but I think there are political issues to overcome," Szwajkowski said. "There would be a reluctance to say you have an investigative agency at the table involved in a deep reworking of the Internet."

He said many in law enforcement share his view that any involvement should be limited to advising engineers rather than meddling in the details.

Former Justice Department official Mark Rasch also believed the system could be better designed for law enforcement. But to do so, he said, "would be like redesigning a federal highway system with the goal ... of catching people fleeing a bank robbery. You would design it to be one lane, so you wouldn't be able to get away quickly."

Guru Parulkar, incoming executive director of Stanford's initiative following a tenure as the NSF's clean-slate manager, said researchers recognize they must build any system with "the right balance of privacy and accountability," leaving it flexible enough to adapt to wherever policy makers decide to draw the line.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-04-14   1:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#0) (Edited)

The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

Absurd will be the geeks (us) rioting in the streets (hacking the Pentagon) because our best friend (PC) has been denied existence ... then, because of no reason to live, nothing left to lose the revolution will occur.

Many believe = 2 DARPA Agents

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

noone222  posted on  2007-04-14   2:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: scrapper2 (#2)

What they really want is tear it down, rebuild it newly configured, so it is all for fee, with the mega corps running the show, and regulations that keep sites like this one from existing for free speech communities.

Sorry suckers, the 'cat is already outta the bag'...

Hell, we will all go back to bbs dial-up to battle you bastards should you choose.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-04-14   2:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#0)

The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."

Miracle? Only if one is unfamiliar with spontaneous order.

leveller  posted on  2007-04-14   8:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#2)

It doesn't matter what the technology is, the biggest and meanest will always try to squeeze out the little players, and control the emerging technology.

The internet is much more than that at stake. The internet is the reason they haven't been able to bury 9-11 for good.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-14   8:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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