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Title: Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark
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infowars.com via libertyforum.org
URL Source: http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla ... 5&o=21&vc=1&t=-1#Post295425740
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: Destro commenting on Alex Jone, Paul Jos
Post Date: 2007-04-19 11:20:01 by Destro
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Views: 1018
Comments: 97
Virginia Tech Shootings - Alex Jones has Jumped the Shark If you go to Alex Jone's http://infowars.com website you will see the article entitled 'Was Virginia School Shooting Another Government Black-Op?' You will notice the question mark on the article - I guess they did not want to jump into conclusions so early in the shootings. But on his talk show Alex Jones does not even bother with the question mark. Right now he is still asserting that the Virginia Tech shooting was a Black-Ops. What's the proof? Proof? Who needs proof? To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies. Or another theory Alex Jones hints at is that the govt. used professional shooters - he slyly hints at this because right as I am typing this up he is doubting how a lone shooter can shoot so many so quickly. Say what? It's very easy! These handguns are made to rapid fire - ease of trigger action is a selling point! Maybe you all already know Alex jumped the shark a long time ago. He is a conspiracy monger after all. He makes his money on pushing conspiracies and the more conspiracies you push the more product you can push. So it makes sense that he would push what happened in Virginia as a conspiracy and assert the killer was a victim of CIA mind control. Whatever sells his DVDs to the rubes.
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#1. To: Destro, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#0)
Okay! So, how should we think?
How about rationally?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Like I posted earlier this morning: But after Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, 9/11, being lied into a war, London tube bombings, and with Iran in the crosshairs... EVERYONE should question every massacre, not just those who remember the 60s.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
This is not an article, but an editorial posed as one. The purpose here is to impeach Alex for doing his usual role of examining events in this country to see if other manifestations of government black ops have occurred. It shows Destro's ax to grind merely because Alex has been effective at showing the true nature of the beast. Bistro Destro is just posing an attack on Alex, not working to develop dialog examining whether or not this tragedy was or was not a covert op by the U.S. Government.
I almost forgot another reason Alex Jones jumped the shark - Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards' because they did not rush the shooter as he - superhero Alex Jones - would have.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Incorrect on y our part because ALex Jones did not question this - leaving open the possibility of it not being a black-ops - he asserted this IS one - flat out it is one. Jones is not speculating he is asserting.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I think Alex Jones is going over the top with his paranoia on this one, but that's based more on my review of historical mass killers. This wasn't even the worse school killing in US history. In 1927 a guy blew up a school and killed even more kids as well as a number of adults (45 or 54 I think)... On the other hand, when you live in a police state like the US, you shouldn't take anything for granted. Anti-Government paranoia is a good survival trait when you live in a decidership.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
It's good to know President Bush has a representative here. Thanks for the official White House dogma.
Alex Jones is trying raise awareness. He wants Americans to resist having blind faith in their govt.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Citation please. Alex has a point. I was trained to assault into the direction of an ambush. If someone pulls a gun and points it at you, you should not ever go with them or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control. If you are trapped in a room with a shooter, always always always always rush the bastard. In the panic of the moment one of course cannot fault those who were not trained to take the appropriate immediate action, and I highly doubt Alex did more then point out obvious tactical mistakes made in this tragedy. Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you.
Thanks for the official White House dogma. Nutso boogedy boogedy talk. I don't support Bush policy and saying this is not a black-ops is not toeing a govt line.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack. On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Thanks for the official White House dogma. You think because Destro isn't on board with the idea that the VT shooting was a government sponsored black op that he's a shill for the White House? My, what a lot of shades of gray in opinions you permit.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
AND; what if he's correct? This isn't beyond the Bush Cabal; not by any means. At this point, we don't know. It's well worth watching.
That's the one, thanks.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Defending a guy mocking the dead victims? Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you. Yea, because saying this killer- and I am listening on Jone's show as we speak - went through MK-Ultra mind bending - as Jones is saying right now - is sooooo rational.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
This is why I left the right wing. Even the anti-Bush right wing has become as dogmatic as the neocon loving right wing.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
at a place like this the party of truthers can not possibly be bigger in numbers than the party of participating agents spinning conversations into needed direction and silent observers making notes. calling 4um an information dispenser is incomplete, it is also and more of an information collecting point.
