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Title: Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark
Source: infowars.com via libertyforum.org
URL Source: http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla ... 5&o=21&vc=1&t=-1#Post295425740
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: Destro commenting on Alex Jone, Paul Jos
Post Date: 2007-04-19 11:20:01 by Destro
Keywords: None
Views: 1090
Comments: 97

Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark

If you go to Alex Jone's http://infowars.com website you will see the article entitled 'Was Virginia School Shooting Another Government Black-Op?' You will notice the question mark on the article - I guess they did not want to jump into conclusions so early in the shootings. But on his talk show Alex Jones does not even bother with the question mark. Right now he is still asserting that the Virginia Tech shooting was a Black-Ops. What's the proof? Proof? Who needs proof?

To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies. Or another theory Alex Jones hints at is that the govt. used professional shooters - he slyly hints at this because right as I am typing this up he is doubting how a lone shooter can shoot so many so quickly. Say what? It's very easy! These handguns are made to rapid fire - ease of trigger action is a selling point!

Maybe you all already know Alex jumped the shark a long time ago. He is a conspiracy monger after all. He makes his money on pushing conspiracies and the more conspiracies you push the more product you can push. So it makes sense that he would push what happened in Virginia as a conspiracy and assert the killer was a victim of CIA mind control.

Whatever sells his DVDs to the rubes.

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Destro
(agent provocateur)

Okay!

So, how should we think?

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, how should we think?

How about rationally?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Like I posted earlier this morning:

But after Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, 9/11, being lied into a war, London tube bombings, and with Iran in the crosshairs...

EVERYONE should question every massacre, not just those who remember the 60s.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-19   11:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is not an article, but an editorial posed as one. The purpose here is to impeach Alex for doing his usual role of examining events in this country to see if other manifestations of government black ops have occurred.

It shows Destro's ax to grind merely because Alex has been effective at showing the true nature of the beast.

Bistro Destro is just posing an attack on Alex, not working to develop dialog examining whether or not this tragedy was or was not a covert op by the U.S. Government.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   11:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I almost forgot another reason Alex Jones jumped the shark - Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards' because they did not rush the shooter as he - superhero Alex Jones - would have.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

stro is just posing an attack on Alex, not working to develop dialog examining whether or not this tragedy was or was not a covert op by the U.S. Government.

Incorrect on y our part because ALex Jones did not question this - leaving open the possibility of it not being a black-ops - he asserted this IS one - flat out it is one. Jones is not speculating he is asserting.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think Alex Jones is going over the top with his paranoia on this one, but that's based more on my review of historical mass killers. This wasn't even the worse school killing in US history. In 1927 a guy blew up a school and killed even more kids as well as a number of adults (45 or 54 I think)...

On the other hand, when you live in a police state like the US, you shouldn't take anything for granted. Anti-Government paranoia is a good survival trait when you live in a decidership.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's good to know President Bush has a representative here.

Thanks for the official White House dogma.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-19   11:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex Jones is trying raise awareness. He wants Americans to resist having blind faith in their govt.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-19   11:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I almost forgot another reason Alex Jones jumped the shark - Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards' because they did not rush the shooter as he - superhero Alex Jones - would have."

Citation please. Alex has a point. I was trained to assault into the direction of an ambush.

If someone pulls a gun and points it at you, you should not ever go with them or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control.

If you are trapped in a room with a shooter, always always always always rush the bastard. In the panic of the moment one of course cannot fault those who were not trained to take the appropriate immediate action, and I highly doubt Alex did more then point out obvious tactical mistakes made in this tragedy.

Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   11:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's good to know President Bush has a representative here.

Thanks for the official White House dogma.

Nutso boogedy boogedy talk. I don't support Bush policy and saying this is not a black-ops is not toeing a govt line.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In 1927 a guy blew up a school and killed even more kids as well as a number of adults (45 or 54 I think)...

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-04-19   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's good to know President Bush has a representative here.

Thanks for the official White House dogma.

You think because Destro isn't on board with the idea that the VT shooting was a government sponsored black op that he's a shill for the White House?

My, what a lot of shades of gray in opinions you permit.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jones is not speculating he is asserting.

AND; what if he's correct? This isn't beyond the Bush Cabal; not by any means.

At this point, we don't know. It's well worth watching.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's the one, thanks.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you.

Defending a guy mocking the dead victims?

Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you.

Yea, because saying this killer- and I am listening on Jone's show as we speak - went through MK-Ultra mind bending - as Jones is saying right now - is sooooo rational.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is why I left the right wing. Even the anti-Bush right wing has become as dogmatic as the neocon loving right wing.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

agent provocateur

at a place like this the party of truthers can not possibly be bigger in numbers than the party of participating agents spinning conversations into needed direction and silent observers making notes. calling 4um an information dispenser is incomplete, it is also and more of an information collecting point.

