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Title: palo verde...YOU are a God-damned liar, you post on this site and you know it!
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Published: Apr 18, 2007
Author: Brian S
Post Date: 2007-04-18 23:56:22 by Brian S
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I had had a belly full of Jew hating on Liberty Forum where I had been a regular poster
it was a good experience for me, lol there is nothing like being a Jew on a Jew hating forum
it was liberating for me to go right on loving them
and Liberty Forum was a great forum at the time
it is where I discovered the very first article about Sibel Edmonds
and the breadth of their posted articles was tremendous
and there were many many very intelligent posts and posters
and lovely people
some of them are the finest people I know
Post Date: 2007-03-23 14:40:37 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-03-23 14:23:11 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-03-15 13:39:00 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-03-06 21:10:52 From: palo verde To: aristeides, lodwick, ALL
Post Date: 2007-03-05 22:40:09 From: palo verde To: Fred Mertz
Post Date: 2007-03-05 21:20:50 From: palo verde To: aristeides, All
Post Date: 2007-02-11 10:51:57 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-02-11 10:48:32 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:57:55 From: palo verde To: All
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:55:18 From: palo verde To: Dakmar
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:53:07 From: palo verde To: leveller
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:41:33 From: palo verde To: Indrid Cold
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:40:32 From: palo verde To: Redheadedstranger
Post Date: 2007-01-27 22:23:35 From: palo verde To: leveller
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:58:28 From: palo verde To: LACUMO
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:54:01 From: palo verde To: Ferret Mike
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:46:49 From: palo verde To: LACUMO
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:43:14 From: palo verde To: leveller
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:39:54 From: palo verde To: Ferret Mike, ALL
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:26:28 From: palo verde To: Ferret Mike
Post Date: 2007-01-27 21:01:41 From: palo verde To: lodwick
Post Date: 2007-01-27 20:59:28 From: palo verde To: lodwick
Post Date: 2007-01-27 20:58:01 From: palo verde To: Ferret Mike
Post Date: 2007-01-27 20:49:29 From: palo verde To: christine
Post Date: 2007-01-27 20:43:04 From: palo verde To: robin
Post Date: 2007-01-27 20:39:39 From: palo verde To: lodwick
Post Date: 2007-01-27 19:41:59 From: palo verde To: All
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Post Date: 2006-11-29 23:06:00 From: palo verde To: tom007, IndieTX, randge
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Post Date: 2006-11-29 22:51:21 From: palo verde To: randge
Post Date: 2006-11-29 18:43:33 From: palo verde To: All
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#11. To: SKYDRIFTER (#10)
You've got a soft heart. ;)
I know you're right. I saw her post here just a couple of weeks ago. But why would she lie about it? That doesn't make any sense to me. Does she think people can't type her name into the search engine?
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She always struck me as an innocent kid. But, there are limits. I hate to see the obvious. Maybe cyberspace has its own version of "Stockholm Syndrome."
The pattern continues with her, it seems........ :( Sad--do you want me to pull the knife out?
ANTISEMITISM ...... What's that???
Oh, stop it! I'm sure poor sweet palo is just confused from running around barefoot in her little sundress. That happens to me sometimes, the rest of the time I'm a real bastard. Nobody's that naive. Not even dear sweet palo.
Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash. -- Winston Churchill
Brian, I thought that was a *quote* from palo, which is why I clicked on it. It'll certainly be a headline when she talks like that.
That's not true, though people often project. I have a hard time believing some people are truly evil and enjoy inflicting suffering on others even though I know there is proof. It's incomprehensible to me.
This is the part that I don't get. How the heck is this a Jew hating forum? How come I don't hear people saying this a Christian hating forum? There are just as many posts here that are anti-Christ as there are anti-Jew. This is not a hating forum period unlike Palestinian-hating Liberty Post where you have vial hatred of Palestinians condoned and practiced by the owner and many members. Palo Verde posts on a true hate forum and then she has the nerve to call 4Um a Jew hating forum, which it is not. Even if it was, is one kind of hate better than another kind of hate? Is hate OK as long as you hate the right people? I think not! God is love and he doesn't hate any of us no matter where we live or what religion we claim or do not claim. He hates sin, but he loves us so much that he has given us a chance for complete redemption from our sins if we would only accept it. He won't force us to accept him and his son; he gives us a choice. People that go to hell have chosen it over God; it is not God's desire that anyone goes there.
