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Title: Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark
Source: infowars.com via libertyforum.org
URL Source: http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla ... 5&o=21&vc=1&t=-1#Post295425740
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: Destro commenting on Alex Jone, Paul Jos
Post Date: 2007-04-19 11:20:01 by Destro
Keywords: None
Views: 1061
Comments: 97

Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark

If you go to Alex Jone's http://infowars.com website you will see the article entitled 'Was Virginia School Shooting Another Government Black-Op?' You will notice the question mark on the article - I guess they did not want to jump into conclusions so early in the shootings. But on his talk show Alex Jones does not even bother with the question mark. Right now he is still asserting that the Virginia Tech shooting was a Black-Ops. What's the proof? Proof? Who needs proof?

To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies. Or another theory Alex Jones hints at is that the govt. used professional shooters - he slyly hints at this because right as I am typing this up he is doubting how a lone shooter can shoot so many so quickly. Say what? It's very easy! These handguns are made to rapid fire - ease of trigger action is a selling point!

Maybe you all already know Alex jumped the shark a long time ago. He is a conspiracy monger after all. He makes his money on pushing conspiracies and the more conspiracies you push the more product you can push. So it makes sense that he would push what happened in Virginia as a conspiracy and assert the killer was a victim of CIA mind control.

Whatever sells his DVDs to the rubes.

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AND; what if he's correct? This isn't beyond the Bush Cabal; not by any means.

I certainly agree this is not beyond them, but a school shooting to temporarily divert attention from a congressional hearing that is going to take place anyway? And it not even being an election year?

I don't think the school shooting could bring up his poll numbers or provide anything other than a temporary distraction. An asset with as much time and psyops training it would require to brainwash this guy wouldn't be wasted in this manner for so little purpose, IMO.

Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AND; what if he's correct? .

I would expect an attack on all Federal officials and uniformed officers of the state by the armed citizens of the USA if this is proven.

Why have all those firearms - use them already. But you won't you guys know its BS.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is why I left the right wing. Even the anti-Bush right wing has become as dogmatic as the neocon loving right wing.

Left-wing and right-wing distinctions are ceasing to have much meaning to me. First, because they currently bear no resemblance philosophically to the actual poli-sci definitions of those terms, and secondly because people on what has been called the "left" and people on what has been called the "right" are being fed into whilst enabling the same statist, soul-destroying, leviathan.

That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional.

The first thing the gummint tends to do is to lie.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...

I keep an open mind on it. The events were certainly a horror, but the 'curious' details, the essential news blackout/distraction, the instant involvement of the feds and the spin-control bother me.

My concern goes to the potential for gun-control to be issued from the White House.

We'll see.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We'll see.

I agree. Meanwhile, keep in mind that paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you speak for me in this post.

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   11:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it is also and more of an information collecting point.

We agree! A major collection point - and usually quite rational. I suspect that a lot of people in locked rooms monitor sites, such as this.

{Right? Mr. NSA guy/gal? Is that correct? We depend on you monitoring this site; our National Security depends on it! Right?}

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies.

From declassified MKULTRA document:

“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.”

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   11:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

- Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards'

where did he say this? iirc, he said the opposite, "i'm not calling the victims cowards."

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While I somewhat agree with your sentiments just a tad ... is Alex Jones not entitled to his own opinions?

The Official 9/11 Story is a joke. Likewise, the Official Story of the VA Tech Massacre (like Columbine) will become a joke. While there may not be "evidence" (or proof) of a Black-Ops., the best thing we can do at this point is to breed skepticism. Doing so works ... look at hoe how many people are questioning the Holocaust. ;-)

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-19   12:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He mis-heard a statement by Alex and can't post a citation because he is so highly interested in destroying Alex's credibility he rushed this Mickey Mouse thread into existence.

I was listening too and I heard Alex say -- statement qualifying style -- that he was NOT calling the student cowards.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i would not make the security people on duty responsible, in their organizations everyone follows orders and has little of personal opinion to say.

what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From declassified MKULTRA document:

“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.”

I'm totally convinced that the program was continued. McVeigh was another classic, from all that I can tell. My guess is that the 'formula' involves such as LSD, sensory deprivation breakdown, hypnosis conditioning and very possibly an amphetamine 'conditioner.' All that starting with the Tavistock Institute studies.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this.

