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Title: Breaking: Univ. of Colo. student arrested for remarks about VA Tech shooter
Source: Daily Kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/18/21825/5561
Published: Apr 18, 2007
Author: "Buck Fush"
Post Date: 2007-04-18 21:56:31 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 144
Comments: 8

Breaking: Univ. of Colo. student arrested for remarks about VA Tech shooter

by Buck Fush [Subscribe]
Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 06:26:21 PM

I apologize for writing a "breaking" diary, but I haven't seen this addressed yet here, and it evoked the kind of "holy @#$%, is this really happening in America?" reaction that we've all experienced far too frequently over the last six years.

The AP headline reads Student Arrested Over Va. Tech Remarks. Now, I understand that those tasked with ensuring security on college campuses are justifiably on edge right now, but this went beyond any reasonable bounds of decency.

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) -- A University of Colorado student was arrested after making comments that classmates deemed sympathetic toward the gunman blamed for killing 32 students and himself at Virginia Tech, authorities said.

During a class discussion of Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech, the student ''made comments about understanding how someone could kill 32 people,'' university police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said.

Several witnesses told investigators the student said he was ''angry about all kinds of things from the fluorescent light bulbs to the unpainted walls, and it made him angry enough to kill people,'' according to a police report. Witnesses ''said they were afraid of him and afraid to come to class with him,'' Wiesley said.

He was arrested "on suspicion of interfering with staff, faculty or students of an education institution."

If this isn't thoughtcrime, then I don't know what is.

Let's review. Acceptable discourse regarding the VA Tech tragedy: implying that our immigration laws are at fault for allowing Cho into the country (never mind he was a legal resident with a greencard), or that gun control is to blame because the students in class that day weren't all packing heat. Subject to arrest: pointing out the likelihood (supported by the manifesto released today) that Cho suffered from persecutory delusions that were the proximate cause of his rampage. Granted, that's my own reading of the offending quote, but it certainly seems like that's what he was saying. Perhaps he phrased it inartfully, but that isn't grounds for arrest.

I'm genuinely scared that the usual suspects who have railed for years about leftist academia will use this incident as an excuse to significantly restrict freedom on college campuses. Campus "speech codes" that restrict all but the most innocuous of platitudes will become the norm. We all watched the previously unthinkable become reality after 9/11/01 under the mantra that "9/11 changed everything". I hope I'm wrong, but I'm scared I'm right.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

Arrested as well he should be. These Muzzy sympathizers need a stint in Gitmo. - Badeye, BAC, Palo

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-04-18   22:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

Several witnesses told investigators the student said he was ''angry about all kinds of things from the fluorescent light bulbs to the unpainted walls, and it made him angry enough to kill people,'' according to a police report. Witnesses ''said they were afraid of him and afraid to come to class with him,'' Wiesley said.

So if "several witnesses" claim someone said they are "angry about all kinds of things", then anyone could be arrested.

Great. Of course, if his behavior included stalking, starting fires, etc., that's different. But the article doesn't mention anything but what several witnesses claim he said.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-18   22:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#0)

I'm genuinely scared that the usual suspects who have railed for years about leftist academia will use this incident as an excuse to significantly restrict freedom on college campuses.

But, but....college campuses are filled with leftist academicians. Not "Democrat" or "liberal" academicians, but real firebreathing lefties that make Hillary Clinton look like a rock-ribbed Republican. The kind of lefties who run around talking about "post-traumatic slave disorder" and "how any sex is rape"......How could they possibly impose restrictions on freedom?

Oh, wait, they already have been. Never mind.

Methinks the author needs a quick reality check on the political orientation of most educators on college campuses. I've yet to see a university campus filled with conservatives. Do any even exist anymore that aren't named after a television evangelist?

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-04-18   22:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: all (#0) (Edited)

This story has been in major media since about 3 PM Eastern.

Other students complained about this guy and what he said in class. I'm inclined to believe this is yet another example of freedom of speech being denied because some moron doesn't understand argument when they hear it. Or worse, use this kind of fear to silence someone whose argument they cannot accept.

I'm inclined to believe this is more an overreaction than a sound response.

Unfortunately, college students today tend to think their right not to be made to feel "uncomfortable" as trumping things like free speech. In fact, they don't even understand the concept of free speech.

As I suspected, this tragedy in Virginia will be used to further the shadow govt agenda of controlling through fear the population.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-18   22:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides (#0)

During a class discussion of Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech, the student ''made comments about understanding how someone could kill 32 people,'' university police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said.

Several witnesses told investigators the student said he was ''angry about all kinds of things from the fluorescent light bulbs to the unpainted walls, and it made him angry enough to kill people,''

(DANTE standing on a ladder, replaces a fluorescent light. An OLD MAN joins him at the foot of the ladder.)

OLD MAN: Be careful.

DANTE: I'm trying.

OLD MAN: You know the insides of those are filled with stuff that gives you cancer.

DANTE: So I'm told.

OLD MAN: I had a friend that used to chew glass for a living. In the circus.

(The light in place, DANTE descends the ladder and closes it.)

DANTE: And he got cancer by chewing fluorescent bulb glass...?

OLD MAN: No, he got hit by a bus.

"People like truth, it gives us a fucking benchmark." - dakmar

Dakmar  posted on  2007-04-18   22:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#0)

The concern should be what anti-depressants he's taking.

14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].

noone222  posted on  2007-04-18   23:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#0)

We all watched the previously unthinkable become reality after 9/11/01 under the mantra that "9/11 changed everything"

and now that that's worn way thin, I guess we'll hear "Va Tech changed everything" - from the left, the right, and in between, anyone who has an ax to grind that can be shifted and shaped to fit. and the worst crime will be to say that tragic as it was, Va Tech wasn't the worst crime ever in history. it wasn't even the worst crime monday, but crimes overseas apparently don't count.

kiki  posted on  2007-04-19   0:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#0)

We had a bomb scare in Minneapolis at the University of Minnesota.

When captain crackers shot up VT, it was all over the news that the University of Minnesota had plans in place to take care of any contingency, and had a means to communicate to all the students and what not.

Well, when this bomb threat happened, it was a typed piece of paper, nobody seems to know anything about it other than the person who found it mysteriously, and it listed a ton of buildings that would be blown up by 10:00 that night. Who in the hell says this sort of shit? Other than maybe a student who didn't want to take a test, or turn in a term paper.

The news covered it of course with as many connections and parallels to the shit going on in Virginia, and what bugged me the most, is how they discussed it. It made me think to myself, this was done by some administrator who needed to validate some spending that they want in order to be like the other colleges who have swat teams and shit in place.

The thing that got to me about Monday the most, was this chick on NBC, she's older, porkier, and was covering the story. Her nipples were as hard as rocks and poking through her jacket while she was talking about the killer and all that stuff, and it made me realize that some people really love this shit when it happens. Perhaps it's my shallow male nature that makes me look at a woman's tits on TV, but you have to admit, it's a bit unsettling to see a woman in that state talking about murder and mayhem.

It's a sad testimony to what has happened to our media.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-19   5:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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