Title: Photo Evidence of US Military Psyop [Cho Seung Hui] Source:
[None] URL Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui Published:Apr 19, 2007 Author:wikipedia via LF Post Date:2007-04-19 07:05:54 by Itisa1mosttoolate Keywords:None Views:1865 Comments:103
#21. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, TheSilverFox, christine, All (#0)
BUMP ---- > Fantastic Thread!
Mike Rivero on the 2 hours: 1. Shoot people 2. Make video. 3. Transfer to computer. 4. Burn disk. 5. Wrap package. 6. Go to post office. 7. Buy postage. 8. Put postage on package. 9. Mail package. 10. Shoot more people.
The video in this thread: "we continue to sacrifice..."
Especially if they are taking mind altering drugs ! That would effectively eliminate app. 90% of America's population, given that alcohol is indeed mind altering.
Would also eliminate about 50% of the nations police, since many are on anti- depressants. Let's not use this as an excuse to go after the rights of those taking medication for depression. This guy was a lot more than depressed. Depression alone is not mental illness in the sense that many think, i.e. danger to selves or others, especially while on medication.
The skads of folks sufferring from depression out there who are NOT getting treatment are of much more concern. This guy was psychotic, not depressed. Big difference.
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these. - - IndieTX "Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!" --Three Stooges
Learning the mechanics of a firearm, is not the same as learning how to hit what you're aiming at.
Reading this other guy's post makes me think he's in the same camp as Penn and Teller when it comes to the Kennedy Assasination, and firing 3 rounds in less than 7 seconds, while looking through a scope, and firing on a moving target.
I myself am a VERY good shot with both rifle and pistol, and believe that this kid had to have spent some time at a gun range, or had some training in order to make accurate shots.
Even if he lined them up and shot them execution style, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd still have to aim and shoot.
Not to mention pass the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!!
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
It is never the mechanics of firing a handgun. You have to be willing. If you practice enough, especially at a combat range, you MIGHT develop the instincts of a gunfighter through repetition: "See the threat, draw, shoot." That has to do with an actual threat to you or another person. This guy was willing to kill unarmed people.
The timeline is a real killer. Do the first killings. Make a DVD. Package up all the goodies for NBC (why THEM?). Go to the Post Office. Go back to campus. Do some more killing. I can see him offing himself after making the video and leaving it. The rest is too weird. He just shot two people. Why did he think there would be no law enforcement response at all until he had done all of the damage?
The skads of folks sufferring from depression out there who are NOT getting treatment are of much more concern. This guy was psychotic, not depressed. Big difference.
While I agree that there are "SKADS" of folks that are depressed, some being "treated" while others aren't, there are many just dealing with it. The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive.
It seems to me that many people are too willing to just take some dope rather than address the real problem. Whether the dope is from off the street, behind the bar or from a legitimized dope peddler (pharmacist) it's only masking the problem and when the cure wears off the problem remains and is sometimes increased due to problems incurred while "medicated".
There's no question that a real dilemma exists. Depression and real psychosis exist and may never be resolved. I have often wondered why suicides are kept quiet rather than publicized and explored. There are far more of them than we are made aware of because the system doesn't want us to stop and ask "WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE HATE LIFE ENOUGH TO KILL THEMSELVES and others" ?
A world in a constant state of war, that promotes violence in every aspect of the media (for profit), and a people satisfied to allow it or medicate themselves to tolerate it are doomed to depression.
14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].
The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive.
you make some excellent points. The people that do themselves in, however, don't hate life. They have reached a point where the pain exceeds their resources to cope, and thus, do themselves in to escape the pain. It's sad. Our society is screwed in so many ways, many of which you describe and that's enough to make a lot of people depressed.
I believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
April 18, MSNBC, Scarborough Country -- Michele Kosinski reports at about 10:13 PM eastern time that Cho's roommates say they do not recognize him in the film from the package sent to NBC.
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I believe it is the same person, and the images differ for good reason. In the first picture, a school ID shot, Cho is a bit slimmer and facing the camera directly. Someone else is shooting. In the second, he is clearly suffering the full effects of his madness (shot the day of the killings -- he looks exhausted and dazed), is a bit fatter, sans glasses and it is a video camera freeze frame where he is turning the camera down to shoot his own face, the camera somewhat elevated, so it foreshortens his appearance, especially the ears. The video image is a bit distorted and wide which is also not uncommon. In the first pic, he has hair, in the second he is shaved, almost bald. Compare the facial features, they are the same. Compare the lips, shape and size of the mouth along with the philtrum (the groove under the nose) above the lip. If you look closely, though the lighting is bad in the second shot, the uneven pigmentation of the sides of his lower lip are exactly the same. The arc and pitch of the eyebrows is the same. The eyes are the same, though with utterly different expressions from one pic to the next. The peculiar curl at the top of his left (our left) ear is evident in both shots. The two pictures are different because they were taken at two different occasions using two completely different photographic mediums and methods.
you're wasting your time trying to discuss this with your detractors. Those guys specialize in disinformation, redirecting threads to some extraneous point they create. Ignore them entirely, and focus on those who do know something about government and military operations. Angle and Mertle Turtle don't.