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.

When we Masons take over the world, I want to be the governor of the Pacific Northwest. Somehow I doubt that will ever happen seeing how I can hardly afford to keep paying my $75 per year dues. lol

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control.

These areas would mean every gun free zone in America, including our schools. I assume you agree citizens who attend an American university should be allowed to carry a weapon on campus if qualified?

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   12:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When we Masons take over the world

but you already have?

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   12:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this."

Exactly. It is obvious Destro seized on this because he has high desperation in his heart to destroy Alex and anyone else who exposes government manipulation to control the hearts and minds of the American people wrongly.

I have never ever heard Alex slander anyone irrationally. Alex knows that their are rhetorical shooters out there like Destro interested in keeping the public dumb and quiet. He would never hand them ammunition like Destro is contending that Alex gave him.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm totally convinced that the program was continued.

Over the next few days I'm going to browse more into those documents. I want to find the techniques, if I can, that were used to mess with those folks' minds.

I watched the killer's videos, and I did not get the impression he was talking to his victims.

There is also a questionable connection between MKULTRA and Blacksburg, VA being made by an alleged victim of the program.

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=110401;title=APFN

Google MKULTRA Blacksburg

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

plus the labeling of aj as right wing is absurd.

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but you already have?

I guess they cut me and all of the Masons I know out of the booty then.

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

agent provocateur

agent provocateur - yea as a govt agent I announce it to the world on libertyforum! (they actually hand out those tags based on volume of posts). On Freerepublic I was called an agent for Putin (before that Slobo) - which I would not mind if true. The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right."

Put away the surgical tools my little wannabe Dr Lector, we are not consumed by you, nor do we want to experience your lobotomy giving skills.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

... look at hoe many people are questioning the Holocaust. ;-)

"hoe" many people? Maybe too much Imus coverage last week?

But seriously, I agree. I am no Alex Jones fan, but I do see many holes in the official 911 story and there could be similar holes in the Virginia Massacre story as well. I see no harm is vigorously questioning a group of proven liars who stand to benefit from something like this - and of postulating alternate theories and testing them out.

What I do see as dangerous are attempts to slap down the questions before they get asked. Or attempts the silence the people who ask the questions before the questions get out on the table. This sort of prior restraint is the real danger.

If the guy asking the questions is a kook, let me decide. Don't let someone else decide for me and then try to protect me from hearing the question. Fox News and the AM Radio talking heads already do that for me.

.

...  posted on  2007-04-19   12:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional.

All govt is a conspiracy - the sad thing is we have no word in the English language to differentiate between logical conspiracies and wild eyed stuff involving almost fantastical assertions and connections.

Also, I find that these kind of fantastical conspiracy theories tend to ruin any investigations of real conspiracy theories.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.

No reason to fear the Masons. There's nothing worth talking about, anymore. It's a dying fraternity, steeped in big-dollar charity. They/we were powerful once, but never famous for much more than the American Independence War and the U.S. Constitution. Sure, there were a few stinkers, but that's a statistic of human nature. We spend a lot of time making sure the stinkers don't last.

Got any questions, see my book - http://www.p hoenixmasonry.org/enigma_of_freemasonry/text.htm

Any more questions; ask me - there are truly no secrets. (None that I've heard about, anyway.)

The worst of Freemasonry is that it's been permeated with "Politically Correct," and consequent survival problems. My stand on the 9-11 corruption is NOT popular among Masons; even with our principle tenets "Brotherly Love, Relief and TRUTH!" I keep preaching that 'truth' part, but the Masonic audience is limited, so far.

I'm told that Dr. Ray Griffin used a fair amount of my 'aviation' material in his new book, "Debunking the 9-11 Debunkers." Assuming that's true, I'm going to have a problem with the local Masons - until they actually read the book. So be it! Without "truth," the Craft is going to be in serious trouble, at the hands of the "Next-Generation Nazis," commonly referred to as the "New World Order," or more locally, the "Bush Cabal."

Griffin will be in Seattle for a presentation on the 18th of May; I should get a personal audience with him - and a free copy of his book, autographed, I presume. We'll see what happens amongst the local Lodges, after that.

