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Title: Biblical Question
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Published: Apr 20, 2007
Author: KJV
Post Date: 2007-04-20 14:35:03 by intotheabyss
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Comments: 124

I was wondering about Mathew 5:18-19.

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When you read the 4Th commandment it says:

KJV - 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

My question is:

Why don't most churches worship on Saturday and why do most people feel compelled to use Sunday (the day of sun worshipers) as a day of worship and rest?

When the bible seems to me to be very clear on this. In Jesus's own words: (one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven

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#40. To: intotheabyss (#0)

WHO CHANGED THE SABBATH SATURDAY TO SUNDAY?

http://jbrooks2.tripod.com/WHO_CHANGED_THE_SABBATH_SATURDAY_TO_SUNDAY.html

The Jews, the REAL Jews, not the ZIONISTS, worship and recognize Saturday as the Sabbath.

Who are the lairs?

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-20   20:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Jews, the REAL Jews, not the ZIONISTS, worship and recognize Saturday as the Sabbath.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.

I'm glad to see some awake souls on this thread.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-22   19:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right.

Let's see what else the Catholic church pushes that has no scriptural basis:

1. Idolizing and worshipping Mary

2. Making and using graven images for worship

3. Showing alms before men

4. Public prayer

5. Child baptism

6. Sunday as day of worship

And it goes on and on ....

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-22   19:09:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The really sad thing is so many good meaning people buy into some of these issues.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-22   19:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The really sad thing is so many good meaning people buy into some of these issues.

Agreed.

I do not believe the Bible is the book most people think it is. Much of the Old Testament is stolen from other texts in the Egypt to Mesopotamian areas, and much of the New Testament is stolen from those same texts, or taken from Eastern allegories.

There are other mythical heroes who were presented as being very similar to Jesus, right down to the virgin birth and the resurrection.

If someone wishes to follow the teachings of Jesus, I think that is great. Real or not, his teachings are good guideposts.

I find discussions about whether God cares about Sunday or Saturday to be immensely comical. But if one is going to read the text and declare what is to be done based upon the text, it's clearly SATURDAY, not Sunday that Christians should stay home and not do any work or such.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-23   12:12:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But if one is going to read the text and declare what is to be done based upon the text, it's clearly SATURDAY, not Sunday that Christians should stay home and not do any work or such.

That's part of the reason I brought this up.

I listened to so many Christians use the bible to defend this point of that and claim that it is their guide. But on this issue (4th commandment) so many want to twist the text to fit their lifestyle when this issue is more spelled out then many of the other issues they use based on scripture.

Oh, there are many discrepancies:

Pious Fraud in Translation

Let's take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monotheistic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.

The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).

Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):

"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,

"In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth."

In the same chapter the word "elohim" (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the 'universe' in 6 days.

To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian 'fathers' don't bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads 'let us make man in our image':

Here are three examples of the Hebrew plural gods mentioned in Genesis: 1. "And- said elohim (gods), let-US-make man (adam) in-image-OUR, after-likeness-OUR" (1:26).

2. And when "adam" had eaten of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, "the Lord God" said, "Behold, the-man has become like one of US, to know good and evil" (3:27).

3. And when the Tower of Babel was being built: "The Lord [Heb. Yahveh] said ... Come, let US go down," etc.

Elohim

When speaking of the Hebrew deity, Yahveh, elohim, (gods) is used in the Hebrew texts, The plural elohim is used 2570 times. It is always falsely translated to the singular "God", thus falsely making us believe that this text was written at a time when the Hebrew people were monothestic, when it clearly is the case (written at least 2570 times, no less!) that they WERE NOT.

In the three Genesis verses above, there are three different designations of the Hebrew deity or deities: elohim, (gods), falsely translated "God":

Lord God (Heb. Yahveh-elohim); and Lord (Heb. Yahveh). Yahveh is the proper name of the Hebrew God, which, in English, is Jehovah.

Yahveh-elohim is a Hebrew "construct-form" which is translated to "Yahveh-of- the-gods." Invariably these personal names were falsely translated "Lord" and "Lord God," respectively, for purposes of pious fraud.

First Man, First Woman

There was no first man "Adam," according to the Hebrew text. The word adam in Hebrew is a common noun, meaning man in a generic sense and in Genesis 1:26, it states:

"And elohim (gods) said, Let us make adam (man)"; and so "elohim created ha- adam (the-man); ... male and female created he them" (1: 27).

In the second creation story, where man is first made alone:

"Yahveh formed ha-adam (the-man) out of the dust of ha-adamah-the ground" (2:7).

Man is called in Hebrew adam because he was formed out of adamah, the ground; just as in Latin man is called homo because he was formed from humus, the ground. Early Christian father Lactantius stated it as 'homo ex humo' ('man from the ground', or 'dust' as it commonly stated today).