I certainly agree this is not beyond them, but a school shooting to temporarily divert attention from a congressional hearing that is going to take place anyway? And it not even being an election year? I don't think the school shooting could bring up his poll numbers or provide anything other than a temporary distraction. An asset with as much time and psyops training it would require to brainwash this guy wouldn't be wasted in this manner for so little purpose, IMO. Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I would expect an attack on all Federal officials and uniformed officers of the state by the armed citizens of the USA if this is proven. Why have all those firearms - use them already. But you won't you guys know its BS.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Left-wing and right-wing distinctions are ceasing to have much meaning to me. First, because they currently bear no resemblance philosophically to the actual poli-sci definitions of those terms, and secondly because people on what has been called the "left" and people on what has been called the "right" are being fed into whilst enabling the same statist, soul-destroying, leviathan. That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional. The first thing the gummint tends to do is to lie.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I keep an open mind on it. The events were certainly a horror, but the 'curious' details, the essential news blackout/distraction, the instant involvement of the feds and the spin-control bother me. My concern goes to the potential for gun-control to be issued from the White House. We'll see.
I agree. Meanwhile, keep in mind that paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
you speak for me in this post.
We agree! A major collection point - and usually quite rational. I suspect that a lot of people in locked rooms monitor sites, such as this. {Right? Mr. NSA guy/gal? Is that correct? We depend on you monitoring this site; our National Security depends on it! Right?}
From declassified MKULTRA document:
(agent provocateur)
#2. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala (#1)
So, how should we think?
#3. To: SKYDRIFTER (#1)
#4. To: Destro, Christine (#0)
#5. To: All (#2)
#6. To: Ferret Mike, Christine (#4)
stro is just posing an attack on Alex, not working to develop dialog examining whether or not this tragedy was or was not a covert op by the U.S. Government.
#7. To: Destro (#0)
#8. To: Destro (#0)
#9. To: bluedogtxn (#7)
#10. To: Destro (#5)
"I almost forgot another reason Alex Jones jumped the shark - Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards' because they did not rush the shooter as he - superhero Alex Jones - would have."
#11. To: Paul Revere (#8)
It's good to know President Bush has a representative here.
#12. To: bluedogtxn (#7)
In 1927 a guy blew up a school and killed even more kids as well as a number of adults (45 or 54 I think)...
#13. To: Paul Revere (#8)
It's good to know President Bush has a representative here.
#14. To: Destro, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#6)
Jones is not speculating he is asserting.
#15. To: Brian S (#12)
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Again I point at you and say you are the one trying to use emotion over rational thought, not Alex Jones. Shame on you.
#17. To: bluedogtxn (#13)
#18. To: SKYDRIFTER, All (#1)
agent provocateur
#19. To: SKYDRIFTER (#14)
AND; what if he's correct? This isn't beyond the Bush Cabal; not by any means.
#20. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, bluedogtxn (#14)
AND; what if he's correct? .
#21. To: Destro (#17)
This is why I left the right wing. Even the anti-Bush right wing has become as dogmatic as the neocon loving right wing.
#22. To: bluedogtxn (#19)
Not saying they aren't capable of it, due to both immorality and actual black ops skill, I just don't see a motive here, unless it was just some kind of a program test...
#23. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)
We'll see.
#24. To: bluedogtxn (#21)
#25. To: _ru (#18)
it is also and more of an information collecting point.
#26. To: Destro, Christine, Robin, Skydrifter, Ferret Mike, bluedogtxn, Paul Revere, _ru (#0)
(Edited)
To accept that the above was a black-op is to accept that the govt. can produce suicidal mass killers who kill on command and were brain washed like in the movies.
“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.”
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#27. To: Destro (#5)
where did he say this? iirc, he said the opposite, "i'm not calling the victims cowards."
- Jones called the victims of the shooting 'cowards'
#28. To: Destro (#0) (Edited)
While I somewhat agree with your sentiments just a tad ... is Alex Jones not entitled to his own opinions? The Official 9/11 Story is a joke. Likewise, the Official Story of the VA Tech Massacre (like Columbine) will become a joke. While there may not be "evidence" (or proof) of a Black-Ops., the best thing we can do at this point is to breed skepticism. Doing so works ... look at hoe how many people are questioning the Holocaust. ;-)
Edited: fixed typo
#29. To: christine (#27)
He mis-heard a statement by Alex and can't post a citation because he is so highly interested in destroying Alex's credibility he rushed this Mickey Mouse thread into existence. I was listening too and I heard Alex say -- statement qualifying style -- that he was NOT calling the student cowards.
