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Title: Photo Evidence of US Military Psyop [Cho Seung Hui]
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URL Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: wikipedia via LF
Post Date: 2007-04-19 07:05:54 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Poster Comment: 32 dead? Pretty good shooten.
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#28. To: IndieTX (#23)
While I agree that there are "SKADS" of folks that are depressed, some being "treated" while others aren't, there are many just dealing with it. The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive. It seems to me that many people are too willing to just take some dope rather than address the real problem. Whether the dope is from off the street, behind the bar or from a legitimized dope peddler (pharmacist) it's only masking the problem and when the cure wears off the problem remains and is sometimes increased due to problems incurred while "medicated". There's no question that a real dilemma exists. Depression and real psychosis exist and may never be resolved. I have often wondered why suicides are kept quiet rather than publicized and explored. There are far more of them than we are made aware of because the system doesn't want us to stop and ask "WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE HATE LIFE ENOUGH TO KILL THEMSELVES and others" ? A world in a constant state of war, that promotes violence in every aspect of the media (for profit), and a people satisfied to allow it or medicate themselves to tolerate it are doomed to depression.
14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].
you make some excellent points. The people that do themselves in, however, don't hate life. They have reached a point where the pain exceeds their resources to cope, and thus, do themselves in to escape the pain. It's sad. Our society is screwed in so many ways, many of which you describe and that's enough to make a lot of people depressed.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition I believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Two Photos Of Cho Show Different Men (?) April 18, MSNBC, Scarborough Country -- Michele Kosinski reports at about 10:13 PM eastern time that Cho's roommates say they do not recognize him in the film from the package sent to NBC. Comment Webmaster I believe it is the same person, and the images differ for good reason. In the first picture, a school ID shot, Cho is a bit slimmer and facing the camera directly. Someone else is shooting. In the second, he is clearly suffering the full effects of his madness (shot the day of the killings -- he looks exhausted and dazed), is a bit fatter, sans glasses and it is a video camera freeze frame where he is turning the camera down to shoot his own face, the camera somewhat elevated, so it foreshortens his appearance, especially the ears. The video image is a bit distorted and wide which is also not uncommon. In the first pic, he has hair, in the second he is shaved, almost bald. Compare the facial features, they are the same. Compare the lips, shape and size of the mouth along with the philtrum (the groove under the nose) above the lip. If you look closely, though the lighting is bad in the second shot, the uneven pigmentation of the sides of his lower lip are exactly the same. The arc and pitch of the eyebrows is the same. The eyes are the same, though with utterly different expressions from one pic to the next. The peculiar curl at the top of his left (our left) ear is evident in both shots. The two pictures are different because they were taken at two different occasions using two completely different photographic mediums and methods.
He sent the video to NBC. MSNBC IS THE ONLY NETWORK WITH 3 Jesuit trained commentators ie Russert, Matthews, McLaughlin . See Coral Snake's post about the Vatican.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Cho clearly had help to make the videos (and not in a "2 hour time frame")...I believe the dorm shooter is walking free.
Detractor? No, Itisa1mosttoolate. I'm simply asking questions. I thought the defense department angle was interesting so I posted it to add more information to this body of work. As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Yes.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
The people who say he made this video bullshit in the 2 hour span are full of fucking shit, and or stupid. I cannot believe the shit these people come up with. The packet he sent, if he was the one who sent it, was made WELL IN ADVANCE. It takes time to burn cds, or dvds, let alone make videos and edit them. This clown had this shit done in advance, if you belive the lone gunman theory, he made the packet in advance, and then went on a rampage that day. He shot some people, mailed out his package, and then went back and shot some more people, which tells me that this guy obviously knew that he would be able to do this sort of thing. How is it that a guy who shoots two people in an elevator, is able to get away with out any blood on him, or be seen by other students on campus coming from the crimescene? More importantly, how does one shoot two people without drawing attention to himself, LEAVING A SURVIVOR BEHIND, WHO WAS THE BOYFRIEND, WHO HAPPENED TO RUN AWAY FROM CAMPUS AFTER IT HAPPENED??? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT? The police say they were tailing a suspect in a truck, that happened to be the boyfriend. Why didn't the boyfriend call the fucking cops, or did he??? There's a lot of things wrong with the way this story came out, and how things fall into place.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Reading this other guy's post makes me think he's in the same camp as Penn and Teller when it comes to the Kennedy Assasination, and firing 3 rounds in less than 7 seconds, while looking through a scope, and firing on a moving target. I myself am a VERY good shot with both rifle and pistol, and believe that this kid had to have spent some time at a gun range, or had some training in order to make accurate shots. Even if he lined them up and shot them execution style, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd still have to aim and shoot. Not to mention pass the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!! I think there may have been a second guy, probably the one who shot this douche bag after the incident. I'm not convinced he acted alone, or that he was not a managed asset.
Yes, it appears he may have had help, and lots of it.
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2007/04/copycat-effect.html Reader: The return address on the package sent to NBC was 88 revol dr revol - lover Page 11 of the pdf manifesto shows Number of the Anti-Terrorist 88 Veritas. I've read of them before. The sister is probably the way the spooks found out about the brother and his mental problems. Someone picked him and got him ready. A kid like him is ripe for use by spooks for an operation like this one. Thanks for the link. We can be sure the defense contractors who run the media will not mention any of this.