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   11:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AND; what if he's correct? This isn't beyond the Bush Cabal; not by any means.

I certainly agree this is not beyond them, but a school shooting to temporarily divert attention from a congressional hearing that is going to take place anyway? And it not even being an election year?

I don't think the school shooting could bring up his poll numbers or provide anything other than a temporary distraction. An asset with as much time and psyops training it would require to brainwash this guy wouldn't be wasted in this manner for so little purpose, IMO.

Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AND; what if he's correct? .

I would expect an attack on all Federal officials and uniformed officers of the state by the armed citizens of the USA if this is proven.

Why have all those firearms - use them already. But you won't you guys know its BS.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   11:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is why I left the right wing. Even the anti-Bush right wing has become as dogmatic as the neocon loving right wing.

Left-wing and right-wing distinctions are ceasing to have much meaning to me. First, because they currently bear no resemblance philosophically to the actual poli-sci definitions of those terms, and secondly because people on what has been called the "left" and people on what has been called the "right" are being fed into whilst enabling the same statist, soul-destroying, leviathan.

That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional.

The first thing the gummint tends to do is to lie.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...

I keep an open mind on it. The events were certainly a horror, but the 'curious' details, the essential news blackout/distraction, the instant involvement of the feds and the spin-control bother me.

My concern goes to the potential for gun-control to be issued from the White House.

We'll see.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We'll see.

I agree. Meanwhile, keep in mind that paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you speak for me in this post.

Free Speech on Freedom4um

christine  posted on  2007-04-19   11:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it is also and more of an information collecting point.

We agree! A major collection point - and usually quite rational. I suspect that a lot of people in locked rooms monitor sites, such as this.

{Right? Mr. NSA guy/gal? Is that correct? We depend on you monitoring this site; our National Security depends on it! Right?}

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   11:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies.

From declassified MKULTRA document:

“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.”

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   11:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

- Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards'

where did he say this? iirc, he said the opposite, "i'm not calling the victims cowards."

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While I somewhat agree with your sentiments just a tad ... is Alex Jones not entitled to his own opinions?

The Official 9/11 Story is a joke. Likewise, the Official Story of the VA Tech Massacre (like Columbine) will become a joke. While there may not be "evidence" (or proof) of a Black-Ops., the best thing we can do at this point is to breed skepticism. Doing so works ... look at hoe how many people are questioning the Holocaust. ;-)

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-19   12:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He mis-heard a statement by Alex and can't post a citation because he is so highly interested in destroying Alex's credibility he rushed this Mickey Mouse thread into existence.

I was listening too and I heard Alex say -- statement qualifying style -- that he was NOT calling the student cowards.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i would not make the security people on duty responsible, in their organizations everyone follows orders and has little of personal opinion to say.

what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From declassified MKULTRA document:

“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.”

I'm totally convinced that the program was continued. McVeigh was another classic, from all that I can tell. My guess is that the 'formula' involves such as LSD, sensory deprivation breakdown, hypnosis conditioning and very possibly an amphetamine 'conditioner.' All that starting with the Tavistock Institute studies.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this.

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christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.

When we Masons take over the world, I want to be the governor of the Pacific Northwest. Somehow I doubt that will ever happen seeing how I can hardly afford to keep paying my $75 per year dues. lol

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control.

These areas would mean every gun free zone in America, including our schools. I assume you agree citizens who attend an American university should be allowed to carry a weapon on campus if qualified?

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   12:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When we Masons take over the world

but you already have?

_ru  posted on  2007-04-19   12:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this."

Exactly. It is obvious Destro seized on this because he has high desperation in his heart to destroy Alex and anyone else who exposes government manipulation to control the hearts and minds of the American people wrongly.

I have never ever heard Alex slander anyone irrationally. Alex knows that their are rhetorical shooters out there like Destro interested in keeping the public dumb and quiet. He would never hand them ammunition like Destro is contending that Alex gave him.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm totally convinced that the program was continued.

Over the next few days I'm going to browse more into those documents. I want to find the techniques, if I can, that were used to mess with those folks' minds.

I watched the killer's videos, and I did not get the impression he was talking to his victims.

There is also a questionable connection between MKULTRA and Blacksburg, VA being made by an alleged victim of the program.

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=110401;title=APFN

Google MKULTRA Blacksburg

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

plus the labeling of aj as right wing is absurd.

Free Speech on Freedom4um

christine  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but you already have?

I guess they cut me and all of the Masons I know out of the booty then.

Critter  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

agent provocateur

agent provocateur - yea as a govt agent I announce it to the world on libertyforum! (they actually hand out those tags based on volume of posts). On Freerepublic I was called an agent for Putin (before that Slobo) - which I would not mind if true. The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-19   12:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right."

Put away the surgical tools my little wannabe Dr Lector, we are not consumed by you, nor do we want to experience your lobotomy giving skills.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-04-19   12:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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