God is always good! Sorry: This Article does not exist! LOL!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Here's the thing. I do see a lot of Anti-Jew stuff on this forum. I see a lot of Anti-Government stuff. I see a lot of Anti-black, hispanic, asian, arabic, and all that other shit on this site too. I see a lot of truth told, I see a lot of people venting. I see a lot of people telling the world what they think, and what they believe to be right. I see a lot of shit on this site that will offend just about everyone on some level, but the thing is, WE CHOOSE WHAT WE ARE OFFENDED BY. You can easily avoid the threads that you don't want to read. You have a choice to not bother people who have their own agendas. That's the whole point of freedom of speech. When I see people trying to make this site a hate site in the eyes of the ADL, and whomever else that monitors that sort of thing, I know them for what they are when I see them. There will always be people looking to silence others for their beliefs, or if they step a little too close to the truth, especially if that truth could destroy the powers that be. This site for all its problems, and for all of it's color, is at least much more free than Free Republic, or Liberty Post when it comes to the issue of speaking one's mind. You look at any of the other sites where you can post your opinions and more often than not, you'll find yourself banned if you say something their sponsors don't like. This site doesn't have those barriers to free speech, and some people don't like it, because they like their reality, and worlds small, and easily maintained. Heaven forbid that they find out the truth about something that upsets their applecarts. That is the sad fact of life that the people who hates this site have to live with. They're simply afraid to venture down a path that isn't already paved by someone else.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Oh, and for the record, I never once thought of Palo as being one of the intelligencia, or a brilliant poster. I found her posts to be marginal in quality, and of the "let's just all hold hands and feel good" sort of strain. As nice as she is, her duplicity should tell you how genuine her kindness is.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
GREAT way to recruit people into Ron Paul's camp...
So PalosVerdes is one of us chosen folk? You OK by me Polos girl. Why don't you take off that sundress for ole blacksands? ~Shalom
I just checked the traffic at Alexa and EL-PEE is heading south right into the toliet.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Isn't it good
She was run off of LF. Let's hope she doesn't try to come here and prattle on. But now for something better: "First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
of course, palo's credibility is a joke, as i recall her defending bush to the hilt in the face of his illegal war, his lies, etc. then all she could do was remain fixated on bill clintons blowjob issue. but as we go, and as the truth is revealed, its like its brings along all the people with a brain and a soul, and the ones left behind are the spiritually bankrupt and emotionally/intellectually vapid. eta: it seems that the ones who are less than intellectually and emotionally fit are the ones who are the most successfully brainwashed, and the most resistant to objective facts as they exist.
"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature." -Alan Watts /
Funny, if I remember right, a bunch of those jew-haters that destroyed FU got together and bought her, a jew, a new computer. I'm surprised she didn't remember to mention that.
Lets not forget the kid on FU who bodly stated that he'd gladly die for Israel. Unless I'm mistaken, he is still stateside.
well said.
uh. yeah. i'm glad you reminded us. no good deed goes unpunished, does it? that was done out of love for her by all of us. BUT, i'd like for palo and rebel gal (murron) to produce one post that i have ever made saying that i hate jews or that is anti-semitic.
thanks, Ricky. you are right on.
I see a lot of truth told, I see a lot of people venting. I see a lot of people telling the world what they think, and what they believe to be right. I see a lot of shit on this site that will offend just about everyone on some level, but the thing is, WE CHOOSE WHAT WE ARE OFFENDED BY. You can easily avoid the threads that you don't want to read. You have a choice to not bother people who have their own agendas. That's the whole point of freedom of speech. When I see people trying to make this site a hate site in the eyes of the ADL, and whomever else that monitors that sort of thing, I know them for what they are when I see them. There will always be people looking to silence others for their beliefs, or if they step a little too close to the truth, especially if that truth could destroy the powers that be. This site for all its problems, and for all of it's color, is at least much more free than Free Republic, or Liberty Post when it comes to the issue of speaking one's mind. You look at any of the other sites where you can post your opinions and more often than not, you'll find yourself banned if you say something their sponsors don't like. This site doesn't have those barriers to free speech, and some people don't like it, because they like their reality, and worlds small, and easily maintained. Heaven forbid that they find out the truth about something that upsets their applecarts. well said, Tommy. i should add your post as an addendum to this:
Here's hoping that someone with ElPee posting privileges lets Palo know she's way busted. Being naive is one thing; being patently phony is another.
Exactly.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I would like to hear Palo's explanation first. Besides, she has posted here in a visiting style and that minimizes the hypocrisy of her statements. She also posted this on a site where it is sane to fear arbitrary and bombastic stupidity from the batttleaxe running it. Palo is timid about sparking rage in the insane. I still consider her a friend because I understand Palo and never have high expectations of her as being more then a mood poster. She has never tried to be a mover and shaker to any significant degree.
TTMA.........this works when a thread has a heading or keywords that indicate one might not like the thread's content; but when you're reading a thread about 'iced tea', as an example, and suddenly the joos are tossed in, what the hell gives? How do you avoid that? I've jokingly, as a way to stop such nonsense, suggested that it must have been the joos that broke my fingernail one morning! But you can't do that all the time........it's silly, and no doubt there would be some who would be listing my 'grievance' somewhere as another black mark against joos.
You can easily avoid the threads that you don't want to read. You have a choice to not bother people who have their own agendas. That's the whole point of freedom of speech. And people have the chance to add as many less offensive threads as they choose.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Chrissie, they can't. Their problem is they can't get beyond the idea that one can discuss issues regarding Israel or Jewry or Jews and not hate or wish their death or injury....the old 'sacred cow' thingie, I reckon......either that or their head is so far stuck up the rectal orifices that doctors can't remove them!. In the case of the latter name you mentioned, I believe much of that problem devolved around the likker bottle(s) and a motor mouth with flappin lips combined with the urge to lie rather than be truthful as she scratches the sides of the hole she's dug for herself trying to rejoin the human race. As for the former named poster, to think back over the long, long period of time you've known each other, and even myself, though not as long, and how often we came to her rescue, not to mention the computer thing, goes to show the ungratefulness or unthankfulness of hands offered in friendship and care. I still remember the lie(s) she said about the TOS owner and how when she was cornered on it, came begging in emails to contact people to save her butt in that matter. Perhaps you ought to 'threaten' to kick her ass or sue her in order to get her to shut up with these stupid lies/statements regarding what you've established here. After a while, it is really old, and I, for one, cut that person(s) no slack.
She's not evil. But she should be truthful. Love and truth go together. Didn't Christ say that "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free," and "To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth"?
War and Slavery go together, just as Peace and Freedom do.
I could but I wouldn't want to give that site's hitmeter another hit. I think when all is said and done, it comes down to the fact that she is just someone who does not want to be disliked, and therefor posts somewhat to both sides.. I think she's innocent in the grand scheme of things of purposeful disingenuousness. But she needs to grow out of her guilt complex and grow a backbone and take a stand one way or the other on certain things. However, the name calling against us struck me the wrong way. She should just stay away rather than calling us names behind our backs, and to garner more friends on the site she posted that on. She is just seeking friends by lowering herself to their level, regardless of how disgusting those friends are. Like I said, she needs to grow some spine and learn to think for herself.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Ordinarily, I wouldn't get concerned, but a lot of people here at the 4-um gave her a lot of support and respect. I'd like her to know that there's a price for treachery. She's smart enough to know that, in advance. If that's the peak of her integrity, she definitely found a good home, however.
Well said and excellent point. It does make me feel violated.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition I never get tired of repeating what George Orwell (Eric Blair) once wrote: "Freedom of speech, if it means anything at all, is the right to say what other people don't want to hear.
War and Slavery go together, just as Peace and Freedom do.
The "Palo persona" rubbed me the wrong way from day one. Maybe I just don't like sweet simpletons . . . or it could be I don't like frauds and phonies. Richard W.
I haven't read much of this thread so I'm not quite sure what she did, but one thing about palo I saw was that a lot of posters did not 'get' her. She was dumb as a fox as they say.
Palo could have been an act, but I wasn't impressed by anything other than a dumb blonde in her former life. It occurs to me that there may be a set of "test" personalities on these forums, with some social theorist gathering data. No telling what is possible, these days. It would make for fertile ground; that's for damned sure. A "cyber" study to accompany the Milgram/Zimbardo studies.
I see a lot of that sort of thing happening. It could be the most irrelevant thread, and of course, there's always someone who blames the Jews for something. Then again, if it's not the Jews, it's the hispanics, the blacks, the asians, the liberals, the republicans... You name it. We live in a blameless society. Unless you're white, and of course we all know it's Whitey's Fault.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
That's crossed my mind as well.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSad about Palo; I spent a lot of time being her champion. Oh well!