Absolutely! He had to have the photos and videos done ahead of time. His roommate was home and was sleeping in that hour or two, during which time the photos would have been taken in the room or next to it. I do not believe that is the way it went down. We are so screwed. Our media and public events have never been this controlled in American history, and it's frightening to see it all slipping away.
When you're reduced to whining about how long a poster has been around, you know you're beat. Suck it up, sparky.
No one's whining, just pointing out the facts. You're the one making accusations you can't back up.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Either say something substantive about the topic or go blow yourself.
I posted a url disussing the sister's employment with the DoD. WTF are you ranting about?
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
According to the MSM, Hui was a 23-year-old English major with absolutely no known military training, but the picture below shows him in a U.S. Marine Corps Digital Camouflage uniform which is proprietary. And no, it cannot be purchased at surplus stores. The Eagle, Globe and Anchor symbols are embedded in the fabric itself. What he exercised was a full assault designed for close quarters combat (CQB) emphasizing close range engagements with a higher rate of target acquisition and lethality. All of this was done with "Zero known training"? Not likely! Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind. Back in Biblical times, in the Old Testament, Ismael was the first Arab to come from the union of Hagar and Abraham. If this is an Israeli opt, labeling him as an Arab just might be a sign of who's to come next in the bombing campaign for the 'war on terror' ... the Asian continents.
Why don't you go to a kiddie forum if you're going to act like a child? I don't have any idea who badeye is, and don't care. That's the second time you've said that. Do it again, and I'll dump your ass in the bozo file with BAC.
I am fairly convinced he was a managed asset of spooks who made this event happen, right down to his tattoo reference.
Who's the other guy in the pic??
Sounds like a modern Jewish name, to me. What such would represent is a mystery, for the moment.
A Jew?
Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians. Ishmael's ax was used by Ibrihim to tear down idols of false gods. Therefore, I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.
The mystery is who and what Hui was, but I think we're on the right track.
My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression. If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population. "Vee haff vays uff dealink viss your kine; you look so very down. Maybe I haff you evaluated; jah? OR, you juss do your job, Jah?"
HIPAA, the federal medical privacy act, was passed by the Republican Congress in 1996.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
That isn't what Wayne Madsen thinks: Virginia Tech mass killer Cho Seung-Hui, in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan." Cho used the return address name, "A Ishmael" and he had the name "Ismael Ax" written in red ink on his arm. There is a possibility that Cho was referring to the Norse Ballad of Ismal. Ismal was a Norse warrior who slew twelve dragons. The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism. To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I read something interesting regarding this very thing. Credit to tgambill at LF: Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following: Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance- related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website: http://www.psi http://kofarmakoloji. org/dernek/hakkimizda2_eng.asp President-elect: Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.: http://www. pjms.com.pk/issues/janmar06/article/article12.html As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . . This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK: "http://www.adlibilimler.info/inde x.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=321&Itemid=28" Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise. "Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc. The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder. So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said ISMAIL AK and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said ISMAIL AX That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism. " END
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Who will determine this, psychiatrists and other such headshrinkers? These are the freaks who are responsible for doping up the young kids with ritalin and much worse such as those in the Columbine shooting, not to mention other instances.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Correct, and since it was tattooed on his arm, it's logical to assume that he was someone's tool/weapon; however, I am of the opinion that the "who" wasn't righteous. Israeli/Mossad opt. via U.S. Marine Corps? Maybe. I mean, why not? U.S. Navy has had it's fair share of spies and whatnots? If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population. You are right. It might have a unilateral purpose, such as equating anti-Semitism to (a) mental illness. Homosexuality was once believed to be a form of mental illness when the Moral Majority controlled things. Now, Jews control things, so criminalizing anti-Semitism, while dehumanizing those who fit it's ideology, seems right up their ally. Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.