#30. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, All (#25)
i would not make the security people on duty responsible, in their organizations everyone follows orders and has little of personal opinion to say. what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.
#31. To: Critter (#26)
“Miss [whited out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [whited out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.” I'm totally convinced that the program was continued. McVeigh was another classic, from all that I can tell. My guess is that the 'formula' involves such as LSD, sensory deprivation breakdown, hypnosis conditioning and very possibly an amphetamine 'conditioner.' All that starting with the Tavistock Institute studies. From declassified MKULTRA document:
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this.
#33. To: _ru (#30)
When we Masons take over the world, I want to be the governor of the Pacific Northwest. Somehow I doubt that will ever happen seeing how I can hardly afford to keep paying my $75 per year dues. lol
what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
These areas would mean every gun free zone in America, including our schools. I assume you agree citizens who attend an American university should be allowed to carry a weapon on campus if qualified?
or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control.
#35. To: Critter (#33)
but you already have?
When we Masons take over the world
#36. To: christine (#32) (Edited)
Exactly. It is obvious Destro seized on this because he has high desperation in his heart to destroy Alex and anyone else who exposes government manipulation to control the hearts and minds of the American people wrongly. I have never ever heard Alex slander anyone irrationally. Alex knows that their are rhetorical shooters out there like Destro interested in keeping the public dumb and quiet. He would never hand them ammunition like Destro is contending that Alex gave him.
"yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this."
#37. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)
Over the next few days I'm going to browse more into those documents. I want to find the techniques, if I can, that were used to mess with those folks' minds. I watched the killer's videos, and I did not get the impression he was talking to his victims. There is also a questionable connection between MKULTRA and Blacksburg, VA being made by an alleged victim of the program. http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=110401;title=APFN I'm totally convinced that the program was continued.
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
plus the labeling of aj as right wing is absurd.
#39. To: _ru (#35)
I guess they cut me and all of the Masons I know out of the booty then.
but you already have?
A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!
#40. To: _ru, SKYDRIFTER (#18)
agent provocateur - yea as a govt agent I announce it to the world on libertyforum! (they actually hand out those tags based on volume of posts). On Freerepublic I was called an agent for Putin (before that Slobo) - which I would not mind if true. The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right.
agent provocateur
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#41. To: Destro (#40)
Put away the surgical tools my little wannabe Dr Lector, we are not consumed by you, nor do we want to experience your lobotomy giving skills.
"The paranoid mindset is a wonder to behold be they on the left or right."
#42. To: TheSilverFox (#28) (Edited)
"hoe" many people? Maybe too much Imus coverage last week? But seriously, I agree. I am no Alex Jones fan, but I do see many holes in the official 911 story and there could be similar holes in the Virginia Massacre story as well. I see no harm is vigorously questioning a group of proven liars who stand to benefit from something like this - and of postulating alternate theories and testing them out. What I do see as dangerous are attempts to slap down the questions before they get asked. Or attempts the silence the people who ask the questions before the questions get out on the table. This sort of prior restraint is the real danger. If the guy asking the questions is a kook, let me decide. Don't let someone else decide for me and then try to protect me from hearing the question. Fox News and the AM Radio talking heads already do that for me.
... look at hoe many people are questioning the Holocaust. ;-)
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#43. To: bluedogtxn (#21)
All govt is a conspiracy - the sad thing is we have no word in the English language to differentiate between logical conspiracies and wild eyed stuff involving almost fantastical assertions and connections. Also, I find that these kind of fantastical conspiracy theories tend to ruin any investigations of real conspiracy theories.
That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#44. To: _ru (#30)
No reason to fear the Masons. There's nothing worth talking about, anymore. It's a dying fraternity, steeped in big-dollar charity. They/we were powerful once, but never famous for much more than the American Independence War and the U.S. Constitution. Sure, there were a few stinkers, but that's a statistic of human nature. We spend a lot of time making sure the stinkers don't last. Got any questions, see my book - http://www.p hoenixmasonry.org/enigma_of_freemasonry/text.htm Any more questions; ask me - there are truly no secrets. (None that I've heard about, anyway.) The worst of Freemasonry is that it's been permeated with "Politically Correct," and consequent survival problems. My stand on the 9-11 corruption is NOT popular among Masons; even with our principle tenets "Brotherly Love, Relief and TRUTH!" I keep preaching that 'truth' part, but the Masonic audience is limited, so far. I'm told that Dr. Ray Griffin used a fair amount of my 'aviation' material in his new book, "Debunking the 9-11 Debunkers." Assuming that's true, I'm going to have a problem with the local Masons - until they actually read the book. So be it! Without "truth," the Craft is going to be in serious trouble, at the hands of the "Next-Generation Nazis," commonly referred to as the "New World Order," or more locally, the "Bush Cabal." Griffin will be in Seattle for a presentation on the 18th of May; I should get a personal audience with him - and a free copy of his book, autographed, I presume. We'll see what happens amongst the local Lodges, after that. If you're not familiar, see my 9-11 Website at - http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm How bad can Masons really be? They were run out of the political circles of DC, for all intents & purposes. what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome.
#45. To: Destro (#43) (Edited)
Your first part of this sentence is as broad brush as the accusation you close it with You also make no sense in talking of "logical conspiracies" as if you are going to offer something to contrast them with. You need something to differentiate them with. The vague nonsense you close with doesn't do the trick.
"All govt is a conspiracy - the sad thing is we have no word in the English language to differentiate between logical conspiracies and wild eyed stuff involving almost fantastical assertions and connections."
#46. To: Critter, Christine, Robin, Skydrifter, Ferret Mike, bluedogtxn, Paul Revere, _ru (#26)
http://www.johnhorgan.org/work10.htm DISCOVER MAGAZINE COVER STORY, OCTOBER 2004 THE MYTH OF MIND CONTROL Will anyone ever decode the human brain? by John Horgan
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#47. To: Destro (#43)
Explain.
All govt is a conspiracy
#48. To: christine (#27)
On his talk show - yesterday and today.
where did he say this? iirc, he said the opposite, "i'm not calling the victims cowards."
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#49. To: Destro (#46) (Edited)
In light of all the cults and other groups who successfully kill the ability to think critically and independently and flourish as a result; you are not convincing here.
Mind control -- from the Ross Institute, an organization that deals with cults
#50. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#29)
I mis-heard no such thing. He flat out said the victims were cowards and sheep.
He mis-heard a statement by Alex and can't post a citation
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#51. To: Dempsy (#47) (Edited)
More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.
All govt is a conspiracy Explain.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#52. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)
thanks for a long and very informative comment. must be sad to watch centuries of investment of mind, labor, cash and lives all to turn into a learned elders charity providing kindness to strangers. i will look up the links.
#53. To: ..., All (#42) (Edited)
Thanks for the correction "..."; typo's fixed. " But seriously, I agree. I am no Alex Jones fan, but I do see many holes in the official 911 story and there could be similar holes in the Virginia Massacre story as well. I see no harm What I do see as dangerous is attempts to slap down the questions before they get asked. Or attempts the silence the people who ask the questions before the questions get out on the table. If the guy asking the questions is a kook, let me decide. Don't let someone else decide for me and then try to protect me from hearing the question. Fox News and the AM Radio talking heads already do that for me." Likewise, I am no Alex Jones fan for probably more reason than you aren't. Many of us are sick and tired of the MSM spin, which is all we have gotten since we quit drinking the kool aid. Alex is no different, unfortunately. He's Mr. Spin as well, always eluding to everyone that the government is evil, degenerate, yadda yadda yadda .. fear-mongering. A lot of what he says may be true; however, in order to know requires much more research, as illustrated in this post. Taking his word on just about any topic, and I'm not saying that you are doing it (although many people do), will not make you more knowledgeable of the topic. However, it should cause one to research. Without the individual research, the venom from Alex Jones will paralyze people into doing nothing but buying his videos and promoting his site. I have a new perspective on Jones ... he's a physical war leaflet. The airways are the air force of the media. Anyway, he can ask all the questions he wants. That I have no problem with, it's his tactics of "education" and "information" that is just as dangerous as "slapping down the questions before they get asked." For the record, I have no affiliation(s) with Destro. Destro can play with his G.I.Joe dolls in his mother's rock garden. He's probably better at that than posting here anyway.
is in vigorously questioning a group of proven liars who stand to benefit from something like this - and of postulating alternate theories and testing them out.
#54. To: Destro (#51)
So, five employees of a municipal department of traffic, assigned to fill a series of pot holes are engaged in conspiracy. (chuckle)
All govt is a conspiracy = More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.