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#12. To: Brian S (#0)
#13. To: Eoghan (#11)
You've got a soft heart. ;)
#14. To: christine (#5)
#15. To: Zipporah (#7)
#16. To: rowdee, christine (#14)
Sad--do you want me to pull the knife out?
#17. To: Brian S (#0)
palo verde...YOU are a God-damned liar, you post on this site and you know it!
#18. To: Hmmmmm (#16)
Nobody's that naive. Not even dear sweet palo.
#19. To: Brian S, Palo Verde (#0)
but by the time 4um started, I had zero desire to be on a Jew hating forum
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#20. To: Zipporah (#7)
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Antisemitism on 4um: by BloviatorLeveller
It either does not yet exist, or has been deleted! 
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#21. To: Brian S (#0)
#22. To: All, Christine, and Palo Verde (#21)
#23. To: Zipporah, palo verde (#7)
on FR they hate Muslims on LP they hate immigrants on 4um they hate Jews
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#24. To: Brian S (#0)
there is nothing like being a Jew on a Jew hating forum
it was liberating for me I worship Israel. Kill all Arabs and let Allah sort 'em out. We are the chosen ones. Shalom.
My Rabbi is my dentist.
Gots to keep da' money in da' family.
#25. To: christine (#5)
#26. To: Brian S (#0)
that all the lying neocon rats
have segregated themselves at ElPee
under the Star of David?
#27. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#22)
As nice as she is, her duplicity should tell you how genuine her kindness is.
#28. To: All (#27)
#29. To: Brian S (#0)
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#30. To: christine (#5)
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#31. To: Esso (#30)
#32. To: gengis gandhi (#29)
but as we go, and as the truth is revealed, its like its brings along all the people with a brain and a soul, and the ones left behind are the spiritually bankrupt and emotionally/intellectually vapid.
#33. To: Esso (#30)
Funny, if I remember right, a bunch of those jew-haters that destroyed FU got together and bought her, a jew, a new computer.
#34. To: RickyJ (#19)
How come I don't hear people saying this a Christian hating forum? There are just as many posts here that are anti-Christ as there are anti-Jew. This is not a hating forum period unlike Palestinian-hating Liberty Post where you have vial hatred of Palestinians condoned and practiced by the owner and many members. Palo Verde posts on a true hate forum and then she has the nerve to call 4Um a Jew hating forum, which it is not. Even if it was, is one kind of hate better than another kind of hate? Is hate OK as long as you hate the right people? I think not!
#35. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#21)
Here's the thing. I do see a lot of Anti-Jew stuff on this forum. I see a lot of Anti-Government stuff. I see a lot of Anti-black, hispanic, asian, arabic, and all that other shit on this site too.
#36. To: Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#5)
#37. To: SKYDRIFTER (#36)
Being naive is one thing; being patently phony is another.
#38. To: Brian S, Palo Verde (#0)
#39. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#21)
You can easily avoid the threads that you don't want to read.
#40. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#21)
I see a lot of shit on this site that will offend just about everyone on some level, but the thing is, WE CHOOSE WHAT WE ARE OFFENDED BY.
#41. To: christine (#33)
uh. yeah. i'm glad you reminded us. no good deed goes unpunished, does it? that was done out of love for her by all of us. BUT, i'd like for palo and rebel gal (murron) to produce one post that i have ever made saying that i hate jews or that is anti-semitic.
#42. To: Critter, Zipporah (#3)
Oh leave Palo alone. She always signs her posts "Love Palo". How evil can she be?
#43. To: SKYDRIFTER (#36)
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Here's hoping that someone with ElPee posting privileges lets Palo know she's way busted. Being naive is one thing; being patently phony is another.
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#44. To: IndieTX, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#43)
#45. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)
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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#46. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#21)
You can easily avoid the threads that you don't want to read. You have a choice to not bother people who have their own agendas. That's the whole point of freedom of speech.
#47. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)
I'd like her to know that there's a price for treachery.
#48. To: SKYDRIFTER, All (#44)
#49. To: Diana, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Kamala, All (#48)
#50. To: rowdee (#39)
#51. To: SKYDRIFTER (#49)
It occurs to me that there may be a set of "test" personalities on these forums, with some social theorist gathering data.
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