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Title: Why the towers fell: Two theories [by a civil engineer]
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URL Source: http://www.vermontguardian.com/commentary/032007/TwinTowers.shtml
Published: Mar 1, 2007
Author: William Rice
Post Date: 2007-04-17 16:30:39 by honway
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Why the towers fell: Two theories

By William Rice

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses,

Posted March 1, 2007

Having worked on structural steel buildings as a civil engineer in the era when the Twin Towers were designed and constructed, I found some disturbing discrepancies and omissions concerning their collapse on 9/11.

I was particularly interested in the two PBS documentaries that explained the prevailing theories as determined by two government agencies, FEMA and NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology). The first (2002) PBS documentary, Why the Towers Fell, discussed how the floor truss connectors failed and caused a “progressive pancake collapse.”

The subsequent 2006 repackaged documentary Building on Ground Zero explained that the connectors held, but that the columns failed, which is also unlikely. Without mentioning the word “concrete,” the latter documentary compared the three-second collapse of the concrete Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building with that of the Twin Towers that were of structural steel. The collapse of a concrete-framed building cannot be compared with that of a structural steel-framed building.

Since neither documentary addressed many of the pertinent facts, I took the time to review available material, combine it with scientific and historic facts, and submit the following two theories for consideration.

The prevailing theory

The prevailing theory for the collapse of the 110-story, award-winning Twin Towers is that when jetliners flew into the 95th and 80th floors of the North and South Towers respectively, they severed several of each building’s columns and weakened other columns with the burning of jet fuel/kerosene (and office combustibles).

However, unlike concrete buildings, structural steel buildings redistribute the stress when several columns are removed and the undamaged structural framework acts as a truss network to bridge over the missing columns.

After the 1993 car bomb explosion destroyed columns in the North Tower, John Skilling, the head structural engineer for the Twin Towers, was asked about an airplane strike. He explained that the Twin Towers were originally designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 (similar in size to the Boeing 767). He went on to say that there would be a horrendous fire from the jet fuel, but “the building structure would still be there.”

The 10,000 gallons of jet fuel (half capacity) in each jetliner did cause horrendous fires over several floors, but it would not cause the steel members to melt or even lose sufficient strength to cause a collapse. This is because the short-duration jet fuel fires and office combustible fires cannot create (or transmit to the steel) temperatures hot enough. If a structural steel building could collapse because of fire, it would do so slowly as the various steel members gradually relinquished their structural strength. However, in the 100-year history of structural-steel framed buildings, there is no evidence of any structural steel framed building having collapsed because of fire.

Let’s assume the unlikelihood that these fires could weaken all of the columns to the same degree of heat intensity and thus remove their structural strength equally over the entire floor, or floors, in order to cause the top 30-floor building segment (South Tower WTC #2) to drop vertically and evenly onto the supporting 79th floor. The 30 floors from above would then combine with the 79th floor and fall onto the next level down (78th floor) crushing its columns evenly and so on down into the seven levels below the street level.

The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases.

Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist.

The politically unthinkable theory

Controlled demolition is so politically unthinkable that the media not only demeans the messenger but also ridicules and “debunks” the message rather than provide investigative reporting. Curiously, it took 441 days for the president’s 9/11 Commission to start an “investigation” into a tragedy where more than 2,500 WTC lives were taken. The Commission’s investigation also didn’t include the possibility of controlled-demolition, nor did it include an investigation into the “unusual and unprecedented” manner in which WTC Building #7 collapsed.

The media has basically kept the collapse of WTC Building #7 hidden from public view. However, instead of the Twin Towers, let’s consider this building now. Building #7 was a 47-story structural steel World Trade Center Building that also collapsed onto itself at free-fall speed on 9/11. This structural steel building was not hit by a jetliner, and collapsed seven hours after the Twin Towers collapsed and five hours after the firemen had been ordered to vacate the building and a collapse safety zone had been cordoned off. Both of the landmark buildings on either side received relatively little structural damage and both continue in use today.

Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more.

The collapse of WTC building #7, which housed the offices of the CIA, the Secret Service, and the Department of Defense, among others, was omitted from the government’s 9/11 Commission Report, and its collapse has yet to be investigated. Perhaps it is time for these and other unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 to be thoroughly investigated. Let’s start by contacting our congressional delegation.

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses. Subscribe to *9-11*

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#40. To: all (#0) (Edited)

I have concluded that the only purpose BAC has here is to derail all 9-11 discussions with spam filled posts and outrageous claims. He's the Donald Segretti showing up to sabotage an open forum and make it his agenda.

I put him on Bozo, but his impact on these threads is still seen, as he sucks out the oxygen from the conversation.

