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Title: FREE REPUBLIC: Summation of Virginia Tech Killer's Ties To Islam
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819901/posts
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: Dangus
Post Date: 2007-04-19 11:57:00 by Mind_Virus
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Summation of Virginia Tech Killer's Ties To Islam Various links listed within ^ | 1/19/07 | Dangus Posted on 04/19/2007 4:47:03 AM PDT by dangus The following are ties Cho had to Islam. They are not offered as proof of anything, but merely to prompt consideration or disproof of any links. Cho’s father lived in Saudi Arabia as a young, single man. His sister works for a State Department contractor which oversees billions of dollars of aid for Iraq. Previously, she worked in Bangkok. (1) Both of Cho’s plays are about sexual abuse. (2) Bangkok is a city famous for its sex trade, which caters especially to Muslim businessmen. Cho’s rampage was on Holocaust Remembrance day. Although probably a happenstance, one of the professors he killed was a Jewish holocaust survivor. (3) Cho used the pseudonym Ismael Ax. Ismael (or, Ismail) is the son of Abraham who became the ancestor of all Arabs, as opposed to Israel who became ancestor of all Jews (4). Although there are many Western references to this person, and many literary characters named “Ishmael,” that spelling is Hebraic. “Ismael” or “Ismail” is uniquely Arabic. Ismaili is also a branch of Shiite Islam (5) In each play, Cho’s characters rant about the horrible decadence of American life. Targets include McDonalds, the Roman Catholic church, Michael Jackson and the NFL. (2). Cho is from Fairfax County, Virginia. This is also the home of 1 in 8 Virginians, but it is also the home of Yong Ki Kwon, a 29-year-old graduate of Virginia Tech, who, like Cho, is also from South Korea. Kwon was convicted of terrorism, one of the so-called “paintball Jihadis,” who practiced massacres with paintball guns. (6) (1) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819852/posts (2) http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/ (3) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819826/posts (4) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819689/posts (5) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1819044/posts
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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
Update: ABC News has more on this news, and the NYT is reporting at the top of the page that "Cho Sent Material to NBC Between First and Second Shootings, Network Tells Authorities." -Daily Kos Source: CNN WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain was heckled Wednesday night by a South Carolina town hall audience member when he reiterated his support for gun rights in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings. The Arizona Republican, who was asked to state his views on gun rights in light of the tragedy, said, "Our hearts go out to all of the victims and their families in that terrible tragedy and that crazy person. Words are not, I don't have a large enough vocabulary to express how saddening and terrible this tragedy is. So I won't try any further except they know that all Americans prayers are with them as they go through this terrible trauma. I do not believe that we should tamper with the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America." As the crowd applauded, a woman immediately yelled, "Do you think George Washington stood for automatic weapons?" McCain responded, "I think that George Washington stood for the right to bear arms which is their constitutional right." -Democratic Underground So on Daily Kos they blame Mental Illness; on Democratic Underground they blame Guns, on Alex Jones they blame Government Black Ops; and on Free Republic they blame the Moslems. Interesting.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Great - and smirk blames the victims for being in class.
Thank goodness this beast is off the street.
The cretinous FReepers forgot to mention the fact the the killer once ate kebabs at a Middle Eastern restaurant. That would really close the case! Good God, these people are pathetic. They should go back to watching Cops and stop playing G-men on the internet.
As is pointed out on Daily Kos, that doesn't exactly sound like something a Moslem would say.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
no it doesn't
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I knew they would find a way to tie him with Muslim terrorists somehow.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Thanks for the info. I am resolved to taking my time on this one. The Muslim angle seems to have some connection. Maybe he was simply outraged at American culture and wanted to express some degree of support for the Muslims in the world we are bombing or bullying. I don't believe there was any Muslim connection, however, other than the superficial one he may have been attempting to make.
they are
'tis. Couldn't possibly be the perp, could it? Naah. Then we couldn't devise a Solution.
"a motley rabble of saucy boys, Negroes, and mulattos, Irish teagues and outlandish jack tars...shouting and hazing and threatening life...whistling, screaming, and rending an Indian yell... throwing every species of rubbish they could pick up in the street."
Couldn't possibly be the perp, could it? Naah. Then we couldn't devise a Solution. Couldn't possibly have been just a complete and utter nut job... That would be WAYYY to simple. That's where I'm settling at, although I could be persuaded out of that position by evidence, certainly.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
As much as I normally despise McCain, I have to stand with him to defend the right of people to defend themselves.