#55. To: Dempsy (#54)
So, five employees of a municipal department of traffic, assigned to fill a series of pot holes are engaged in conspiracy. (chuckle) That's not a plan, that's their job to fill pot holes. But if they leave pot holes unfilled or make pot holes in specific target areas, then that's a conspiracy. Get it now?
All govt is a conspiracy = More than one person coming together to carry out a plan.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
#56. To: robin (#55)
That isn't how I define planning for a days work.
#57. To: Dempsy (#56)
That's because planning a day's work and a conspiracy are different.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
#58. To: Destro (#51)
Quick Destro, save the world from Liberty Post, they are attacking these students as sheep unwilling to defend themselves. Title: MISSING AT VIRGINIA TECH: A CULTURE OF SELF- DEFENSE (http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=184444&Disp=49#C49) American kids used to routinely take boxing lessons. It was called, "The Manly Art of Self Defense." Imagine that today. We are raising castratos. Travis McGee posted on 2007-04-19 06:58:15 ET 9. To: blackhorse (#1)
#59. To: robin (#57)
I get it now. The plan is for ALL government to be a conspiracy. ALL meaning any aspect of anything related to or about government.
#60. To: _ru (#52)
One of the problems in the Craft right now, is a bizarre fetish for NOT helping the members and their families, versus going after non-productive PR. The Lodges are really getting empty. In the early days, the opposite was true, so becoming a Mason was related to getting an inside track. I keep preaching that the self-help concept needs to be restored. So far, the NWO conditioning is winning out, over tradtiional Masonry. The "Learned Elders" have been dumbed down to an extreme - thus, my book. I scanned 120 volumes of the oldest Masonic material into text files, but the "Learned Elders" (over a large number of various Masonic organizations) keep saying that no one needs to know that stuff. (WHAT???) Sad! Thankfully, http://Phoenixmasonry.org disagrees. must be sad to watch centuries of investment of mind, labor, cash and lives all to turn into a learned elders charity providing kindness to strangers.
#61. To: SKYDRIFTER (#60)
well, there are enough remarks at the 4um every now and then like "why don't you find a brother in that country for help", so many younger ones are still using fruits of labor of the previous generations.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
If you are trapped in a room with a shooter, always always always always rush the bastard. In the panic of the moment one of course cannot fault those who were not trained to take the appropriate immediate action, and I highly doubt Alex did more then point out obvious tactical mistakes made in this tragedy. You are so money. Absolutely right.
If someone pulls a gun and points it at you, you should not ever go with them or follow their directions to be taken to an area where they have full control.
#63. To: bluedogtxn (#13)
No, and that's not what I said. I've read his posts enough to know he likes to say outrageous things and start inflammatory threads. And he's certainly shilling for them on this topic. I've not said it was government black ops. I've said I don't foreclose the possibility.
You think because Destro isn't on board with the idea that the VT shooting was a government sponsored black op that he's a shill for the White House?
#64. To: Paul Revere (#63)
LOL! Pot, meet kettle.
I've read his posts enough to know he likes to say outrageous things and start inflammatory threads.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#65. To: bluedogtxn (#21)
That said, dismissing all conspiracy theorists out of hand is premature, IMO. JFK, after all, warn't killed by no lone gunman. And if you think he was, you're the one who is delusional. On this much we agree: Freedom lovers are beset by forces on the left and right which control the two major parties. Those forces are neither liberal nor conservative as those terms have meant between 1975 and 2000. They are doctrinaire. They are dogmatics, who preach one form of fascism or the other. We also agree it's too early to tell on this event, but JFK was definitely not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, who was a patsy.
Left-wing and right-wing distinctions are ceasing to have much meaning to me. First, because they currently bear no resemblance philosophically to the actual poli-sci definitions of those terms, and secondly because people on what has been called the "left" and people on what has been called the "right" are being fed into whilst enabling the same statist, soul-destroying, leviathan.
#66. To: _ru (#30)
What are you talking about?
what really surprises me a lot around here is the number of 4umers openly discussing their brotherhood degrees, and still receiving warm welcome
#67. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)
You and I agree on a lot more than we disagree on. I believe Democratic Underground is funded partially by Tavistock Institute, and Skinner is tied to Tavistock Institute.
