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Published: Apr 20, 2007
Author: KJV
Post Date: 2007-04-20 14:35:03 by intotheabyss
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I was wondering about Mathew 5:18-19. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. When you read the 4Th commandment it says: KJV - 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. My question is: Why don't most churches worship on Saturday and why do most people feel compelled to use Sunday (the day of sun worshipers) as a day of worship and rest? When the bible seems to me to be very clear on this. In Jesus's own words: (one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven
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#83. To: intotheabyss (#81)
If Jesus returned today and did not announce himself, simply started teaching as he always did, he'd be ARRESTED at almost every Protestant church in America, as well as at every Catholic Church, and every Mormon church.
If JC showed up today, complete with the miracles, his contempt for self- righteous folks, his embracing of non-violence and his eschewing of material wealth, make no mistake. He would be crucified all over again.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
It probably would be that bad. My friend's and my conversation also covered the "second coming" and we both wondered if it would even happen due to the above degradation of his teachings.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain This, IMHO is the biggest achilles heel of our society.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain This, IMHO is the biggest achilles heel of our society. Well, like the poor, we will always have the wealthy with us. Inequity is human. For myself, I'm about tired of the uber-rich using their money to subvert our democracy. I'm starting to favor a Russian style revolution over an American style one.
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Amen! (This Amen may be all I need to do to end up on the red/blue? list for my encampment when the Feds push for their full agenda. You aren't a provocateur are you?) Oh well I don't really give a sh_t anymore. If we are that far gone, f--- it.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL! I have beaten you now, intotheabyss! Just as I defeated the SKYDRIFTER and Nolu_Chan! Bwahahahaha! None dare to challenge me! I am BeAChooser! ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL!
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Mad as a hatter I'd venture to say.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain Ah, but if I were a provocateur, wouldn't I pretend to be mad to lure you in and dispel your fear? Of course, I wouldn't tell you this if I were an agent provocateur, but then if I were a really smart agent provocateur I would know that I wouldn't tell you this, so I would tell you this just to lull you into a false sense of security about my not being an agent provocateur, but then if I then explained this whole thing I couldn't be an agent provocateur, but I would know that, so I might just explain the whole thing to put you off your guard... "Paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership." -bluedogtxn
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
I'm really the easter bunny.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain You're on my list, Mr. "bunny". ROTFLOL!
It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.
Great post ! I'm at lunch otherwise I'd go on and on about it ! Fortunately for everyone ... I gotta go.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: Dying of old age is about as exciting a prospect as suicide by cigarettes.
Thanks
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain Still is - for all of us, even if we don't want to recognize it as such. I'm not buying it. The Messiah SPECIFICALLY stated 3 days and 3 nights... The ONLY way to work that would have been if the crucifixion happened EARLY Friday - which would have been AFTER sundown Thursday and BEFORE sunrise.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Also from the link in my post above. The chart explains it.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
But only after they had water boarded him a couple of dozen times, and had a secret "confession" wherein he admitted he was in on 9-11.
How much more do we need to spell it out for certain people. It probably can't be done. Some folks would like to think that all they need to do is pray in Jesus' name, or do some good deeds like helping the little old lady down the street once in a while, and they'll get a "just reward". Course, they DIDN'T get that from Scripture (even if they CLAIM they did). Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I don't know what folks figure "doing the will of God" is, but for me I'm thinking it must be to keep His Commandments Statutes and Judgments. After all, we were told that 172 times in Scripture. You don't just tell folks to do something 172 times unless it's damned important to you that they do it. If the entire world practiced the 759 Commandments, Statutes and Judgments outlined in Scripture, there would be NO NEED whatsoever for ANY other laws PERIOD AND we would all live happier healthier lives with so much more liberty than we have now we wouldn't know how to act...
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
*turn the other cheeck *judge not that you be not judged Read futher instead of paraphrasing the quotes. You will notice that "Turn the other cheek" is for an insult, not a direct assualt. Which cheek was hit is a good hint. One might be able to walk off from an insult, but not from a direct attack. You have messed up the last quote so bad it is hard to even start. The person who is not to judge is the hypocrite. Someone had a good write up on that the other day, wish I had saved it, but alas I didn't. Needless to say, twisting the words around, people have made this into "judge not and you will not be judged" phrase. It simply isn't so. It does say you will be judged with basically the same measuring stick you use, but not that you will not be judged. All in all you have made works the means to heaven, and Jesus drilled the priest for just that mentality. There is nothing you can do that "works" you way to heaven if you don't go through the "blood" first.