Am I missing some evidence? Who said that?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
What's frightening about that report, posted here btw is this bit: The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism. They are clearly appealing to youthful idiots who have more faith in video games with similar nonsense than in anything else. And if Cho is a patsy for a psyop, then "Ismail Ax" is meant to get the FR types thinking he's a Muslim terrorist. And yesterday it was reported, there already is a thread on FR with just that.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
KCIA works closely with the U.S. in many instances. That this would be a military PSYOP is no great surprise. He was a dead shot, it seems, almost impossible without much practice and training. I caught a blurb on radio news this morning where they said the shooter called Klebold and Harris (the Columbine shooters) "martyrs." This is very indicative of a mind control subject.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Paul Revere: "Why don't you go to a kiddie forum if you're going to act like a child? I don't have any idea who badeye is, and don't care. That's the second time you've said that. Do it again, and I'll dump your ass in the bozo file with BAC." Hmmm. Now who do I recall taking that remonstrative tone with me before and calling me childish. Hmmmmmm. Lemme think here.... LIBERTY POST: "You won't have to bother posting to me in the future. I'm placing you on filter, and I know you only get five posts per 24 hour cycle. Use them wisely, and don't waste them on me. Thanks in advance, Badeye" I'm just sayin'. Now, "Paul Revere", if that is your real name, you can put me on bozo if you want to, and that's fine. I post a lot of stuff here, and you'll miss a lot of it, and that's certainly your privilege. I'm sure some folks here have me on bozo already. But then you won't be able to see it when I connect your posts to those of Badeye and demonstrate a marked similarity, both in tone and in content and in style of posting. Or, you can laugh this off, although frankly, you don't much seem the type to laugh stuff off. Which is, interestingly, kinda the way badeye was. He was also an idealogical chameleon, well capable of taking on a liberal or libertarian type personality. He was also an insanely addicted poster, jumping on every thread around (which in fairness, I do also) and I find it hard to believe Goldi could ban him and he'd just stop. He was also quick to threaten "the filter" and he was also quick to call others childish or stupid or say things like "if you're not going to be serious, I don't have any time for you." Oddly similar to the tone you've taken. I could definitely see him showing up here, taking on a different persona, and engaging his addiction to posting. For my part, he'd be very welcome, so long as he understood that in this forum civility is more the norm than the exception, and tone and respect for each other (even those you can't stand) are SOP (we all make an exception for BeAChooser, because he's so often used El Pee as a place from which to insult christine, whom we all love without exception). I know that there are others who would toss Badeye out on his ass if they knew it was him. It would be completely unfair of me to assume that you are Badeye. And I do not. However, as I've said many times, paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership. If I'm being paranoid, you'd do better to forgive me so that we can reach an understanding than to just bozo me, which would only heighten my suspicion. Badeye was, if not quite my friend, at least someone whom I respected and felt I could share a beer with. Most folks here didn't feel that way about him, but I did. So you decide what you want to do.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I believe it was inferred - him and Islam. It was in one of the many reports I've read this past week. Look for it, I'm sure you can find it.
If there's anything to your claim, I'm sure you can present evidence. Cho's statements about Jesus Christ certainly seem to contradict any view that he was a Moslem.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
But where and what is the photo evidence? Did I miss something?
The skads of folks sufferring from depression out there who are NOT getting treatment are of much more concern. This guy was psychotic, not depressed. Big difference.
#29. To: noone222 (#28)
The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive.
#30. To: roughrider (#27)
#31. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
http://www.rense.com/general76/cho.htm
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#32. To: Eoghan (#31)
#33. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#32)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#34. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate (#15)
you're wasting your time trying to discuss this with your detractors. Those guys specialize in disinformation, redirecting threads to some extraneous point they create. Ignore them entirely, and focus on those who do know something about government and military operations. Angle and Mertle Turtle don't.
#35. To: bluedogtxn (#19)
this is a colossal tragedy for everyone
#36. To: Eoghan (#33)
#37. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#25)
Learning the mechanics of a firearm, is not the same as learning how to hit what you're aiming at.
#38. To: TheSilverFox (#21)
#39. To: Paul Revere (#38)
Trend...a possible Neo-nazi reference, a human robot killer, and an agenda (with Holocaust propaganda).
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#40. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)
Virginia Tech Shooting: I've Already Seen Enough [shooter's sister is a Spook]
#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#30)
believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.
#42. To: angle (#34)
As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?
#43. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate, christine (#42)
When you're reduced to whining about how long a poster has been around
#44. To: angle (#43)
No one's whining, just pointing out the facts. You're the one making accusations you can't back up
#45. To: Paul Revere (#44)
Either say something substantive about the topic or go blow yourself.
#46. To: angle, Paul Revere (#34)
As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?
#47. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate, (#38)
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Yes, it appears he may have had help, and lots of it.
#48. To: bluedogtxn (#46)
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Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?
#49. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
#50. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
#51. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm.
#52. To: Lady X (#50)
#53. To: TheSilverFox (#52)
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#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#51)
#55. To: TheSilverFox (#54)
#56. To: Dempsy (#18)
#57. To: Eoghan (#47)
#58. To: Paul Revere (#53)
Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians.
April 19, 2007 -- WMR has learned that a number of private military companies, some under Defense Department contracts in Iraq and elsewhere, are rife with a potpourri of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen, Aryan supremacists, pagan Norse and Teutonic god worshipers, Dungeons and Dragons aficionados, and Christian Dominionists. Right-wing groups, including veterans of Latin American, southern African, and Asian paramilitary forces, are being recruited by these firms. Particularly needed are individuals trained in the use of Glock 19s, AK-47s, M-16s, M-4s, rocket-propelled grenade launchers (RPGs), and shoulder-fired MANPADS (Man-portable air defense systems).
#59. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind.
#60. To: Dempsy (#3)
People with overt mental illness
#61. To: Paul Revere, SKYDRIFTER (#53)
I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.
My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression.
#62. To: TheSilverFox (#61)
Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.
#63. To: aristeides (#58)
#64. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)
#65. To: Paul Revere, aristeides, kamala, leveller, Burkeman1, christine, robin, anyone else (#48)
bluedogtxn: "Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?"
#66. To: aristeides (#62)
Who said that?
#67. To: TheSilverFox (#66)
#68. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
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