Detractor? No, Itisa1mosttoolate. I'm simply asking questions. I thought the defense department angle was interesting so I posted it to add more information to this body of work.
As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
The people who say he made this video bullshit in the 2 hour span are full of fucking shit, and or stupid.
I cannot believe the shit these people come up with. The packet he sent, if he was the one who sent it, was made WELL IN ADVANCE. It takes time to burn cds, or dvds, let alone make videos and edit them.
This clown had this shit done in advance, if you belive the lone gunman theory, he made the packet in advance, and then went on a rampage that day. He shot some people, mailed out his package, and then went back and shot some more people, which tells me that this guy obviously knew that he would be able to do this sort of thing. How is it that a guy who shoots two people in an elevator, is able to get away with out any blood on him, or be seen by other students on campus coming from the crimescene?
More importantly, how does one shoot two people without drawing attention to himself, LEAVING A SURVIVOR BEHIND, WHO WAS THE BOYFRIEND, WHO HAPPENED TO RUN AWAY FROM CAMPUS AFTER IT HAPPENED??? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT? The police say they were tailing a suspect in a truck, that happened to be the boyfriend. Why didn't the boyfriend call the fucking cops, or did he???
There's a lot of things wrong with the way this story came out, and how things fall into place.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Learning the mechanics of a firearm, is not the same as learning how to hit what you're aiming at.
Reading this other guy's post makes me think he's in the same camp as Penn and Teller when it comes to the Kennedy Assasination, and firing 3 rounds in less than 7 seconds, while looking through a scope, and firing on a moving target.
I myself am a VERY good shot with both rifle and pistol, and believe that this kid had to have spent some time at a gun range, or had some training in order to make accurate shots.
Even if he lined them up and shot them execution style, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd still have to aim and shoot.
Not to mention pass the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!!
I think there may have been a second guy, probably the one who shot this douche bag after the incident. I'm not convinced he acted alone, or that he was not a managed asset.
The sister is probably the way the spooks found out about the brother and his mental problems. Someone picked him and got him ready. A kid like him is ripe for use by spooks for an operation like this one.
Thanks for the link. We can be sure the defense contractors who run the media will not mention any of this.
believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.
Absolutely! He had to have the photos and videos done ahead of time. His roommate was home and was sleeping in that hour or two, during which time the photos would have been taken in the room or next to it. I do not believe that is the way it went down.
We are so screwed. Our media and public events have never been this controlled in American history, and it's frightening to see it all slipping away.
#47. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate, (#38)(Edited)
Yes, it appears he may have had help, and lots of it.
According to the MSM, Hui was a 23-year-old English major with absolutely no known military training, but the picture below shows him in a U.S. Marine Corps Digital Camouflage uniform which is proprietary. And no, it cannot be purchased at surplus stores. The Eagle, Globe and Anchor symbols are embedded in the fabric itself. What he exercised was a full assault designed for close quarters combat (CQB) emphasizing close range engagements with a higher rate of target acquisition and lethality. All of this was done with "Zero known training"? Not likely!
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind. Back in Biblical times, in the Old Testament, Ismael was the first Arab to come from the union of Hagar and Abraham. If this is an Israeli opt, labeling him as an Arab just might be a sign of who's to come next in the bombing campaign for the 'war on terror' ... the Asian continents.
My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression.
If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population.
"Vee haff vays uff dealink viss your kine; you look so very down. Maybe I haff you evaluated; jah? OR, you juss do your job, Jah?"
HIPAA, the federal medical privacy act, was passed by the Republican Congress in 1996.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either but right through the human heart." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
April 19, 2007 -- WMR has learned that a number of private military companies, some under Defense Department contracts in Iraq and elsewhere, are rife with a potpourri of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen, Aryan supremacists, pagan Norse and Teutonic god worshipers, Dungeons and Dragons aficionados, and Christian Dominionists. Right-wing groups, including veterans of Latin American, southern African, and Asian paramilitary forces, are being recruited by these firms. Particularly needed are individuals trained in the use of Glock 19s, AK-47s, M-16s, M-4s, rocket-propelled grenade launchers (RPGs), and shoulder-fired MANPADS (Man-portable air defense systems).
Virginia Tech mass killer Cho Seung-Hui, in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan." Cho used the return address name, "A Ishmael" and he had the name "Ismael Ax" written in red ink on his arm. There is a possibility that Cho was referring to the Norse Ballad of Ismal. Ismal was a Norse warrior who slew twelve dragons.
The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind.
I read something interesting regarding this very thing. Credit to tgambill at LF:
Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following: Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance- related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:
As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . . This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:
Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.
"Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.
The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX
That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism. " END
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Who will determine this, psychiatrists and other such headshrinkers? These are the freaks who are responsible for doping up the young kids with ritalin and much worse such as those in the Columbine shooting, not to mention other instances.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke