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Title: Photo Evidence of US Military Psyop [Cho Seung Hui]
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URL Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: wikipedia via LF
Post Date: 2007-04-19 07:05:54 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#50. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
Who's the other guy in the pic??
Sounds like a modern Jewish name, to me. What such would represent is a mystery, for the moment.
A Jew?
Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians. Ishmael's ax was used by Ibrihim to tear down idols of false gods. Therefore, I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.
The mystery is who and what Hui was, but I think we're on the right track.
My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression. If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population. "Vee haff vays uff dealink viss your kine; you look so very down. Maybe I haff you evaluated; jah? OR, you juss do your job, Jah?"
HIPAA, the federal medical privacy act, was passed by the Republican Congress in 1996.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
That isn't what Wayne Madsen thinks: Virginia Tech mass killer Cho Seung-Hui, in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan." Cho used the return address name, "A Ishmael" and he had the name "Ismael Ax" written in red ink on his arm. There is a possibility that Cho was referring to the Norse Ballad of Ismal. Ismal was a Norse warrior who slew twelve dragons. The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism. To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I read something interesting regarding this very thing. Credit to tgambill at LF: Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following: Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance- related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website: http://www.psi http://kofarmakoloji. org/dernek/hakkimizda2_eng.asp President-elect: Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.: http://www. pjms.com.pk/issues/janmar06/article/article12.html As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . . This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK: "http://www.adlibilimler.info/inde x.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=321&Itemid=28" Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise. "Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc. The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder. So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said ISMAIL AK and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said ISMAIL AX That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism. " END
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Who will determine this, psychiatrists and other such headshrinkers? These are the freaks who are responsible for doping up the young kids with ritalin and much worse such as those in the Columbine shooting, not to mention other instances.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Correct, and since it was tattooed on his arm, it's logical to assume that he was someone's tool/weapon; however, I am of the opinion that the "who" wasn't righteous. Israeli/Mossad opt. via U.S. Marine Corps? Maybe. I mean, why not? U.S. Navy has had it's fair share of spies and whatnots? If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population. You are right. It might have a unilateral purpose, such as equating anti-Semitism to (a) mental illness. Homosexuality was once believed to be a form of mental illness when the Moral Majority controlled things. Now, Jews control things, so criminalizing anti-Semitism, while dehumanizing those who fit it's ideology, seems right up their ally. Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.
Am I missing some evidence? Who said that?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
What's frightening about that report, posted here btw is this bit: The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism. They are clearly appealing to youthful idiots who have more faith in video games with similar nonsense than in anything else. And if Cho is a patsy for a psyop, then "Ismail Ax" is meant to get the FR types thinking he's a Muslim terrorist. And yesterday it was reported, there already is a thread on FR with just that.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
KCIA works closely with the U.S. in many instances. That this would be a military PSYOP is no great surprise. He was a dead shot, it seems, almost impossible without much practice and training. I caught a blurb on radio news this morning where they said the shooter called Klebold and Harris (the Columbine shooters) "martyrs." This is very indicative of a mind control subject.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Paul Revere: "Why don't you go to a kiddie forum if you're going to act like a child? I don't have any idea who badeye is, and don't care. That's the second time you've said that. Do it again, and I'll dump your ass in the bozo file with BAC." Hmmm. Now who do I recall taking that remonstrative tone with me before and calling me childish. Hmmmmmm. Lemme think here.... LIBERTY POST: "You won't have to bother posting to me in the future. I'm placing you on filter, and I know you only get five posts per 24 hour cycle. Use them wisely, and don't waste them on me. Thanks in advance, Badeye" I'm just sayin'. Now, "Paul Revere", if that is your real name, you can put me on bozo if you want to, and that's fine. I post a lot of stuff here, and you'll miss a lot of it, and that's certainly your privilege. I'm sure some folks here have me on bozo already. But then you won't be able to see it when I connect your posts to those of Badeye and demonstrate a marked similarity, both in tone and in content and in style of posting. Or, you can laugh this off, although frankly, you don't much seem the type to laugh stuff off. Which is, interestingly, kinda the way badeye was. He was also an idealogical chameleon, well capable of taking on a liberal or libertarian type personality. He was also an insanely addicted poster, jumping on every thread around (which in fairness, I do also) and I find it hard to believe Goldi could ban him and he'd just stop. He was also quick to threaten "the filter" and he was also quick to call others childish or stupid or say things like "if you're not going to be serious, I don't have any time for you." Oddly similar to the tone you've taken. I could definitely see him showing up here, taking on a different persona, and engaging his addiction to posting. For my part, he'd be very welcome, so long as he understood that in this forum civility is more the norm than the exception, and tone and respect for each other (even those you can't stand) are SOP (we all make an exception for BeAChooser, because he's so often used El Pee as a place from which to insult christine, whom we all love without exception). I know that there are others who would toss Badeye out on his ass if they knew it was him. It would be completely unfair of me to assume that you are Badeye. And I do not. However, as I've said many times, paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership. If I'm being paranoid, you'd do better to forgive me so that we can reach an understanding than to just bozo me, which would only heighten my suspicion. Badeye was, if not quite my friend, at least someone whom I respected and felt I could share a beer with. Most folks here didn't feel that way about him, but I did. So you decide what you want to do.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I believe it was inferred - him and Islam. It was in one of the many reports I've read this past week. Look for it, I'm sure you can find it.
If there's anything to your claim, I'm sure you can present evidence. Cho's statements about Jesus Christ certainly seem to contradict any view that he was a Moslem.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
But where and what is the photo evidence? Did I miss something?
#51. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm.
#52. To: Lady X (#50)
#53. To: TheSilverFox (#52)
(Edited)
#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#51)
#55. To: TheSilverFox (#54)
#56. To: Dempsy (#18)
#57. To: Eoghan (#47)
#58. To: Paul Revere (#53)
Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians.
April 19, 2007 -- WMR has learned that a number of private military companies, some under Defense Department contracts in Iraq and elsewhere, are rife with a potpourri of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen, Aryan supremacists, pagan Norse and Teutonic god worshipers, Dungeons and Dragons aficionados, and Christian Dominionists. Right-wing groups, including veterans of Latin American, southern African, and Asian paramilitary forces, are being recruited by these firms. Particularly needed are individuals trained in the use of Glock 19s, AK-47s, M-16s, M-4s, rocket-propelled grenade launchers (RPGs), and shoulder-fired MANPADS (Man-portable air defense systems).
#59. To: TheSilverFox (#47)
Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind.
#60. To: Dempsy (#3)
People with overt mental illness
#61. To: Paul Revere, SKYDRIFTER (#53)
I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.
My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression.
#62. To: TheSilverFox (#61)
Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.
#63. To: aristeides (#58)
#64. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)
#65. To: Paul Revere, aristeides, kamala, leveller, Burkeman1, christine, robin, anyone else (#48)
bluedogtxn: "Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?"
#66. To: aristeides (#62)
Who said that?
#67. To: TheSilverFox (#66)
#68. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
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#69. To: aristeides (#67)
Yes, Cho's quoted statements about Jesus Christ in the MSM rags does seem to be contradicting, but even Muslims respect Jesus Christ MUCH more than the Jews who, in print, actually place Christ in burning hot excrement for all eternity. The Muslims regard Jesus Christ as a prophet. If and when I have time to dig, I just may. For now, see this post and if you have time now, you may start your own research. BTW, a common Chinese (or Asian) term for Islam is "the religion of the Hui". ;-)
#70. To: bluedogtxn (#65)
Amen.
Most folks here didn't feel that way about him
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
#71. To: TheSilverFox (#69)
This post? If you look a few posts up from that one, you'll see I posted the whole report from Wayne Madsen. As far as I can see, Madsen says not a thing about Cho possibly being a Moslem.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#72. To: aristeides (#71)
Expand you scope. Wayne Madsen is only one person. Google: "Cho Seung Hui+Islam"
#73. To: bluedogtxn, Paul Revere (#65)
Badeye's a jerk. This guy's posts are hateful in a way I never remember seeing in Badeye's. I am very suspicious of his real motives.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#74. To: TheSilverFox (#72)
Why should I waste any time on such a search until I see evidence that there might be some value to it? Connecting the VA Tech massacre with Moslems would very much suit the Bush administration and the neocons. That I know.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#75. To: aristeides (#74)
Look, if it suits the Bush Admin and NeoCons, you can guarantee that someone in the media made the suggestion to connect the tattoo to Islam. There's boo-koo shit on Google suggesting this.
#76. To: TheSilverFox (#75)
I can easily believe some idiots on the Web are suggesting this. I saw the thread on Free Republic yesterday. But do they have any evidence? Not to my knowledge. And you're not giving me any. Look, if there were evidence, don't you think the neocons would be blaring it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#77. To: bluedogtxn, Dempsy (#19)
Its the cult of right wing victimhood.
In this case, yes. The system of American higher "education" is a viper’s nest of leftist sperm, whose sole mission is to indoctrinate our youth.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#78. To: aristeides, ALL, everyone here (#76) (Edited)
Here's what I originally said, which you responded to, and I quote "Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim". I was not making the claim that he was or he wasn't. I was simply speaking of the tactics of disinformation currently being used by the MSM. They base this upon the connection between the tattooed ax and Islam - period. Doing this illustrates to seasoned and skillful observers who participate on discussion boards these things, and maybe more: (1.) this falls in line with the overall agenda, namely the 'war on terror' and it's justification for the purging in the Middle East; (2.) gun control legislation - the Democrats are now in the majority (House/Senate) - passing such legislation is Easy-Peasy-Japanesey; (3.) hate crimes legislation has been resubmitted to the House - vote pending - this silences opposition to the overall agenda: 'war on terror'; etc.
#79. To: bluedogtxn (#65)
As you wish. Good bye. I didn't read past your first paragraph, and won't.
#80. To: TheSilverFox (#78)
OK, I misunderstood you. Sorry. If you look at Glenn Greenwald's latest column, you'll see that Charles Krauthammer did in fact try to connect the massacre with Islamist terrorists on TV on Wednesday. With zero evidence. And he's had to back down in his latest column.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#81. To: aristeides (#73)
I'm putting you on bozo, too, aris-tedious. You've yet to write anything worth reading.
#82. To: Paul Revere (#81)
Delighted to hear it. Why don't you put all of us on Bozo?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#83. To: aristeides (#80)
Not a problem. I missed that column, but at least Krauthammer had enough self-respect to back down. Cheers.
#84. To: angle (#59) (Edited)
I know Tom - Kosovo ex UN security chief - when he quit he submitted his security files to the press and Serbian think tanks. I asked him to go on Freerepublic for me when I was banned. Ismael Ax could just as well be his video game handle. The name he used to play video games online, etc.
Credit to tgambill at LF:
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#85. To: Paul Revere (#79)
I didn't read past your first paragraph, and won't. Sayonara, Badeye.
As you wish. Good bye.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#86. To: aristeides (#58)
in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan." I disagree with Madsen on this. I believe Madsen is being fed a certain amount of disinformation concerning these "movements." I've never noticed anything of the sort from groups which might be called Christian Identity, or any of the so-called neo-Nazi or Aryan groups. Specifically, I am totally unfamiliar with any such jargon coming from any of the preachers or other groups I am aware of as being slimed with the Christian Identity label. CI is another canard used to disparage another sect of Christianity. Besides, I have a deep suspicion that many of the neo-Nazi (National Socialist) and Aryan groups have long ago been infiltrated and controlled by government agents, just as John Birch Society has been. I wish Madsen would cite a few examples of this and name a few groups.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#87. To: BTP Holdings (#86)
See my post above...
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#88. To: Eoghan (#39) (Edited)
88 revol dr revol - lover Page 11 of the pdf manifesto shows Number of the Anti-Terrorist 88 This is all one big set up. It smacks of what Michael A. Hoffman II says, Until the white race realizes that there is only one source from which we can ascertain lasting truths, there will never be peace or stability on this earth. In the immutable Laws of Nature are the keys to life, order, and understanding. The words of men, even those which some consider "inspired" are subject to the translations, vocabulary, additions, subtractions, and distortions of fallible mortals. Therefore, every writing or influence, ancient or modern, must be strained through the test of conformity to Natural Law. The White Peoples of the earth must collectively understand that they are equally subject to the iron-hard Laws of Nature with every other creature of the Universe, or they will not secure peace, safety, nor even their existence. The world is in flames because Races, Sub-races, Nations, and Cultures are being forced to violate their own Nature-ordained instincts for self-preservation. Many men of good will, but little understanding, are struggling against symptoms which are the result of disobedience to Natural Law. As is the Nature of Man, most take narrow, provincial stances predicated on views formed by immediate environment, current circumstances, and conditioned dogma. This is encouraged by that powerful and ruthless Tribe which has controlled the affairs of the world for untold centuries by exploiting Man's most base instincts. Conflict among and between the unenlightened serves as their mask and shield. A deeper understanding of the Fundamental Laws that govern the affairs of Men is necessary if we are to save civilization from its usurious executioners. The following are not intended to provide a detailed system of government, but as PRECEPTS which, when understood, will benefit and preserve a People as individuals and as a Nation.
The return address on the package sent to NBC was
But we reap what we sow and Cho served up those desserts in Virginia, though I do not in any way condone, excuse or mitigate the horrible crime committed in his slaughter of the innocent, quite patently orchestrated by the same dark forces that are overseeing the carnage in Iraq.
88 Precepts
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#89. To: All (#88)
More from Michael A. Hoffman II,
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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