Thanks, but I'm familiar with the text and what it means, and have been for some time. I do enjoy the efforts of the indoctrinated to explain their curious beliefs, however, so thanks for sharing. Here's your Jesus, the fictional hero with a dozen different names in the ancient world. Jesus vs Horus
LOL, I tried to register AbbyNormal as my name , but messed up and deleted my durn Yahoo mail message to register it. So I went to backup name number 3... So you can call me AbbyNormal or just AnyNameOriginal... either will work..
This tape also discusses how Jesus was an allegory, like several other ancient myths, the tale of the sun moving throughout the year. Even the quotes attributed to Jesus are found in documents predating him over 2000 years. Astrotheology & Shamanism
Thanks, I will put that in the same circular file I put my moldy left over food in, right before I throw it away. I don't put garbage in my head, I know what you put in often comes out of your mouth, but thanks for the offer.
You're worshipping an ancient allegory for the sun's annual trip across the skies. Most of the key teachings of Jesus were lifted verbatim from either the Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh or the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
I find it difficult to deny the prophecy and instruction provided by scripture; while the many variations of comparable religions / myths / belief systems and teachings are all too obvious to those that inquire deeper than the slop handed out at the 501(C)(3) churches. It's too easy and actually careless to attack others "religious" orientation, especially if it serves no other purpose than to exalt ones own intellect. One thing's for certain, we're all immersed in an evil situation that continues to worsen daily. It'd be unusual if people didn't seek spiritual solutions in times like these, and everyone doesn't learn at the same time or at the same rate of speed. Callous disregard for others beliefs isn't expedient, it more likely serves to inflate ones ego at the expense of unifying a populace that really needs to align against evil, now. Sometimes the most astute observations are made by the simplest of minds.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: Dying of old age is about as exciting a prospect as suicide by cigarettes.
Sometimes the most astute observations are made by the simplest of minds. If that's true, then you mind must be becoming simpler and simpler (because your posted observations are most astute, indeed). At the risk of derailing a humble, simple mind posting sublime nuggets of wisdom with the soul-blinding sin of pride, kudos, noone222.
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People who believe the Bible is the word of God seldom exhibit any spiritual qualities at all. They construct a paradigm with the help of some pseudo holy man, and live inside that paradigm, which is entirely fictitious. The Bible is a library of books written by men, compiled and edited by men, and used by men to control masses. Most of it was taken from earlier texts in the region. The seeker of knowledge doesn't stop with his preacher and what he says. I've noticed that those who insist others should respect their beliefs seldom respect the beliefs of others who do not worship their God. It's a one way street, like most of the things the religious claim they live and believe. No one will kill you faster than an insulted Christian, which really tells the whole story, doesn't it?
From my observations I have to agree with your post, all too true. Religion too often brings out some very nasty human characteristics, and the the more religious, the less spiritual indeed seems to be the case.
Yes!
It's a curious phenomenon. In our country, the majority believers - Christians - take for granted the rightness of their beliefs, and think tolerance means other should allow them to rule society, imposing their prayers in schools, in public events, and displaying their religious icons everywhere. No, those who have to be tolerant in our society are those who recognize Christendom for what it is and what it has become over 2000 years. Anyone who has studied ancient history and ancient texts knows that the beatitudes attributed to Jesus were around at least 2000 years before his birth, and appear in a number of texts, particularly the Epic of Gilgamesh. Horus, Krishna, Buddha - all the same fictional character as Jesus, all used to pass along a tale of the progression of the sun and the seasons through the year. Over time, morality lessons were woven into the stories, and that is why these heroes all possess the same history and espouse the same beliefs. God knows no religion. Religion is man's invention, to control the social agenda of those in power.
I've always thought religion was man's attempt to reach and understand God, and the various religions reflect the societies that come up with them. What bothers me about the bible is the fact that it has been altered so many times, especially in the early days when a lot of material was taken out. Then it was retranslated, altered again, yet people insist it is the word of God. I would be curious to read the form of the bible as it existed before around 325 AD.
It's not that bad. The original languages were used for translation. http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=727167 There are two points that need to be made: First, even though the Biblical canon was developed over hundreds of years, its basic form is recognizable by 150 AD. The following 200 years of development and refining deal with more peripheral books. Second, the early church did a pretty good job of historical criticism when it set the canon. Nothing in the modern canon was written after 130 AD, and most of the works are significantly older. There were a lot of books that claimed to be old, but the early church was able to distinguish those from true accounts of the 1st 100 years after Jesus.
"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Yes, it was about then the Nazification of Christianity began, as the STATE took over and guided the more than willing self appointed Bishops into a newly created religion, the Catholic church. They used a meat axe to carve out anything early Christians believed that the powers that be wanted gone. They labelled Mary Magdeline a whore, with no basis whatsoever, and eliminated her gospel, as well as all the gnostic gospels. They gutted early Christianity, and removed many of the good parts. They added much to make Christianity palatable to the Sun God worshippers, incorporating pagan rituals and beliefs not found anywhere in the Bible (Christmas, worship of Mary, etc.)