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As much as I normally despise McCain, I have to stand with him to defend the right of people to defend themselves. While I don't disagree with McCain that Geo. Washington respected the RKBA, I don't think it was because it was "constitutional". I'm fairly confident he viewed it as a natural, God given right.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
"They were in the wrong place at the wrong time" BUMP! Chimp/SMIrk is an asshole!!!!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition As soon as I heard that yesterday it was obvious he was no Muslim. The FRaudsters are total morons.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Absolutely, and he would also likely say that RKBA is detailed in the Constitution simply to make the declaration that it is the job of the Government to protect that right.
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I agree. I think his rant included some language that suggests he feels the same outrage as some Muslims in the mideast must feel towards Americans, but it doesn't appear to suggest he's Muslim. I think that would have been made very, very clear if it were the case. That's not to say he might not have been influenced at some point by Muslim thought. He was in college and he's 23. Young men often read the Quran in that time frame because they read a variety of theocratic or philosophic texts. Muslims do consider Jesus a prophet, however. Unlike Jews, Muslims think highly of Jesus, they just don't think he was more than a prophet.
You and I disagree on some things but not this one. The second amendment gives us a key right. It means we lose a cluster of citizens to insanity once a year like this, but it's a trade off, the same one we make every time we put our car in gear and leave the house.
Actually we lose a much larger cluster to cars than to guns.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Unfortunately, McCain is being disingenuous and he knows it. The 2nd Amendment has been repudiated and deballed..made impotent for all practical purposes.. and he knows it. Gun restrictions of ANY kind are not what the 2nd amendment had in mind. He's throwing up red herrings for political purposes. If I need a license to protect my family, and I am restricted as to where I can take it, that is not Freedom.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Freedom isn't free." "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence." -- Far too many people have forgotten that in this country it would appear. Yes, we may disagree, but I'd be willing to bet we both want the same basic things. I'm also willing to bet we mainly disagree on how to get there. But, this is a discussion board! We should discuss the differences and why we come to different conclusions.
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I want Barry Goldwater to come back, and bring Scoop Jackson with him.
"Imminent Danger" by mcjoan Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 01:52:50 PM PDT CNN is currently reporting that a 2005 court order declared Cho Seung-Hui mentally ill and an imminent danger to himself. Obviously this will be developing story, with a lot of questions for the Viriginia legal system.
#2. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
So on Daily Kos they blame Mental Illness; on Democratic Underground they blame Guns, on Alex Jones they blame Government Black Ops; and on Free Republic they blame the Moslems.
#3. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
Kwon was convicted of terrorism, one of the so-called “paintball Jihadis,” who practiced massacres with paintball guns.
#4. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
(Edited)
#5. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
"I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people," Cho Seung Hui, 23, said during a rambling video message that he mailed to NBC News after killing his first two victims.
#6. To: aristeides (#5)
As is pointed out on Daily Kos, that doesn't exactly sound like something a Moslem would say.
#7. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
#8. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
(Edited)
#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#4)
Good God, these people are pathetic.
#10. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
Interesting.
#11. To: Tauzero (#10)
Interesting. 'tis.
#12. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
McCain responded, "I think that George Washington stood for the right to bear arms which is their constitutional right."
#13. To: mirage (#12)
McCain responded, "I think that George Washington stood for the right to bear arms which is their constitutional right."
#14. To: lodwick (#2)
smirk blames the victims for being in class.
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#15. To: aristeides (#5)
"I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people," Cho Seung Hui
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#16. To: bluedogtxn (#13)
While I don't disagree with McCain that Geo. Washington respected the RKBA, I don't think it was because it was "constitutional". I'm fairly confident he viewed it as a natural, God given right.
#17. To: IndieTX (#15)
As soon as I heard that yesterday it was obvious he was no Muslim.
#18. To: mirage (#12)
As much as I normally despise McCain, I have to stand with him to defend the right of people to defend themselves.
#19. To: Paul Revere (#18)
It means we lose a cluster of citizens to insanity once a year like this, but it's a trade off, the same one we make every time we put our car in gear and leave the house.
#20. To: Paul Revere (#18)
(Edited)
In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges
#21. To: Paul Revere (#18)
It means we lose a cluster of citizens to insanity once a year like this, but it's a trade off, the same one we make every time we put our car in gear and leave the house.
#22. To: mirage (#21)
Yes, we may disagree, but I'd be willing to bet we both want the same basic things.
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