I tend to skip any thread in which he participates actively, and I suspect that is one of his objectives, since disruption is his primary goal.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-21   5:18:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Paul Revere (#40)

Yes, diversion/disruption appears to be his main objective. One way to counter it is to know when to quit replying to his replies. When you have made a point that effectively answers all his previous objections, that is the time to quit. The entire thread is there for people to absorb, if they take the time, and if the "knock-out" reply is enough, the thoughtful people will see it. Even if the readers don't "get it" in real-time, they can go back through the archives and see for themselves who was right and who was wrong. Sure, he will crow a NON SEQUITUR that he "won" if he gets in the last word. In the case of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, everyone knows now that he was wrong about everything. You have to be patient, but the truth will out.

roughrider  posted on  2007-04-21   6:23:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: roughrider, Paul Revere, nolu_chan, ALL (#41)

Yes, diversion/disruption appears to be his main objective.

Exactly where have I diverted the discussion, roughrider? The subject of this thread is why the towers fell. ALL my posts have concerned that subject in one way or another. You just don't like the fact that I showed that you and the others here really don't understand the issues, science, engineering, facts or even logic.

One way to counter it is to know when to quit replying to his replies.

Then you should have quit back on post #1 when I took the subject article of this thread apart and brought into real doubt the qualifications of its supposed author. Tell you what, roughrider, since you insist we stay on topic. Why don't you respond to my criticisms of the article in post #1. You can start by providing proof that Rice is who he says he is. Show us his resume. Tell us where he got his degree. Who did he work for while working in the field? Show me anything from Vermont Technical College that actually proves he worked or works there.

When you have made a point that effectively answers all his previous objections, that is the time to quit.

I'm curious, roughrider. Since you are such a master of logic, can you explain how Skillings could have done a definitive analysis of the towers resistance to plane impact that he published in February 1964 if the design wasn't done by then? For that matter, does the claim that the concept of the design was first explained to Skilling in April 1964 make any sense if he published a White Paper analysis of the towers resistance to aircraft impact in February 1964? Or is it time for you to quit? ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-21   17:24:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: BeAChooser, roughrider, Paul Revere, ALL (#46)

[BAC #46 to roughrider] Exactly where have I diverted the discussion, roughrider?

BAC constantly invents "facts" or distorts facts and attributes statements or arguments to the other party which were not made, and he can proceed to argue against a flawed argument of his own manufacture, making believe he is arguing against something said by the other party.

Let me explain how bareback rider changes and diverts the conversation with a big lie. This is just typical BAC.

[BAC at #45 to nolu_chan] "The link YOU PROVIDED tells us that the concept for the towers was just explained to Skilling in April of 2004. (sic -1964) Yet he published his White Paper (where you claim he did a design analysis of the towers) in February 3, 1964.

[BAC at #46 to roughrider] "For that matter, does the claim that the concept of the design was first explained to Skilling in April 1964 make any sense if he published a White Paper analysis of the towers resistance to aircraft impact in February 1964?"

Here we have another BAC BIG LIE.

NO SOURCE ever asserted that "the concept of the design was first explained to Skilling in April 1964."

In my #26, I quoted an article demonstrating that Skilling presented his design in 1963:

"In 1963, the firm entered a competition held by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to build in New York City what would be the tallest buildings ever constructed-the two towers of the World Trade Center. It was one of eight engineering firms-most of them large partnerships in New York-asked to submit proposals. Although the firm's tallest building up to that point was the twenty-story I. B.M. Building in Seattle, the architect of that building was Minoru Yamasaki-the same architect the Port Authority had selected for the World Trade Center. At a meeting to present the firm's proposal to the architect and developers, John Skilling, one of the four partners, used only a drawing pad, an easel, and some markers to make his pitch.

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What Skilling proposed was a pure tube structure. His design was consistent with the general principles at work in the new generation of high-rises, but he carried the concept of the tube building farther than it had ever been taken before."

At #34, BAC quoted Wikipedia stating Yamasaki presented his design to the public in January 1964:
"Yamasaki's design for the World Trade Center was unveiled to the public on January 18, 1964, with an eight-foot model."
In my #36, I quoted an April 2, 1964 article which documented an explanation of the concept BY John Skilling:
"The concept was explained to the New York Architectural League by John Skilling, a partner in Worthington, Skilling, Helle and Jackson, of Seattle, consulting structural engineers on the World Trade Center."
The concept was not explained TO JOHN SKILLING in April 1964. Speaking to the New York Architectural League in April 1964, the concept was explained BY JOHN SKILLING.

This is just the way BAC operates. The concept was explained to the public in January 1964 and according to BAC it was first explained to the chief structural engineer in April 1964 - only in BAC world.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-04-22   4:11:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: nolu_chan, ALL (#50)

Let me explain how bareback rider changes

It's sad that you resort to this sort slimy language and innuendo. It is an indication that you know your arguments and assertions are without any real merit.

Robertson was, according to numerous credible sources, the lead structural engineer. Not Skilling. Skilling just owned the company. He was not the project manager ... the person most intimately familiar with the design and most influential in determining the loads to which it was designed. Robertson was. Robertson was at the location where the design team worked ... NYC. Not Skillings. Robertson says the towers were DESIGNED for a low speed plane impact. Skillings did an ANALYSIS (even he called it that in his 3 PAGE White Paper) of a high speed plane impact. There is a difference between design and analysis. The analysis showed the towers would survive the crash. But that is not unexpected if the towers were designed for a low speed impact, given the sort of safety factors involved in design. To claim the towers were designed for a high speed impact is simply dishonest. To claim they were designed for the fire that would follow a plane impact is dishonest. So do you want to make those claims, NC?