I'd like to be able to say you're the first to notice that I'm simple minded !
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: Dying of old age is about as exciting a prospect as suicide by cigarettes.
Well said.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain Not really true. In the last century there were over 100 million deaths attributed to atheists. Far in excess of what any religion has ever done.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain ping
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain Certainly Stalin and Mao killed their tens of millions last century, but both instances involved far more than religious belief or not. But those communist regimes were atheistic and evil. Perhaps I should say "no one in America will want to kill you faster than an insulted Christian."
I realize now you did not infer what I imagined, the first time I read your statement.
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain That one sure slipped my mind, a very good point!!
Yes, I should have carved out the godless commie bastards in China and USSR!
"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man...In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive." [Einstein]
It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism. -- Mark Twain No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain
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#84. To: intotheabyss (#82)
Hell, I'm convinced he would be shunned more by the so called Christians today than he was by the public at large 2000 years ago.
#85. To: Paul Revere (#83)
If Jesus returned today and did not announce himself, simply started teaching as he always did, he'd be ARRESTED at almost every Protestant church in America, as well as at every Catholic Church, and every Mormon church.
#86. To: bluedogtxn (#84)
his eschewing of material wealth,
#87. To: intotheabyss (#86)
his eschewing of material wealth,
#88. To: bluedogtxn (#87)
For myself, I'm about tired of the uber-rich using their money to subvert our democracy. I'm starting to favor a Russian style revolution over an American style one.
#89. To: intotheabyss (#88)
Amen! (This Amen may be all I need to do to end up on the red/blue? list for my encampment when the Feds push for their full agenda. You aren't a provocateur are you?)
#90. To: bluedogtxn (#89)
#91. To: intotheabyss (#90)
Mad as a hatter I'd venture to say.
#92. To: bluedogtxn (#91)
#93. To: intotheabyss (#92)
I'm really the easter bunny.
#94. To: intotheabyss (#79)
#95. To: noone222 (#94)
#96. To: robin (#75)
The Jewish day was measured from sun down to sun down.
The solution is simple when we learn that according to Jewish custom any part of a day, however small, is included as part of a full day.1 "Since the Jews reckoned part of a day as a full day, the “three days and three nights” could permit a Friday crucifixion.
#97. To: innieway (#96)
The solution is simple when we learn that according to Jewish custom any part of a day, however small, is included as part of a full day.1
#98. To: bluedogtxn (#84)
If JC showed up today, complete with the miracles, his contempt for self- righteous folks, his embracing of non-violence and his eschewing of material wealth, make no mistake. He would be crucified all over again.
#99. To: intotheabyss (#77)
You can also find several references to people being saved in Revelations based on their "faithfullness to the COMMANDMENTS".
#100. To: Paul Revere (#80)
I'm still waiting to meet the Christian that follows these:
#101. To: AnyNameOriginal (#100)
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#102. To: christine (#73)
hello, abbynormal, welcome to 4. ;)
#103. To: AnyNameOriginal (#100)
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#104. To: Paul Revere (#101)
Here's your Jesus, the fictional hero with a dozen different names
#105. To: AnyNameOriginal (#104)
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#106. To: Paul Revere (#105)
#107. To: noone222 (#106)
Callous disregard for others beliefs isn't expedient, it more likely serves to inflate ones ego at the expense of unifying a populace that really needs to align against evil, now.
#108. To: noone222 (#106)
#109. To: Paul Revere (#108)
#110. To: bluedogtxn (#84)
If JC showed up today, complete with the miracles, his contempt for self- righteous folks, his embracing of non-violence and his eschewing of material wealth, make no mistake. He would be crucified all over again.
#111. To: Diana (#109)
#112. To: Paul Revere (#111)
#113. To: Diana (#112)
#114. To: Diana (#112)
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#115. To: Arator (#107)
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#116. To: noone222 (#106)
we're all immersed in an evil situation that continues to worsen daily. It'd be unusual if people didn't seek spiritual solutions in times like these, and everyone doesn't learn at the same time or at the same rate of speed.
#117. To: Paul Revere (#108)
No one will kill you faster than an insulted Christian, which really tells the whole story, doesn't it?
#118. To: Diana (#117)
#119. To: intotheabyss (#117)
#120. To: Paul Revere (#119)
#121. To: intotheabyss, Paul Revere (#117)
In the last century there were over 100 million deaths attributed to atheists. Far in excess of what any religion has ever done.
#122. To: intotheabyss (#120)
#123. To: Paul Revere (#122)
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