I'm totally convinced that the program was continued. McVeigh was another classic, from all that I can tell. My guess is that the 'formula' involves such as LSD, sensory deprivation breakdown, hypnosis conditioning and very possibly an amphetamine 'conditioner.' All that starting with the Tavistock Institute studies.
#68. To: christine (#32)
Alex Jones said exactly what all the "experts" on TV news are saying now. They always say charge the shooter and throw things at him. When you know you're dealing with an executioner, you have to gut it up and charge them. The shooter might have killed ten that way, but he would have been stopped.
To: Ferret Mike yep..and i got the impression that his intent was to inform people what to do and not do if they find themselves in a situation like this
#69. To: Paul Revere (#65)
Well, LHO might have nicked him or hit the windshield. Can't rule that out, but he wasn't in position to cause either the neck wound or the head shot, either one of which would have been fatal.
We also agree it's too early to tell on this event, but JFK was definitely not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, who was a patsy.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
#70. To: Paul Revere (#67)
I haven't explored the issue, in a while. I've written a lot on the subject of psyops/mind control, but that's a huge field. The latest that I've seen is a book by Zimbardo - "The Lucifer Effect," identifying the extremes of the repressed primal behavior, once triggered. The Tavistock is a major international operation, by itself; another octopus. I believe Democratic Underground is funded partially by Tavistock Institute, and Skinner is tied to Tavistock Institute.
#71. To: Dempsy, robin (#54) (Edited)
That's correct, Chuckles. Conspire: To join or act together; combine: “Semisweet chocolate, cocoa powder, espresso, Cognac, and vanilla all conspire to intensify [the cake's] flavor” (Sally Schneider, Food and Wine February 1991). So, five employees of a municipal department of traffic, assigned to fill a series of pot holes are engaged in conspiracy. (chuckle
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
I was banned from Libertypost for pointing out the role of Jews in the mass killings in the USSR. Go pray to your fat goddess for some wisdom.
Quick Destro, save the world from Liberty Post, they are attacking these students as sheep unwilling to defend themselves.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#73. To: Destro (#46)
THE MYTH OF MIND CONTROL Now I am literally laughing out loud! I can't believe you think posting some article title from Discover Magazine is proving anything. You are good for a few laughs, Destro.
DISCOVER MAGAZINE COVER STORY, OCTOBER 2004
#74. To: Paul Revere (#73) (Edited)
What's wrong with Discover magazine? By the way, that was more proof than Alex Jones provided for his assertions. More proof than you guys provided to link the VT killer to some sort of MK Ultra program - especially since he was not institutionalized and spent very little time in the rubber room. So when did all these sessions of programming take place?
I can't believe you think posting some article title from Discover Magazine is proving anything.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#75. To: christine (#38)
Alex Jones is a real live libertine, and we are all in his debt for what he does. I have to admit for years I thought he was just being paranoid, but damned if his warnings haven't come true. In the past 3-4 years, I've gone from "WTF Alex!" to "OMG, you're right!"
plus the labeling of aj as right wing is absurd.
#76. To: Destro (#46)
Will anyone ever decode the human brain? by John Horgan He's a journalist trained in English. He's also co-author with Reverend Frank Geer of "Where Was God on September 11?" Yeah, he's a scientist. NOT.
THE MYTH OF MIND CONTROL
#77. To: robin (#3)
EVERYONE should question every massacre, not just those who remember the 60s. BINGO Robin. TheStateInc has earned for themselves through past deceipt and subterfuge the distinction of something never to be believed without question. To do so is at one's own peril.
But after Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, 9/11, being lied into a war, London tube bombings, and with Iran in the crosshairs...
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#78. To: Destro (#74)
I guess this declassified MKULTRA document is a myth too? http://www.blackvault.com/documents/mkultra/MKULTRA2/DOC_0000190691/0000190691_0001.TIF
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#79. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#41) (Edited)
The best place for trolls like the poster of this thread is on BOZO. And that is where he will stay. I'm glad everyone still destroys his foolishness with logic and rational debate for the benefit of the lurkers. BS like his can not stand without being disected and torn apart thoroughly :)
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In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#80. To: Paul Revere (#63)
So Freedom4um has gotten to the point that if you scoff at the notion that the VT killer was anything but a deranged killer - not mind controlled by the CIA it is an inflammatory statement?
I've read his posts enough to know he likes to say outrageous things and start inflammatory threads
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#81. To: Paul Revere (#76)
Nor is Alex Jones - what degree does he hold? Is he one of those pundits as experts? Or does that tag only apply to pretend experts like Rush and Hannity who are equally (un)qualified?
Yeah, he's a scientist. NOT.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#82. To: Critter (#78)
The myth is you trying to link MLUltra to the VT killer.
I guess this declassified MKULTRA document is a myth too?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#83. To: Paul Revere (#73)
I agree with you. not only that police investigations in Florida & California have documented that the CIA does have mind-control programs. and documents released by government have also shown this to be true. our government has done many diabolically evil things. Example - Waco, Ruby Ridge, New Orleans, sept 11, OKC Bombing - just examples.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
#84. To: Destro (#82)
That's not what your post said. You post said mind control is a myth. But what makes you think MKUltra is not linked to the VT killer?
The myth is you trying to link MLUltra to the VT killer.
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#85. To: christine (#38)
Christine, Here is a link to the youtube with 5-6 minutes of Alex Jones on the topic of the VT shootings.
#86. To: Destro (#80) (Edited)
No. I do enjoy your childish attempts to re-characterize what I've said, however. I scoff at you because your transparent attempts at recharacterizing what others say remind me of how little kids lie.
So Freedom4um has gotten to the point that if you scoff at the notion that the VT killer was anything but a deranged killer - not mind controlled by the CIA it is an inflammatory statement?
#87. To: Destro (#81) (Edited)
Yeah, he's a scientist. NOT. Nor is Alex Jones - what degree does he hold? Is he one of those pundits as experts? Or does that tag only apply to pretend experts like Rush and Hannity who are equally (un)qualified? Again, you're arguing like a child. You make the statement that mind control doesn't exist, and cite some doofus who knows about as much as you do, in an article in Discover magazine. I point out he's a journalist, who graduated in English, and his last book was written with a Reverend "Where Was God on 9-11?" Instead of acknowledging you used a dumbass article written by a dumbass picked by you because you're a dumbass, you chose to try the "oh, yeah, well Alex Jones sucks!"
To: Paul Revere
#88. To: Red Jones (#83)
Agreed. When Clinton came into office, they immediately pulled the raid in Waco, the real point of which was to propel the ATF into the SWAT team world, and to frighten Americans about "home grown terrorists." They play the home grown terrorist card a while, then switch to the Muslim terrorist card. The perpetrators of these evils are not bound by any moral compunctions. Killing 50 or 5000 is no concern to them because killing is just one more way they use to control our government and us.
our government has done many diabolically evil things. Example - Waco, Ruby Ridge, New Orleans, sept 11, OKC Bombing - just examples.
#89. To: Paul Revere (#88)
Waco served many StateInc goals, including 1/ to test the responsiveness of the sheople [we failed] and 2/ to serve as a warning to others who would dare seek independence from TheStateInc.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#90. To: Paul Revere (#85)
loved his comments about the cops on the scene
#91. To: christine (#90)
It really makes you wonder when the cops seem incapable or unwilling to take the prudent protective action. Two dead and they don't have police everywhere?! I think his point about the kids is that they are not taught to fight back, and have been shaped into the herd mentality more than our generation is accustomed to accepting.
loved his comments about the cops on the scene
#92. To: Destro (#81)
On a July 5, 2001 television broadcast, Alex Jones predicted the terrorist attack of 9-11, as well as Bin Laden being blamed for it. How many people with a doctorate, a masters degree and other high academic credentials predicted something so incredibly well? What degree do you have? Show me yours, and I will show you mine.
"Nor is Alex Jones - what degree does he hold?"
#93. To: Ferret Mike (#92)
On a July 5, 2001 television broadcast, Alex Jones predicted the terrorist attack of 9-11, as well as Bin Laden being blamed for it.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#94. To: Destro (#0)
I think one of the interesting stories here is the media attention - what happened at VT is very sad, but while it's screamed in headlines, in tiny print we see that 187 iraqis were killed in a single day by bombs, and the AJ is still lying, and bush is still supporting him and the magical surge. I don't personally believe it was a govt op, but I believe in the aftermath it's being used as a distraction. and the ADD american public has once again forgotten everything they thought was a big issue only yesterday.
#95. To: Paul Revere (#85)
What a rant! I love it! LOL.
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#96. To: bluedogtxn (#7)
Good line.
"Anti-Government paranoia is a good survival trait when you live in a decidership."
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#97. To: kiki (#94)
Always good to remind us of this.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
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