Speaking to the New York Architectural League in April 1964, the concept was explained BY JOHN SKILLING.

Thank you for catching that. I badly misread that quote. I'm embarrassed to have made that mistake. You see, I have no problem admitting when I'm clearly wrong. How about you? And never the less, Skillings white paper is dated February 3 1964. It's difficult to imagine that he'd have been able to do an ANALYSIS on anything less than an already completed design and conclude the towers would survive. It's difficult to believe that he was able to complete and document such a complex analysis in less than a month. Thus, it's difficult to believe that the major structural elements weren't already designed by January 1st 1964.

Now here is another source for consideration:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-1.pdf "For the design of the WTC towers, which began in 1962, the Port Authority in May 1963 instructed the architect and engineers to prepare their designs of WTC 1 and WTC 2 to comply with the NYC Building Code."

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-22   20:16:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: BeAChooser (#58) (Edited)

"It's sad that you resort to this sort slimy language and innuendo. It is an indication that you know your arguments and assertions are without any real merit."

And when your words are shown not to have merit and to be erroneous, you pretend that that did not happen.

People get angry and frustrated with you because you do not dialog in good faith. You are brainlessly and reflexively defending everything and anything the current administration says happened 9-11.

If you were dialogging in good faith, you would not be so black and white in your alleged opinions.

BAC, the designated 4UM false flag op cheerleader.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-22   20:23:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike, nolu_chan, ALL (#59)

BAC, the designated 4UM false flag op cheerleader.

You seem to be the one doing the cheerleading (for NC) here.

That is, unless you'd like to make a real contribution to the discussion.

Tell us, FM, how did Skillings do an analysis to end all analyses (that's what the CT community claims ... right?) and document it on February 3, 1964, if the design wasn't completed until later in 1964 as nolu_chan would have us believe?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-22   22:13:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: BeAChooser (#63)

How many posts do you have left tonight Short Leash?

Minerva  posted on  2007-04-22   22:17:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Minerva (#64)

33. To: Registered (#24)

It appears Howlin is in true Clinton-mode here. Smearing someone with the term "stalker" sure sounds familiar to me. This is my first post on this new forum. How appropriate that it concerns Howlin.

As you may know, she and I crossed swords numerous times, dictionary definitions and all! And, of course, she and her friends are undoubtedly the reason I'm no longer on TOS. I guess they couldn't forgive my labeling them "move-on'ers", a completely accurate description which Jim eventually banned as a "personal insult". Or perhaps it was my calling them "democRATS" whenever they debated like democRATS.

In any case, I was booted from TOS in June with no warning and no explanation (despite what the Admin Moderators claim happens in such cases). I also haven't been given the courtesy of a response to any of the several polite emails I sent to Robinson asking for an explanation. Since I never used foul language or, as far as I can tell, violated any of the stated guidelines for posting on TOS, the only reason I can see for TOSsing me is that move-on'ers are now paying the bills and Robinson's got to eat.

Now, regarding Howlin's accusation that you are a stalker ... I "feel your pain". Here is the irony. Do you know that Howlin was once known as "Stalker"? Below is from the TOS thread "A day in the life of President Bush (photos): 6/19/02":

*********

To: omegatoo

When I first came here, I worked for an unnamed chat room who didn't want me to use Howlin as my screenname, so I took Stalker; when I left them, I picked used this one since most people who had been on Court TV chatroom knew me by this one. Take a look at the JOIN DATE on Stalker........LOL.

posted on 6/19/02 8:34 PM Pacific by Howlin

*********

Now I wonder why she called herself that?

BeAChooser posted on 2002-08-05 19:20:34 ET

It's interesting ow in his first LP post, BAC advances the notion that JR and howlin are Move On operatives.

Interesting way to start out in a new place, with easily debunk-able conspiracy theory.

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=1066&Disp=33#C33

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-22   22:36:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Ferret Mike, SKYDRIFTER, ALL (#67)

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=50387&Disp=67#C67

It's interesting ow in his first LP post, BAC advances the notion that JR and howlin are Move On operatives.

ROTFLOL! You haven't really got a clue what I meant by "move-on'er". Or what I'm really about.

Well, it looks more and more like the reason he dos not want to answer my question on whether he is part of that swiftboat the Truth Movement site he links pictures from is because he is indeed part of the picture there.

Just for the record I'm not.

And for the record, I've posted numerous fact and source filled complaints about certain bogus claims that are posted over and over here at 4um with regard to what happened to the WTC towers and Pentagon. If you and SKYDRIFTER want to base your defense against those complaints on some out of context references to past posts by me, on nasty innuendos concerning me and on raw speculations about who I am, then go right ahead. You will only end up making the fact that you folks are ignoring dishonesty in your own camp and by the *Truth* Movement leaders even more apparent. Works for me ...

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-23   11:35:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: beachooser, Jethro Tull, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#83)

On your best day, BAC, you're a lying asshole!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-23   15:48:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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