The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogies from "in the beginning" to Father Abraham.

And this wasn't done by Christians, but rather by early Hebrew priests. Nonetheless, early Christians took this deception and used it for their own newly forged religion.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   12:23:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of my favorite themes that many Christians never absorb ...

I'm still waiting to meet the Christian that follows these:

*turn the other cheeck

*judge not that you be not judged

*do unto others as you would have them do unto you

*do not pray in public

*do not boast of your alms

*visit those in prison (99.99% of Christians are going to hell on this one!)

*clothe the naked

*feed the hungry

No, they're busy buying TV stations, building monstrous churches and generally wallowing in delusional self-righteousness.

Now watch all the "Christians" form a lynch mob. Not much has changed. Religion is the opiate of the masses, and they'll kill you for messing with their stash.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-23   12:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm still waiting to meet the Christian that follows these:

*turn the other cheeck

*judge not that you be not judged

Read futher instead of paraphrasing the quotes.

You will notice that "Turn the other cheek" is for an insult, not a direct assualt. Which cheek was hit is a good hint. One might be able to walk off from an insult, but not from a direct attack.

You have messed up the last quote so bad it is hard to even start. The person who is not to judge is the hypocrite. Someone had a good write up on that the other day, wish I had saved it, but alas I didn't. Needless to say, twisting the words around, people have made this into "judge not and you will not be judged" phrase. It simply isn't so. It does say you will be judged with basically the same measuring stick you use, but not that you will not be judged.

All in all you have made works the means to heaven, and Jesus drilled the priest for just that mentality. There is nothing you can do that "works" you way to heaven if you don't go through the "blood" first.

AnyNameOriginal  posted on  2007-04-25   1:59:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks, but I'm familiar with the text and what it means, and have been for some time. I do enjoy the efforts of the indoctrinated to explain their curious beliefs, however, so thanks for sharing.

Here's your Jesus, the fictional hero with a dozen different names in the ancient world.

Jesus vs Horus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQ-MYMAiE

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-25   2:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's your Jesus, the fictional hero with a dozen different names

Thanks, I will put that in the same circular file I put my moldy left over food in, right before I throw it away. I don't put garbage in my head, I know what you put in often comes out of your mouth, but thanks for the offer.

AnyNameOriginal  posted on  2007-04-25   2:14:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're worshipping an ancient allegory for the sun's annual trip across the skies. Most of the key teachings of Jesus were lifted verbatim from either the Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh or the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-25   2:22:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I find it difficult to deny the prophecy and instruction provided by scripture; while the many variations of comparable religions / myths / belief systems and teachings are all too obvious to those that inquire deeper than the slop handed out at the 501(C)(3) churches.

It's too easy and actually careless to attack others "religious" orientation, especially if it serves no other purpose than to exalt ones own intellect. One thing's for certain, we're all immersed in an evil situation that continues to worsen daily. It'd be unusual if people didn't seek spiritual solutions in times like these, and everyone doesn't learn at the same time or at the same rate of speed.

Callous disregard for others beliefs isn't expedient, it more likely serves to inflate ones ego at the expense of unifying a populace that really needs to align against evil, now.

Sometimes the most astute observations are made by the simplest of minds.

noone222  posted on  2007-04-25   5:13:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#107. To: noone222 (#106)

Callous disregard for others beliefs isn't expedient, it more likely serves to inflate ones ego at the expense of unifying a populace that really needs to align against evil, now.

Sometimes the most astute observations are made by the simplest of minds.

If that's true, then you mind must be becoming simpler and simpler (because your posted observations are most astute, indeed). At the risk of derailing a humble, simple mind posting sublime nuggets of wisdom with the soul-blinding sin of pride, kudos, noone222.

Arator  posted on  2007-04-25 08:50:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People who believe the Bible is the word of God seldom exhibit any spiritual qualities at all. They construct a paradigm with the help of some pseudo holy man, and live inside that paradigm, which is entirely fictitious.

The Bible is a library of books written by men, compiled and edited by men, and used by men to control masses. Most of it was taken from earlier texts in the region.

The seeker of knowledge doesn't stop with his preacher and what he says.

I've noticed that those who insist others should respect their beliefs seldom respect the beliefs of others who do not worship their God. It's a one way street, like most of the things the religious claim they live and believe. No one will kill you faster than an insulted Christian, which really tells the whole story, doesn't it?

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-25 10:15:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

we're all immersed in an evil situation that continues to worsen daily. It'd be unusual if people didn't seek spiritual solutions in times like these, and everyone doesn't learn at the same time or at the same rate of speed.

Well said.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-25 14:58:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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