If you're not familiar, see my 9-11 Website at - http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm

How bad can Masons really be? They were run out of the political circles of DC, for all intents & purposes.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   12:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"All govt is a conspiracy - the sad thing is we have no word in the English language to differentiate between logical conspiracies and wild eyed stuff involving almost fantastical assertions and connections."

Your first part of this sentence is as broad brush as the accusation you close it with

You also make no sense in talking of "logical conspiracies" as if you are going to offer something to contrast them with. You need something to differentiate them with. The vague nonsense you close with doesn't do the trick.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.johnhorgan.org/work10.htm

DISCOVER MAGAZINE COVER STORY, OCTOBER 2004

THE MYTH OF MIND CONTROL

Will anyone ever decode the human brain?

by John Horgan

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All govt is a conspiracy

Explain.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   12:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

where did he say this? iirc, he said the opposite, "i'm not calling the victims cowards."

On his talk show - yesterday and today.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Mind control -- from the Ross Institute, an organization that deals with cults

In light of all the cults and other groups who successfully kill the ability to think critically and independently and flourish as a result; you are not convincing here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He mis-heard a statement by Alex and can't post a citation

I mis-heard no such thing. He flat out said the victims were cowards and sheep.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All govt is a conspiracy Explain.

More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks for a long and very informative comment.

must be sad to watch centuries of investment of mind, labor, cash and lives all to turn into a learned elders charity providing kindness to strangers.

i will look up the links.

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   12:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for the correction "..."; typo's fixed.

" But seriously, I agree. I am no Alex Jones fan, but I do see many holes in the official 911 story and there could be similar holes in the Virginia Massacre story as well. I see no harm is in vigorously questioning a group of proven liars who stand to benefit from something like this - and of postulating alternate theories and testing them out.

What I do see as dangerous is attempts to slap down the questions before they get asked. Or attempts the silence the people who ask the questions before the questions get out on the table.

If the guy asking the questions is a kook, let me decide. Don't let someone else decide for me and then try to protect me from hearing the question. Fox News and the AM Radio talking heads already do that for me."

Likewise, I am no Alex Jones fan for probably more reason than you aren't. Many of us are sick and tired of the MSM spin, which is all we have gotten since we quit drinking the kool aid. Alex is no different, unfortunately. He's Mr. Spin as well, always eluding to everyone that the government is evil, degenerate, yadda yadda yadda .. fear-mongering. A lot of what he says may be true; however, in order to know requires much more research, as illustrated in this post. Taking his word on just about any topic, and I'm not saying that you are doing it (although many people do), will not make you more knowledgeable of the topic. However, it should cause one to research. Without the individual research, the venom from Alex Jones will paralyze people into doing nothing but buying his videos and promoting his site. I have a new perspective on Jones ... he's a physical war leaflet. The airways are the air force of the media.

Anyway, he can ask all the questions he wants. That I have no problem with, it's his tactics of "education" and "information" that is just as dangerous as "slapping down the questions before they get asked."

For the record, I have no affiliation(s) with Destro. Destro can play with his G.I.Joe dolls in his mother's rock garden. He's probably better at that than posting here anyway.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-19   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All govt is a conspiracy = More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.

So, five employees of a municipal department of traffic, assigned to fill a series of pot holes are engaged in conspiracy. (chuckle)

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   13:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All govt is a conspiracy = More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.

So, five employees of a municipal department of traffic, assigned to fill a series of pot holes are engaged in conspiracy. (chuckle)

That's not a plan, that's their job to fill pot holes. But if they leave pot holes unfilled or make pot holes in specific target areas, then that's a conspiracy. Get it now?

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-19   13:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That isn't how I define planning for a days work.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   13:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because planning a day's work and a conspiracy are different.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-19   13:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Quick Destro, save the world from Liberty Post, they are attacking these students as sheep unwilling to defend themselves.

Title: MISSING AT VIRGINIA TECH: A CULTURE OF SELF- DEFENSE

(http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=184444&Disp=49#C49)

9. To: blackhorse (#1)

American kids used to routinely take boxing lessons.

It was called, "The Manly Art of Self Defense."

Imagine that today. We are raising castratos.

Travis McGee posted on 2007-04-19 06:58:15 ET

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   13:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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